No, it's because tf2 keys are currency, games fall in price but keys not or they fall for some time like Summer Sale (normally, Dota 2 keys price fell permanently, I don't think it will recover) Each key of tf2/CSGO worth like 2$, CSGO slightly more if someone accepts the fact, normally they don't, and Dota 2 keys worth less. So is better keeping tf2 keys to sell them or get games with them after instead of keeping games to trade that fall in price continuously.
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Sitting on bit/altcoins has worked out pretty well for some people. That's more an actual currency than steam game items though, which seem to consecutively fall in value.
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Bitcoins aren't artificial currency. They're just as real as dollars, maybe not physically, but you can buy things all the same.
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As far as I know, Dota keys felt because there's simply no need for them anymore (new chests have their own key or don't require any key at all). If Valve will do the same thing for TF2 and CS:GO keys, then they'll fall too. Otherwise, I don't think so.
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Would have to ask some DOTA 2 player about those chests (I think they could be a not-droppable bonus due to Tournament and keys are still needed for regular stuff - that's what happened in CSGO), but price dropped because Dota 2 players had to buy those Compandiums and rest of that stuff ASAP, which means dropping all their inventory into market to get funds, which means quick price drop (and probably plenty of traders panicked and put their keys too).
They slowly but surely go up.
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I think it will depend on how much the fee is for wallet trading.
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Region locked? I don't think so. It Europe it can be bought.. I dunna about Asia, but it's not North America only, that's for sure.
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it is region locked in russia, and that's what counts. russia usually has the best prices, so most of the copies on trading sites come from there (which is totally fine, as long as these copies are region free). so if a game is locked in russia, it is more expensive on the trading market.
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It's a convenient form of currency. The prices don't change very often and can be bought by anyone, no region lock, even people who don't play the game.
And I'm not in USA but MGR must have been more than $10, maybe $15?
But yeah, they want more keys but they're trying to make a profit out of this. There's not really any point of them trading if they're not going to make any money from it.
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When the market does not provide a suitable currency for people to use, people will find an alternative currency. Why they chose TF2 keys out of what options they had, I don't know. But, as to why the price, TF2 keys have a value in Steambucks, and they have a value in real world money. Their value in real world money is lower than their Steambucks value, and their real world value currently amounts to $1.25 to $1.50.
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lol, how do you even come up with this price? as bigzgod said, it's definitely around 1.8-2$.
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I can tell you that during steam summer sale I was able to get Skyrim Legendary Edition for 4 tf2 keys. Skyrim LE price has never been that low - trading tf2 keys for games is an amazing way to get a tremendous value. Make sure you deal with reputable traders and you can get great deals in the trade market.
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Called Russian or Brazilian store, you'd be surprised but those traders still make a profit.
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i bet a lot of them get such good deals because they use stolen cards to buy them and use keys to launder it as like what has been sated before people do it to make a profit otherwise they would not do it,and Skyrim LE i have seen for as low as 15 so makes me wonder how they can make money and still sell it so cheap?
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Evil.. I know you had a bad trade the other day. The fact is that trading works for 99% of us who are savvy enough to use the common sense necessary to protect ourselves from the evildoers. You can bash trading and go anti-steamtrade all you want. You have only yourself to blame for what happened to you.
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You sure are stupid. Just because you got scammed once through your greed, everyone's a scammer? You didn't even trade TF2 keys. You traded CD keys. It's YOUR fault for being scammed.
So far 99% of people trading TF2 keys haven't had the FBI, CIA, NSA, FSB, MI6 come knocking at their door yet. Don't assume everyone's a dick just because you are one.
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Holy fuck. Are you really this paranoid about things? You have my sympathies for getting ripped off, but you're making baseless assumptions now.
The reason why you can get good deals from Russians is because the games are cheaper in their store to begin with.
IE: I just picked a random game from Steam's frontpage: Dieselstormers - It's $18.99 USD. Its 399 Rubles in Russian store. 399 Rubles is equal to $11.28. This is why there are good deals to be had. Its already cheaper for them to begin with.
Evil, stop with the everything is a fraud, everyone is a criminal, everyone is out to rip you off talk. You got taken by ONE scumbag. Learn from it, but stop with the ridiculousness. There's more than a few people in this thread that trade CONSTANTLY and have never been ripped off.
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Been wondering about this a bit myself. The keys don't drop in game, you have to actually buy them right? So why spend money on keys to trade for a game instead of just buying the game, do people trade games that are worth that much more than the keys cost or am I missing something?
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You can get keys from 3rd parties cheaper than what Valve sells them for in the store/market. If you familiar with trading and know what you're doing then you can get a better value from trading keys for games than outright buying the game yourself. Also people from other regions sometimes get games cheaper, so they buy them cheap and trade them for keys to resell later at a profit. With the amount of sellers like this the prices are fairly cheap due to competition.
For example; a game could be on sale for $7.50 in US but its only $3.00 in a different region. Someone from that other region could buy a $3.00 copy and in turn sell it for 2 TF2 keys which is about a $1 profit for the seller. The buyer only spends $3.80-$5 for 2 TF2 keys. So its a win/win for both parties involved.
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keys can be a deal but it all depends on the offer
but i will not support someone trying to get more key value out of a game i can purchase at retail
trading is not always about making profit just to reply to the one who said trading is all about profit
trading is meant to trade something you do not have to get what you want that does not mean it has to be profit,it could be an even trade which is how most trades are meant to be
it is just greed is why people want to make a profit on everything,this damn world is worried about how much money they can make but asking say 10-12 keys that average about 2.50 or so U.S for like a 29.99 game is not really a deal if it is closer to the 12 mark it still a bit cheap then retail but i consider it a deal with it is around 30-50% or more cheaper other wise i might well wait for a sale on the game as there are several sites that have sales all the time
that is about as bad as walmart clearance i seen one time they said clearance it was a 20.00 item and it was marked down 2 dollar that is a sale not a clearance
anyhow imo keys should hold very little value as it does no good for the market but Valve will never do that as they get a cut of the sales along with those damn trading cards i bet they made a ton of money with that stupid steam summer sale as everyone scrambled to buy them just to complete a set
but in any case that that is just how i see how i am sure plenty of people like it use it and enjoy and as long as they are making money they will leave it in place
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Good luck, low baller. Have fun getting Dayz for 3 keys. We all know what you are driving at.
I've seen your kind before. Fairness to your kind means valuing your game at the maximum value and the other party's game at the lowest price point. That's fairness to your kind and I see it all the time.
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i refuse to read your post, unless you learn how to use proper punctuation.
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and you can not say it is safer then paypal because people are still getting scammed on steam,as they use the keys to launder stolen stuff
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You can't put "paypal" in the Steam trading window.
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it is definitely safer. use tf2 keys, and in case of scam you get your stuff back. use paypal and you are fucked. if you don't know what you are talking about, better just don't talk about it.
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so from now on people only ever buy from russian sellers instead of their region store using their wallet funds, while simultaneously destroying their tf2 key sales market? yeah thats reaaallly going to benefit valve heaps. i have to believe valve isnt THIS stupid to make bypassing regional pricing THAT easy, and destroying one of their biggest moneymakers in tf2 key sales for trading.
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Well, people can dream, right? It's amazing how stupid and naive some people can get.
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This is a misnomer. The TF2 marketplace is very easy to grasp. You don't have to play TF2 to understand it. The only thing you need to know are values. How much keys cost. How much keys actually net you if you sell them on the marketplace. How much of a key is a ref worth. Read a bit, ask questions. I learned the basics in less than an hour and haven't looked back since.
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i don't play TF2, and i am perfectly fine with key trading. it's really not that hard. and the benefits are obvious.
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This is why people want keys: It's convenient.
If I have a list of games and you have a list of games and one of us wants 1 from the other, but the other can't find something to trade for it, you can take a TF2 key (or keys) for it. This allows both parties to get what they want. Say I got a key from you in trade, I can take that key and sell it on the marketplace (and they sell within seconds) or use it to trade for a game that I want from someone else. It simplifies trading this way.
You also chose a terrible example game and have wrong info to boot. Metal Gear's lowest price on Steam was $14.99 over summer sale, and most importantly to this discussion, it's region locked. Region locked games almost always have a higher price because there's a limited amount of people who can actually get it. The market is limited for these games. The US/EU and UK stores almost always have the higher prices b/c of our national currencies. Sometimes, it's not cheaper to get from a trader. Region locked games tend to be those. If the game is region free (and more are than not) you can find it from a trader in another country and get it VERY cheap. Case in point: last weekend Dynasty Warriors 8 was a weekend deal for $24.99. It's region free. I got it from a Russian trader for 6.5 keys. That's $16 out of my Steam wallet if I bought keys and a TOD ticket (the .5) to get that game. The savings add up very quickly.
You don't completely understand how TF2 keys work and thats alright. We are all noobs at one point. Case in point: 8 keys at 2.50 each. Yes, this is true, right now keys are in the upper 2.45-2.50 range, but they aren't worth that to anyone trading for them and they aren't always this price. If I sell a key on Steam for 2.50, I only get $2.19 for it b/c Valve have to get their fees. For a trader who only wants keys trades, they might value it even less b/c they may sell them in bulk at even lower rates for Paypal money. You can easily find reputable key sellers who will have keys available for $1.75 - $1.90, which can get you games even cheaper than my example above. They're never worth what you pay for them directly off the market.
This currency system is wonderful for saving money. It makes trading a breeze. You don't have to hunt for that one perfect fit where there's a perfect match. Learn about it, espc if you buy and play a lot of games regularly. It's worth it.
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The simple answer is that while we all call it trading, what you're describing is just reselling games for a virtual currency. Like others mentioned, the seller makes a profit by exploiting regional price differences. I'm not criticizing that, just giving the baby a name.
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I can't rarely find anybody that want to actually trade games that I want that doesn't involve them only wanting keys I dont play Team fortress or dont even have the game counterstrike to even want to get these keys and people trading 8 keys $2.50 each for games like Metal Gear Rising when it was on sale for like 10$ is ridiculous
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