My stockpiles are dry :( I hope something good comes up for monthly or regular bundle. I'd love to contribute as well after the years. Somehow have skipped the trains thus far.
Thanks for making it :) And bump of course
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you can always contribute though the month - even 0 CV giveaways count and are also welcome
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I think this is going to be a bit of a timing challenge with the advent calendar and then the gift box GAs going on.
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are they though i thought the gift boxes would have started on the 1st
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Last year cg started on the 3rd, it can still happen :)
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Thanks for the amazing giveaways, but...
Why Xmas? It's called CHRISTmas.
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Does it matter? Jesus Christ, Malcolm X, they both were PoC with high ideals that unfortunately a lot of their self-proclaimed worshippers don't actually follow.
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Well we don't call Thanksgiving 'Tygiving' or Independence Day 'Id Day' and it feels awkward not to mention the name of Jesus Christ whose birth we are actually celebrating.
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"The "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Christós (Greek: Χριστός), which became Christ in English. The suffix -mas is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass."
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Oh yes and the X (as a rotated cross which represents the cross of Jesus Christ) but it's still weak for an explanation.
It's been called Christmas for ~1990 years now, it wouldn't be too hard to keep it that way.
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Because that is a common abbreviation for Christmas. Others you just made up. Xmas has been around for ages.
I would understand if you don't like if you are a Christian.. but then again - Christmas hasn't been about religion.... well... for ages. It has been commercialized and celebrated by persons of different fates without any connection to religion. So in this regard I'd say you have more things to be cross then the abbreviation used :D
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Well yes, I (and many others) disagree with that. I don't celebrate events I have nothing to do with.
If we start replacing things wih 'X's it's going to further elevate (or rather sink) us onto a level that has already caused so much trouble to modern society.
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My point was - replacing a word with X in it is irrelevant and shouldn't really bother anyone. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas - btw you can check the history here for it. we are not suddenly changing it for some whatever reason)
As far as trouble in modern society - no idea what you are trying to say here. As I said - this holiday has long been about getting together with family and giving gifts, not about religion. So I really don't see why someone who is not Christian couldn't celebrate the commercialized Christmas (or call it Xmas or as its called in my country translated - winter holiday (that is how we translate Christmas btw, its not a different term. It references the same thing. As in - Christians go to church on winter holiday. You have a problem with us calling like that as well?)).
If anything this is good for society - we have turned holiday which separates fates faiths into something that is relevant to everyone. What does giving gifts to your loved ones and having a dinner together has anything to do with Christ and Christianity? No one is forcing you to go to church :) And no one is forcing Christians to not go to Church and remember ... Whatever they are remembering. I really wouldn't know as I am not religios.
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Just a tiny heads up: by "fates" you probably mean "faiths", like "beliefs", not like "destiny".
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Well for starters - it doesn't bother me, I simply find it strange to change the name of an event for no apparent reason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas)
I live in Hungary and I was pretty perplexed when I heard that in many western-european countries here in the EU banned the use of christian symbols in public (such as crucifix necklaces for TV presenters or public christmas trees) because - and it was the explanation - "it offends some people".
Since catholicism or christianity as a whole is built on love and friendship I can hardly believe that it offends anyone (maybe criminals, but not even them I guess). And this madness started in the late 2000s along with calling Christmas 'Xmas'. And it's also about the time when the problematic cancel-culture started - which I was referring to that causes so much trouble to modern society.
So don't get me wrong you can call Christmas anything you like and celebrate anything you like, just don't force it onto others and respect the fact that it HAS BEEN called for about 2000 years - CHRISTmas. And the reason you have a holiday, is because of Christmas, which you can call "Winter Holiday", but it's still because the majority of the people celebrate Christmas that time of the year.
That's all.
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Since catholicism or christianity as a whole is built on love and friendship
Yes. definitely. Much love, much friendship. Unless you are gay or of different faith. Then you will burn in hell.
I think in forward thinking society you should be free to practice what faith you want of course, but it has to be separated from government , education and public space. And that should apply to every religion. Remember that there are other faiths as well, and each one of them considers theirs to be the only true one. Then it comes down to whether we want to be inclusive or not. If we want to allow people to practice religion, lets not discriminate any. If we want to limit any religion - you have to limit all. As this should be positive thread I wont get into any of my personal views on the matter but just leave it on a higher level of abstraction so we can ponder the topic on our own time.
Hence the Christmas as well. Better to have it commercialized and to have this event as an actual event of love and friendship instead of something that separates our faiths as I said. As in - if I don't believe in religion, God or Christ then there is nothing to celebrate here. Or if you are a Muslim or a Jew. I think this should be something separated from stigma of religion and celebrated as time of giving gifts and enjoying winter.
Hence I see no point in "respecting" only Christian side of the holiday since the history of celebrating winter solstice is actually more to do with Christmas as we know it then with remembrance of Christ. At this point its just a name. It has not been cancelled but it has evolved to cover something way more then just religious holiday.
Also - your own article in wiki literally states "known as Xmas" right there. And it still represents the same thing. We think of the same concept essentially. As for cancel culture - I think you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. Since it "offends" Christianity because we remove Christ from here, you want people not to use a specific phrase. If anything - you are trying to cancel us using a word. Yet you speak of not understanding how religious symbols offend people.
My point being - Christmas these days has little to do with Christ. Hence there really shouldn't be any stigma to taking out Christ from the name. I hope we are not bloating the discussion with irrelevant stuff though :) Happy holidays either way Atisz. In no way I intend to be insensitive or aggressive.
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Unless you are gay or of different faith?
I think we were discussing catholicism/christianity, not islam :D
Seriously for all I know, being gay doesn't have anything to do with whether you are a good person or not.
Whether you CAN or CANNOT be a priest as a (vocal) gay person - you can't, because that would be against the standard values. You also can't be a priest if you are a woman and you can't be be the president of the US if you aren't a natural US born citizen and at least 35. But these are either laws or rules, renaming them won't really help.
If you try to separate Europe from its christian roots, you won't really succeed, because Europe is based on christianity and Roman law. I mean there are people who like to rewrite history, but it won't take you anywhere, except for into chaos. It doesn't mean you have to live by the Roman law (you DO have to respect your country's law though) and be a christian, BUT these are still core values - at least for us.
My question was: why does it bother you to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? No one said you had to, you can celebrate as you said, "love and friendship", but that's what we celebrate too. And because it's Christmas. That's how it's called.
If you remove The 'Christ' part from the word 'Christmas' and replace it with an 'X' you are cancelling something first and not me by criticizing you for doing so. So your backfire that I am the one trying to cancel you seems a bit false here.
And no I still don't understand why religious symbols could offend people (remember Europe - christianity), people who come here should have a minimal amount of respect.
Also if you happen to follow the World Cup in Qatar then surely you understand, that you can't run around with a rainbow armband. You are not at home and you should respect the traditions and culture of Qatar (another issue that they don't really respect the rights of women and used minimal wage - almost forced - labour to build the stadiums for example, not to mention LGBTQXY rights).
So saying 'Xmas' isn't really a stigma or a crime: it's just something that's not understandable - changing an almost 2000 year old tradition so that it doesn't "offend some people"? Come on.
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people who come here should have a minimal amount of respect.
All I'm going to say, for this not to spiral out of control, is I fully agree with you in this part of your comment. For context I am European myself, come from Christian family. BUT I am agnostic myself. So in my case I'm in general opposed any organized religion. so neither am I trying to change history, facts or show disrespect.
I'm only saying that Christmas is not solely Christian holiday. And just because it has Christ in the name doesn't mean Christianity should take ownership and direct how to call or what to do on the holiday. Since its influenced by paganism and other cultures as well.. And highly commercialized by modern day culture.
Btw - how is it called in Hungarian then? Do you really have connection with Christ in the name? Feels like its just English being English.
All in all I suppose we can just agree to disagree here. I will not drop my point of view that in al its sense its regular holiday that everyone celebrates in their own way. Christians remember Christ, non-Christians has it as gifting season and has no connection to Christ. Doesn't mean it bothers me what Christians do on the holiday. What bothers me is that we cant let go of the history - while we should respect and never forget our roots, we also have to go along with the times. And modern they Christmas is holiday with Santa Claus and gifts and cola. Hence calling it Xmas is just another meaningless way to call it without any sub meaning (which btw it might have had years ago when religion was way more widespread)
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how is it called in Hungarian then?
Karácsony / Jézus Krisztus
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A lot of the traditions you most probably practice during this time of year are younger than the usage of the X. Check the article ChrisKutcher linked and this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_traditions.
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Yet they are all related to Jesus Christ - hence it is called 'Christmas' ;)
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Oh yeah... like that Coca Cola Santa Claus and that pagan evergreen tree and all the other stuff people came up with over the centuries to try to keep Xianity relevant and/or profit off of it. I mean who doesn't remember all the evergreen trees from Bethlehem to Jerusalem and Jesus' Coke addiction, right? Ah, those were the days...
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Nah, that's different. Who on Earth would drink cold cola in the Winter (OK, except for people living in the Southern Hemisphere)?
They had to come up with something and found Santa Claus (not sure how it affects their sales though).
(Not so) strange that during the Winter you can also notice a huge increase in beer commercials, but for some reason they can advertise without the use of Santa Claus :)
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Lol, nice try but no, it was the company who took the appearance of Santa Claus/Mikulás - you didn't really think they invented him, did you? :D
Lyman Frank Baum's The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus already used the same (or very close) imagery which depicted Santa Claus as the one we use today, which comes from a bishop's gown and the mitre, the headdress :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Adventures_of_Santa_Claus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas_(European_folklore)
And no, it's not a pagan tree. You could say it's built on pagan traditions, but if it's decorated it's called a Christmas Tree. Religion meets tradition, you know? ;)
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You might want to go to an ophthalmologist and let them check you for dyschromatopsia.
Religion meets tradition
Oh, you mean like the hundreds if not a thousand years old tradition of calling it Xmas?
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Oh, you mean like the hundreds if not a thousand years old tradition of calling it Xmas?
Make that 30 (thirty)... years, not meters :D
At least I'm glad that you are pro-tradition, even if you are against religion. I mean you could be against both :D
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas#History
And I don't care for tradition or religion - neither yours nor anyone's. You can call it what you want and you can play dress-up and cosplay your superheroes as much as you want. I'm not kink-shaming. Just don't force it onto others. Oh wait... I think I've read that one before just a few minutes ago, right? Yet here you are disobeying the Golden Rule yourself.
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There's nothing better than when an unbeliever lectures you about how you should live... according to rules they have nothing to do with... didn't you just mention that you didn't care about my religion? :)
Excuse me for saying but you DO care about traditions apparently, since you are trying to prove how old the term 'Xmas' is (which is fine, I admit I didn't know it had 19th century roots in the US).But let's not fool ourselves here: the people who tend to use it because of how 'sensitive' and easily 'offended' they are, seem to have been using it no longer than 30 years or probably less even, at least here in Europe.
And I don't consider it a "blasphemy", I was just wondering what was so offensive in the word 'Christmas' and to whom.
And we are back at my OP...
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A hypocrite, how deeply unsurprising. You are boring.
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Well, I think you are the one who is a hypocrite, because you try to constrain me within bounds, meanwhile you show no respect towards any religion or tradition. This is a typical conservative-left-liberal debate, where the conservative participant is in a constant defending position, since they have values and traditions.
I think it's high time to end this. If you were a classic liberal we could have had a fruitful converstaion (but then you would probably not celebrate either Christmas or Xmas).
Still I think I should thank you for at least allowing me to cosplay, which isn't something I do, but I might give it a thought after this.
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It's called CHRISTmas.
don't force it onto others
Your words, hypocrite.
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I never cared if it is X-mas or Christmas but after this fantastic conversation I will exclusively call it X-mas or even Saturnalia.
Not because of the religious perspective though. I hope that's clear.
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I couldn't care less. I asked a simple question, so far 3 people failed to answer :)
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You did get your answer. Multiple times. You just didn't like it.
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I don't think I did... would you please be so kind and tell me what the answer was?
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"Why Xmas?"
You even got a wiki link with the answer:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
But you just wanted to argue.
Glad I could help btw.
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That's not an answer to my question, Those links just show some plausible excuses for people who are offended (?) by the word Christ. My question was: why are they afraid of the word 'Christmas'?
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No. Your question was "Why Xmas?".
And you couldn't let go until everyone agreed your way or left the Ccnvo.. Even now you label them "afraid" and "offended". You can't just handle that anyone can decide for themselves how they want to use it.
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He is also the only one being offended here (by the X). They're always projecting. Always. ^^
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Oh yes, please cancel me. Not on twitter though, you won't succeed :D
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Do you think they speak Greek at home? Or are you saying they are experts of Latin derived Old English?
Who knows, they might be :D
However my guess would be (watch out, it's gonna be a wild one) that they are just... well ask yourself and/or ask them.
Seriously though, we both know the answer.
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might be but i didn't use one but your welcome to use the code and just change the links
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Xmas community thread train 2 - happy holidays - more carts needed or may need to close :(
This thread title is such a turn off. I mean, who wants to be coerced into generosity...??
And that gleeful, joy spreading smily at the end. Just lovely, it so perfectly fits the Xmas mood. /s
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Just wanna say thanks to everyone who's doing giveaways.
This is the first year I've had to curb my spending, so it's unlikely I'll be able to do any giveaways, unless I find some leftovers lying around.
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That's one small bump for man. One giant bump for mankind.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/IIini/community-xmas-train-feel-free-to-join-we-need-more-giveaways-to-be-able-to-continue-thanks - last years one
If you can't add a train then a bump will be a big help
i have decided to start a second year of my community train - which was super successful last year (nearly three hundred giveaway carts)
the rules are the same as last year:
invite only
level 3 max (so more people can enter)
number the cart and link it to the last one and next one
NEW RULE - if you are black listed by someone and can't see the next cart post here and someone will reply with the next persons link
here is the code for the giveaway
[number of wagon]
<<< [Previous]("previous link") ||| BUMP ||| [Next]("next link") >>>
"optional text by creator"
as last year anything is allowed to be given away in this train including:
0 CV
DLC
Same as other carts
unbundled and many times bundles
ANYTHING
i will be having the first cart and the giveaway MUST end on the 31 December so do NOT make giveaways until the 1st December
Thanks and all is welcome (if you can't add a cart a bump here is great also)
any questions or suggestions feel free to comment below
it starts here with a brand new un bundled Christmas themed game - https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/NyLHR/
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