Not one villain in particular but I really liked how the Packleds were the main antagonists for a while in Lower Decks, the idea that they're really dumb and incompetent yet somehow became a legit threat until they pretty much screwed themselves over was hilarious.
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That was an amazing fleshing out of their species, agreed.
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I haven't watched it but always like to see things expanded upon like they did with the Ferengi in DS9.
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They were in TNG as well and I believe they only act dumb . They were good at getting people to not see them as a threat and taking them by surprise and taking their technology. I mean they would have to be somewhat intelligent to be able to use that stolen technology.
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https://youtu.be/Kledg0aVUo4?t=68
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Data is a main character and certainly one of my favorites. A supporting character would be someone like Guinan who just pops in now and then to further the plot or share some backstory.
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Thats it, Lower Decks is where Q belongs. He was a misplaced original Lower Decks character that traveled back in time to TNG era thanks to his reality bending multidimensional shenanigans- so being ignored so much in his original universe he went searching for someone so serious he wouldnt laugh to his face, landing on Picard.
Thats it. I found the correct proper canon lore that finally makes sense of Q.
Thats my official head canon now.
I will pretend its the official canon from now on.
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Q is wonderful but he's not really a villain. Lore would be a good example of a true villain from TNG.
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I can't think of a favorite villain off the top of my head since I don't really remember liking any of them, especially Q. Maybe the Talosians from the original pilot. For supporting character, I think I would have to go with Data.
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Data is actually a main role as he is present in almost every episode and if he were in a Fallout game would be tagged as essential. I mean hell they actually "killed" him and yet he does come back. A supporting character would be like Chief O'Brien during TNG but he becomes a main role in DS9. Data is a great character though and he has a lot of development.
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I don't know why, but when I read "supporting characters", I immediately though of people playing supporting roles to the captain, so we couldn't choose Kirk or Picard (I have only seen the first 2 series and the movies). I guess all the ones I was thinking of would be main characters and that makes choosing a supporting character really difficult because I can't remember many of them. Would that time traveler guy that shows up in a few episodes of TNG count? Not sure if he would be my favorite if I did a bunch of research, but he was interesting, especially towards the end when Wesley comes back.
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I have no opinion as I only watched 5 episodes of TNG so far. It's not great yet but I enjoy it enough and heard the first two seasons aren't the best.
Yeah, that's it...just wanted to say that :D
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TNG is VERY underwhelming in season 1 but it really starts to shine in season 2 and by season 3 is a very solid show.
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THE BORG. Data.
I like most trek villains ive seen (but i havent watched all of star trek). Khan and those ilusionist big brained guys (Taloisans, thanks google) left a mark.
Despite digging the Borg i dont have as a strong positive feeling to then as i have a negative feeling for Q.
I can kinda appreciate Q for some amusing episodes, being unexpected, i confess i felt some(just some, just a little) nostalgia when he poped up on the Picard series... but that was nostalgia talking, seeing more of the old usual faces... because the villain and concept itself always irked me.
Q to me have holes and worldbuilding issues. Such an advanced race would have a much much bigger impact; Something so godlike and so freaking old could be mad, insane... but Q comes across to me as petty, overly frivolous, even childish, and that never felt like a good pairing for that background and those powers.
Then the 'powers' i always felt were waaay too much- and this comes from someone who loves the concept of 'sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'... but id argue theres some limits, or idk setting fittingness. Maybe in another scifi setting something like Q would fly better for me then in Star Trek
Idk i feel something similar could be achieved with ilusions like Taloisans, virtual reality- but the lore implies he can change even the laws of physics, other dimension involved... Idk, didnt fit my taste. Its a pet peeve of mine.
Am i nerding too much about complaining about Q?
To hell with it, im a nerd, thats my main pet peeve, i agree everyone have their tastes and its nice if you like Q but i still stand he doenst really fit and i will die on that hill and i will fight for it
Not really really fight, i always avoided fights.... i willl... i will post another lenghty post about it!
Sorry, i needed to get that out of my system. Been awhile since someone or something triggered my Q red button.
But i like the actor and was glad he was on Picard. But i would rather he be a cameo as another character not freaking Q.
Have i mentioned i dont like Q?
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Q isn't actually a villain but he certainly interferes a lot. And the Q occupy another dimension so whatever laws apply to us wouldn't apply to them. Other species we see from other dimensions in he shows are also well beyond our own power. Such as the Borg actually being preyed upon and in fear of those guys from fuidic space. There are some others that pop up as well. I remember there was one that was pulling people into another dimension and disecting them, they were insectoid and made clicking noises. The crew all got together and had collective flashbacks of what was going on.
The Q and a particular Q make a good anti-hero or protagonist. I enjoyed seeing him again in Picard and seeing how everything played out.
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I kinda of agree in parts. Btw the other overpowered beings make more sense to me then how Q was done yyou know?
And to elaborate a little bit in the kind of holes i perceive in Q- being from another dimension/reality with different rules then our own its all fine. But traveling to another reality- what, carrying another reality physics laws with oneself? THAT doenst make sense.
Its like saying someone coming from a universe with no gravity where most life forms fly/float around because they evolved to, idk, pull/push from magnetic fields coming to our universe would be flying around. How it should be in scifi is precisely exploring that kind of scenario to its ultimate consequences in a what if that existed- and in the example they would be grounded, maybe even have very hard trouble moving on their own with weaker bodies that never had to fight G force- but they would likely mess up all eletronics because of their craze buffed magnetic field manipulation
'I can change all matter in my own universe, therefore i can do so in yours! Obviously' - Q probably in some discarded script, that amongst other things was too much on the nose with the characters inherent flaws.
Being more specific my main pet peeve is scifi nerding- a highly inteligent, very dangerous, misterious and yes even powerful playful and machiavelian character is very fun. My issue is all the underlying lore. Q to me feel almost as out of place and as if a freaking wizard with a pet dragon and a pointy hat appeared in star trek, teleporting and turning people into frogs left and right.
You see in his reality what us humans wrote as 'magic' is very much in the reach of their science and evolution- and they bioengineered thenselves with said magic so they could project that out of their fingers, and also with their specialized multi-tool weapons that look kinda like a wand, and the 7 pointed thing in the top isnt a star, its 7 antenas that capture the 7 energy fluxes that permeate his universe.
And then they were so advanced with such magic that a huge systems wide security system was created that prevented people from using weapons, killing- so old and so powerful later civilzations couldnt just dispell. So they now have near a milenia of technical developments under that- and thats why all nations in his universe weaponize metamorphosis. Rather then kill their enemies they disable then- for capture, or to let then likely die to the elements, thus not commiting the magically punished crime of murder (killing beyond self sutenance).
See its all explained! Another universe, other laws... Yet dont make this damn wizard fitting in star trek does it? Nor explain why his magic would work in our universe...
Thats my Q issue.
I have a Q issue lol
PS, edit: Also space wizards fit more in star wars
Edit 2: i feel i could bash on Qs canon for hours or days without getting bored lol
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The thing is that if something from another dimension can interact with our dimension it would be sufficiently advanced well beyond us. We are just scratching the surface of our own dimensions. There was also at least one instance of a lifeform from a lower dimension where the Enterprise was stuck in a swarm of 2 dimensional life forms being pulled into a cosmic string. They weren't even aware of the Enterprise but they were exerting a great deal of power that the Enterprise could not even overcome. So yes perceivably there are lots of regular creatures in other dimensions that would just fall apart in our own but they wouldn't have sufficient technology to do so. There was also the notion of different phases explored, there could be all sorts of life occupying the same space yet out of phase with each other. Some life could even exist in an inverse timeline or their forward progression would be going back in time for us. How much of this stuff could actually be real? Who knows.
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Idk how much of it could be real but i how much i wish Replicators and Trasnporter were viable...
...and preferably developed during my lifetime...
...and affordable enougth it wouldnt be exclusive to the rich...
Dammit, thats too many crazy wishs stacked
Okay i can settle with a Holodeck.
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I’ve got agree Roth Gul Dukat as best villain. I’ve tried thinking of s better one, and I just can’t.
And even though DS9 isn’t my favorite series, I think Garak is a great supporting character.
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Garak was wonderful, they really had a lot of good characters on DS9. Quark was a great supporting character as well! Garak's father was a pretty decent villain as well. The last season of DS9 was a real letdown. It's like they were in a rush to just sweep it under the rug. They put so much development into the Jadzia and Worf relationship then kill her right after they get married due to some personal crap between her actor and one of the producers. Then they bring in Ezri on the next episode and try to play some love interest between her and Worf. At least Kai Wen gets what's coming to her.
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I consider quark a main character.
I forgot about Louise fletcher as Kai Winn, I might have to change my answer for best villain
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I don’t know why people complain about season 6 of DS9 - it was a great season finale
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Lore and Data. You can tell TNG was my favourite :)
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I'm a huge Next Gen fan, but with the exception of Data, over time all of my favorite characters became Ferengi and Cardassian. Dukat is definitely the best villain, and Garak is my favorite side character. Garak and Quark's back-and-forth's are legendary. Special nod to Nog.
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Already mentioned a couple of times, but clearly Gul Dukat!
DS9 is actually the first ST show I binged - after that I went back to the others... well still am in the process, but yeah.
So while I always liked 7of9 and yes, basically the whole Voyager Crew, Jadzia Dax will always be my Fav char. She is still support, right? xD
Actually the whole Trill/Symbiont thing spoke to me and all the Dax Versions were intriguing!
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+1 for Gul Dukat, to me he's a prime example of the care that DS9 writers took with their characters & stories. He was never allowed to be "just" a villain, he was more multifaceted than that; he's a soldier, patriot, loving father, tyrant, leader, zealot and yes, a murderer , a truly gestalt character that was recognisably & sometimes painfully flawed, but always true to himself.
Honourable mentions to two other DS9 characters Weyoun (his obsequiousness & subtle cruelty was always a joy to watch) & Kai Winn, another multifaceted character was more than just an obstacle for the characters to navigate around, it would be too easy to dismiss her as a villain, rather a complicated antagonist (the relationship with Kira is an interesting example, up to a certain point they both had the same life experiences & trials but ended up taking divergent paths, perhaps only to realise that despite that maybe they weren't that different in the end?).
And of course Khan (pronounced KHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! of course), the one and only ( Sorry Benedict Cumberbatch 😢 Unrelated side rant - how could the 3 reboot movies get such great actors to play the villains and yet so utterly waste their potential 🤔 Eric Bana's grief stricken Romulan could have been so much more, BC was actually hampered by being Khan when he could have been a better standalone character railing against the grey menace of Section 31 and Idris Elba ends up being a cardboard cutout villain only till the end when he's unexpectedly given real depth, an origin & motivation that should have come earlier)
In terms of races/organisations, if I had more time I could probably come up with more but the one that sticks out are the Borg (at least before the last couple of years of Voyager). They were truly chilling in their prime, but imo Voyager ended up neutering & mocking them cough Endgame cough. Honourable mention to the Breen, at least until Discovery imo mucked it up. Honestly, of you're going to literally take the mask off of one of the most enigmatic races in middle era Star Trek, then at least make it memorable 🤦♂️ .
Supporting characters are again too much for me to pick through in my lunch break but the one who really sticks out is Garak (guess my fav show 😄). He was never one thing or the other, always the puzzle wrapped in an enigma, even in the end you could never say he was definitively one thing (i.e. the liberating "hero" of Cardassia at the end versus the assassin of In the Pale Moonlight). More honourable mentions to the O'Brien/Bashir relationship that I always enjoyed watching esp in the episode Hippocratic Oath, there was something genuine about how two decidedly different people could still forge an odd couple friendship. Quark always brought a smile, another character who wasn't allowed to be just a caricature.
Sorry for the long rant post. There so much Star Trek it's hard to narrow down in a hurry. There's literally so much to think on that front. Q was always fun and a great foil to Picard. Sisko's father was always a good, "normal" person breath of fresh air to cut through the high end sci-fi stuff. There are more obviously. Hard for me to pick, I've been a life long Star Trek fan since seeing ST4 in '86 as a kid, there's alot to go through in my head, even if the new stuff is mostly paywalled for me for now.
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Man I loved TNG. I liked DS9 a lot also. Voyager... just no. And I never got into the original series much, but I did like the movies.
Gul Dukat is definitely the best Star Trek villain, or at least the one villain that got some actual character development.
My favorite supporting character... maybe Reg Barclay? I love Dwight Schultz.
Unrelated to your question, but I was just thinking about TNG the other day, specifically the episode Darmok. I was always fascinated by the alien language in that episode.
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I was thinking up something for a little social communication and this came to mind.
After some thought I think my favorite villain is Gul Dukat. My favorite supporting character is Lwaxana Troi.
How about something cute for attention?
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