'Why would anyone buy from steam anymore?'
'is there really any other reason on why to purchase games on Steam? (steam keys not counted)'
The goalposts, they've been fired from the surface of earth to the end of the universe at light speed!
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I mean they do, they're on Steam and its one of if not the biggest advantages of Steam. If Steam didn't exist you wouldn't have these keys circulating on Humble or any of the other sites. You may not directly go onto the Steam storefront to buy them, but without it you wouldn't have the Steam keys to buy.
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In that case I'd say that there are games which are not available on other platforms or are not available at a reasonable price in comparision as their sales can be even worse than Steam and that there are games which can't be easily acquired as a key such as Rimworld.
Though I will admit there's a real issue with developers making their own pricing on the Steam store unattractive, and whether games end up being far cheaper as a key is down to how the developer distributes those keys. Since no other site is as permissive with keys seperate to their storefront Steam is an outlier, developers for the most part are trying to shift as many copies as they want by selling on third party sites or putting the games in bundles.
I'd say for a large amounts of games the way Steam has operated has meant that direct Steam store purchases have been made obselete. But there's still some out there which is enough for me to still buy some things directly as well as stuff which doesn't get released on other storefronts, and if I don't want to wait until they've put the game in a bundle or offloaded a ton of keys to a third party site I have to buy direct. I guess its like the difference between buying a game on release and waiting until the next sale, and whether thats worth it to you is down to how enthusiastic you are for the game.
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^this. If a game turns out to be not what you were expecting the refund on steam is nice.
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I think if you want to support the game maker, it helps them if you to buy on steam and leave a positive review. Apparently the review tally on Steam store page only take into account purchases through steam directly. And game ratings on Steam, being the major distribution platform, matters a lot to a game's sale. I read that from a apiece written by a game developer somewhere... Can't remember where now.
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I believe review bombing is exactly why Steam only count direct Steam purchases in their review score calculation, for better or for worse.
How much does review influence a game's sale is a legit question. I'm sure there are many influences in a game's sale. But there must be a reason why that game developer preferred players to buy via Steam and leave the review, even though Steam gives the developers lower cut in revenue.
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Yes it does. I have purchased games that i wanted after reading the reviews. And i also have not purchased games that i wanted and was about to do so, until i checked the reviews.
Also i have bought games after reading the review that were not on even on my radar.
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Steam User reviews are the only reviews that warn people about undesirable post-launch changes. Like a developers sticking microtransactions in after launch. Often in the form of a review bomb.
But here's the thing about review bombs. If you read the text of the top reviews made during the bomb, they make the reason for the bomb pretty clear. Then you can make your purchase decision.
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Epic Games Launcher is an epic pile of shit, that's my reason. Until I get an actually functioning, convenient store and library with filtering/organizing features, I won't even consider buying from there.
Regarding Steam in general though, I think it's the social aspect it offers. Games on Steam have achievements, screenshots, play time, reviewing, game hub with discussions, guides, groups, and even friends info related to the game (owners, wishlists, reviews) not to mention trading cards, badges, emotes and backgrounds to customize your Steam profile. For many, this is worth the extra few bucks spent on the game to have it on Steam over other platforms. If you're only buying to play the game and that's it, then sure, you can buy everywhere without concern. But most people on Steam have a large number of friends and are very active in communities. Losing all these social features for the sake of saving a few bucks is simply not worth it.
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I bought 15 unbundled games for about 20 euros in the most recent sales. I had about five euros in card money saved up since the last sale without even trying, and got 5 euro extra off with the promotion, plus the discounts themselves. So I got a bunch of games that were already like 80 percent off, and then had another 10 euros taken off my total through Steam. Not a bad deal if you ask me, I've bought more expensive bundles for fewer games.
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Oh, I often buy keys instead of directly on the Steam store.
The reason for buying on the Steam store is quite simple - Steam wallet funds. You can earn them via selling market items, then exchange it for games on the store. Also you may have been gifted a wallet code/gift card. Additionally, I assume regional pricing may be a factor - some regions get better balanced prices on Steam I think.
As for me, there are many instances where the Steam store offers the same/better price for a game I want, so I just buy there instead.
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I've found that the GOG Galaxy 2.0 client helps with Epic's sorting problem.
As for buying Steam keys, for me it comes down to refund policy. I know Steam's policy. I know they follow it. I don't know what the policy is of some random key reseller, nor if they will actually honor the refund policy they claim to have.
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I didnt bought anything on steam this year because the new billing policy they started using, and I dont trust steam that much that I just put card info and such into it. I also never bought anything beyond 12 euro out of discipline, because I think games costing 50-60 euro is outrageous. As for other launchers like epic and origin, I'm fine without them since what they are offering is things I can live without.
I use steam cause you can haggle and get games for cards and gems and tf2 keys, and the fact that I have like 1,5k games on it which im slowly burning through
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Seems so, but price difference differ depending on the game.
For example:
• RDD2 - $44.99 on Epic but $37.17 on converted price on steam.
• Satisfactory - $12.95 on Epic but $11.81 on converted price on steam.
• Disco Elysion - $15.99 on Epic but $12.57 on converted price on steam.
• Desperados III - $24.67 on Epic but $25.15 on converted price on steam.
• SpongeBob Game - $14.74 on Epic but $15.05 on converted price on steam.
• Horizon Zero Dawn - $29.99 on Epic but $20.20 on converted price on steam.
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Also SEK here. Yeahhh this is probably the biggest thing regarding Epic for me. So sick of having to pay everything in Euro on every store. Not that it's money Epic would get from me anyway for reasons others have covered.
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This X 100. Quick example, ori and the will of the wisps, $30 base price, around $10 in my currency. And many more like that.
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As someone from the same country, I can say Epic does HAVE regional pricing, they just don't have regional converted currency. You also probably use paypal provider that has terrible currency conversion rates. I will pick a random example: Spongebob is $14.74 on Epic and P744.95 on Steam. On current google rates at the moment of this post, $14.74 is P729.74. So more or less equal right?
Well, you also have to consider Epic has constant $10 off coupons on their major sales, which severely tips the favor to Epic when it comes to cheaper games as long as it falls under the coupon's $15 value. So you can potentially buy a $15 game that is the same price on Steam for only $5. Even if you have terrible currency conversion issues with your payment provider you will still get it cheaper on Epic. Not to mention some prices on Epic is way below Steam, a major example would be Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order. I bought Star Wars for a whooping $9 because of the coupon and when it was on sale. It is $24 outside of sale on Epic. On Steam right now it's P1550. On sale.
I buy on both stores, just whatever is cheaper for me is better.
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+1 for solid Linux support! I absolutely love having a huge library of Linux games!
I also like Itch because I mostly play indies anyway, but Steam has achievements, easy sharing with friends, and their biggest 'recent' selling point is Proton. The few Windows games I've really wanted to play happen to have Platinum or Gold ratings, like Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice. No more messing around with Wine or POL. It really is a great quality-of-life improvement for a full-time Linux user.
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Came here to say the same. For years Valve have supported Linux with Steam client, Proton and even VR.
While I'm not philosophically against using Epic, I refuse to while they provide games which have native Linux versions on Steam but not on Epic.
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I have many games on uplay (most of the assassin creed, division 1 and 2, far cry 3 4 and 5 and even primal), origin and GOG (all the witcher most important but many others too). achievements, cards are important but price is much more important to me.. I never saw the different clients as an issue..
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Complete the bundle discounts and low amounts of steam wallet from items/cards/trading. With the popularity of dlcs, if you get several but not all from a bundle, the cheapest way is to complete the dlc bundle on Steam. Regional pricing is a factor too, although many 3rd party sites offer regional currency, not all of them have regional pricing. For some others, clear refund rules, I have only refunded once on HB with an unrevealed store key but I assume it is more difficult to refund keys on 3rd party sites if you've used the keys than Steam's two hours two weeks rule.
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I mostly will buy on steam. Not only steam prices are the lowest for me on my region with local currency but they also give bragging rights so.... There's that... Let me use your purchased HZD as an example. You bought it in Epic for 34.99EUR but in my Steam region w/ local currency HZD only cost PHP999 w/c is around $20USD or 17.81EUR in full price. If I purchase it on Epic it would set me back $29.99USD or 26.47EUR.
So you're asking why would anybody still buy on Steam. Well my friend... =) Have a great day.
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I believe that there are submissions of having a local pricing for your region at some point but they're just not approved yet because of certain clauses and most probably it's because of tax. Here in my region there are no tax with digital purchases of whatever kind maybe that's why they approved the local pricing here but we used to use USD as the main currency before. Local pricing in my region was started back in 2014 so it's fairly new. Don't lose hope though.
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Nearly every game I bought this sale was at a historical low price on Steam. The first I bought this sale was Doom Eternal, which was at a historical low price on Steam. . https://gg.deals/game/doom-eternal/
And the last game I bought this sale (In Death), while not on a historical low, was priced lowest on Steam, and the historical low was also previously on Steam. https://gg.deals/game/in-death/
https://gg.deals/deals/?minRating=5&onlyBestDeal=1&onlyHistoricalLow=1
Lastly, Horizon Zero Dawn is the same price on both EGS and Steam for me ($49.99). That said, I'll be buying it on Steam.
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But... why? Why create yet another Steam vs. Epic thread? Everyone who has some position has already shared it a hundred times each, it's not like Epic has changed their policy or improved their store lately. You've already heard all the pro-Steam arguments numerous times, why do you need to hear them yet again?
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I honestly don't know anymore. I like the information Steam discussions etc. can provide but ofc that doesn't mean I have to buy the game on Steam. As jbond said, Epic launcher is pretty bad. I've just gotten used to buying on Steam, but ofc I buy a Steam key if it's cheaper.
Before I would have used the convenience argument because if you don't own any games on a platform you don't need the client installed but now it doesn't matter anymore because I have games on all platforms.
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Salty much? You are allowed to not like steam. I'm allowed to like it.
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Here in Mexico, steam prices are usually the best deal, plus buying on Steam gives hou a few benefits such as tokens and the hability to easily refund.
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At some point Epic will stop trying to buy customers and with paid exclusives and $10 coupons, prices will go up and the amount they give to publishers will drop greatly.
The guarantee sales for games on epic is being counted in the number of game that game sold on epic and no one but the publishers know how many copies epic buys. Also if US laws could change to make it hard for a company like epic to run in the USA since it is 48.8% owned by China.
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Big Fish Games sells their games cheaper on Steam than on their own storefront, this is why I buy those there. Plus a lot of games are Steam exclusive. As in, they are sold only on Steam, nowhere else. (Just people never complain about that, like how they never complain about battle.net-only or Origin-only games, only EGS-only games). These are the only reasons, frankly. Other than that, I made the same observation, that it is pointless to throw money at Valve, legit key sites and competing launchers almost always give better deals than them.
Well, unless you live in a cheap region. Nobody can compete with the Russian/Chinese/Indian/etc. Steam store prices.
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I never realized just what a difference regional pricing can do
Yup a big price table is worth a thousand words, for instance:
https://steamdb.info/app/223850/
In this case, highest price is 591% higher than lowest price.
It varies a lot with games though, but usually, unless the publisher is extra-aggressive in their price update policy and try to keep the difference small-ish (Ubisoft and EA come to mind), the difference between lowest and highest will range anywhere between x3 and x7
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Keys bought in a region don't only work on that region?
Actually I think it depends on games. I believe some have a run lock (I heard that in particular for the CIS/RU region), not sure how common this is.
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I do agree with you how Steam exclusives are never mentioned as a problem even though it most definitely is.
They are never mentioned because it's the publisher or developer's choice where to sell their game, and nothing to do with Valve. It's not the same as Epic or Sony buying off the publisher for exclusivity.
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Just people never complain about that, like how they never complain about battle.net-only or Origin-only games, only EGS-only games
TBH, Origin-only has been primarily Origin/EA games; battle.net-only has been Bliz, etc., whereas Epic-only games are frequently any old dev/pub, not just Fortnite or even Unreal Engine games.
As well, with the recent move to put a bunch of EA stuff on Steam, there seems to have been a lot of positive feedback for EA. I see it as kind of the anti-anti-exclusivity-grumble. It's the same sentiment: lots of gamers would prefer to buy on Steam, regardless of who the exclusivity belongs to.
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