No AMD chip, right now, can stand up to the i5-3570k or the i5-2500k. With that said, you would have trouble getting them in that price range, unless you hit a sale. Still, they would offer up much better performance and future upgrading. AMD chips just do not do well in games. Still though, the less money you have to spend, the less of a difference it makes. Eventually your CPU won't make any real difference, in that price range. The more you spend, the better the CPU required to get the best out of graphics and memory.
Here are a couple of posts from Tom's, since you mentioned you were looking at them.
This might be the post you were referring to.
One final thought. Pay no attention to clock speeds. The AMD chips really are nowhere near close, unless you are folding or something like that. For gaming, Intel wins and it usually isn't as close as some sites/people might claim. Once again, at that price range, it makes less of a difference.
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Really? AMD FX 8350 stands up (beats it even) to the 3570k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc
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You are right. Two videos from some random dude, that looks like he belongs behind a counter at Blockbuster (Arguing over the better trilogy), have convinced me of your argument.
I'm going to rip out my overclocked i5-3570k and motherboard right now, then have an AMD combo overnighted.
Sigh...
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Not at all. i3 are bland crap and should never be used in a gaming PC.
see cpubenchmark.net for price/value comparisons and you'll find a nice range of AMD CPUs that do their work for a reasonable price. Intel is just blatantly overpriced, most of their CPUs are utter crap.
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Intel beats AMD at every price range except for AMD FX-4100 vs Intel Core i3-3220, AMD ties Intel; However the FX-4100 vs i3-3220 price range is irrelavent because its better to buy an Intel Pentium or Intel quad. Also Intel's Haswell processors are comming in Q2 2013 and are based on new architecture, not a die strink like ivy bridge was.
For AMD's FX 8 core cpu vs Intel's core i5 or core i7 4 core cpu, AMD's 8 core, high end FX processors are rubbish, the low end FX-4100 is okay for the price. First, most of the new games only fully utilize 3 cores, except GTA IV and Borderlands 2, to a lesser extent. Second, the FX processors are not energy efficient. Third, Intel's core i5 and core i7 are better in games, the FX bottlenecks in Metro 2033 and Skyrim.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-core-i7-3770k-gaming-bottleneck,3407-3.html
However in the future, about the year 2020, games will fully utilize 8 core and FX may be better. Also Playstation 4 and Xbox 720 are rumored to have 8 core AMD cpus so console port games may become better optimized for AMD.
For graphics AMD or Nvidia doesn't matter. However if you get an AMD cpu you should get an AMD gpu.
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For that price range id get an intel core i5-3570k no exceptions. And at least an AMD HD 7850
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Hi there,
here is just an example config for you.
I've built it on aria.co.uk as I'm not living in UK, but to give you a reference:
1 x INTEL Core I5-3570K 172.20
1 x GIGABYTE GA-Z77-DS3H 71.72
1 x 8GB (2x4GB) Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 41.99
1 x VTX3D X-Edition Radeon HD 7870 OC 168.74
1 x 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 70.74
1 x Corsair Carbide 200R Midi Tower 49.98
1 x Thermalright TRUE Spirit 90 21.57
1 x Pioneer DVR-S20LBK 17.09
Summary 614.03
optional Boot SSD Crucial m4 64GB +58.20 = 672.23
you could also save some more money, but it depends on needing OC capability or not.
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Hmm yeah the Seagates aren't as loud as they used to be.
If they are still loud a firmware update should lower the noise level.
I just selected a harddrive which is reliable and affordable and I know there are some optimization points on the build, hence why I called it a reference build.
For example if you don't need OC take an I5-3550, swap the MOBO with an H77 pendant and you could even use the stock cpu cooler from the boxed package.
P.S.: Here on https://www.facebook.com/SeagateDE is currently a competition hosted by Seagate to find the oldest still functioning drive / one with the most workhours.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIS6zyBkoKY. AMD 8350 really beats i5-3750, AMD are fast but intel generally work better, but I suggest you get an i7 2600k or i7-3770
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I'm going to ignore the fact you were the second person to post creepy guy's videos. They prove nothing and really you will find someone that contradicts any argument.
It's the 3570k and there actually is a 3570, but the k means unlocked. The I5s, mainly the i5-2500k and the i5-3570k are actually better gaming processors than the i7s, up until maybe the so expensive you could buy a house with the money, level ones. The hyperthreading (Which is basically forcing a core to do two jobs at once) actually hurts gaming, a bit, since they want the full cores for the processor heavy ones. They are also way more expensive. That is both out of his price range and would also be a ridiculous purchase.
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Those results are definitely skewed. In every other review with the 3570k coming out on top(in gaming). You can't honestly think those results are correct, especially ones with such an insane difference, namely Far Cry 3, a game that's more GPU heavy than CPU at a resolution of 1080p or above, which would mean it'd rely on the GPU more anyways. Hell, there was OVER 100% difference in that game(52fps for AMD, 25 for Intel). No two CPUs on the planet perform so far away from eachother when the rest of the rig is the same, unless you're comparing something like the 8350/3570k to a Pentium 4. That should send red flags up to anybody who knows anything about hardware. Various people on oc.net theorized that the mini ITX board is throttling the Intel CPU. Lord knows why they chose it. Either way, the 8350 isn't bad by any means, better for rendering/multi threaded things compared to the 3570k, but in gaming there's no doubt that the Intel comes out in top due to its increased IPC and single threaded performance , especially more-so in CPU intensive games. Now how much it comes out on top depends on the games of course. The fact that this guy's video, and this video alone contradicts 99% of benchmark sites comparing these two same CPUs says a ton.
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Intel and AMD are both junk, we should be at 48 GHz processors by now. When you compare Pentium generations every, 4 years performance increased by 4x or 300 percent. So we should have a 48 GHz single core, 24 GHz dual core, or 12 GHz quad core by now. When I browse the internet only 1 core is used and after 7 years intel only went from 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. What??? that's only a 13 percent increase.
Edit: YES I know clockspeed doesn't always equal better performance. My point is intel has slowed their research and developement in making better processors by 50 percent compared to the rate processors have been advancing between Pentium 1, 2, 3, and 4. The main reason is because Intel has 80 percent market share. 20 years ago, Intel had way less market share and had stiff competition between IBM and AMD. Now that Intel has 80 percent of the market share they have been a lot less innovative. Intel has become a bigger bully and monopoly than microsoft. They also feel a 5 percent increase in performance, which is difference between sandy and ivy bridge, is an improvement. Where is my 4x or 300 percent improvement after every 4 years, 20 to 100 percent improvents over 4 years is unacceptable. Also a speed limit of 5 GHz doesn't make sense and i'm pretty sure there is a work around as AMD is nearing 5 GHz, even einstin's theory of there being nothing faster speed of light was disproven when scientist advanced a particle 1.6 times the speed of light.
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Still waiting for the Pentium 5 and 6, instead of this sidetracked multi core processors generation
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There was a speed limit issued some years ago that capped the processor's maximum frequency to 5GHz. The reason you can't go beyond that is that you don't have an efficient way to dissipate all that heat the processor's dishing out(at least not for the typical consumer), so instead of having a single ultra-heated core you'll have more cores that emanate less heat.
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Intels are faster and more expensive. AMD's are better for the money. Neither are bad.
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I'll chime in with the Intel crowd (and for the record I've been using only AMD CPU's for about 10 years now). AMD wins for specific applications, so if you have a particular 3D rendering software you use a lot where AMD wins then they might make sense. As a general rule, Intel beats AMD, and in the rare cases when it's a shave Intel beats AMD hands down in terms of power use.
I suggest that you check the benchmarks and make your own mind (here's a link to the Anandtech one).
Still, if you're leaning towards the low end, the AMD FX-6300 is considered a sweet spot, far as I've seen. It will beat Core i3 in multithreaded apps and is "only" 95W.
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Did a little web checking and looks like the FX-6300 has about the same performance as my Phenom II X6 1090T (see here), and a little better in games. Took AMD a little while to get there, but I think it's pretty cool that it got there and with a lower power draw. Still, parity isn't enough to convince me that my next CPU will be AMD. I'll have to wait and see how far the Phenom II carries me (so far it's fine).
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I choose AMD
I have a AMD Phenom II X2 550 processor (weak processor) but it play's all my games fine, but i need an upgrade soon :P
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If you're only going to game, AMD is perfectly fine and you won't really see any difference. If you're going to encode video or run PS2/Wii emulators, or almost anything incredibly CPU intensive, Intel is the way to go bar-none. If you use any professional software it wouldn't hurt to check benchmarks for it since AMD processors occasionally best Intel at pro apps but usually only marginally, at best.
Don't bother saving on a CPU just to get a better graphics card, either. If you have an overpowered graphics card and a weak cpu you won't be getting the most out of your graphics card. It's a semi-rare situation to put yourself into when building from scratch, but it is something to be mindful of. And of course it depends on whether the games you're playing are CPU intensive or not.
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^ this
If you pay shitload of cash for GPU and save on CPU you'll end up creating bottleneck which will make GPU run worse than it should. Personally, I'd go with Intel. A year ago I was changing my CPU and went with Intel, i5-2500k and it's worth every penny... save some more money so you can buy good computer because wasting money and buying computers that are almost outdated or that are AMD is not worth it.
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Thanks for the reply. You helped me a lot. I have recently built a PC for a friend and I installed an A10 on it because we wanted to use the integrated graphics(until he can buy a proper gfx card) and it seems to work out greatly with many games so I was thinking I should do the same and O/C later on.
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I got a amd fx-8150 as a freebie and i think it seems ok, it performed well in the benchmarks.
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I've read a lot of people saying how Intel processors are superior to AMD processors, however, I'm look to build/buy a gaming computer for about £500/£600 in total.
Therefore, I'm wondering if Intel is outside my price range and how bad can an AMD processor be.
I actually read some article of Tom's Hardware comparing processors which said that an AMD FX 4170 was equivalent to an i5. Is this true or just a mistake?
Cheers
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