Should point income rate be reduced?
Don't fall asleep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkiI2vM2lfA&t=2m24s
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You're only here for 2 days and already you're making suggestions... Look some games cost a lot of points and you can easily run out of them (points) when people give those away, or you might find a lot of games being given away all of them which you really want.
I usually get back to 300 over-night as well, that's a good thing. You start each day with 300 points.
Anyway, welcome to Steamgifts and please refrain from making suggestions until you get more experience here. A lot of things that new people complain about really aren't an issue.
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Plus suggestions from new people are usually already discussed many times before.
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I'm surprised at the amount of people in this thread who seem to think that your opinion is less valid because you haven't been a member of the site for long. Please let me assure you that not everyone feels this way.
On topic, personally I think that point generation is generous. It's a lot faster than it used to be. I would not mind a reduction in points generation, but it wouldn't really affect me either way.
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I think that point generation is generous. It's a lot faster than it used to be
Yeah, but I think that's mainly because there are significantly more giveaways created now.
Didn't even the regeneration rate got reduced ? As far as I know it's currently 5% of the value of the giveaway, but didn't it use to be 10% ?
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My memory might be playing tricks on me but I believe that only public giveaways generated points before v2, which is no longer the case.
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Oh I didn't know this had changed. So all giveaways generate points in the same way? (i.e. public/private/group)
As far as I know, before v2 all public GAs generated points at 10% of their points-value. It also used to be instant rather than grouped every 15 mins (I'm sure you know about this, just adding into the mix for those reading).
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not to put myself on neither of sides in this comment, but wanted to point one thing.
I think that in this particular case it does actually matter how long OP has been registered, as in one day he couldn't gather enough data to be able to judge the topic he started. Points regeneration varies a lot depending on many factors like time of a day (people being online in evenings, most of users from EU and Americas, so evening in these areas give better regeneration) time of a week (more people on weekends), time of a month (paycheck coming), is affected by big bundle sites (like Humble), Steam Sales (like we currently had) and many others. In less than a day of observation one couldn't possible gather enough information to be able to judge it let alone decide that there's something wrong with it, that's why I think many people brought "Registered 1 Day Ago" argument.
If one would make a suggestion to for example remove Space Cat or add option to disable it because he's epileptic and it made his head hurt - the argument would be valid even if user registered 2 hours ago and won 1 hour ago. If one makes an argument about tweaking the system before he was even able to fully observe how the system works - then the fact that he just registered does matter.
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+1 I like it if new people are interested and want to help improve the site / community, but they shouldn't just draw a conclusion from so little data on things like this.
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i have my driver license for a day
and i think that there should not be speed limit, the cars are moving soooooo slooooooooow
im a good driver and i will be ok driving through city 100km/h, i know i will
my opinion is not less valid just because i have my driver license only for a day
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I can't really say whether it should or not I guess... Because I don't even look at my points.. It doesn't really matter to me even if it's decreased. (I am sure they are always over 200)
But I don't think it would be a bad thing at all :D
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I voted for "Reduce points by over 80%"
I don't get why so many people are resistant to lowering the point reduction, I guess it's some line of thinking that "because I'm entering less, I'm missing out" which is hardly the case.
- The number of overall wins on the site will stay the same as long as point generation isn't reduced to some unreasonable amount, such as "1 point per month" because then you might start to see large number of giveaways (mostly group/private) end with no entries, even on a site with as many users as this
- The win distribution would most likely not change very much, technically people who rarely use the site would "benefit" from a change like this over people who constantly enter giveaways 24/7, but I'm of the belief that as long as the point generation reduction is within limits, then the difference will be negligible
- Yes, you can't enter as many giveaways but the giveaways you do enter (presumably the ones you want to win the most) will have fewer entries, thus you'll have better odds of winning giveaways you do enter. I wouldn't be surprised if public giveaways of new highly coveted games might not show off this effect as much (i.e. they'll still have just as many entries as before, or at least not proportionally fewer entries), however.
- Similar to the above, overall we should see more winners who actually want the game they won
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80% might be too big move throwing the system off balance. Agreed on the rest )
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Agree with you both, and that 80% might be too much, but as I wrote in an earlier post I'd suggest basing the points cap and point regeneration rate on a target of achieving the max amount of points in roughly a 24 hour period, so it would be normal for users to log on once every 24 hours. If they wanted to log on more than that, that's completely fine of course but it doesn't mean they'll have a tonne of points to use willy nilly.
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+1 to that. The system shouldn't give botters an advantage.
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I have vouched for reduction for ages. Public giveaways have quite many entries because points are plenty and mostly worthless in the long run i.e. they return (too) fast enough. Reducing the rate of point generation and perhaps some increase to the cap would do good in my opinion.
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try to live outside usa and earn in currency different than euro/dollar
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I don't really care either way. Raise it, lower it, leave it the same - no matter. I'm here more for the community and to give away some games and have fun meeting some new people, so winning a few games here and there is just a bonus.
I never spend all my points anyway, and most days - after entering the GAs I like, I sit at 290-300 points the for the rest of the day while I spam the forums. :X
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I like it the way it is. Also depends on when you sleep and what day. When there are days with good bundles you will be up to your eyeballs in points (and you will need them). During the daytime hours for me though, point generation is slow (and I sleep during the day).
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I agree, it's too easy to enter pretty much any giveaway you could ever want and more. If we had less points, there would be a better chance of winning, and maybe people would be a little more discriminate about their entries and only choose games they would actually play. Or maybe not ;)
Still, I voted for reduction by 60 - 80%
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I don't have any problem with it, sometimes I run out of points, other times I don't, I can only imagine someone who doesn't have as many games as me, they probably run out almost all the time..
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My two cents is point limit should be relative to your level or giveaways done, maxed at 300 points (or whatever % reduction people want). If you want to be able to join more GAs, give more. Sure there might be a spike in regifters but it only shows that they don't really care to read the rules and it's better to weed them out.
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[x] Hey people are earning too much. I think we should make everybody poorer because otherwise my ocd get's set off thinking about how people are forced to spend spend spend ...
:/
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i always end with with 200 point remaining once i'm done.
Id rather be able to enter the same giveaway multiple times.
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I think the point system is pretty good the way it is, but it does encourage people to enter for games they don't want just because they have the points and they know they will lose them if they don't use them. As the site becomes more popular and more people create giveaways, the points regenerate faster and if you leave for more than a few hours, you max out at 300 points which means the people that sit on the site all day or use bots get an advantage.
I think this encourages people to use bots and enter for stuff they don't want just to increase their number of games on steam. I think a small change would cause people to think about what they are entering for and give better odds to the people that actually want to play the games.
Without putting too much thought into it, I would think it would be good to reduce the point generation by about 25-30% and increase the total you can hold to 400.
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All you have to do is enter for GAs that still have a week or more running and so park them.
Nobody needs to spend all their points, although I can understand resisting the urge is not so easy sometimes :)
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I hit the cap even when I'm online on the site... I join only games that I might like and right now they are few.
Don't be anxious about entering everything, with time you will win a lot and often
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Come to think about it...
The users who sleep during the peak hours end up getting less usable points per day. Because they hit the cap while asleep, and the excess points are lost. Whereas those who sleep during the off-peak hours rarely hit the cap, unless they oversleep.
Might be good if that were evened out a bit.
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I would raise the point cap instead. I would be more selective if I had less of a feeling points go wasted if you don't use them somewhere, but I wouldn't want to have to do more point juggling because of scarcity.
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Here's some data on the use of bots to get past the point overflow issue.
Hosted a giveaway with a link to an invite giveaway of the same game and left it running for 24 hours. 101 people entered the public giveaway, but only one single person actually entered on the other giveaway on that description!
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Go7bD/revolution-ace
If people have to use autojoin to not overflow there's something wrong.
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Please, rather do a screenshot of the entry numbers - giveaway is region locked to South America, noone else can check it :\
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Not only were both copies region-locked, almost everyone has that game.
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That still doesn't change the fact that 101 people entered, and only one read the description :|
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Not quite.
1 comment on the linked giveaway:
because i already own this game :o
So, yes, a lot of bots and/or add-ons, but there would probably be a lot more than 1 entry if it were a different game. Most SA-locked lvl 1 GAs get 200-500 entries.
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If people WANT to use autojoin to not overflow there's something wrong.
fixed for you.
cheating isn't required to enjoy steamgifts.
and yes, if people use an autojoin script to enter giveaways, there's obviously something wrong with them.
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i have around 170 points every time i wake up
do you sleep whole day?
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Anything that affects the status quo hits nerves, but feel free to question CV and/or levels.
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IMO the point income rate should be lowered. I literally can't sleep without hitting the point cap by the time i wake up.
A reduced income rate would make users consider entering only on giveaways of interest to them.
Edit: Whoa, i definitely hit people's nerves!
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