Why are you people so angry all the time. Just don't buy any products which are exclusive on the EGS and done. I for one boycott any stuff made by EA for at least 10 years now. Just pretend it doesn't exist and your blood pressure will thank you for it :)
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EA is the place where all good game series go to die.
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You're complaining that Epic is getting this game while it still stays on Steam? Seriously?
Idk about the Steam economy, all Ik is Valve gives devs a small portion of sales for their games when all Valve does is host their games on their system, making out like bandits with a huge majority of the sale price. The devs put in a lot of work making their games and Steam says "Thanks! This game is now mostly mine!" And devs have to pay Steam just to get their game on the platform! Plus Steam shouldn't be allowed to be a monopoly on games, we'd be in for a world of hurt if t hat ever happened.
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It's not on Steam at all, that's the point. But where did you get the huge majority of Steam's cut?
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I think you've gotten the games mixed up. You're probably thinking about Magic Duels which came out a few years ago and is no longer supported, it is still playable on Steam though. MTG Arena is currently available on it's own client and will be launching on the Epic Games Store in a few days. So far nothing has been mentioned publicly about it coming to Steam at a later time yet.
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Just took out $50 from Steam to buy some Magic cards. Now if MTGA would be on Steam, there would be no need for that extra hassle since the money could be just used there. But if it's on Epic Crappy Store, one would need to put in more money to some shady Chinese spyware site. But that seems to be what some people want, giving all their real money to Chinese instead of just using free money to get what they want. Hardly makes sense but of course everyone is free to have their wrong opinions.
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OK, I guess going back to HS isn't an option any more now that Blizzard is officially backing the oppression, torture and mutilation for black organ market of everyone who disagrees. Spyware is starting to sound a lot better than groveling before their Chinese communist overlords.
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...what?
No really, I'm sorta lost on how to interpret this.
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So by playing any of their games you're showing your support for the Chinese government and total lack of human rights.
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Whoa. Thanks for that heads up. Something to chew on.
However, I disagree with your assertion. Saying that playing their games supports the chinese government or their policies is quite a leap. Saying they are 'officially backing the oppression, torture and mutilation for black organ market of dissenters' is even more of a leap. The apathy of profit-driven corporate bodies that are not political organisations is quite different to active endorsers. However I would agree that by spending money on Blizzard products you are enabling how they mishandled the situation, (and has a tangental effect on the matter). I imagine beyond a certain timeframe or certain (large, synchronoous) pushback, they lose context and chalk up dips in profits or concurrent players to other sales and game matters. Respecting your mindful choice though.
I'll have to chew on the subject some more and see if my opinion stays where it is, because the policy matters over there (and the protests) aren't close to home, so certain nuance is likely lost, and propaganda / selective media exposure will have a far more pronounced effect. I've seen some nasty crap relating to the subject, but I've also seen videos that had a distinctly suspicious framing (unreliable veracity, seemingly created solely court the support of external opinion from those who are not familiar with the subject material, etc). It's easy to be led by emotion OR by apathy, and looking at how information is used in this day and age it's so easy to be misled or go off half-cocked.
I suspect I'm not going to come to clear answer either (in regards to the overarching narrative), though the police brutality is fucked up, and idealogically every country should have the right to voice its dissent and desire for sovereignty.
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Well I like to be correct, not politically correct, so I say things as they are. I don't think there is much left to nuances, China is exactly like Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were, taking over others nations by force and then using draconian measures to keep the people quiet and compliant.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/ went private from the backslash
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/ is full of people quitting after years
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I don't want to get into the meat of the question and I can see parallels with USSR and Nazi Germany , but the amateur historian in me wonders which countries has China (or more exactly the PRC) ever 'taken over by force'? Aside from border disputes, I can only think of Tibet in 1950, while the list for Nazi Germany and Soviet Union is pretty large...
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https://www.laowaicareer.com/blog/has-china-ever-invaded-another-country/
That seems accurate from the last century or so. but I was referring more to their tactics for controlling the people than the number of countries. So total lack of human rights to support a totalitarian left-wing Government.
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That is exactly what misinformation relies upon, the belief that what you consume is correct, and that your personal compass is so reliable that no nuance can shift the paradigm.
'As things are', there are claims that there has been violence from the protesters against other citizens. A number of the protesters considering Trump a spiritual ally in the fight (and holding signs/banners to that effect), and googling the matter ("hong kong protests trump") gives seemingly conflicting headlines of 'Trump promises China silence on Hong Kong protests' and 'Trump wants humane solution to Hong Kong protests'. Videos of police brutality abound, but I have also seen one (non-violence) with strange framing that seemed to be aimed more at gathering support via acting (a first-aider yelling to be let into the subway, and then breaking down crying, however a few comments to the video seemed to remark a person in the video gave a 'cue' at the start with a paraphrased "okay im recording, go"?). This is with little real time invested into the subject. I'm not saying don't observe the obvious and hold it accountable (police brutality, suppression, etc), but as we are external to this, we have to beware misinformation from interested parties.
There are two bodies who want power, and while it is right for any locale to feel able to dissent and move towards protecting or reclaiming their sovereignty, it does not justify all methods. A penis-size competition of who is the most abhorrent with the loser being the only one to recieve scrutiny may not really serve any true justice, and I feel that is typically all that gets achieved if we become fixated on treating every unfamiliar issue as totally black and white. While some shades can be justifiable in extreme circumstances, we have to acknowledge the things we are not certain of, or where information is incomplete or may be of dubious intent. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and all that. I am only advising caution to go along with the justifiable passion.
Unrelated to the protests, but here's a fine example of misinformation spread through passion that was brought up in semi-recent hot debate threads (albeit a long watch): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4
It took someone investing an awful lot of effort to dig that stuff up, and it only succeeded because it happened within our own system, and with heavy event-logging. Something that we do not have the luxury of in many 'external' matters.
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So you think it's all western propaganda and there are absolutely no human rights problems in China? Was Tiananmen square faked as well and nobody got hurt?
Who threw a rock or didn't is literally meaningless detail in this while there are millions tortured and killed for wrong opinions elsewhere in China. You are of course free to imagine it's all propaganda as well and everything is fine, exactly because it doesn't concern you or happen near you so it's easy to close eyes.
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Stop. Just stop. The hyperbolic projection isn't helping anyone or anything, and you should realise it only actually furthers my point about misinformation. You're accusing me of ignorance and randomly believing everything is propaganda, but that's a total asspull supported by nothing (and more than a bit hypocritical given your whole bit about 'if you play Blizzard games you support China's torture policy' thing ;P). If you don't want to show caution then I suppose you're not alone in that regard, but it'll be a hell of a price to pay for moral catharsis if something critical gets overlooked and unaddressed (such as other groups or agent provocateurs making moves under the guise of being protesters when they're anything but).
And the Hong Kong protests are seperate from China's torture. Yes, both ultimately speak ill of the authorities, but be careful about blurring them together, as it can cause overshadowing where each deserves its own attention, and blame is not centralised and will need to fall heavily on different responsible parties.
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I'm not accusing you of anything, just curious about how far your mistrust of well known information goes. What do you think is misinformation and what is not. Like I said, the protests in HK are a drop in a vast ocean of bad things in China so it's meaningless who is to blame for that one incident.
HK is a part of China, so how are they separate exactly? Just because they haven't put all protesters in slave trains to concentration camps yet, doesn't mean it's their way of handling all political problems proven by them having done it time and time again.
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Except you blatantly did make an accusation. You opened the previous reply with "So you think it's all western propaganda", followed with "you are of course free to imagine it's all propaganda as well and everything is fine" and finished with "so it's easy to close eyes". All without any reasonable thing to base it from in my posts. You can't get a clearer cut accusation of thinking everything is propaganda / being ignorant. The post is literally right there in plain public view, you can't just pretend nobody noticed it. You've done this before with me on another subject, even insisting it was nothing to do with language hiccups causing misinterpretation.
HK is part of China, but that 'seperation' part of the equation goes right to the very core of these protests. Unless I'm mistaken (and I don't think I am), the original waves of protests were because HK authorities were going to start allowing the extradition of detained invididuals to mainland China, where their policies and methods differ drastically (and as you mention, with a tendency towards being less humane). Mainland China and HK can be treated as distinctly seperate bodies in this discussion as they are the two authorities of interest whose will the protesters is clashing with regarding the anti-extradition bill. Yes, HK is 'part' of China, but the fact that it is considered 'extradition', and that this concept has triggered a protest, suggests a distinct rift in policy, standards and expectations. No, HK aren't saints, but if you lump them all together as an amorphous faceless beast then you lose important details on the landscape that run to the very heart of why the protests are happening.
This is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to not being familiar with the subject, Starwhite. If you are so eager to treat it as black and white with no room for hidden aspects and human shortcoming, but can so easily miss such basic details of the situation, then you stand a good chance of signal boosting something that is inaccurate, or potentially even false. All it takes is a single fuck-up. Passionate as you may be, you have to acknowledge that as a foreigner to their issues, your sources of information are potentially vulnerable to inaccuracy / spin / etc too. Though that depends on whether you're getting it from news-media and where you are situated, but the internet, word of mouth and the spread of online articles are also a minefield.
Our opinions as the uninvolved are not nearly as important as listening to the voices of those that are, and even then we must be careful to ensure we are hearing everything pertinent, and not just the loudest signal-boosts (again, because passion can easily overtake fact, and the digital information age can bring about the worst even in genuinely well-meaning people). If you do feel as strongly as you claim, then you have to acknowledge this stuff isn't a game and needs a certain level of sobriety, which also means reserving a small slice of doubt for all things, including the aspects you feel certain of.
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Where did I make the accusation tho? You could just answer the question I asked without making a wall of text explaining why the wrong answer to my question would be wrong and then blaming me for that. I have zero need for your doubts, what I'd prefer is a simple answer.
You're still the only one here talking about only that one protest. Until you get this it really is pointless to try to discuss two different things.
I suggest you start reading actual quality media instead of whatever crap you currently are, it will really help to open your eyes. Protip: https://rsf.org/en/ranking
Where did I claim I feel strongly about any of this? If you want to have an actual conversation, you should first stop making up feelings or opinions for me and just focus on your own.
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I already told you where the accusation is. I even quoted pieces of it at you. What more can I do? Are you going to pretend you forgot what you said? Do you really need a screenshot to refresh your memory? Well here you go. Attached.
And I did answer your question. I've answered you AND explained my reasoning, as simply as I could manage given the deflection and hyperbole. If you disagree, that's fine. Just say so. You don't even have to explain why. Just don't try to play this weird "I'm not touching you!" playground garbage. And this may surprise you, but people don't need to randomly make claims about their own emotions or values for them to... y'know... exist. It's obvious in your responses and assertions that you feel strongly about the situation. Strong enough to be very resistant to the concept of caution on foreign politics you're not familiar with, in fact. Almost like a driving force behind saying Blizzard endorses torture and so forth. :U
If you want to have an actual conversation, you should first stop making up feelings or opinions for me and just focus on your own.
I'm done with this hypocrisy. I should have learned from the last time you pulled this. I'm out.
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What more can I do?
You could have done the simplest thing: just answer the question marked with ? at the end.
And I did answer your question.
Nope, you didn't answer it at all desperately trying to avoid it by posting boring walls of blah blah and then making up some "strong feelings" I apparently need to have to discuss about things.
And this may surprise you, but people don't need to randomly make claims about their own emotions or values for them to... y'know... exist. It's obvious in your responses and assertions that you feel strongly about the situation.
It might surprise you, but your feelings are only inside your head and invisible to others. That is exactly why you need to tell others what you are feeling instead of telling them what you imagine they are feeling, since you have absolutely no way to know that.
Strong enough to be very resistant to the concept of caution on foreign politics you're not familiar with
Keep on living in your little bubble where nothing bad ever happens and simple facts to everyone else in the world are mysterious nuances.
I'm done with this hypocrisy. I should have learned from the last time you pulled this. I'm out.
Please do go away, at least until you learn the basics of having an adult discussion. Nothing of value was lost.
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I saw the post and gave it a shot, but only got halfway through the second sentence before I gave up on you.
You're not really able to hold an adult conversation without launching into weird character assassination tangents and pretty much anything BUT addressing the actual points being raised. I'm not going to stick around just to be target practice for your cartoonish passive-aggressive lashing out. Your self-indulgent childishness is not my burden to bear.
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You're the only one here doing personal attacks as their only argument. I asked you if you think so and so? Then you started telling me how I feel and think as a fact without even listening to me. So please just go away already and go play victim with someone else who might be interested in your sorry act.
If you still feel accused every time people ask you questions, maybe you should seek professional help.
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And now just like most trolls you break down. Really seek the help and go away.
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Yes, please do keep on showing us how retarded you are by only being able to utter one letter at a time. Then you imagine you're capable of having an actual conversation which is even more amusing. Just go away already little troll, nobody cares about you for anything other than a source of amusement.
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No, you most definitely are not okay, or maybe in the 4chan troll sense since that seems to be where you belong.
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You're not that either, so maybe instead of trying to project your own faults to others, you should finally look in a mirror and think for the first time in your life, apparently.
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Why yes. I'm certainly projecting an awful lot right now.
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Any political speech is often banned in international tournaments for a host of reasons. We might agree 100% with what the person is saying, but that doesn't mean that he was in the right. He would have signed an agreement to keep politics out of Hearthstone. Eurovision was created years ago to bring people from different countries together in song while putting all of their political feelings aside. That's kinda what sporting events are too(bringing people together who love the same thing) and that's why they ban any political speech. Blizzard might have agreed with what he said, but they can't make exceptions to a contract.
So, I get why Blizzard disqualified him. To say they support what China does is a stretch in the wrong direction imo. BUT... Taking all of his prize money up to that point is a low blow. That, I don't think they should have done.
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Yeah, that's a bit strange alright. Wonder on what grounds they removed the two casters.
A country like China who are not known for their respect of human rights might ban Hearthstone and prevent players from their country from ever taking part in competitions again. That's why some of those competitions have rules like that, to keep it open to everyone. It's not the player's fault that they come from a country ruled by diabolical tyrants. =(
Being who he is, I am sure he must have a lot of followers on social media. He should have used those platforms to raise awareness.
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According to someone, the casters were encouraging him like "just say the thing and we can be done with the interview" or something like that in Chinese.
Far bigger issue than letting everyone have access to tournaments is losing the income from the banned amateur players.
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Eurovision has lots and lots and lots of political singers though. There's been plenty a "protest song" put up. Can't recall any of them being banned for it ever. So it doesn't seem to hold that rule if it exists.
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Yeah, now they do because we're mostly all buddies now. XD But... its original purpose was to bring the people of Europe together, doing something they love while leaving the political differences at the door.
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"Discussions were held between the singer and the state-funded broadcaster about reconsidering her stance, but no compromising ground was found, so the Ukranian officials revoked their bid."
They didn't get denied, they pulled out themselves?
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In 2017, Russia withdrew their Eurovision entrant when host country Ukraine blocked them from entering the country.
You missed a part.
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You could just issue a warning or some other punishment better fitting the crime of saying couple bad words. The magnitude of their actions fully shows that the order came from Beijing, not Irvine and they bowed down to their overlords.
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Sorry, could you elaborate on the whole torture and genocide part? I remember people being imprisoned without trial and tortured by USA government in Guantanamo Bay Detention Centre. As for genocide... you mean genocide of the Native Americans, right?
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Native Americans in China sounds bit too far fetched. You could easily Google up all the minorities China is mass murdering.
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Well, Native Americans were a majority in America before the genocide. Google individualizes results based on the information it gathered on you, so I may get drastically different results for similar searches
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Sure, the whole nation is built on nothing but genocide and slavery. But USA still has very little to do with China. Is your Internet behind the Great Firewall or why you would not get links to all the major news media around the world talking about the same thing?
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Then suggest search terms. Saying just "google" on its own is not reliable. The search criteria dramatically shifts the results, and what you feel is are obvious modern issues may go totally under the radar of any search from the uninitiated (only finding parts of the whole picture you have). I just had a quick google and got nothing on my first pass, only picking bits up on my second. It's not too much to ask for the smallest of summaries to start a person off. :p
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I really need to do that?
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+genocide
https://www.google.com/search?q=china+torture
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If you wanted to draw attention to specific instances, of course you do.
Especially given how fickle google-fu can be. :p
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Looks like it's only OK when USA to uses tortures and concentration camps...
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Since when and how exactly is that OK? Where on Google did you find this information when looking into genocide and torture in China?
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USA is putting in camps and torturing mostly foreign invaders and holy warriors bent on blowing up the world and the worse threat is total lack of privacy everywhere at least since the Patriot Act. China is doing the same to their own citizens who just happen to have wrong ethnicity, religion or ideology by the millions.
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True, that was my original intention but then I got lazy.
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I was actually just about to post something similar to borsdy. Making another thread would probably be a good idea as they are two very different subjects.
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Everyone is free to do that if they feel the need. I like reusing threads that are somehow related.
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The opening post of the thread still looks like it's just talking about F2P games. Might be worth tweaking the title, or adding more than the 'shills' remark, like a litlte update on the banning of the Heartstone pro and tying it to an article or two of your choice (on the protests). You'd get attention to the subject.
Or not, I mean I'm not trying to hound you on top of our current bickering up in the other subthread.
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Now you're assuming I have some desperate need to get attention to the subject. Also we already got another thread just for that.
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I did it in the exact way I wanted, so suggestions to make it more the way you want are not necessary. Instead you should post the threads you want yourself.
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At least you finally managed to talk about your own feelings about how the thread should look instead of making them up for me. That is a big step, keep taking them and maybe one day you can have a meaningful conversation.
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And you seem to have fallen to your default level of communication after trying so hard for a while.
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It's almost like you're not being taken seriously while spewing passive aggression, ain't it?
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It's almost like you imagine someone cares about your aggressive trolling. Nobody cares what you take seriously or not, just as a protip.
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If "k" is "aggressive trolling" to you, I really don't know what to tell you.
You were given ample chances to disengage, and yet you opted each time to double down on the tone, and now you're just heaping on toxic muppetry.
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Where did I say that it was what I'm referring to? The "k" spam is just you showing your true colors of having nothing of worth to say so you spam a single letter imagining it makes you look smarter somehow.,
You're still the toxic muppet here and promised to go away already several times, yet here you are spamming more of your nonsense once again. That single letter spam is even against the rules if you didn't know, since it has no possible purpose or meaning outside the spam.
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You were literally responding to the "k"s right here, galaxy brain. You'll keep getting this so-called "spam" until you decide to stop falling over yourself with the petty toxic jabs. It really isn't rocket science, Starwhite. I'll stop replying with "okay" when you stop lashing out like a salt-gremlin. :P
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You're the gremlin here who can only utter single letters, actual humans can use actual words. You really imagine you have the stamina to keep up with me or are you just really desperate to get yourself disabled for spam and harassment? I'm sure having a conversation is rocket science to you since you're the only one that had to result to "toxic jabs" because all your other arguments failed.
Have you ever looked in a mirror?
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You misspelled realism, but what can we expect from a troll spammer that has the ability to utter single letters at most.
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Is this some kind of "I need the last word" thing?
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Sure does look like one, maybe add that to the list of things you can talk about with a professional? Are you having doubts about your trolling campaign already, we're just getting started. The thread hasn't even broken yet like has happened before.
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Alas, my trolling campaign was doomed to failure, given it cunningly consisted mostly of trying to have a simple adult conversation (the other subthread, apparently where this all stems from?), and then my exit strategy of disregarding aggression with "okay" also failed. Whatever is a boy to do?~
Though, I mean, just some food for thought : If it angers you that your continued lashing out is having no effect on me, perhaps you should consider just not lashing out? I know it sounds bizarre but give it some thought. It's so crazy it just might work.
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Your idea of a simple adult conversation seems to be spamming "k". At least you got one word right but it wasn't adult or conversation.
Why would it anger me to be amused? Here you are once again making up feelings for me that have no place outside your own head. Why would I care one bit about effects on you? You lash out, I crush your weak trolling and keep on laughing.
How about you focus on telling others what you are feeling like I suggested, since those are the only feelings you have any idea about.
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A simple "no, I'll keep being rancid" would have sufficed.
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So why don't you spam that instead of "k" for a change? It could even increase your entertainment value. You're still the only rancid one here which you keep so desperately trying to prove.
But I'm sure this must be amusing for you as well, since nobody could keep on talking crap like that with a serious face, so we get to keep on going on and on, yay!
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Nah, I'm only still responding to you because your frustration at your hostility having no effect feels like a fitting self-inflicted punishment, given your reliance on gaslighting and well-practiced remarks about mental health. That said, it's probably for the best you're expressing your ugly side online rather than anywhere else.
Until then, I guess I'll keep providing you the minimum required acknowledgement to keep up this holding pattern. You can be free of this little charade when you choose for yourself to take a path other than pointless (and pretty damn tasteless) aggression.
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You're still talking about only yourself, stop projecting your own feelings to other people, it's not healthy. I don't need to light any gas when you're doing your best to prove me right at every point. Stop acting like a mental health patient if you don't want to be called one. Admit that you have a problem with your feelings and seek help, there is nothing to be ashamed of.
Until you admit that you never even had a chance and stop punishing yourself with this charade, we will just keep going on and on. You're the one who already said you will stop 2-4 times and never did. I have never said I have any need for this to stop, on the contrary. Why would I ever want to "be free" of amusement at your petty little anger? Why do you feel the need to stop when we're supposed to have fun?
Many little trolls like you have tried, none have ever succeeded and you appear to be so weak that you wont even reach the top levels of amusement.
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Man, you're really whiffing all these opportunities to bow out with any remote ounce of grace.
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You finally succeeded in being actually funny instead of just something to laugh at. So maybe there is hope for you yet if you keep cracking good ones like that. Are you really expecting me to bow down to your weak trolling?
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More progress, that's good. Admitting that your reasoning is at the attempt level is a big step forward.
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You must really love me making fun of you since you keep coming back for more. And who am I to derive you that pleasure. so enjoy.
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Also fun to see in how many ways I can break you. Now we have progressed from single letters to you wishing you could say something worth saying but not quite knowing what it might be. I'm just waiting for the usual phase you trolls go through, just spamming 4chan memes all the time.
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>Pretends to be only responding to a troll but does nothing but hurl poorly concealed abuse and pretends to be surprised when they're not taken seriously.
>Claims their target does nothing but spam "4chan" memes when they don't invest time to the ongoing tantrum, but then uses 'greentext' meme out of frustration when ignored.
>Claims target only spams single letters and placeholders, while also claiming any response beyond disregard is 'spamming more words to sound smart'.
>Claims target is incapable of responding rationally while doing nothing more than overreaching with badly disguised juvenile anger, while has yet to acknowledge direct quotations (and a screenshot) of their behaviour prior, and opted to focus solely on personal attack, deflection and projection.
>Claims to 'break' target for 'amusement' while maintaining the target is the 'troll', while continuing a prolonged meltdown resulting from inability to reconcile with someone daring to suggest updating the opening post (even despite a disclaimer noting they dont seem rude / badgering).
> Expects respect while dropping "I'm not angry, YOU ARE, you mental health patient! Get help, troll! Hahaha you're dumb you didn't respond, you're so bad. Hahaha now you responded, you're so bad!", but then also shits the bed whenever perfect politeness isn't maintained in response to said hostility.Comment has been collapsed.
Oops, I slipped. My bad.
I meant to say :
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Yeah, as if you ever had anything worth saying anyways, just keep up your pathetic trolling in the very remote hope that one year I'll bow down to a little troll like you. You're the one who seems to be so desperate for someone to take you seriously, probably for the first time in your life, but sorry I can't do that for you.
So broken, so mad. At least this time I got you to make an actual effort of writing something so another win for me.
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More broken than ever, I win either way. This is what you don't seem to get, you do this to make someone take you seriously, I'm doing the total opposite and doing this to amuse myself. So have fun trying to imagine you're winning when anything you do is a win for me.
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You do still realize that what you're doing is prohibited in the rules, right? Don't come crying to me when you get disabled for your trolling.
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And posting solely to scrape the barrel for any remote antagonism or insult you can muster (in response to someone suggesting you update your threads opening, and then telling you the aggression is unnecessary) isn't?
Get the fuck outta here you anthropomorphic trashfire. xD
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Where do you see any insults as a response to that? I merely said I don't need any help because the thread is already exactly like I want it. Then you started your single letter spam as a response to my totally non-hostile comment. So please look in the mirror already little troll.
You're the one spamming crap here, I'm merely commenting on how your spam makes you look like. If you want it to stop, you know what to do. I don't want this to ever stop so all up to you like it always has been.
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Aww, be boring then in the hopes that it will be less amusing for me.
Let's join your troll tactic then: Thanks for win #1 (I even started at 1 to give you a handicap, how nice of me :)
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Yeah, actually, you know what? You 'win'.
You're obviously not learning anything, and it's not my job to facilitate your growth away from senseless hostility, even if it's really only entailed giving you something to vent at until it runs its course to exhaustion. Maybe you'll figure it out when you notice the recurring pattern across multiple people, maybe not. I should have made good on my original reply of "I'm out".
Enjoy your 'victory' ;P
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I'm learning that you're a stupid troll, what else do you imagine there is to learn from your spam? Maybe stop trolling and spamming if you don't want hostile responses to it, have you ever thought about doing that? Or how your actions have consequences at all?
Only pattern I see is some people adamantly refusing to have an adult conversation where you actually listen to the other person and ask for details if you got confused instead of keep arguing based on all misunderstandings. Fortunately there are plenty of other people still.
Yes finally be a person of your word and do it! I was enjoying beating you at your own game much more, but I'll have to settle for just a victory then. :(
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I didn't find anything worse or even equal to what USA did and continues to do
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Sure, but that worst refers to their use of nuclear weapons if anything. Just putting some foreign people trying to invade your country in camps doesn't seem as bad as German, Russian or Chinese concentration camps for their own citizens. Those people have the option to never go to USA just like I never will.
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What about US concentration camps for their own citizens of Japanese origin during WW2?
Anyway, I don't think tortures, killing of innocents and human right violations are equally bad when you do it to foreign people or your own. It's just when USA, or "civilized" European countries commit such atrocities at massive scale, it is called harsh but necessary measures. When countries out of "elite club" do something much less sinister, it is a thing that must be stopped immediately and a good justification to bully this country economically (or invade it in case of weaker countries)
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Almost every country in every war has had such camps if you bother to look closer. War is all about killing people anyways.
Where exactly are Americans killing and torturing people in camps these days? Cuba sure, but that's still only for people who wish to blow up every western country there is, so no actual humanity lost there. What European countries are doing that at the moment? I think the last time Germany did it, it caused so huge an uproar that it's still going on after 60+ years. Only very few call it necessary. Russia of course did it on an even bigger scale than Germany, but since they won the war nobody is talking about that other than brainwashed Russians thinking it was a great thing to do, would do again.
Do you have any idea of what China is doing if you call it less sinister? Or do you imagine putting someone who tried to invade your country illegally in prison is more sinister than genocide mainly just to use them for organ harvesting? In war times those invaders would just be shot on the border.
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USSR wasn't killing or torturing people in camps, except in western propaganda stories. The use of prisoner labor is common in many countries, and nobody says a thing about it. The amount of people in USA prisons is nowadays similar or greater than in Gulag, and there are all kinds of nasty things happening in these prisons, especially when prison administration encourages it. As for European countries - the colonial system didn't fall immediately, so many atrocities were commited in the colonies after WW2.
Looks like Chinese government believes these people could cause just as much harm if they aren't isolated.
Mass killings and organ harvesting are probably another blatant lie. Remember when USA invaded Iraq to because of chemical weapons, that were never actually found? Thousands of innocent people killed, raped, tortured by US soldiers all because of a lie.
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That's the best made up thing I've read today, thanks for the most laughs. I'm sure all the Russian "history" books you've read said the gulags in Siberia were full of sunshine and happiness and Stalin did nothing wrong.
Conditions at the Gulag were brutal: Prisoners could be required to work up to 14 hours a day, often in extreme weather. Many died of starvation, disease or exhaustion—others were simply executed. The atrocities of the Gulag system have had a long-lasting impact that still permeates Russian society today.
I'm sure that every American prison is much worse than that.
A blatant lie supported by every human rights organization in every country? Yeah I'm sure your Chinese history books will say how much everyone enjoyed their time on those labor camps and how it was merely funny how some people never came back or they tortured themselves in their cell.
Yes I do remember that and that's the only thing you're right about. That just puts USA in the same group as China and Russia. You already forgot I brought up the use of nuclear weapons as the single most horrible thing in history. That still doesn't mean their prisons or detention centers for illegal invaders are as bad as Russian or Chinese labor camps. It just means that the people ruling USA have huge investments in both weapons and oil industry so they need to use their military to attack other countries that have oil.
If Germany had won the war, you would be here saying how nothing bad happened in their camps and no Jews ever even lived there. That's exactly the same as defending Russia and China for their atrocities that are public knowledge outside their own propaganda that you seem to believe.Would you go that far?
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Gulags were harsh measures for the harsh times, but not nearly as bad as depicted in Western propaganda. here was a Cold War (and there is geopolitical tesion still up to this point), so everything you hear about USSR becomes biased. When money and power are involved, truth becomes twisted in any way it's needed for the moment.
Yes, and America has won Cold War, so now they can freely spread their version without alternative point of view. Even modern Russian government helps them, because it's better to depict communism as evil so people won't rebel against russian capitalists.
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So German concentration camps were harsh measures for the harsh times as well? You do realize that I live nowhere near USA nor do I give any value to their propaganda, exactly same as Chinese or Russian propaganda that you seem to take as word of god.
I live in Finland, that small country your beloved Soviet Union tried to invade and we kicked their ass. That and the long history of them using us as their colony give us full first hand experience of things. We had some of our soldiers sent to Siberia as POVs come back and report how things are, so unlike you I don't need to believe anything, we know fully well. There is also a reason why our press in where it is on this list: https://rsf.org/en/ranking
Communism is pure evil just like capitalism, there is absolutely nothing good in either. Both are just systems to make the 1% have more power and get richer at the cost of everyone else. Only difference is that in communism the 1% is the political elite who control everything including corporations with an iron fist. In capitalism the 1% are the financial elite who control everything including the government with the power of money. USA's 2 party system is just one step above the communist 1 party system, but neither are actually working political systems.
Wake up and see the reality, Soviet Union collapsed exactly because communism just doesn't work and USA is a uncivilized backwater country with very little human rights or real democracy. Neither of them or China are countries in which anyone sane would even want to live.
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Western mass culture, starting from the second half of the XXth century, is full of anti-russian propaganda. It's a dominant culture, co you cannot hide from it even under a rock.
Speaking of Finland. During during Russian Civil war, they took an opportunity - invaded and seized a big part of Russian territory. During WW2 they sided with Hitler and again invaded Soviet Union. In my hometown there were several Finnish concentration camps, my relatives died there. So yes, your soldiers were sent to labor camps to rebuild what they destroyed. At least the soldiers were grownup men, unlike children and women in Finnish concentration camps.
Communism has more to do with means of production and economical relations. It's a hypothetical state of sciety that was never achieved.
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And Russian culture is full of nothing but lies. Believe all you want anything else. There is no need to make up propaganda about Russia because it's all very true. The lies are on Russian side trying to desperately hide facts that everyone else knows already.
Yes, out history clearly admits we had those camps too and how they were like. Yours tries to deny all the horrors Russia has done over and over again. Huge difference there. Finland invaded Russia? Have you ever heard of the Soviet Union where Russia took over the Eastern half of Europe? And how are you comparing that to us taking a small bit of land AFTER your Russia had tried to invade us. You started it, we won it and kicked your ass and turned the tide. It all happened during the war Russia started
Communism has to do with 1 political party having all control and everyone else suffering. Anything else is nonsensical fantasy that has never happened in reality.
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Your head is full of lies, that's why your cannot see the truth even it's shown to you. Also the fact that your country had personal grudge against USSR makes your opinion a little subjective, don't you think? Even with Nazi war machine at your side you lost the war, that makes people a little bitter.
Civil War was earlier, so if you want to play the game "who did it first", it was Finland who started aggression against SU.
Yup, people who were getting free houses, education and medical care clearly were suffering. USSR also set an example in labor rights, limiting working day to 8 hours, introducing paid vacations and paid sick days, equal payment for men and women.
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Yeah right. Please show me one ex-Soviet country that wasn't much better off after they got rid of their Soviet overlords? Even one that wasn't under horrible tyrannical rule with no human rights in Soviet times? Why is it that Eastern Europe is so much poorer and in worse shape than West?
OK, if you believe that complete BS that couple million farmers with no weapons decided to invade Russia, you really are beyond all hope and reason. Or then you're one of those trolls paid by Putin to spam your Russian lies.
Free houses :D Education :D Medical care :D You really imagined anyone got those in Soviet Russia? Keep on dreaming buddy.
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Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan,Tajikistan, Turkmeistan - just to name a few. In Eastern Germany people still fondly remember soviet times, there's even a term "ostalgie".
Why do Eastern European countries live poorer? Maybe because they didn't have colonies to rob? Even after the fall of colonial system, the colonies stay economically dependent from metropoly.
I didn't say they invaded the whole Russia, but they bit off a part of it when opportunity arised. It's amusing to see how enraged you get from simple historical facts.
Well, myself for example, and all my neighbours, relatives and friends.
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Fondly remember :D Wake up, nobody at all wants back to those days except Russia. Where are you getting this crap even? From your Putinstory classes in school? Or could you not afford that and still are reading Stalinstories? None of that is actual history, just full propaganda to mask the horrors. Bedtime stories you can tell your kids about how the great evil Democratic Freedom is coming to get your if you say bad things about your illustrious leader. But it's not the West that will come, it's FSB and you'll end up in one of those gulags you so seem to love, because concentration camps are "necessary".
Maybe because they were the colonies of Soviet Russia that got robbed, duh.
Enraged? Where did I get enraged, I get amused greatly from your total lack of historic facts. You claimed we attacked first. Let's see how that happened. First you claim we shot over the border with a cannon to signal that we're going to invade. Then we went back home to do nothing at all to wait for Russian forces to invade instead of us being the invaders. Makes perfect sense in Russian propaganda I guess.
Yeah right. You do realize that we had lots of trade and people traveling to Russia after the war? We saw fully well how they didn't even have food in the shops. And tourists made a small fortune trading basic things everyone had even in poor Finland to be able to live like royalty because everything was so dirt cheap in your 3rd world country. We don't need propaganda, we still know fully well and have seen everything with our own eyes.
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Looks like you're beyond help, lost in your fantasies. You're seem to battle an imaginary opponent, reacting to the words I've never written and conveniently not reading what I actually wrote. I'll kindly abstain from further discussion before you have a seizure or something.
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So you're calling yourself imaginary now? I guess that's the level of facts in your Soviet fantasies so it fits. Did you not realize that I have been only making fun of a little Putler troll? Since that's the only thing you are, getting paid all those sweet rubles that are worthless to spam your lies. Maybe if you save your salary for a year you can afford to buy some butter on top of you bread. And Finnish butter for that matter, because every Russian knows it's of much higher quality than the fake poisonous food your country produces and allows scammers to sell to people.
What does your Soviet fairy tales say was the reason Soviet Union fell apart? Was it because the big bad West did bad things to it? Or was it the fact that communism never works and dies on its own?
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How to mix EU/NA and Asian markets in a card game:
Bad:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2466365-Jaina-portrait-changed-to-appease-the-chinese-rules
Good:
https://dotesports.com/mtg/news/japanese-alt-art-war-of-the-spark-planeswalkers-coming-to-mtg-arena
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Epic is partially owned by Chinese company as well as Activision Blizzard. Source: Wikipedia
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arena is the worst game ever. i play real card version for over 28-29 years and mtgo for over 4 years but arena is far away behind those game
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LOL, so paying thousands every year to just have a meta deck is better than getting tons of cards for free? And playing MS Excel is better than having an actual GUI that looks nice? Or are you just referring to you not being able to show off your 28 years worth of cards and beating new kids in Vintage because they have no chance if they're not rich?
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i see why its hard for you to understand lol with ur low iq lol so let me explain a litle bit more.
money mean nothing because a 40$ deck can own a 15 000$ deck because its all related to skill and combo. u dont need a damn black lotus for winning a game or mox lol
mtgo is fun because u have access to all card and the price is pretty cheap. if you buy the first package u get 10 free token and u can buy a lot of nice card so yeah u dont need more
arena is bad because everyone own the same fucking card and play the same card. so where is the fucking skill? its all related to luck not skill.
the lack of card don't really help so at the end if you play black you build life and deathtouch deck ... if you play white you play life deck. if u play blue u play flying deck and if u play green you play with big monster
ofc you need to mix different color for your combo because you have no choice but in mtgo u dont need because in every color you have everything needed flying,heal and big monster and token
where is the multi player in arena? i like big game like free for all or team 2 vs 2 but we can't
so yeah arena is the kid version of magic
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Yeah right my IQ is low because I like fun more than boring, that must be it.
Pretty cheap, oh 10 free tokens gets you a ton of Vintage packs I'm sure. Yet people spend thousands on MTGO just like paper even if it's marginally cheaper. Who cares about spending thousands on all cards when you can have a fun rotating and ever changing format like Standard instead of stale crap that requires you to own those $$$$ cards to have a chance or fun.
So now skill is owning all the cards, so you mean high IQ is all about pure Pay2Win with no skill involved. Everyone having equal access to cards is exactly when only skill matters.
You like big games, I would hate all that crap. Brawls, commanders, cubes, the only point for those is to make the boring stale Vintage format even a bit exciting. Standard doesn't need any of that crap since it changes 4 times a year naturally.
So yeah you're just wrong and Arena is the best version of Magic, cheap, fun and playable unlike Online. Hearthstone did at least one thing right in showing how to make a client while Online got nobody new to magic, only the same whales spending thousands on paper already got to buy all their cards another time.
Kids can be right too grumpy grandpa, even if you played with some pieces of paper back in the war time.
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so you cry because u have no money and u cannot win a mtgo game? lol
i told you ... you need skill and not money.
i use a commun deck with maybe 2-3 rare with max value of 0.80$ each rare lol so stop talking about money if you are skilless
10 tokken = 10$ and the price is like 12x more cheaper than card paper
take a look https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Throne+of+Eldraine/Acclaimed+Contender#paper
you see 0.02$ a damn rare card and mtgo give you 10$ dont tell me u cannot build a decend deck with that lol
you dont buy booster pack but individual card
arena is the best version if u are skilless lol thats what i'm saying from the start .... u dont need to think about combo or everything because everything is already set with color
ho and i forgot mtgo you can get a lot of free card every day/week and month with bot (commun/uncommun and rare)
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No, you cry because you can't justify having spent all that money with anything other than sunken cost fallacy. I have absolutely no interest in spending any money on something I would have no fun with.
So you're poor and can't afford more than $0.80 cards and pretend to have fun winning 1 in 8 games just because that's how much you win with any working deck just because the opponent is screwed or flooded.
You take a look at https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/vintage#paper . Then tell me how many $40 decks do you see on the right that list the winning decks? Sure you can save money by playing the same $7k Dredge that everyone else is playing as well if you can't afford the better $30-40k decks pros and rich people play. Then we look at https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2327520#paper to see that the cheap deck only costs $350 Online. That's $350 spent on single cards to play just 1 deck, while on Arena that $350 guarantees you can play almost any deck you want for a year or couple. I have 0 interest in playing the same deck over and over when I can switch from RDW to Esper control whenever I want.
Arena is the best version if you have more skill than money which is proven by lots of people who quit paper magic ages ago now coming back because of it. They never went to Online because it's just more of the same with a clunky and ugly UI. If you're having fun with playing $0.80 cards against $40 cards, that's just you.
On Arena you get much more cards for free and can make a new top meta deck every now and then to keep it interesting, all this for free. And the wild card system guarantees you're not depending on luck to have that one in the million chance that your free cards are actually useful or spending $$$ to buy the single cards.
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wtf? i cry because i cannot justify ...? wake up dude lol i hate arena mtgo forever or paper card lol do you see me crying ?
winning 1 on 8 game wft? thats the ratio i lose normaly with my 10$ deck on mtgo or my 40$ paper deck lol .... why do you think i'm using common card? u guys are all the same bitching because u cannot win and saying yeah you use few hundred money card. its all related to the combo (SKILL) and it is funny because even in arena i see a lot of player using 1-2 deck combo thats all then they stop playing because they are loosing after 4-5 turn lol
my 10$ deck from mtgo i mostly play modern with 89 cards and i use over 60 combo and most of time i win a 1 vs 3 in less of 10 turn. 1 vs 1 i need around 4 turn for winning (infinit life, infinit token,infinit creature steal, infinit turn) i have all those combo for any kind of deck my opponent use. 1 card can be used for over 8 different combo thats how i play.
i guess u didnt play mtgo for a long time because the ui has changed a while ago lol it look more like arena now.
tell me how can u get more card with arena when u are limited to what 7-8 different booster thats all? lol
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WTF right back at you, do you see me crying either? You just get back what you bring to the table.
I'm not bitching at all that I can't win if you bother to read. I'm winning a lot and I like it. Combo is pure luck, not skill. It requires 0 skill to just draw the right cards you know.
If you're happy with playing one $10 deck ever then that's great for you. I and many others would never be. I can play 10-20 different tier 1 meta decks if I want without any problems while you're stuck with your 1 tier 3 deck, huge difference.
I haven't ever played MTGO and I can see the current UI on streams, but it still looks so horrible I can't even bear watching it. It doesn't look anything like Arena at all unless you're blind or watching from very far away. Why would I need to get more cards that I don't want on Arena ever? You're limited to Standard sets obviously before Historic comes, but I can get a new set 4 times a year just like everyone else.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-bant-lands#online
Most popular Standard deck Online would cost $340, while on Arena you can get it for free if you have the skills.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-jeskai-fires-superfriends#online
Or just $270 for #2 popular.
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ho i see thats the problem ... you always go with meta deck because u cannot build ur own combo lol u need someone else to teach you the good combo lol i see now why u prefer arena xd
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The problem is that I like decks that win the most? Yeah that sure does sound like a problem. You and your silly combo $10 combo deck, no wonder you're too ashamed to show it on the Arena because you would just keep losing. Your only hope is to play it on super expensive Online so your opponents can't afford good decks either. Now it all makes sense why you prefer the ugly and clunky UI to far superior pretty and streamlined.
How does it feel playing the same deck over and over and over? I would get bored in a day if I couldn't afford to have several decks, but you seem to be having fun so great for you.
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there is no deck that win the most ... thats what you dont understand lol why you think people keep changing deck? because they combo won't work against a certain kind of deck so ofc if you play only with 3-4 combo in your whole deck you are screwed.
thats why i use soo many different combo so i dont give a fuck about who i'm fighting because i know i can counter him no problem and thats the reason why i prefer free for all because its more fun :) more challenge
"no wonder you're too ashamed to show it on the Arena because you would just keep losing"
lol? i would but this isnt my problem if arena suck lol they have no card from my deck except land xd maybe because arena is limited to 8 set only and not even full set because full set include 302-449 cards per set and we are far away from this number in arena :P
here a list of all magic set xd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_sets
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you ask me how i feel always playing the same deck is similar to how do you feel always playing magic arena lol ... i play for fun like you xd
1 deck or 10 deck won't matter because i play for fun and this isnt boring because your opponent always use different tactic so no game is similar but i guess you cannot understand this kind of basic stuff lol
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I understand having fun perfectly well, which is exactly why I've never played paper or Online, because those just aren't worth the price tag. You should watch some streams to find out that most pros prefer Arena as well mainly because nobody wants to watch Online.
You do realize that all MPL and other top players copy most decks from each other? One comes up with a new innovation and then everyone else starts playing it if it works well. None of them see anything wrong in this since that's the way that allows them to win the most. They don't come to tournaments with their fun meme combo deck that just doesn't win games, which is why the list of winning decks in all tournaments look pretty much the same. If they aren't using the top meta decks, they are using something that's teched to beat exactly those.
So yeah, who doesn't understand basic stuff? Maybe it's because you're on the basic level and I'm on the pro level of having fun.
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There exactly are decks that win the most, it's all proven by statistics if numbers aren't too hard for you. I keep changing because I feel like playing different things at different times. Now I might want to play full aggro, in the evening I want full control and tomorrow I want mid-range. Also changing decks based on what others are playing is one of the basics of winning games, which seems to be an alien concept to you.
Combo combo combo, is that all you can talk about? Have you ever even tried playing anything other than your 1 combo?
Yes that is called Standard, the most popular MTG format there is. Nobody but you wants to pay $7-40k for the vintage deck, why are you having such a hard time understanding this? And nobody else thinks their $10 combo deck beats even that $7k Dredge, that's why you never see such decks anywhere in tournaments.
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lol?
"Also changing decks based on what others are playing is one of the basics of winning games, which seems to be an alien concept to you"
can you explain pls how the hell can you change deck during a game? your opponent is random so you have no idea what kind of deck u gonna fight. you never played paper deck and you talk like if you were a pro loll all you do is trash talking based on video lol
the most tournament format is sealed not standard so you should stop watching some useless video from standars tournament when the most played in france/canada and usa is booster draft lol
https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/formats
"Yes that is called Standard, the most popular MTG format there is. Nobody but you wants to pay $7-40k for the vintage deck, why are you having such a hard time understanding this? And nobody else thinks their $10 combo deck beats even that $7k Dredge, that's why you never see such decks anywhere in tournaments. "
wtf? even in standard i see a lot of 100$ deck lol like julien berteaux
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/mythic-championship-1-cleveland#paper
where is ur 7-8k deck in standard? xd
here again 500$ deck own a 1250$ deck xd
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/rivals-of-ixalan-rptq-decklists-rotterdam#paper
or this one ... 31$ paper deck standard ended 8th
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1676357#paper
i hope one day u can understand this ... the value of your deck mean nothing lol you can have a 8000$ deck but without good combo and tactic u gonna loose against a 30$ deck :) we call this to be smart COMBO
magic isnt a pitching random card game on the table you need skill or you gonna loose no matter the value of your deck
i understand now why you are soo trash lol u take your tips from twitch lol when the real pro play international and not on twitch xd
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During a game? Who was talking about that? Do you just play 1 game per day ever? Clearly you don't understand how the metagame works, where people are playing certain decks a lot more than others.
What video from what tournament have I been watching?
You're the one who says Vintage is the only format anyone should play, I was the one saying Standard is much more fun. So don't suddenly reverse it. Standard has plenty of cheap fun decks to play and they change 4 times a year, not be always be just the exact same $7-30k decks.
Good combo ... so yeah combo is the only word you seem to understand from MTG. Useless to talk to you about anything else. You don't need any combo at all to win games you know. You can just hit them in the face with Red Deck Wins for example.
You need skill to win yes and you seem to lack this skill, you can only hope your $10 deck wins by opponent having a horrible draw. You seem to imagine the only skill involved is drawing combo cards, instead of realizing that the skill begins with crafting the deck that doesn't need to have any combos at all to work well.
I'm trash, yeah right. You don't even have any clue who is streaming on Twitch, like multiple times world champions, other top MPL pros and lots more. Yet some trash noob with a $10 combo deck knows better than them. How long have you been part of MPL? Have you ever even heard of it?
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Let's give you some lists so you can come out of your cave to the real world where others are playing Arena.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_World_Championship
5/5 of last world champions are playing on Arena and streaming it on Twitch.
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/2019_Magic_Pro_League_season
At least 16/32 of MPL members are playing on Arena and streaming it on Twitch based on the names I recognize, could be more.
All this because Arena just is so much better and more fun to play than Online or Paper. So until you show me how many tournament top 8s you have over the 28 years (doesn't sound very plausible at this point any more) of playing Magic I got so bored of your combo combo combo that you can talk alone. Have as much fun doing that as losing with your $10 Vintage deck. :P
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wow dude stop the use of drug lol first of all i never talked about vintage lol because i never played vintage xddd i play modern or commander
"During a game? Who was talking about that? Do you just play 1 game per day ever? Clearly you don't understand how the metagame works, where people are playing certain decks a lot more than others."
are you trying to tell me you always fight the same guys non stop? lol i guess the people on arena is pretty low then lol because i never fight the same guys 2 time in a row when i play on mtgo or paper card
i dont watch video lol i participate too few tournament in my area.
"You don't need any combo at all to win games you know. You can just hit them in the face with Red Deck Wins for example. "
i am pretty sure with this kind of mentality you lose 3/4 of time thats maybe why you always switch deck xd
for you magic is only a pitching card game lol and lucky draw thats it
"You need skill to win yes and you seem to lack this skill, you can only hope your $10 deck wins by opponent having a horrible draw"
lol? 10$ on mtgo = around 100$ paper maybe more ho yes i guess during my 3 vs 1 all my opponent have horrible draw everytime lolllll
pro tour is a event not the biggest world championship lollll so what you are happy because the last 5 looser from semi pro play on arena? xd
"All this because Arena just is so much better and more fun to play than Online or Paper. "
u dream hard lol not because few hot player play for fun that mean they will stop playing paper lol. if what u are saying is true then we should not see those name in the next pro tour or the biggest tournament grand prix :) you really think those guys will stop playing tournament for a game similar to magic? lol yeah i said similar because magic is a way more than arena :) arena is for beginner and magic for real player or more advanced.
https://www.nerdmuch.com/games/160882/mtg-arena-vs-mtgo/
look at bottom of the page
"Ultimately, if you are a new or casual player, you enjoy playing tabletop and video games, or you just generally love the game magic, you should check out arena.
If you're an OG or a pro, into more competitive play, powerful format, and expensive card, then you're probably better off staying on MTGO"
you remember what i was saying at the beginning? arena = kid version ;)
i dont know how you can say arena is a way much better when you never played paper or mtgo lolll i really think i hurt your feeling when i talk about your favorite kid game lol
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Still not even reading any of your noob crap where you pretend you know anything better than 5 world champions. Have fun with your crappy $10 deck :P
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lol crappy when u dont have an idea what kind of deck i use loll dont be upset kid because i popeped your bubble with your supposed pro lol
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Still not even reading any of your noob crap where you pretend you know anything better than 5 world champions. Have fun with your crappy $10 deck :P
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Feeling bit charitable after a nice lunch, so I will give you a little tip about how totally wrong you are.
https://www.twitch.tv/martinjuza
Martin Jůza is a Czech professional player. He has four Pro Tour top eights, but has experienced the most success on the Grand Prix stage, winning five events in a total of 32 top eight appearances, making him the player with the most Grand Prix top eights in the history of the game, tied with Shuhei Nakamura. In 2017, he was voted into the Hall of Fame
William "Huey" Jensen is an American professional player and former World Champion, having won the 2017 World Championship. He also won Pro Tour Boston 2003 alongside teammates Brock Parker and Matt Linde, and has finished in the top eight of four additional Pro Tours. He also has 25 Grand Prix top eights, including six wins. In 2013, he was voted into the Hall of Fame. He is the current record holder of most Grand Prix top eight finishes within a single season, with eight in 2013–14.
https://www.twitch.tv/reiderrabbit
Reid Duke is an American professional player from Sugar Loaf, New York. He won the Magic Online Championship in 2011. He has four Pro Tour top eight finishes, at PT Journey into Nyx, PT Eldritch Moon, PT Rivals of Ixalan, and Mythic Championship Cleveland 2019. Other results include a runner-up finish at the 2013 World Championships as well as wins at GP Nashville 2012, GP Miami 2013, GP Portland 2014, GP Oakland 2016, GP Louisville 2017, and GP Cleveland 2017.
Just couple examples of people who you're claiming don't understand anything at all about Magic because a total trash noob with a $10 deck claims so. And you really expect anyone to take you seriously? :D
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seriously you dont even read and you start imagining full of shit so show me when i said pro player was trash? i said YOU ARE TRASH lol can't make difference between them and you?
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No you said nobody but kids plays Arena or streams it on Twitch and I'm trash because I listen to people who have won Pro Tours, Grand Prixes and World + Mythic Championships rather than a random noob on a forum with a $10 deck.
Can you make a difference between the real world and inside of your own head? Real world is the place where people play Arena and stream it on Twitch. Inside your head is the place where everyone only ever plays $10 decks on Online.
So now you got so angry because it was you all along who was living inside a bubble and it got burst. Want me to provide more of these people who know about billion times more about Magic than you ever will? Here we go
Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa is a Brazilian professional Magic player. He was the 2016–17 Player of the Year, and with twelve Pro Tour top eights to his name, including wins at PT San Juan 2010 and at PT Hour of Devastation, Damo da Rosa is one of the most successful Magic players of all time.
https://www.twitch.tv/andreamengucci
Andrea Mengucci is an Italian professional player. He first came to prominence when he as a relatively unknown player successfully defended the "King of the Hill"-seat for the first seven rounds of Pro Tour Journey into Nyx, ultimately finishing sixth in the event. He later won the 2015 World Magic Cup as a member of the Italian national team. In 2016 he finished runner-up at Pro Tour Shadows over Innistrad, and after posting another World Magic Cup top eight appearance at the 2017 World Magic Cup, he finished eighth at Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan. He captained Italy to a fourth straight WMC top eight finish at the 2018 World Magic Cup. He also produces content, in the form of articles and videos, for ChannelFireball. In December 2018, it was announced that Mengucci would be one of the 32 players joining the upcoming 2019 Magic Pro League
https://www.twitch.tv/bmkibler
Brian Kibler is an american Game Designer and member of the Hall of Fame after being inducted in 2010. He has won two Pro Tours and placed in the Top 8 of three other Pro Tours. He has also three wins in thirteen Top 8 finishes at the Grand Prix level to his name.
These are the people you are actually calling trash and kids, Hall of Famers who play Arena because it's the most fun you can have with Magic. You're still claiming they know nothing at all and you know everything better because your crappy $10 deck has a combo in it. Nobody at all can take you seriously, get it finally.
You're the only trash here, do everyone a favor and throw yourself in the bin already. Or tell us where you are on the Magic Hall of Fame list? Where are you on these lists:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/top-players/statistics/top-8-by-player
https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/top-players/statistics/gp-top-8-by-player
i understand now why you are soo trash lol u take your tips from twitch lol when the real pro play international and not on twitch xd
Apparently being hired by WotC and earning hundreds of thousands playing pro Magic don't make you a real pro, having a combo in a crappy $10 deck does.
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I'd say something relevant but I'm a casual yugioh player so this is just interesting to read
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Where are you playing, this https://store.steampowered.com/app/601510/YuGiOh_Duel_Links/ or something else?
MTGA is perfect for F2P casuals as well as pros if you want to try it out.
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Eh, I don't really play yugioh too much anymore. I might try mtga, or other mtg online game, but I've sorta been off actually play ccg/tcgs. I played yugioh duel links cause I was bored, but it's too different from real yugioh to actually enjoy :/ I just ended up not having that much fun despite having the game open for 100 hours.
If I did choose a yugioh game to play, it'd be like duelingbook or ygopro
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arena pro? lol this kid think arena is for pro because he NEVER played real magic lol arena is the only game he know thats it
because 5 good players play arena he think this is the best game ever when paper card is played by over 5000 pro lol same for mtgo
there isnt no challenge on arena because of the lack of card so overyone play the same damn card lol
i didnt know world championship was on arena o_0 i may sleep more smart tonight xdddddd
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So why are all those pros playing on Arena then? You just haven't told them not to yet? "Over 5000 pro" yeah right. Please show me the list of these 5000 pros? 5 good players, you mean several of the best players ever? Who cares what some "pro" plays who hasn't ever won anything, except you. I guess a "pro" to you means someone who has ever won some "tournament" with their friends, just like you. To anyone else it means people who are paid to play Magic and earn their living from it.
arena is the worst game ever. i play real card version for over 28-29 years and mtgo for over 4 years but arena is far away behind those game
I should have realized to not believe a word you say when you claimed to have played Magic for 29 years and all you have to show for it is $40 worth of cards. That alone makes you the one who doesn't understand a single thing about Magic. Like it only having been around for 26 years. If you actually had started playing in Alpha, you would have $40k Black Lotuses you bought for that $10 a piece. So please make up more lies for me to laugh at. :D
Released in 1993 by Wizards of the Coast
I have never played paper or Online because they are a huge hassle and cost a ton, which you would know if you had ever actually played and I'm not a little kid like you buying $10 worth of cards and then playing that same deck for all eternity. One day when you grow up you can afford to buy a real deck and then you can have something better to talk about Magic than just repeating combo combo combo.
Mythic Championships are on Arena which you would also already know if you even played the game. https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/premierplay/mythicseries/2019MC5
Three days, $750,000 in prize money, and 68 of the world’s very best competitors face off in Magic: The Gathering Arena at Mythic Championship V!
Follow live video coverage of Mythic Championship V on twitch.tv/magic!
Should I believe WotC and 68 of the BEST players or some random noob on a forum, difficult to decide. Maybe you should send an angry email to WotC and tell them nobody but trash kids plays on Arena or streams on Twitch explaining that you know their own game better than them because your $10 deck has a combo! :P
And you really should at least learn to write before pretending to be an adult. <--- This is how adults write.
lol xxxdd me noob me lol xxdd <--- This is how kids like you write.
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"So why are all those pros playing on Arena then?"
well maybe for the the money? lol
"Over 5000 pro" yeah right. Please show me the list of these 5000 pros?"
ok let's start with this https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/top-players/statistics/2017-18-leaderboard
these link didnt includes those tournament Mythic Invitational, Mythic Championship/Pro Tour Team Series, Grand Prix amateur awards, Masters Series, Players Championship, Magic Online Championship, Pro Players Club appearance fees, Player of the Year end-of-year payouts, Continental Championships, the 1996 Pro Tour Atlanta Team Challenge, the 2000 Team Challenge, and the 1996 Type 1 Pro Tour.
sorry to pop your bubble but the proof you know notthing about real magic ... its sad you realy think magic is composed of 2 championship only when its full everywhere so yeah 500 is a easy number google it all of them and look the top 100 or top 200 as you wish
" If you actually had started playing in Alpha, you would have $40k Black Lotuses you bought for that $10 a piece. So please make up more lies for me to laugh at. :D"
what wrong with you seriously? i started at 6-7 years old lol i stoped playing with pugs for magic so you really think all old players own a black lotus when the number of black lotus printed is 1100? how many players has started playing mtg at the beginning? how many of them own few black lotus? lol if i listen you i should go buy a loto ticket lol i'll won for sure xdddd
you are too young to understand something .... when i started playing mtg the booster price was 7.99 in video store but 7.99$ its like 20$ today so ofc a yougn boy can spent so much money without working lollll all you do is showing how dumb you are kid lol so pls dont proove me again your low iq lol
"I have never played paper or Online because they are a huge hassle and cost a ton"
well mtgo you spent 4$ for the game and you get 10 tokken (value of 10$) with those tokken you can build easy 5-6 deck because the price on mtgo is 12/15x more cheaper than paper so 10$ on mtgo = around 120-150$ paper but i understand its too much costly for a kid like you lol low baller is everywhere why spent 4 buck when you can play the kid game for free? xd
"Mythic Championships are on Arena which you would also already know if you even played the game. "
mythic was first on paper then on arena so what are you trying to say? scroll up i said I DIDNT KNOW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WAS ON ARENA so for you mythic is world championship? that what you trying to tell me? lol
"And you really should at least learn to write before pretending to be an adult"
ho sorry if my first language isnt english :)
je peux parler francais si tu prefere :)
baka magsalita ako ng tagalog or tagalog?
just tell me wich one you prefer lol
my english is maybe poor but you cannot even read correctly in your main language world championship and mythic is totaly different word lollll
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j'ai jamais vu un moineau dans ton genre de toute ma vie serieux lol la seul chose que tu fais c'est de montrer a quel point tu es ignorant
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Yeah keep on making lies, only ignorant people believe anything you say any more.
Top players aren't the same thing as pros. You're still not getting that to be a pro, you have to be paid for it. Not just take part in couple of tournaments. When you do well enough in those, you might get a chance to go pro.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/pro-players-club
All explained there, the 20+ people with 52+ points can be considered to be kind of semi-pro already.
I'm too young? I could've started playing in 1995 when I first saw Magic cards sold and I was an adult even back then, unlike you're now. But it wasn't worth spending thousands on back then, it's not worth it now. You claim you started playing a game that was not publicly available as a 6yo, makes perfect sense
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Prices
In 1995 booster pack price was $2.95 and I don't think even your CAD was that low vs USD was it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/42goau/mtg_products_are_so_expensive_in_canada_now/
They were only $4.99 there 3 years ago and their price has gone up over time, not down.
Alpha was released at Origins in July/August 1993 with a small run of 2.6 million cards. Cards were sold in 60-card starter decks and 15-card boosters. The set did not receive much exposure beyond the west coast of the United States.
So you were a 6yo French kid who lived in western USA to be able to play Alpha but didn't learn any English who still played a game only available in English. Makes perfect sense right? Do you really imagine anyone believes this?
MTGO you spend $10 on the game and receive all commons and those 10 tokens don't give you shit except couple drafts. $10 on Arena is $1000 on MTGO or $10k on paper.
So now suddenly World Championship means something to you? Before the people winning them were total trash kids to you. Try to pick one and stick with it.
How exactly is English my main language and what does your English skills have to do with you writing like a 10yo kid? Your English is just fine, but as a kid you don't get even the point of how adults write. Protip: it's not with xxdd lol xxfdd lol no matter what the language.
So keep on making up lies in desperate attempts to save your face. I'll make some popcorn to be better prepared to laugh at what you come up with next. :D
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If a minority shareholding makes them owners, does that mean they also "own" Activision—Blizzard, Paradox, Frontier, and UbiSoft? Because they also have shares in those companies.
Heck, your argument also means that it is not even Tencent owning those companies but Naspers from South Africa, as they are the biggest shareholders in Tencent.
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In 2001, Naspers made an early and successful investment of US$32 million in Tencent. As of 2018, Naspers had approximately a 31% stake in Tencent, and is its largest shareholder
One of those "let's buy 10% of Microsoft or Apple with a keg of beer" kind of deals.
Here's something they actually own, the king of mobile F2P scams: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-supercell-m-a-tencent-holdings/chinas-tencent-buys-clash-of-clans-maker-supercell-for-8-6-billion-idUSKCN0Z716E
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count nba in
and american diplomas wife who killed kid in GB and fled to usa to avoid consequences
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They are protecting their own soldiers and their commanders too who have committed far worse crimes than driving over a single kid from all international justice, since obviously only American lives ever matter.
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but not the kurds who didnt help in normandy
poland did help and was left for ruskies to ravage
im so lost here
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If you check how they have worked through history, they have always picked an ally to fight some enemy, then after they have won made an enemy out of that ally and allied with their enemy. Germany is a problem? Let's ally with the Soviet Union! Wait, Soviet Union is far worse than nazi Germany, let's start a cold war with them! Some dictator in a remote country is a problem? Let's fund, arm and train the rebels in that country! Wait, the rebels who got in power are far worse tyrants, let's pick another group and repeat the cycle. All this to make a dollar selling more and more weapons. And of course their former ally Soviet Union keeps making rubles selling their weapons to the other side.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/34978.html
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On other news, Google joined to show support for Chinese government: https://thenextweb.com/asia/2019/10/10/google-hong-kong-protest-game/
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On other news, this is what China imagines is damaging their image the most: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/business/china-blows-whistle-on-nationalist-protests-against-the-nba.html
After three days of fanning nationalistic outrage, the Chinese government abruptly moved on Thursday to tamp down public anger at the N.B.A. as concerns spread in Beijing that the rhetoric was damaging China’s interests and image around the world.
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https://www.nerfnow.com/comic/2647
https://cad-comic.com/comic/weak-hand/
Doesn't seem to be long until all webcomics are banned in China.
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Social experiment
Its a very interesting topic but I want to share that I've pre-ordered Detroit: Become Human (try to guess where)
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Hong Kong? :P
At least it's a Sony game and not a Blizzard game, so you're fine.
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Many others seem to like it too based on the number of entries.
I wonder how much money South Park lost getting banned there. My guess would be $300k. :)
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You could write an essay using some of the comment threads in here
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I mean, as a fun way to get Blizzard pressured? Sure.
But given the voice actress' general lack of concern (at least on her publicly viewable account), it kinda goes against all that.
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Her voice isn't used in any of this is it? Just the pictures of the character and as a Chinese person she has to live in very real fear of her government if she acts against them. "the few bad people who break the law" is exactly their government who she says don't represent China. So a clever way of saying they are the criminals they look like to everyone else too.
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Here's something that we never should forget, Mei from Overwatch is the most devoted supporter of freedom for Hong Kong.
Mei also knows that Taiwan is the real China, the other one is a mongol impostor.
https://youtu.be/wt9_6lE2UTo?t=891
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