I bought a 4090 for 1400 bucks which is all I need for 4K gaming@120 Hz for the moment. I'm not very confident the 5080 will surpass the 4090 in performance and the 5090 is way too expensive just for gaming. Besides, post release there will be half a year of crickets when scalpers bought up most of the cards from initial release.
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I did not analysed specifications but I am almost sure it will not surpass. 5080 will be like half of 5090...
I dont like how Nvidia set prices and how big difference is between 5090 and rest (it ids even bigger then 4090 vs 4080 which was already huge). I also dont like that there will be only 3 models with 16GB which in my opinion is minimum amount of memory to use for a longer time. I am still on 3080 (I knew 10GB will be too low but there was crypto crazy time and I was able to buy it almost with MSRP price) and I think I will stay and I will wait for next generation (6xxx) ;).
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That's a great price considering used 4090's often go for $1800+ these days.
I bought a 4090 (Founders Edition) too a little over a year ago just to have something that would last a while. Been extremely happy with it, the thing is built like a tank. See no good reason to upgrade to anything faster atm, especially not at the (insane) rumored prices of the 5000 series.
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oh boy more silly politics garbage, especially from people that don't even live where they are directing their drama.
Maybe I should waste my time making posts about the French government collapsing or how Germany's president dissolved parliament.
My opinion? These were overpriced to begin with, what does a few hundred bucks matter to anyone actually buying them?
I'd be more concerned about how it looks like we are heading for another world war than what the latest graphics card costs. I'm not sure nuclear deterrents are going to hold out much longer. cheers
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I think drone warfare and policing on a global scale is a lot more likely atp then one where nuclear takes center stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
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all I know is tensions are super high. Maybe a lot of the world wasn't overly worried with Russia going after Ukraine or North Korea being typical nutjobs but I think everyone should be paying attention to China. I mean do we just let them invade Taiwan over stuff that happened over 70 years ago? All 3 are allies so any open hostility will pretty much mean a third world war. I don't think anyone is bluffing anymore, I think everyone is genuinely prepared. And with Trump in office it's a powder keg all around. But people are worried about a 20% markup on graphics cards.
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I swear these things are selling on FOMO and hype alone at this point, as actual products with a practical use they no longer make any sense.
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No. 5060 will have 8gb, Ti will 16gb. No news about the price, but it will be around 350-400 usd
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B580 its then.... So unfortunate Nvidia doesn't care about us common folks... Another option is 3060 for me then.
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Tariffs can go away, Bitcoin and AI will not.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/us-government-extends-tariff-on-graphics-cards-and-motherboards-for-another-year
https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-wont-impose-tariffs-on-graphics-cards-from-china-for-another-year
Cards and etc. exempt from Tariffs until May 31, 2025, according to the articles.
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The American tariffs on Chinese goods are not official yet as Biden is still in office and Trump can still not decide to pass any tariffs at all. Instead of future political decisions affecting computer hardware prices for now, focus on the current positions the three popular GPU manufacturers (Nvidia, AMD, and Intel) for the consumer side of things.
For Nvidia, the business entity understands their higher-end graphics cards are unbeatable in what they offer. Notably, their DLSS and RTX software are carrying the Nvidia brand since the release of the RTX 20-cards in 2019. AMD, while having their own upscaling software named FSR, still lacks a GPU that can compete with Nvidia for ray tracing although rumor goes the RX 8000 series will finally have proper ray-tracing capability. Also, in September 2024, Jack Huynh who is Vice President of AMD's Computing and Graphics Business Group has declared AMD will focus more on the mid-range scale of GPUs in the next generation and not focus on the top-end/flagship range where Nvidia is competitive at, so AMD can gain more market share (excerpt below). Lastly in regards to Intel, their release of the Arc Battlemage B580 is confined to the low-end range of GPU performers with reviews from this month (December 2024) comparing the Battlemage to Nvidia's RTX 4060 (Ti). Intel is still a new GPU competitor without a premium flagship graphics card yet. Battlemage B580 is priced low at 250 USD; the price to performance for a low-end card has been receptively positive from reviewers which seemingly Intel is selling at a loss to have the Arc brand out in the consumer market.
To that end, I believe jumping to political conclusions is too early right now because the United States needs at least one more month for the presidency to transfer over from one person to another, then at least another month for any tariffs to be signed off to have any economic effect given the slow rate of the United States federal government. However, looking at the current statuses of Nvidia, AMD, and Intel with the companies' market shares in the graphics card business does show why the prices of their graphics cards are the way they are.
Tom's Hardware [TH], Paul Alcorn: There's been a lot of anxiety in the PC enthusiast community that, with this massive amount of focus on the data center that AMD has created and your success, there will be less of a focus on gaming. There have even been repeated rumors from multiple different sources that AMD may not be as committed to the high end of the enthusiast GPU market, that it may come down more to the mid-range, and maybe not even have flagship SKUs to take on Nvidia's top-of-stack model. Are you guys committed to competing at the top of the stack with Nvidia?
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Jack Huynh [JH]: I’m looking at scale, and AMD is in a different place right now. We have this debate quite a bit at AMD, right? So the question I ask is, the PlayStation 5, do you think that’s hurting us? It’s $499. So, I ask, is it fun to go King of the Hill? Again, I'm looking for scale. Because when we get scale, then I bring developers with us.
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So, my number one priority right now is to build scale, to get us to 40 to 50 percent of the market faster. Do I want to go after 10% of the TAM [Total Addressable Market] or 80%? I’m an 80% kind of guy because I don’t want AMD to be the company that only people who can afford Porsches and Ferraris can buy. We want to build gaming systems for millions of users.
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Yes, we will have great, great, great products. But we tried that strategy [King of the Hill] — it hasn't really grown. ATI has tried this King of the Hill strategy, and the market share has kind of been...the market share. I want to build the best products at the right system price point. So, think about price point-wise; we’ll have leadership.
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TH: Price point-wise, you have leadership, but you won't go after the flagship market?
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JH: One day, we may. But my priority right now is to build scale for AMD. Because without scale right now, I can't get the developers. If I tell developers, ‘I’m just going for 10 percent of the market share,’ they just say, ‘Jack, I wish you well, but we have to go with Nvidia.’ So, I have to show them a plan that says, 'Hey, we can get to 40% market share with this strategy.' Then they say, 'I’m with you now, Jack. Now I’ll optimize on AMD.' Once we get that, then we can go after the top.
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Although there is a real chance for a delay in the transition of power due to the issues with the Speaker vote and the Trump team's inability to actually file the transition paperwork in a timely manner, we still only have less than a month if things go the way the system typically dictates, and I really doubt the new government will waste any time in enacting tariffs.
However, I think another point is that nobody really needs a 50series, or even top end 40 series card unless they're making anime, films and such. Actual gaming though, it is unnecessary at this moment.
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Nobody needs a 50 series GPU, but there is a want for them such as myself who took a chance with AMD after purchasing a RX 6900XT in 2022 and I am not satisfied with the software offering from their Adrenalin drivers. I found to be using Intel's XeSS upscaling as much as FSR in games at the moment.
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I think the main point is people can easily avoid the price gouging if they so desire. And it would probably send a strong message to NVIDIA. Hopefully, the 40 series will see a significant price drop when the 50 series releases.
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Well, I hope AMD reconsidered not to compete at the high end.....
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They can't afford the R&D budget necessary to compete, their cards simply don't sell well enough to take the risk. Nvidia's R&D budget for GPU's is more then AMD's budget for both GPU's and CPU's combined. AMD could get back in the running if they can figure out how to build GPU's with chiplet technology to compete with Nvidias monolithic designs, but it's hard to say when/if they'll be able to pull that off.
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I believe they will eventually. If the gloomy predictions of prices going up for nvidia come through, probably will and dont stop AMD will start to see growth and a increase in market share without trying- the signal to invest more.
Basically even if AMD cant compete on the highest lvl Nvidia will make then competitive with prices this crazy. Doesnt matter if 50 or 70 down the line do raytracing 3 times better or whatever- at those prices waaay more customers will be glad to play with raytracing off or less horsepower in a way they can afford.
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I'm sorry so many people globally are equally dumb. That type of vote result is happening all over the world.
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the power of massive amounts of $$$ held by the least amount of people. the divide is worse than its ever been in human history
https://youtu.be/8XxBHV5KquE
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hahaha
Agreed
Wanna hear something which I never knew was a thing? I know someone who literally admitted to me in private that her husband is voting (i.e. has voted, because that convo was a few months ago) for T because he is afraid of violence against him if he votes otherwise. When I suggested he just abstains, she changed the subject.
Backstory: Her brother-in-law (hubby's brother) is violent and sent threatening text messages to him, either send proof you voted for T or I'll beat you. Husband and wife are in their 30s, so I have a very hard time understanding why they're acting like scared children instead of standing up for themselves.
Florida people. ugh
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That's crazy and sad but I believe it. Trump has created a new cult in this country. I just didn't realize how many idiots would fall for it. I mean, I could understand if Trump was this highly intelligent, rational, charismatic, charming, resourceful person. People can be fooled by that. But he's none of those things. He's a complete moron and repeatedly failed businessman who acts like an asshole to everyone and who can barely speak at a 5th grade level yet half the country voted for him, again. This country's really in trouble.
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It's not that most people wanted Trump, it's mostly just that they believed even less in Kamila.
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True and the sad thing it's not only the US.
Rant ahead. Feel free to skip.
Younger adults elsewhere (which I had the unpleasant experience of chatting with the last few days) are really influenced by sensationalist, openly-racist propaganda on YT and use it as 'evidence' whenever their worldview of hatred is challenged.
I almost never engage online but what I saw (hatred towards certain groups and blaming them for economic failures) was too much that I spent hours patiently and politely shrugging off insults and providing statistics from reputable websites and world-renowned organizations refuting their racist claims. It was nice to see others from all over also tackle the lies from other angles as well.
The racists never respond to actual proof with anything other than whataboutisms and insults. It's pathetic.
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I heard something similar, that a lot of younger people like Trump because he acts like an asshole to everyone and gets away with it.
It's good of you to try and change people's minds but people who choose not to accept truth and facts, like Trump supporters, can't be helped. That's why they're like a cult. But cults are usually run by someone who's halfway intelligent and good at communicating so they can effectively con others.
That's why it's baffling that an obvious dullard like Trump can fool them. When he starts talking you immediately see how stupid and morally bankrupt he is. So his supporters must be even dumber which is really scary.
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Haha people are dumb worldwide, but in the USA we got capitalism and that means they also get to be as greedy as they want to be with no limits. Then these brands will do their best to shut down others trying to enter the field, and maintain their monopoly, and then the people have no choice but to go with something or skip entirely. Pair that up with the US gov employeees being bribed by rich bastards to constantly tell you what you can and can't do with your device(like repair for instance or warranty), and they have basically full control of the market and no one can stop them. We get what we deserve since we wanted this.
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have a 3080.. i've had my moneys worth for sure in the last 4 years. maybe ill grab a 4090 when prices come down to clear stock after 5000 series comes out.
have to admit its pretty laughable that a new 4090 surpasses the cost of my entire previous build including the 3080... 5000 series being even more expensive is hilarious. nvidia doesnt care, for anyone that doesn't invest in their flagship cards, they still clean up with their mid-tier, which are priced at the same level as their highest tier used to cost.
basically both nvidia and amd make their cash in the mid-tier graphics card market, pushing underperforming crap because thats all most will opt for when they see the rort that's become of the high end. nvidia has locked off that top tier, and everyones fucked.
its ok. intel will save us :D
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i need to upgrade my gtx 970 (thanks, forced software obsolescence), and i refuse to pay more than what i paid for it initially (~300€). even though i'll be going AMD and it seems way more accessible that way, i'll happily stick with what i have and abandon gaming altogether if i can't afford it.
nvidia only ever cared about linux because valve convinced them it'd turn a profit for them, so as far as i'm concerned, the sooner they die a painful death, the better.
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I'm not sure about in your country, but at least in the USA used GPU's from the previous generation are very cheap atm. I've seen used Geforce 3060 12GB cards go for as low as $120.
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lowest i can find for the 3060 12GB is 200€, but since i'm on linux, i would very much prefer AMD as i can't trust nvidia any more on the drivers front.
plus, the vram problem... what everyone's saying right now is that soon enough 16GB will be the minimum spec for VRAM, and i don't wanna have to buy another gpu for at least another 10 years
right now i'm just waiting for amd to drop their new gpu's so i can hopefully be lucky enough to find a used rx 7600 16GB
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10 years ? Sorry, not gonna happen. Plus, without repasting, changing pads, cleaning dust I'm think none of gpus will survive 10 years. Idk if it will with mentioned maintenance.
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my gtx 970 is 9 years old. i've repasted it and i do regular maintenance on my system. it's working and will continue to work, and the only thing threatening it from working is software support.
but for a more extreme example, i still have my old system from when i was a child, complete with a REALLY old 7800 GT. for reference, it's from 2005. although it's painfully slow, it still works. and i never did maintenance to it to the extent i do to my current system.
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Crying about the top config gpu's prices is useless. Most people still play 1080p. So upgrading to 2k is still a big leap for most and the cost there is more manageable. For those who can pay to play on a top config, a mere 1-200 USD plus is not a big deal. The bigger question is how much the mid-level card costs and how their test will compare to their 4000 series counterparts. But the used 4000 series' cost after the release of the next-gen card will be more friendly.
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These prices are insane. I will ride my 2080 until it can no longer play the games I want to play. Thankfully, I play mostly indies, and the non-indie titles I've wanted to play so far seem to be not too demanding.
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Lmao I built a whole 7900 xt setup for $1300 like a month ago for someone, why in the heck would I ever pay 2x that on just one card, when there isn't a single reason to get it for.
I'm still rolling a 1080 and it works more than well. It shows nvidia got to their heads with someone else making AI on their architecture, but there's no reason to go nvidia anymore because AMD can now do more than well. I guess if you're a desperate 1% person you'll buy nvidia just for the hype and to feel like you got that 1% because you don't know where else to donate your money to. But to anyone with a single braincell AMD will be the way.
Also if you're gonna get a 5090, you'll also have to get compatible parts to not bottleneck it, and simply put by the time you're done with the pc, you could build 3 others for the same price you'd build one with a 5090 and both paths would last you a good 10 years but one lets you create 2 extra setups you could literally just give away or something.
I remember nvidia used to make cards specifically for enterprises. These should be taken off the market and put for that imo, cause there's no need for them on the market for anyone. Then they should return to making consumer cards.
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Can b580 Intel play Direct x 9 , 10 and 11 games? Play Dolphin and other emulators ? I am really confused about this card. If not then 3060 is another option...
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Intel Arc GPUs natively support DX12 and Vulkan while use a translation layer named DXVK to allow DX9/10/11 games to function as if they are Vulkan-based games instead. Therefore, there is a possibility a game using DX9/10/11 will run poorly on an Intel GPU but that mostly relates to small indie titles. For emulation, any emulated games that is not Xbox/Xbox 360 exclusive seems to work fine because Xbox/Xbox 360 games depend on older DX# APIs.
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DXVK works automatically? Or do we have to download anything?
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You should not have to do anything as the game developers are supposed to make the game compatible with Intel Arc GPUs. Also, I should be more clear that DXVK is useful for Linux users rather than Windows users. But if you do use Linux, the instructions are found here: https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk
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Looks like my 1060 will continue to fight for a few more years
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2035: Nvidia 10000 TI 10000 euro.
New hardware (printers, cd rom drives) started high and went down eventually, this is the other way around.
Companies are just full of greed these days.
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5090: 2600 USD, most likely incl. VAT
That was about the price of my last computer. Bit more, actually. Including some extra sugar like 32" 4K monitor and other stuff my gf told me to get.
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Considering how rare I play new games, I'll abstain from getting a new generation of GPU just for a few games.
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Nevermind the fact that these products are exempt from tariffs, that the threatened additions haven't been laid down on paper yet, or that the Biden-Harris regime could easily have reversed tariffs imposed during Trump's first term and did the opposite. Nevermind the fact that the AI gold rush and tulip, I mean crypto mania, and lack of competition enable Nvidia to cripple its consumer-grade cards and stretch its pricing for maximum profit in a trend that started with the 4000 series. Gotta pull out the scapegoat whenever we want to bitch about something we don't understand.
Economics aside, you can switch teams, buy second-hand or last-gen. Nvidia won't stay dominant in gaming for long with those prices, and they probably don't give a shit because they'll still make bank with people who need CUDA.
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you're right about all those points, but just to mention that two things - seemingly opposite but not really - can be bad at the same time
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Yesterday the first prices appeared online. Those prices are not leaks per se, they are also not educated guesses, they are rumoured prices based on available materials to the sources (one leaker from China, one leaker from Australia).
5090: 2600 USD, most likely incl. VAT
5080: 1370 USD, most likely incl. VAT
I just want to add something that is missing in most shitstorms those prices created in corresponding online forums:
Donald Trump and his tarrifs.
The expected MSRP for the 5090 was somewhere at or slightly lower than 1999 USD. This is excluding VAT, as is typical for US prices. Still those prices above are higher than expected.
Why?
Well, Trump's tariff proposal includes a 60% tariff on imports from China. Most of NVIDIA's cards are produced in China. Those tarrifs have to be added on NVIDIAs already greedy price (Isn't it nice when you don't have any competition?) and this is why we see prices significantly higher than we were expecting.
They will want to have the same price everywhere in the world, so the cards in the EU - without any extra tarrifs for imports from China, mind you - will have the same price, but with shipping costs added on top. So as someone from the EU, we might expect a MSRP including VAT of 2800-3000 Euros for the 5090.
So don't direct 100% of your anger to NGREEDIA (although it is well deserved), direct some percentages to Trump, too.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-geforce-rtx-5080-pricing-surfaces-online/
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090-5080-5070ti-and-5070-to-launch-in-q1-rtx-5070-expected-to-feature-6400-cores
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