Specs:
Intel i7-4720HQ @ 2.6 GHz
Nvidia GTX 970M 3GB
16 GB RAM
1920x1080 resolution monitor
Windows 10

Environment: I have my laptop on top of a wooden desk without any item (e.g. external cooling fan or cooling pad) between the laptop and desk to influence air flow. There are rubber feet that makes the base of the laptop in a slope position (picture below).

What I did: Disassembled my ASUS G751JT to remove dust from modular fans and the metal fins (example pic below) inside of the laptop. Also, I removed old thermal paste with 70% isopropyl alcohol on the CPU and GPU then allowed 5 minutes for moisture evaporation for each hardware piece. Next I applied Arctic Silver 5 via spread method with a credit card. Reassembled the laptop and played one quest on Monster Hunter World (CPU intensive game).

Results: My primary concern is the CPU temperature because Monster Hunter World, among certain other games I have, raised my the temperature between 88 C to 90 C for the thermal paste I had when I bought the laptop as new. After applying new thermal paste, the CPU temperature goes between 80 C to 86 C.

As the title asks, does thermal paste have to cure before showing its true potential?
Edit: CPU and GPU temp recordings -> https://pastebin.com/M6zren0Q

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It is going to depend on what thermal compound you use, but I don't think it matters. Arctic Silver says that is cures, but I think most people say that they don't see any difference over time.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm

Important Reminder:
Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period. This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer as long as the computer is turned off from time to time and the interface is allowed to cool to room temperature. Once the break-in is complete, the computer can be left on if desired.

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On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period.

If I'm comprehending correctly, a drop in temperature between 2 C and 5 C multiple times over the course of the break-in/curing period?

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I think they are saying a total of 2-5C drop after the break-in is complete. I'm pretty sure they are saying "often" as in, often a user will see a 2-5C drop, but not all will.

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Damn, I'm won't be pleased with a CPU still in the 80s C range after new paste. Guess I will need an external fan.

Edit: G751 does not intake air from the bottom like typical laptops do. Air intake is from gaps between the chiclet keys and a gap between the monitor screen and base of laptop.

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Is it the max temp or average temp?

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Max temperature for a CPU heavy game such as MH World. I think high 70s C when playing other games where stress is more even between CPU and GPU.

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Then i don't think it's a problem I had been gaming in laptop for over 3 yrs now and I get the same avg temps and the max temp in 80's.

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Aren't high temps expected when pushing a laptop hard? I think a CPU in the 80s is fine for a laptop. That CPU doesn't thermal throttle until 100C, I would have no problem running it in the 80s. I like to overclock my desktop Intel into the 70s range peaking in the low 80s with an artificially high load, but I would accept that a laptop has to run hotter.

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I worked with thermal paste in different jobs and used it hundreds of times at CPU's.
The result is much better then without it.... :-D
BUT ... why did you want to know if it will be better after a while and maybe drops 2°C ?
I am confrontaded with that question the first time since 25 years...
And i am not able to answer it. I never looked so close and/or long on temp. stuff in my own Laptops/PC's and at work i don't had finished comp./laptops so long to say anything about later results (and the priorities are other ones)

Judged from your picture of the laptop:
When you want cool your laptop down, without paying anything, then use 2 empty CD/DVD spindel/shaft under it. Looks not great but have a good effect and stability.
Or when you want it the way that it looks better and have better results then pay a bit and use a cooling pad with 1 or 2 fans.

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Perusing the ASUS forums, the G751 laptop does not benefit from any cooling pad or cooling fan because the air intake comes from the gaps under the chiclet keys and a gap between the monitor and base of the laptop. Though the laptop does have a thin underbelly and someone drilled gaps through that underbelly and covered with mesh to expose air close to the CPU/GPU.

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How much of a drop did you expect with new thermal paste? Seems like you got a 4°-8°C drop. Is that very much less than you hoped for?

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Slightly yes the paste gives a marginal difference slightly less than I anticipated. I assumed when I read thermal paste can transfer heat to the heatsink, it can really transfer heat that there would be at least a 15 C difference.

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I think that was overly optimistic. I think you got as much of a benefit as you're going to get.

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Yes, thermal paste gets better when it dries. But laptop CPU's don't go much lower than 80C while gaming.

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No.

If it does "dry" you need to replace it.

Whoever tells you that its better when its dry is just plain wrong.

a) If its dry it has voids where water used to be. No matter how small the voids are, there's still air where there used to be water, or some sort of fluid.
b) Its dry and crumbly, this leaves even bigger voids and air pockets than those mentioned above.
c) Its not malleable anymore. If your heatsink gets moved, it might not reestablish a good contact between the heatsink and the CPU.

Why your temps changed when you applied new thermal paste?

a) Because you bought better thermal paste than it was in before
b )Because you applied it over the whole surface. //when they apply it in the factory its done by machine and its probably not evenly spread over the whole cpu
c) All of the above. :)

edit:
Also not all thermal pastes are the same.

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Depends on how much time you're looking at. Most thermal pastes does actually see an improvement as it heats up to begin with, tiny air bubbles gets pushed out of the solution. That's the idea anyway. So short term there might be a small improvement.

That said in the long term you're not wrong. Once the liquid evaporates, its use will greatly decrease. That takes a good long while though. I think people are just looking at different timeframes, and one thing got confused with another.

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I have never understood why people spread the paste evenly. Just drop a click in the middle.

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Ya spread is useless , I read that on some pro gamer forum long ago...

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i believe they would want to avoid leaving hotspots like this https://youtu.be/EUWVVTY63hc?t=9m29s

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Nice vid everyone should watch and listen , "thermal paste Jesus" saw that in the comments =lolz

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Excellent video. )

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I did go for dot method then the blob was too large, so I used a credit card and spread it instead.

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I think I did the same 2 years ago so you're ok , this isn't an exact science even manufacturer's or pro rig builder's video's are vague.

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As a laptop repair engineer with 6 years of experience, I responsibly declare that it`s a bad practice. Thermal compound must be spreaded over surface, drops make compound`s coverage over CPU/GPU insufficient. There is not much of a difference for average desktop (not speaking about Super-Ultra Enthusiast Nitrogen-Cooled Gaming PC), but for laptops, gaming laptops especially, there`s quite much. Not only in terms of temperatures, but also in terms of how long it will live

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I am glad that I will never have to use one of these "repair engineers".

Spreading the paste is a bad idea because of the air bubbles. Period.

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Spreading the paste is a bad idea because of the air bubbles. Period.

Can you please provide me a proof? 🙃
Because I've never seen any of these "air bubbles"

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I'm no engineer but the spread method is way better for laptop CPUs just like you say. The first time I used the pea dot method on a laptop I had to re open everything because the fan was going 100% in a matter of minutes. Spreading the thermal paste all over the die helped a lot.

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That's potentially ok, but only if you spread it pretty thin. The problem is that a lot of people really goop it on the CPU, and this will have the opposite effect of retaining too much heat since the layer is too thick. So, if you're going to go with the spread method, you have to be sure that it's really thin. The dot method will work just fine, but you need to be sure to compress everything really well, and not end up with a blob in the middle and air gaps all around. A lot of the time this is an issue with laptops because you're less likely to have the large clamps or 4-screw attachment methods that help compress the thermal compound that you get with desktops...so, you need to really compress the heat sink onto the compound manually to ensure a good distribution.

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True. You added It important facts for the thermal compound on laptops and desktop CPUs.

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Yes, I forgot to mention about making layer of compound as thin as possible, thanks)

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No problem. Hardware geek here. 😁

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Nope , pea size drop in the middle is enough then place the heatsink+fan then your good to go , I got 3 extra fans installed paste brand was "ic diamond" supposed to be one of the best and I have a new tube of "Tuniq TX-4" also one of the best I used another brand before that wasn't great don't remember brand name right now, doh. Its useless to change the paste every year I read somewhere it can last 10 years, so changing paste is useless, unless you change the cpu then you have no choice...and most modern paste's don't have a settle period as soon as you start up the pc it hardens...

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yes some does, it can take some time before it work better

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I've never seen it really get much better. It might get better, but the difference will be marginal. A couple of C at best. Plus, with the temperatures you've had, it has already dried and become stuck in that spot for sure. So overall, I don't think there'll be a difference.

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This is a great opportunity for me to sneak and ask a question aswell. I have aswell high temperature of the CPU demanding titles, and honestly this pisses me off a little, because I cannot play games like FF XV.
I don't know if I should just ignore the temperature, but I'm worried the CPU state will go bad if I let it stay that much in heat.
I decided even to play on low, and kinda have better conditions (82/87 degrees and in loadings rarely 92 degrees. But, I'm playing in low, and I still don't like my CPU staying that hot. What u would suggest, to just play one hour and go away or just avoid completely the idea? Luckyly, I didn't buy ff xv, it is through shared library from my partner library. I actually have it on Ps4 but soon enough I would leave house without the possibility to take the Ps4 with me, I would really like to play it on my laptop.
It isn't a matter of requirements but it is just the overheats, it makes me so mad.
Sorry to steal your topic, but I wanted so bad to ask advices!

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The range of acceptable temperatures varies by cpu.

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Mine is a i7-8750H

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It looks like the max temp for that CPU is 100 °C, so temps in the 80s should be ok. I would try to keep it below 90° though.

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Remember that modern CPUs are built to run hot. They throttle automatically if they truly overheat and do not take damage from running hotter than was previously considered safe. If your CPU runs in the 80-85 degree range when playing a very intensive game then that's perfectly acceptable and within specs. For a laptop it's even pretty good - their cooling systems are horrible and anything with the power to run a modern game in a laptop formfactor will run scary hot regularly.

Basically peaking at 80-85 degrees on a daily basis: fine. 85+ degrees constantly: problematic, but mainly because it points to either an underpowered computer or actual defects in your setup. If you move to a desktop then you can start to expect lower temperatures.

And no, thermal paste does not need a curing time, although many will claim it. Thermal paste is the gold plated audio cables of the computer building world - you can pay as much as you want for it but the main difference in real world applications is in your head. Literal mayonnaise will work almost as well as arctic silver in short term test under controlled conditions, so don't bother reading the temp specs on the arctic silver website - look at your own system instead and compare before and after. What you have is what you get.

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default cpu fan are crap
try http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Lines/cpu-air-cooler/
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Edit. a Laptop.. :)

those things are not for games....

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You could underclock the CPU a bit and see If It works for better temps (If your lap has the right software or in BIOS) Delidding is something they do but Idk If you can do It on a laptop CPU. I wouldnt take the risk unless you know you have the right tools. Even the Pros have messed up CPUs.

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I used to be a supermoderator in a PC modding forum. So, the short answer about thermal compound curing (at least in the case of AS5) is "yes," but as mentioned above, you're just going to see a 1-3C drop. Your CPU should not be running at 80-90C. I usually set alarms for anything over 65-70 (although in laptops this tends to run a little higher).

Gaming on a laptop is brutal to that hardware. There's a reason that hardcore gamers still run on desktops. And I don't ever use stock CPU coolers...they're generally garbage (also mentioned above). You can usually drop a good 8-15C just by using a better CPU cooler. Again, though, this can be problematic in laptops, since each one is generally a proprietary machine and you don't have as many alternate options (sometimes zero).

It's too bad that a cooling pad won't work in this case. But, being a modder, I like the above suggestion that you can open up the bottom and install mesh instead to allow air in there.

In any case, temps in the 80-90C range are way too high. I have a rig with an AMD FX-8350 in it (8-core) slightly overclocked, and it idles at 33C. This thing is known for being a freaking hotplate, but even under load, I never exceed the 55-58C range. And that's still air cooled. Have you checked to ensure that all of your cooling fans (there may only be one in that laptop) are working properly? Airflow is critical, and if you don't have it, then no CPU cooler can save you.

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You're probably working with a 970 motherboard at least. I remember using an entry level mobo with the FX-6300 and AMD being cheap with the stock cooler on that model (no copper). Had to disable turbo boost.

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Yeah, for this machine, it's an Asus ROG Crossfire V. At the time I bought it, it was the biggest beast on the planet for AM3+ mobos. It'll take whatever you throw at it. :)

I'm overdue for an upgrade, but unless I'm playing something really new and trying to push 4K UHD, it still runs most things like butter.

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Yes, all thermal compound will "settle in" over time and spread itself a little better across the surface of your CPU, filling in any micro-blemishes on both surfaces, but the temperature drop from that settling in period won't be anything drastic - a couple degrees at most. Don't expect a miracle.

Modern Intel CPUs can run as high as 80C, so try to get it under that as much as you can. I'd be busting out the dremel and chopping that laptop chassis up to improve airflow.

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I was wondering If undervolting is possible since It was a thing with AM2+ AM3, AM3+ CPUs (Maybe even Ryzen).
Seems like you can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwiiGGHsrxA
Didnt check the video, It´s just for reference. Check the first question below, they ask for your CPU model and at the last answer they talk about the max undervolt. Quote: "-60 mV anything above that usually unstable and can cause bsod".

Check some forums, etc. I´ve have undervolt in the past (AMD Athlon X2 7750 that had an insane stock voltage and an Athlon 5150) but I am no expert. Good luck & stay on the safe spot If you try It.

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I have that exact laptop, sometimes I can feel that it is running hot, but if you tell me the tools you log the temperatures with I can do some tests to compare yours to.
I got mine around 2 or 3 years ago, and have never opened it. It was in the living room while I stripped all the plaster then had it re-plastered, and always use it resting on my lap AKA a dust nightmare!

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I would also recommend using MSI Afterburner and adding the temps in a corner somewhere (I use my upper-left one) which shows the GPU temp and FPS, but you can also add CPU temps (total, or per core) or even RAM temps

Cheers

Edit: I also use an ASUS ROG laptop

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Do you know if changing fan speed is possible on the G751 ROG laptop?

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Here is a list of temps for my CPU and GPU: https://pastebin.com/M6zren0Q

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i remember linus using liquid metal on a hot gaming laptop to great effect.
however that stuff is nasty and not without its danger.
but it doesn't get any better than that.

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