Nowadays it's really not worth it to pre-order. Most games are unfinished when they come out and see huge price drops about a year after release. With the advent of bundles there are lots of opportunities to get great games for a ridiculous price and there is a gigantic backlog of great games which are already out.
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Yes, you're right, and from a customer's standpoint you will get the best deal by buying a game a bit late, with all the patches, DLC and whatever else, and maybe from a great bundle.
Though, as I've said on the last page as well, we kinda need people to at least buy on launch or soon after (not pre-order, which I don't approve of either) for games to be able to be released as they are now. ๐
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I never preorder AAA games but have sometimes (although rarely) pre-ordered indie games that looked promising.
Indie developers sometimes need the financial (and psychological) support of pre-orders and that can make the difference for them.
It obviously comes with risks: you could be financing scammers that will publish trash or nothing at all, but in general you see who is putting real effort and passion on a project if you follow their work for a while. Of course in the end it's possible that the game will turn out bad, but I'm pretty cautious with pre-orders and only rarely felt I should't have done it.
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Yeah, it's a very sensible issue when it comes to indie developers, lots of them want to create good games, but few manage to take that all the way, and there's the very high risk of getting scammed by fake companies as well... Pre-purchasing through crowdfunding might be better than pre-ordering through digital means from a AAA publisher, especially if you don't get anything out of it. :)
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Ill take black coffee. Plain. Please, thank you.
I have never pre ordered anything. And I dont see myself doing that in any near future.
I dont perticulary buy games at their full price at all (Can count on one hand how many games Ive bought).. Being a student and without stable work at the moment. Bundles all the way.
With financial situation stabilising I would buy more games I desire at their full price or on some kind of sale (in short - not in a bundle).. but I dont really like preordering. Seeing how many times people are dissapointed or seeing that preordering doesnt give you anything more then if you buy it at its release..
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I agree. I'm a student as well and face more or less the same struggle with purchasing full priced games, especially in a country with a poor economy. :)
It would be nice to be able to talk to people from this community over coffee, honestly, I'd really like that. ๐
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I do it for games where the dev has to proven to provide content I enjoy and want to support. Even then it's only really happened 2 times
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Do you have any favorite developers that you can name? :)
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The most recent one was Steve Gabry, the dev for Sally Face. I tend to prefer supporting people through patreons and gamewisp nowadays though :D monthly contributions are easier to talk myself into then a lump sum
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I'm glad to hear that, and even though I'm not directly affected by it, thank you for supporting developers who might not have the means to fund their own games, that's an awesome thing. ๐
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It's something I enjoy doing, not only getting something that I personally enjoy, but also being able to contribute in some way to its development, even if it's only monetary. Makes me happy
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I never pre-order and I recommend against it to anyone who asks. It's not like Steam is going to run out of day 1 copies and games are so inconsistent with their quality it's much better to see what the gameplay is like from trusted reviewers, twitch, and youtube before buying
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Yep, buying a short while after launch, especially if you're more informed about the game at that point, is much better from many points of view. Thanks for sharing your opinion. :)
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I've pre-ordered... 2(?) games? Both were indie games. One was Mountain, which was 0,99โฌ when pre-ordered (normal price) and I mostly did it because I wanted to pre-order just to see what it was like. The other was Mount & Blade: Warband - Viking Conquest, which I was extremely excited for. The benefit there was my excitement and the -10% discount.
With both games I was disappointed to an extent. M&B was glitchy and Mountain was falsely advertised (wasn't a god game and wasn't actually an active game, instead it was an interactive desktop essentially.
Overall, I only see the use for pre-ordering if one of these three points are met:
1) The game's discounted if you pre-order.
2) There were some in-game pre-order exclusives that are must-haves for you.
3) You absolutely need the game and would buy it anyways.
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Yeah, unless it's one of those things, as many have said, you're better off waiting a few days post-release and purchasing if you feel it's worth. :)
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I only pre-ordered Goodbye Deponia, and i got it from a trader on ST for a lower price in keys and It was worth it.
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I pre-ordered few games when they weren't region-locked to Russia so I could risk spending those $20 on them.
Now I would only pre-order price-bugs :D
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Hahaha, I haven't even thought of that. I guess there might be cases where pre-ordering is really advantageous. ๐
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Nope, never. Pre-ordering is silly, irrational and only encourages publishers to continue with their anti-consumer practices.
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Many have said that thing and I must agree. Unfortunately a large number of gamers do not see that problem, they are generally not aware of such industry issues.
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Exactly, which is why I think things, unfortunately. aren't going to change. No matter how vocal we are, we're still in the minority in the general gaming population.
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Yes, that's true... I wonder where we'll find ourselves a few years down the line. :)
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Congrats with your 1K sent giveaways, Quex and thank you for your giveaways. :-)
These days I do sometimes pre-order but much less that during the times of the hardcopy retail games.
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You're welcome, thank you, and thanks again for your input on the subject. :)
I suppose you pre-order if it's something that you're really excited for and you somewhat trust the publisher? ๐ curious.
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Pre-orders can be because (of a combination) of several reasons like something I really want\like, pre-order goodies, limited (hardcopy) editions, DLC\modules for games I have outside of Steam like ROF and DCS, a nice entry price\sale, ...
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Well done on reaching that milestone Quex and thanks for the chart. Worthy of a bump and I haven't entered anything.
Personally, I don't preorder games myself but I can see why some people want to help the developers make the game they want by doing this. Have a pleasant weekend and aye, a poll would have been good :)
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Oh, haha, well thanks for your two cents on the subject and supporting the thread.
I would've liked to create that poll to see a better representation of how many people pre-purchase their games and maybe for what reasons, but... maybe next time, or never. ๐
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I also don't preorder games, just because I can wait and have a big backlog anyway.
Besides this, you never know, if the game is a total mess (bugs, stupid gameplay...). And, in times of digital distribution, there aren't any shortages of physical copies..
Stuff like skins etc. don't really interest me as a bait to preorder. If there are things that give you an advantage in gameplay, the game is on the wrong way - in my opinion.
Btw: Gratz for your 1000 GAs. :)
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If that's what you think I guess you wouldn't like the new Shadow of War, or Star Wars Battlefront 2, or other similar games, there are lots of these being released now. ๐
Thanks a lot, and thanks for sharing your opinion on the matter.
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You're right. :) But I don't play multiplayer games anyway, not just because of the above mentioned reason.
I'm a little sad about "Shadow of War", because it's not a bad game, but a "No" is a "No" for me.
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Congrats on 1k sent! :)
I barely buy on release or even pre-order due to the fast sinking prices and my backlog. The last pre-order exception was Witcher 3.
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Thank you!
Lots of people say the same thing about Witcher 3. I've actually never seen anyone complain about the game. I'm so glad things like these exist. ๐
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I only pre-order if i would buy the game on release anyways
- which also implies that i got trust in the developer / publisher to not fuck up big time, i actually would be willing to pay full price, and i would definitely play the game...which is rather rare.
TL;DR: i basically never pre-order
Congrats on your 1k giveaways, lovely number (:
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Yeah, same. ๐
Thanks, and thank you once again for joining the discussion. :)
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No, never, but there is also no temptation because I can not afford it and congrats on the milestone Quex:)
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I pre-order physical games for my switch/3DS (and amiibo) at places like gamestop (Yeah yeah, I know people hate the place, but the employees at my gamestop are great and tell me about deals and other special things coming up, on top of which, I get to use my dad's gamestop membership so everything is 20% off for me which is nice!)
If its a game I plan to buy on Steam, I normally don't pre-order unless there's a bonus I actually want or a good sale. I got the Xcom 2 War of the Chosen DLC for $15 off on a site called Green man gaming, and I got a few other free games as well thanks to a blunder in release times on their part (which i was fine with since I wanted to wait for mods to update anyway)
The other "pre-order" I've done is supporting a kickstarter for a developer I really like (Arcen Games) in order to get a key for the game early in development, and a copy of the soundtrack files.
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I've personally got nothing against GameStop, though, yeah, they kinda have a reputation for treating their customers like crap and following sketchy business models. It's nice to hear you've got a friendly store there. :)
I understand, thanks for your opinion on the subject.
I wish I could support crowdfunded campaigns as well, some of those people really deserve the backing. :)
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No problem! I popped by this thread when i saw it and noted everyone bashing pre-orders, so i figured I'd try to be an advocate for the other side of things xD
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Yeah, I was initially expecting to get a few more responses in favor of pre-orders, but most of them had the same view as I did. ๐
I eventually got some valuable answers from people who support pre-ordering, so it's fine, and now I see the issue much clearer.
I still think they're not something to be endorsed because of the potential abuses, though I understand why someone would want to do it for himself. ๐
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I'm unaware of what kinds of abuses pre-ordering could be a subject to. Mind elaborating for me so I can take them into consideration?
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Sure.
One big and damaging thing that could happen is parts of a game being cut out and offered as a "pre-order bonus". I'm saying "could", but it's actually already happened, just take a look at the picture I provided in the main post. Besides that, there have been other games who cut out big parts of games (like a whole game-mode, for instance, in Dying Light) just to serve them as pre-order bonus. You could argue that it's actually something they have developed especially as a pre-order bonus, but that's not very likely considering the fact that a lot of these bonuses are given later to all the players and that development time and money would be wasted on a part of the game who many wouldn't probably get.
That's how it used to be, at least, nowadays pre-purchases are huge in numbers, that's why Assassin's Creed (or GameStop for that matter) can laugh in our faces almost saying that we're stupid enough to pre-order the games even so. And yes, we sadly are and support that kind of behaviour regardless...
Pre-order culture is here since the days of physical games and it has no reason to exist nowadays. If it didn't, maybe we would all get those so-called bonuses and people could purchase the game on day 1, doing no harm whatsoever to developers.
It's not only about cut content, it's more about, at least for me, putting your trust and money into the hands of some people you do not know and which can potentially harm you by taking advantage of it. Erm, partially do not know, one thing you can be sure about is that their main intent is to make money, since marketing is done by publishers. Publishers are businessmen, developers aren't generally the ones who come up with pre-ordering schemes.
There have been a lot of games in recent years that prove you cannot trust those kind of people until you see the product that you are purchasing. And why would you, after all? Why would people want to replace skepticism with blind faith?
If you ignore the pre-order bonus, there are still people who would like to pay early for something that they don't know they'll get.
And it's undeniable that you very often get burned. When that happens, it's not only about losing 60$, it's also about showing publishers that even though they released an unfinished product people have still supported it and could potentially continue to support similar behaviour in case they provide some... random thing... that goes with the game.
Pre-ordering is strongly tied to other anti-consumer practices like adding microtransactions in premium games, especially when the developer has promised to never do so or in the case where the microtransactions give players advantages in the multiplayer side of the game. Another thing is reselling the game as dozens of different versions, or not giving out review copies before release as that helps build trust in any way, or a thing which I don't even know how to name, the Warner Brothers 5$ DLC "honoring" a deceased member of the development team which was supposed to send the profit to his family but did not do so, not even close.
I'm saying... these people take our many numerous times and give us shit, and yet we choose to continue to trust them.
These things might not sound extremely convincing since basically all I'm saying is "that thing happened MANY times", "this is done A LOT", "that's a bad thing which KEEPS HAPPENING", but not naming anything. I could provide plenty of examples if you want, though for now I'm assuming you know about some yourself.
Now I was also probably talking with a lot of bias, that's unavoidable, since this is an opinion, but that's because I'm sick of seeing toxic anti-consumerism for years. I didn't want to sound aggressive towards people pre-purchasing games, I'm mad at the ones feeding us crap, and I'm sure that if everyone was aware of certain problems they would adopt a different stance... Although, as said before, we're a minority.
Later edit:
I looked it up a bit. Here are multiple sources that showcase maybe more well informed and better formulated opinions on the matter.
From the SG forums:
Here's zelghadis' discussion with KillingArts on this.
Youdontknow said something pretty funny but real on this as well.
Also, here's Vincer's comment.
And here's TotalBiscuit's video, I watched this just now and it's fine. This is 4 years old, it's even more relevant now.
These just came to mind. There are many others that offered a lot of valuable opinions in this thread, if you care to read more, though I guess this is enough.
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(sorry for taking so long to reply, got a little caught up in my college work ^-^;)
I've heard about things being cut from games as pre-order bonuses or DLC, but I've never seen it applied to the games that I play, so maybe I'm deep enough into my niche that it hasn't affected me yet.
I do agree with you though, digital "pre-ordering" really doesn't make much sense unless there's a good bonus incentive and/or sale, and not just something they will release later. It still makes sense for physical things that there is limited supply for (or a game/item you want to ensure you can get the day of release.) But I seem to be a niche in the physical-liking category when it comes to this site (Which makes sense, most of y'all are PC Master racers while I'm both a PC and Nintendo lover :P).
If I recall about the Warner brother's thing (I watched Rooster Teeth's gaming news show "The Know" about it since it came up on my feed recently) I believe I remember that they apologized about that DLC and made a direct donation to the family after changing the DLC to be free, so there's a bit of progress I guess...
I'm not a huge fan of the way micro-transactions are going either, with luck boxes and things that aren't cosmetics, but I tend to avoid the games that have them, the only one I play being Fire Emblem Heroes where the paid currency is Really easy to get for free with the same amount of effort as the non-paid currencies. (And they give it away a lot as log-in bonuses too.) They earned $40 from me after almost a full year of this good practice because I felt it was a justified purchase and I wanted to support the game (and get a few easy heroes too :P)
Things like extra cosmetics or jokey weapons/items that won't be end-game tier as bonuses for pre-order or micro-transactions seem fine to me, its a way the company can begin making its money back (Because of the higher cost of development these days) and it doesn't harm the gameplay experience (See Overwatch's cosmetic-only loot boxes).
Same thing with DLC Expansions that are already planned and have release dates (See Breath of the Wild or Fire Emblem Warriors, both made by a company that WILL deliver these things.) If they're offering it with an incentive, and I like the game/company, you'd be sure to see me ordering it so I can get the content as fast as possible (as well as that sweet bonus thingie). But any game that locks story content or has powerful weapons only availiable from day one behind a paywall or pre-order is pretty shifty... And its downright bad if those things are locked in a multiplayer game, where being on top is everything.
In any case, that's my stance on things.
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Well, it looks like we have very similar opinions on these issues, so there's not much to debate. ๐
I agree with you. I also don't mind planned DLC, I think it's fairly normal and I support it in some cases. It's weird when it comes out as day 1 DLC though...
And about Fire Emblem, I've heard about another game, forgot which one, that employed a similar system. You could pay for things, but it was fairly easy to gain them without paying, and I think that's great for players.
And I don't mind cosmetic microtransactions either if they're in free-to-play games... Otherwise, I don't know... I mean, I really like Overwatch and often play it, but the price they put on their stuff, the inability to directly buy what you want, the loot boxes... and it's a premium game, I already have paid for it... meh, Activision-Blizzard is not my favorite company for multiple reasons even more obvious lately.
And about Warner Bros... that doesn't really make up for it, especially considering how dodgy they were in making the facts clear about the donations they were going to make. Making the DLC free later is just saying "oh, we were caught doing some really disgusting stuff, umm... here's the DLC for free and some money, we cool?". I would've been very okay with it if they had promoted the whole thing as it really, not hiding everything in a small text, at the bottom of the screen, in the last second of the trailer, while shouting that everything will go to the family. Ugly business...
But that's about it with hating publishers. ๐
Otherwise, I'm glad to hear your experience with pre-purchases were fine up until this point and I hope you'll continue to have similar experiences in the future regarding the games you purchase.
Oh, and when it comes to this, physical goodies for ordering are my favorite kind of perk as well. ^^
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I guess you have a point with the Warner brothers thing, now that I know more it seems really sketchy...
I've also been hearing that EA is ditching Single player games, which kinda sucks seeing as those are more my speed than all this competitive multiplayer stuff...
Agreed with Overwatch, they really should have made it more straightforward. I mean for crying out loud they changed it to a currency system to avoid china banning the game for not sharing their loot box percentages... I'd say if you had to pay for the game, cosmetics should be direct in terms of how you buy them so you get what you pay for.
There's a reason I stick with mainly Nintendo games (and avoid spending the cash for an Xbox or Playstation system), and that's because of their pretty solid setup. They have a bunch of IPs I like, their systems are fun and unlike most other gamers, I like the gimmicks (Wii, Wii-U, Gamecube, DS/3DS, and Switch are all consoles I still own to this day and play often.) They're also pretty reliable and open about what games are coming up. I've not been too much of an indie gamer, only really picking up ones I really think I'll enjoy (Like Factorio, FTL, Duskers) but they've been supporting some decent indie parties too so that's cool.
To me, as much as I get that hardware changes and advances, I just see Xbox/Playstation as a huge money sink when you get basically the same system each generation. A PC at that point is a better deal for me as I'm not likely to be interested in the exclusives.
In any case, i seem to have rambled off into another debate... sorry!
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Naah ๐, it's fine, I enjoy talking. We could also talk more directly on Steam if you wanted to. :)
I like Nintendo's products too, mostly. From time to time they screw up or cause some controversy surrounding their name, but regardless of that, the company seems to know what it's doing. They keep every major IP on their own platforms and keep reiterating on them, perfecting their craft. I think the design in many of the company's games is great, and their marketing as well.
I used to be a huge Pokemon fan ๐
... I'd buy some of their stuff too, but considering Romania's economy... uh... I won't so soon.
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Sure! Feel free to add me if you want, I play a lot of Singleplayer games but i do have a few multi-players I pick up from time to time (Right now I've had a dead by daylight fix thanks to the new DLC coming out.)
I used to be a Pokemon fan too, still am, but ORAS (the new Ruby and Sapphire) kinda turned me off of it because of the mega evolution focus. (I'm a simple dude who loves his Eevees and makes eeveelution-exclusive teams every time he plays because that's my jazz xD). Thinking of picking up sun and moon, but its not a priority because of Odyssey coming out this Friday.
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I can barely follow you.. ๐
I'm waaay behind with the Pokemon games. I used to own a Gameboy Advance and I kinda stopped at that stage. I've played the games from RB/G to RSE dozens of times, especially the latter ones, but after those I had only tried Platinum (I think) on an emulator once. I'd love to get back into them, but it seems like so many games that have come out since then...
And I probably feel too comfortable with the pokemon up to the third and maybe forth generation, everything beyond that seems like a lot of stuff to learn and I'm not sure if I'm willing to right now.
I'd still watch the show too, and I try every now and then, but it's sort of repetitive nature kinda puts me off every time I attempt that.
Anyway, I've just added you on Steam! ^^
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Haha, I feel you with the new pokemon. I stick with the Eevee family because I don't wanna learn any of the newer Pokemon either xD
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Congrats, Quex, on your 1000 giveaways!
Regarding Preordering....
I don't have any friends (just kidding - I think!), so there's no need to for me to pre-order or pay full price for anything until all the hype is played out in the general public. I just wait for games to go on deep discounts and snatch them then. Sure I could be waiting a year or two, for what's out now, but I've got a severe backlog of games anyway.
I personally think the whole pre-order thing is a gimmick. Back in the late 80's when games were on cartridges and you had to go from store to store to see if you could find a copy of the "new" Super Mario 3 game (since they all sold out quick), a pre-order would've been the bomb.
Today, with everything being digital, it doesn't quite matter at all (unless you're still using console based games with limited release quantities).
But, regarding culture, I think, especially for younger (geez, am I saying that word) players, you've got school and play (and a lot of free time), and if you've got a bunch of gaming buddies, then chances are the group will want to get the same game, play with each other / talk about the game, etc. Put that in with the need to have it as soon as possible, and throw in some 'pre-order' bonuses, you set the stage for "oooh, shiny! I need it now!", and the pre-order button makes it easy to do it. That, and if anything stays the same, it would be the status of, "That game? Oh, yea, I've already pre-ordered it and I'll be playing it as soon as it comes out (You want it? I've already got it, and its no big thing!)" is probably still a thing.
And, speaking of digital media...
Honestly, if it weren't for Steam, I'd probably just (I know, here comes the bad word) pirate games, but with Steam, I've got a digital copy that I can download anytime and play once I purchase it, and I'm not worried about hard drive space, etc. I pay them a couple bucks for a 'legit' copy in my account, and I'm good to go when I feel like opening that baby up to play. Overall, not a bad deal, and the devs get some money out of it, of course!
Frankly, I'm surprised that it hasn't been considered illegal to cut content or give extra content of a game based on your order status. Could be like saying, well if you pre-order this medication, it will be 100% potent, otherwise, if you buy it when it comes out, you'll get the 70% potency version. Hrrm? Just doesn't seem fair to me really. But, as they say, life isn't fair. :D
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You are very right in your last argument, it's a similar issue and it should be carefully thought out.
I also agree with pre-purchasing in case of groups or people who want to experience the games firsthand or simultaneously with others within a certain community. Haven't really thought much about it, thanks for your insight.
This made me think that I should edit the thread later, I have learned a lot from you guys.
About discounts, I've said it before, from a consumer's standpoint it's the best deal to just get the game at a big discount, especially when you already have games to play in the meantime, but unfortunately the industry needs people to buy on launch or shortly after in order to function. Luckily or not, lots of people do that right now, we who wait and discuss these matters are, surprisingly to me, a minority. ๐
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I hear ya. I look at it this way - its not my money, so if someone else wants to pre-order, more power to them. I know that my funds are limited and the farther I can make them stretch the better. If I was rolling in dough, I'd probably never think twice about snatching up a game, or working again for that matter! :)
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Only if there's a huge price bug, which basically doesn't happen anymore. Now I just wait for the inevitable GOTY edition at 60-80%+ off.
Unless it's an indie game that I know I'll end up buying soon anyway and want to support the devs. Once they finally update their store pages I would like to preorder Hand of Fate 2 and Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord.
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Interesting. :) It seems that people who wait for discounts are a large majority here on our community.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the topic!
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Did it only once, but just because I could get BL2 at a good discount (paid 35โฌ instead of 50).
With a little bit of patience as a pc gamer I can get that game a few months later on huge sales, maybe even GOTY, and most of all all patched up.
In the meantime I always have something else to play (usually other games I bought with the same practice).
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As I do, and many others. ๐
It's weird, yeah, the first people to buy a game generally end up being the ones who get the worst version of the game, most of them get patched later.
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Congrats on 1000 sent games. That's crazy.
Personally, I don't see much of an advantage in pre-ordering games. The only times I've done it were when I knew I was going to play the game a lot and when there was also typically some bonus for pre-ordering.
The first one was Fire Emblem Fates. I'm a HUGE fan of the series. It was awhile ago, but I think pre-ordering allowed me to get a small discount on the game along with free keychains of a few of the characters. Since I was going to buy it eventually anyway, why not get some money off?
The other time I can remember was for Overwatch. I knew I was going to buy the game when it came out because I wanted to play with a friend, and you got a special skin (Noire Widowmaker) for pre-ordering.
I mean, I'm not really against pre-ordering either. I can definitely see myself doing it in the future if it's a company/series I really like (Telltale Games, The Elder Scrolls, Fire Emblem, etc) just to support them. People should just think it through before doing so like they would with any other purchase :)
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I pre-ordered Fates as well, managed to get one of the ultimate editions with all three on the one cartridge, which was amazing.
I tend to pre-order physical things, weather it's a game I want to ensure I get for my console, a special edition like the fates bundle, or an amiibo, just knowing that my thing will be there is nice.
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And suddenly, I am very jealous D: I wish I got one of those. I can't say I'd pre-order all physical things because when it comes to gaming, I buy most things digitally now. In some cases, like the SNES Classic, it guarantees you a copy before the item is sold out too.
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I getcha, pre-ordering something digital really doesn't make sense to me either unless there's a bonus or a really good discount. But for my nintendo consoles, I like having the physical games, it just feels right...
sorry for making you jealous x_x
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Thanks, and thank you for your valuable input! :)
Physical rewards and a discount for pre-ordering sounds like a pretty good deal. ๐
Oh, and I used to be a huge fan of The Elder Scrolls as well and would've loved to support the developers more if Bethesda wasn't so anti-consumer in the last few years...
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Pre-Ordered Witcher 3 for 30 USD.
And Defenders Quest 2, which is still to be released.
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I can agree with Witcher being worth buying early. I haven't played 3 yet and have just started the first game recently, but I know a lot about the games and they're amazingly well done. :)
Thanks for answering!
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The first one is a lot different from the others, (gameplay and camera) but it has its own charme.
Think i played it 4 or 5 times, because you can get another progression, based on the decisions you made.
Witcher 3 is the masterpiece, i cannot remember that i have ever played a game with a very huge story like this,
even not Skyrim or something else.
I would recommend you to play them in the right order, because lots of the characters play their role further.
Hope you have a nice time with them. :)
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Thank you!
I already am having a great time and I'm planning on continuing, playing them in order, maybe with the same character in 2 and 3 if it's possible. But yes, I know they're different, I've mainly fallen in love with the games when I saw a friend play Witcher 3 and then went on to research the games a bit. ๐
I used to absolutely love Skyrim, but while the world and lore in The Elder Scrolls is indeed immense, in The Witcher it seems much more real and its bits much better connected to each other. If you're also a fan of interconnected story elements, um, maybe try Dark Souls. At the moment it stands at the top of my favorite games especially because of its world building and design, the series is amazing.
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Will check Dark Souls, thought it is more strategy than rpg...
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I don't think it involves strategy at all, except the one you go fight bosses with. =)
If you want to get into the games, it's best to start with the first one, grab a controller and DSFix to run it well, not obligatory, but recommended. ๐
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oh...well....first i have to buy a controller then....dont have any at the moment. :)
Is it not possible to play with kb+mouse ?
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It is possible, though most people seem to think it's not that comfortable... It's a PS3 port, so it's been made with a controller in mind, but you can still try KB+M and see how it works.
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Good day, Steamgifts!
I want to chat with you over a cup of tea, coffee or another beverage of your choice, about a topic which I don't see directly addressed here. ๐
Do you pre-order video games?
If you do, why do you choose to do this? Do you see any advantages in it? Is it to support some particular developer or publisher?
Talk about your experiences. And regardless of doing it or not, what's your opinion on the popular culture of pre-ordering?
I'm curious what you have to say.
I, for one, never do it because I don't see any advantage to pre-purchasing games, especially when it comes to purchasing on Steam or other digital platforms, where the acquisition of games isn't limited by number of copies available.
I'm also a bit skeptic of games until they came out and mostly like to wait for reviews of the game before purchasing.
Relevant picture below...
Update on the talk:
Many of you have answered my question and given your varied opinions on the topic. Thanks for joining.
My main curiosity was how much of our community supports the practice, but I found out much more.
Besides talking about pre-purchasing specifically, I have heard a lot of views on purchasing games in general and the particularities of certain games you guys enjoy supporting through pre-purchasing (in many of its forms, like crowdfunding or the usual pre-order through Steam).
The following thing is an opinion. Honestly in this debate no one can actually be wrong, just not as right. ๐
Many of you have pointed out an idea with which I agree:
Yes, it is much better from an individual buyer's standpoint to wait until a game reaches a big discount in order to purchase that game, even more so if that person already has a backlog filled with games waiting to be played in the meantime. You can't force someone not to do this, and if you want to save money it's the best choice.
But, I'm pretty sure the industry needs people to purchase games immediately after launch, otherwise it wouldn't function as it does.
With that in mind, I suggest to all of you (and I should do this myself from time to time) to invest a little more in games you pretty much know you will like, buying them early. That sort of thing keeps developers moving forward. ๐
About pre-ordering them, I'm not so sure I'd suggest it even in that case. It's, again, beneficial from a personal point of view, but as some of you have said as well, I believe it affects the gaming industry at large in a negative way, showing publishers that pre-ordering is endorsed by us.
It's not an intrinsically bad thing, but it leaves a lot of space for abuse, and a bit of consumer skepticism is always good.
That's it, thanks.
Also, I've reached 1000 sent games, so cheers to that! โ
Here are some more giveaways, since you guys seem to be loving these things.
I haven't prepared ahead, so there's no big special giveaway this time, just bundled things I had stacked over time, most of them from Humble.
I've made a table for your convenience.
Hope you enjoy the giveaways and that the level requirements are fair.
You can bump the thread even if you don't want to talk about it, but it's not necessary to do it just because you entered a giveaway. Feel free not to bump, keep the giveaways a secret in case you want more winning chances. ๐
*Let me know if you want to temporarily (or not, who knows) join my whitelist, in case you are really interested in playing Guild of Dungeoneering and want a shot at it. Just leave a comment if it's the case. Some other guys from my whitelist also had the game wishlisted, and it just happened to be lying around here.
Damn, I should've made a poll.
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