Because it would piss off the pedos here, and they're a significant percentage of the contributors. Would be my guess.
Same reason that stuff isn't walled off onto a separate storefront on Steam like it should be, instead of being gated behind a simple "are you 18?" like it currently is.
Watch as they flock to out themselves here. ;)
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It's not actually remarkable at all. If you thought it through, you could probably come up with a few scenarios where I might actually be completely familiar with SG and its membership. If you can't, that's a 'you' problem.
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The more you protest, the more the truth is revealed.
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a very likely scenario is that you were part of this group all along, therefore know more about it than me, who has been on SG for almost 10years
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I did say you guys would flock to out yourselves...I see no other reason why a person would object to my objection of pedophiles hanging out on SG.
The interesting thing is that some people later in the comments actually are attempting to normalize pedophilia. Which did serve to validate my comment.
Anything else you'd like to say?
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Yes...i own nep nep but didnt play it, if that is worth something
Edit: also you didnt object, you stated a significant percentage of users are
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Hmm. I'm sure you've redeemed keys from bundles and such without really looking into the games being redeemed. You've probably ended up with many games of dubious nature as a result. That in and of itself isn't a damning fact.
See. That's me making positive assumptions about you. ;)
*That is an objection. And a statement of fact. SG has always had a significant amount of pedos. Are you objecting to the word 'significant'? Significant - sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
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I don't think that you can bypass a perma ban by deleting an account.
I'm 97,8% positive I've read here you can.
I think it's some legal bullshit.
When you delete your account SG is legally obliged to delete all data associated with your account, including your SteamID64.
Might be wrong though... I've only heard it here on the forums.
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Hmm. I wonder what you were blacklisted for. Three years is a long time to recall the specifics of an interaction.
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Sadly a while ago I accidently deleted my blacklist documentation.
Your old nick used to be robilar5500 just like your Steam nickname?
Not sure about the numbers but I can vaguely remember somebody called robilar on this site. No specifics though.
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Indeed.
I got tired of the clique-ishness back then and really wanted to focus more on my playable backlog. I don't exactly remember when I deleted my account though.
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Not the best analogy but what I was trying to say was, if OP is using the site himself the only way it can be used, shouldn't OP's concern be valid at all? I don't think icaio goes out of their way to gift nsfw games specifically to children.
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I dug a little bit, and found this userscript: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/u0wRz/userscript-nsfw-games-filter
Looking at the code, it relies on a non-documented API endpoint:
https://store.steampowered.com/api/appdetails?appids=${appid}
It seems to return JSON data with info about the game, among the results is an array of "content descriptors" IDs:
data[${appid}].data.content_descriptors.ids
I couldn't find any official documentation for it, best I could find i could find is this old page.
(PS: be careful hitting this API too many times, you can quickly get throttled or worse)
Now seeing how the script uses it: https://github.com/Xeloses/sg-nsfw-filter/blob/master/sg-nsfw-filter.user.js#L378
the values 1 to 5 indicate:
The script by default considers 3 & 4 to be NSFW games, and filters them as such.
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you would still need user information to check if he would be allowed to enter
that's the easy part in my opinion, like many other sites you see online, SG can simply prompt the user to confirm they are 18+ years old, SG is not required to verify if the user is lying or not, it just needs their explicit consent ;)
this warning doesn't even have to be shown on every nsfw giveaway, just once in account settings is enough, if the user doesn't consent then simply hide all adult games for that user.
obviously for that to work, SG needs an automated way to determine if a game is adult-only, which as far as I can tell, steam doesn't offer a (documented) API for this...
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never thought about that, always seen everyone on SG as random encoded data
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Did you check the steam account to make sure adult only content isn't blocked? If it is, block it and then sync with SG. That MIGHT fix it.
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i would prefer not to have hentai and adult only at all here and ban them but it is difficult to seperate the clearly porn games with those that have minor sexual content. even Bad Rats has a Hentai tag for some reason 𤣠so the tags are also not always right. also i remember adult only tag being a thing but i can't see it now đ
if we somehow could easily ban all the clearly porn games that would be great, i mean there is that orange-black site for porn if someone wants that.
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Yeah, games like The Witcher 1, 2 & 3 all have explicit nudity, heavy sexual themes and so on. Cyberpunk generally is even completely on the same tier as any random porn game with the fact that you can run with your cock out and fuck everyone with nothing else happening in the game just like how there's porn games where you can avoid sex entirely.
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Technically legal consequences could apply to any game that is rated above the age of 16 when given away because you do so without the consent of an adult that is responsible for the minor in question.
And if you look at different countries it will even get more complicated because of different viewpoints etc.
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In the end, any age verification can be circumvented, e.g. parents credentials being used (with or without consent of the parents).
Only way to prevent minors getting adult only stuff from oneself, is to not give away that kind of games. imho
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pretty much anything can be circumvented. the problem is that security system isn't there (to be circumvented)
also, it's hard to educate everybody. i might understood the lesson, but content will continue to be shared by someone else (and specifically, it's about the cheapest keys available, and often give full CV).
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Post Ident is also not cheap, if I am not mistaken. Are you willing to pay that cost for every website you want to use?
As soon as you have to verify your age once (e.g. tied to an e-mail adress) and can use that for many websites, you have the same problem as saving your credit card info on your tablet and your kids spending hundreds on "gems" in p2w games.
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It's been a while since I had to do that the last time, iirc it was for Amazon. According to this there are no expenses for the customer. Not every service/website is offering adult stuff at all and I'd be willing to pay a few Euros if it's important to me. For Steam it would be totally worth it to me and I could also set my store to Germany again.
Of course parents have to monitor access nonetheless. Noone else can do that for them.
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I meant expensive for the service, e.g. Steamgifts. If Steam's API would be able to pass it through, that would be great.
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Is there anything SG can actually do about this? If there is, then yah, do it, but, I'm not about to hold them completely accountable. In the end, parents really need to monitor what their kids do more, use the family settings on their kids steam accounts, etc etc. If the games are still showing here and allow entry after such steps with steam, then yah, we have a problem that needs to be addressed.
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For parents to do that, they must understand what their kids are doing. Judging from what I see at work, being a teacher, a not too small percentage of parents have no clue what can be done with a modern phone, what kind of games can be played on Steam (and so on), the workings of pay 2 win and so on. Many are not willing to think about these topics either.
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Yah, the parents may need to be educated on these things. I know I have to often inform relatives of risk with these things for their kids. I've had to inform them of the risks of youtube kids, that consoles don't keep them away from adult material, etc etc. I'm constantly pushing for more use of parental controls, and monitoring regardless, because no measure is ever 100%.
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It's honestly sickening.
I know way too much than I would like about this stuff. Since I was one of the admins of a large PG13 anime forum in the 00s, I've sent a few reports to NCMEC in my time. Stuff I wish I didn't have to read, and still makes my skin crawl. The forum was innocent, and nothing not PG13 was allowed. But the young demographic attracted a few unsavoury people.
Makes me sad to think that there are parents now of my generation who are still not watching out for their kids online. There was some excuse for the older ones who grew up without technology.
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I feel like no matter what solution's proposed, some feathers will undoubtedly be ruffled. I mean there's literally a guy here who thinks that not doing comprehensive online ID checks and not wanting to send personally compromising information to random websites means you're a pedo, so hard to find reasonable middle grounds.
I don't have any specific preference to this. If Steamgifts wants to genuinely protect kids and spend circa $250,000 a year at a minimum (so probably requiring a monthly fee of $50 to even use the site) for full time professionals to check IDs and to beef up cyber security to protect everyone's data that'll be flowing through the service, why not.
If they want to do security theater of asking "U 18 bro?", sure, go for it.
If they want to nullify any video game giveaways and their CV values retroactively for all users and block any discussion that might even slightly be unsuited for anyone that's 13, then sure.
I wouldn't want to be among those that decide because literally no answer here is a fully good and correct one.
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oh yes because no one ever lied about their age before
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I disagree with your premise. SteamGifts is covered by the Steam client parental controls, Family View: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98
If a parent has properly applied Family View to their child's account, they would not be able to access any objectionable material, and a parent can hand select which games are available in the child's library even.
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Not saying you're wrong, but, I couldn't find a single game showing nudity on the banner art while browsing all giveaways publicly available.
As for the thread itself, the age for owning a steam account is 13 years old. Which is usually the age kids begin to do sexual exploration. Of course, minors shouldn't consume porn because it can distort some of their perception as well as cause addiction, but, there's little any parent could do to stop them from exploring it in this day and age.
All I'm saying is, if a minor is looking for something on the internet, they most definitely will find it.
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What are you talking about, SG only shows thumbnails. Is there some hidden video preview I don't know about?
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Check out the 'camera' button
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/eJWNo/view-screenshots-videos
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Indeed, I've considered this issue and decided that Valve are the ultimate gateway for "protecting" minors from love whilst allowing them limitless access to violence in games playable only on Steam... ;-)
It may be that in the (near) future some countries start forcing all web sites offering any access to "adult" content (what an utterly stupid term!) to actually implement proof of age, which will cause major/fatal problems for some web sites, as well as add serious privacy concerns (but the proposals along these lines I've seen here in the UK only seem to apply to "big" providers, even though the proposed laws are still too stupid to pass - but then this is the country that can't tell the difference between incontinence and sexual pleasure so made viewing of both peeing and squirting a criminal offence...).
I make giveaways here regardless of any possible age restrictions, since I don't consider it the giveaway creator's job to do any sort of age verification whatsoever, that would just be insanity. We're all adults here (whether real or pretend, and age is only one factor in that!)
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why shouldn't they? since the world is turning people who wanted access to NSFW material had access to NSFW material. and no matter how many checks, blocks and other obstacles you put in the way they'll always find a way around it, while you only make it more hassle for honest users.
besides, stop demonising porn! there's nothing wrong with porn! ffs sex is like the most natural thing in the world! none of us would be here without it so why tf we make such a taboo out of it!
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I find it always deplorable when users here or on Steam muse about how to shelter minors from sexual content while they are perfectly fine with pedocaches(lootboxes) in games to foster gambling addiction and all the games where virtual humans slaughter others in the most descriptive way possible. Perfect match would be strong supporter of NRA and religious zealot.
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I don't like anything gambling related in games for any ages tbh, at least not in the sense you're spending real money on it. That said, when it comes to violence and sexual content, the reason I'm more forgiving of violence comes down to the simple fact, I can explain to a child that violence is inherently bad, has consequences, and should never be something they turn to unless for self preservation. This is an easy enough task to accomplish as even children are naturally prone to thinking about and committing acts of violence, they simply may not be aware of the impact it can have, or the consequences, and that's why discussing it is key.
However, when it comes to sexual content, I can't outright say sex is bad, and it can take a fair amount longer for them to even have thoughts related to sexuality, so getting into a complex conversation about when or how it's good or bad, when it's something that may not even be on their mind... Good chance it can lead to confusion.
Now that's not all to say that I think violence is more acceptable than sexual content in games for younger people, it's more or less just to say that violence is something you'll be able to discuss more appropriately from an earlier age. In the end, neither form of content has a specific age in which it becomes acceptable, these are things that will be acceptable to allow at different periods of development, based on the natural growth and intellectual levels of the child. Regardless though, there still should be limits in both categories.
That's just my opinion though, I'll never claim that my opinion is undeniable fact. It's based on memory of my own development, and observations of loved ones development. In the end, I'd prefer to restrict both as long as possible if it were my child. There are plenty of games that are enjoyable even as an adult that require neither.
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I honestly don't remember, are minors even allowed to use SG? What's the minimum age here?
In my eyes it seems easier to just put a minimum age requirement for the whole site that trying to restrict it per game being given away, I don't know if it's even feasible from a technical standpoint since all the info is taken from Steam itself. Do we even need kids in here anyway?
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Terms say 16. And yeah, everyone here seems so old.
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Yeah, 16 year olds probably don't need SG to find porn online regardless, by that age they're likely pretty aware of where to look. Although I must admit that while I'm not sure if I gave away any NSFW games in the past, the idea that the user receiving one could have been a minor does make me a bit uncomfortable now that I stop to think about it.
I often operate under the assumption that every SG user is at least in their 20's if not older, I know that's inaccurate but it's hard to get out of that mindset when constantly interacting with people here that are somehow older than me despite me being 33.
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đreinforcement
https://www.steamgifts.com/legal/terms-of-service
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Please read this Agreement carefully before accessing or using the Website. By accessing or using any part of the Website, you agree to become bound by the terms and conditions of this agreement. If you do not agree to all the terms and conditions of this agreement, then you may not access the Website or use any services. If these terms and conditions are considered an offer by SteamGifts, acceptance is expressly limited to these terms. The Website is available only to individuals who are at least 16 years old.
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Personally, I think that in some countries some expressions were treated as a death sentence.
I don't think anyone would go out of their way to get such a thing from someone with an SG that would leave evidence that they received it from someone else.đ
In any case, if a 16 year old user thinks that his/her life may be in danger or that he/she may be violating the laws of his/her country, it may be a problem that can be avoided by asking for a "reroll" even if he/she "wins".
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Why parents doesn't do this job? Doesn't they have to control websites their children visits?
Remember Soth Park
Hyeah. I guess parents don't give a crap about violence if there's sex things to worry about.
P.S. What age of restriction for NSFW content must be in your opinion?
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