I noticed great games like Serious Sam HD TFE-TSE, Serious Sam 2, Serious Sam 3, Batman Arkham Asylum show as ** No value to contribution. To my mind these were never given free so how does it work now what did I miss?

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Bundle Games
https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games

If you enter the name of the game here, you can usually find the date of death of the game's value.
In most cases, the game was distributed for free.

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I am pretty certain if serious Sam HD, SS2, SS3 BFE and Arkham Asylum went free I would have heard of it. ,

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Nov 2019 is more probably this one:

https://barter.vg/bundle/4566/
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/W0fdt/free-game-at-gmg-w-code-freegame-over

Yours sounds like some deal you got when buying a graphics card and it seems to have been right at release.

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Wow. I bought a GPU 3 years ago and got nothing.

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"Bundled with hardware" doesn't count as free for CV purposes, otherwise lots more games should be on the list. This page is much older than even the reduced CV listing. Arkham Asylum came with special "Batman editions" of the GTX 200 series.

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It does not by site rules/traditions, you're correct, but unfortunately we did have a couple staff members a few years back that were... well, put simply, very open about being toxic trolls who wanted to sabotage the site. So without an alternative explanation for why those were on the lists, there's potential for them to have indeed been put on there because of the NVIDIA offers, even if such is a blatantly incorrect association.

Easiest option is to cross-reference the dates listed for the list additions, and see if it matches to the timing of the NVIDIA offers, and go from there. If it does look like it happened from that, definitely grounds for pushing staff to remove them, or at least for asking for further explanation (it's not like bonuses from paid offers CAN'T get games added to lists, it's just that the total value of the purchase is divided by the games provided, and games you couldn't have known were coming as bonuses aren't included in the calculation, so for something expensive like a graphic card purchase, it's just.. not really ever going to actually happen that any associated games would ever be added to lists- at least, not without staff error or some sort of glitch that made the game freely available without purchase.)

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Easiest option is to cross-reference the dates listed for the list additions, and see if it matches to the timing of the NVIDIA offers,

I did and it doesn't. I thought that was clear from my reply, but to be completely unambiguous: the Nvidia action dates from 2008, at which time Steamgifts itself wasn't even a glint in cg's eye yet, let alone any rules for CV.

I shouldn't think toxic trolls out to sabotage need any actual verifiable reason for their actions, but in any case it's hardly relevant; verifying whether it's correct or not is the same with a bad faith action as it would be with a simple error/misunderstanding.

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Not sure how "there's reasonable grounds for doubt over validity if it was within a certain timeframe" isn't relevant. I wasn't referencing it for emotional or other context, but purely as a logical point of reference. Like referencing a hurricane hitting a region while considering past periods of high rainfall for the region. :P

Rather, it also acts as a support that if it's NOT in that timeframe, then we need to come in from the assumption that it was probably done with legitimate cause, and therefore shouldn't jump to conclusions to the contrary. I didn't feel that needed to be clarified but, yeah, given typical internet commenter perspectives and the difference in the dualistic manner of how I think about such things versus how others may view such things, maybe it did want for it.

As far as you thinking your comment was clear, sure- the phrasing was a bit off, but the meaning wasn't hard to figure out.. But I also wasn't addressing any specific offer, either- I was more noting that we should be cross-referencing "x date nvidia offer", and then checking the timeframe it happened in to see if we could figure out if there may have been an easy to figure out problematic reason for the addition. Since, as I noted at the end, there's possible reasonable reasons it may have gotten added even with an nvidia offer, such as a glitch, so if there's no recorded glitch and it's not within those few years we had listing problems, then there may have been an overlapping offer or something else (eg, region exploitations, or russian key giveaway sites, though that latter one's extremely unlikely for AAA games) that we should be looking for.

In short, you said "nividia offers didn't count", and I was agreeing with you that they don't, and there was only ever one real exception to that- so, as you seemed to be suggesting, we should confirm that nvidia offers weren't involved and then be looking at other possibilities.

As with your perspective, I also don't believe "bad faith actions" have anything to do with the matter, but cause and effect doesn't care if it's a bad faith action or not (and staff acting contrary to site rules IS considered an abberant data set, so it's highly valuable for proper analysis; the motivation doesn't matter, the fact that the site functioning was compromised does, similar to how glitches in offer sites are relevant data outside of the scope of promotions that nevertheless still affect consideration of promotions), so we do need to at least acknowledge their existence so as to be able to verify things using proper data. Basically, exactly the perspective you just mentioned yourself. :P

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That's a ton of words to say "yeah, I was just mentioning it for completeness", but I think I got the gist of it. 😄

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SS2: https://barter.vg/giveaway/7141/

Free Key 4 years ago
10000 keys
na.alienwarearena.com

SSHD double pack: https://barter.vg/giveaway/7139/

Free Key posted 4 years ago
10 000 keys, sub/6192/
■ Inactive [ na.alienwarearena.com ]

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Tcxct/serious-sam-hd-free-alienware

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Alienware. No wonder I didnt find out just as I stopped visiting SG here. had it been given at steam would have known.

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Games given away on steam don't get 0 CV, as they cannot be given away again. Only free keys get 0 CV.

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OMG, thank you!
How can I get to this page from menu?
I thought I click everything before, but nothing found.

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It isn't anywhere on the menu, nor even in the FAQ (where the whole reduced CV thing is mentioned -- though forum comments lead me to believe it was linked from there at some point), nor linked from the GA page when you make one. You just, uh, have to know it's there.

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Thanks again!
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. To my mind these were never given free so how does it work now what did I miss?

It's not really a "mind over matter" thing. :'P

(Note: While "to my mind" does have the tone of "from my perspective", it has the primary meaning of "in my opinion", thereby acting as a middle step between the two phrases (ie, "by the opinion I've formed from the perspective I have"). A more closely synonymous colloqialism would be "My personal thoughts on the matter are". The line you were likely wanting to use was "By my recollection". Hence giving you the teasing poke on it.)

While some of the staff members in more recent years have really screwed around with making any game free simply because it was labeled as "free" (ditto for listing games as "bundled" just for being labeled as such), and one infamous member even openly stated their intent to sabotage the list system into a state where it could no longer feasibly be used, thereby breaking the site's functionality (really, we.. need more consistent staff selection criteria..), that's been an issue more related to 1,000 or less key giveaways or paid bonuses; The site rule has always been that 2,000+ freebies are reviewed for potential effect on the site with a bias for assuming they will have negative effect, so 10,000 key giveaways- even when they're from a hot mess site like AA- are pretty much enough to lock the game into being free without extra consideration.

General rule of thumb is that it takes 8 years for a game to be removed from the free list, but it's done on a case by case basis under consideration of how much of a risk the keys are presumed to have for continued exploitation versus site demand for the keys. As such, the actual timeframe may be more or less. So yeah, unfortunately, probably not going to see them delisted any time particularily soon.

PS: I do remember Serious Sam 3 being free (I beleve also on AA) as well.

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PS: I do remember Serious Sam 3 being free on AA as well.

While not mentioned on barter.vg for some reason, I found this confirmation, that for all 3 SS games in question, 10,000 keys each were being given away:

gg.deals/freebie/free-serious-sam-hd-serious-sam-2-and-serious-sam-3-on-alienware-arena/

(not allowed to link directly to this site)

Edit: oh and of course this one ^^

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Tcxct/serious-sam-hd-free-alienware#0SmrrHZ

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👍 🙂

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Don't remember a SS3 giveaway but recall that SS4 was given away for free on AWA.

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SS3 was on Alienware as well at the same time SSHD and SS2 were, see my other post. SS4 might have been this one you remember:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeGameFindings/comments/oku1of/psa_intel_master_of_game_giveaways/
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/gHq4G/free-steam-intel-intel-master-of-game

Probably not enough keys to warrant 0 CV. There has only been one giveaway on SG at that time and only 6 total:

https://www.steamgifts.com/game/eN4v1/serious-sam-4

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Ah yes, thanks for breaking it to me. I should really make an appointment with Rekall to fix my memory ☺️

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Just to be clear: this was Google-Fu, not memory on my behalf. ^^

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Well, I on the other hand took the chance to make an allusion to Total Recall. Seems we are quit.

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It's not that I didn't get that reference, but I also thought you were at least a bit serious about your memory as well. :P

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Don't mind me, I just want to express my surprise about someone labeling the Serious Sam games AAA. 😅

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They're obviously American Accordionists' Association games! :)

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And why are they not? Are they inferior to any big gane?

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AAA is more about budget and studio size rather than quality. The Serious Sam devs are a pretty small studio, at most they would be AA, and even that might be pushing it (wikipedia says they have 40 employees)

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It's not inferior. AAA is usually referred to the size of team. Expedition 33 core team (other than localization, QA, marketing and so on) was 33 people. It's a golden example of AA, not AAA

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Oh. I was always under impression it referred to how quality and good, big a game is.

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There once was a positive correlation between team size, budget and quality. At least since the advent of the first AAAA game this holds no longer true.

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They literally sold their first games as budget titles. They had little funding, no publisher.
Their team is small, even these days. And their games are good in throwing masses of enemies at you but that's all. Them doing this exceptionally good doesn't qualify them as AAA.

Indie games like Hades or Stardew Valley also aren't considered AAA, despite being the best.

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They also made The Talos Principle games, with considerably fewer enemies than the Serious Sam ones :)

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But it has those headless kamikaze units, it's an AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA game at least

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