Ever studied other culture folklore before?
I am Korean. Not an expert or maniac but might be able to help you searching Korean websites?
Not 100% sure but I think Shin-Ryeong is term used for spirit in every objects. May be you are talking about Gumiho, nine tailed fox?
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Hey there,
Thank you for your response <3
Looks like you are right her name is Kumiho (Gumiho) and she has nine tails according to Wiki
That actually explains why I was struggling with finding information about her =/
Although, I am kinda confused with Shin-Ryeong is term used for spirit in every objects...I dont think I am on the same page and understood you there...Can you give me more details?
Also, I wanna study other things from Korean culture as well.
Since this is your native culture, can you advise me accurate and trustworthy website/book, history TV series, etc about your culture?
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Sorry for my bad English :(
Shin-Ryeong is term describing every spiritual or divine entity. Kind of animism I think?
For example, the San(mountain)-Shin-Ryeong, appearing in many stories, means godlike spirit living in mountain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansin
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Oh now I see what you meant xD
Thank you for the link I will check included in that article books to study it.
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Well I dont know very well about good sources...not many people search about their own culture:(
I guess wiki and its references are good enough?
http://www.kocis.go.kr/eng/openPublications.do
This site is made by government. Some informations are very specific and trendy, but some are silly.
Choi, Won-Oh - An Illustrated Guide to Korean Mythology
I found pdf file in web, and this looks nice.
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The silly part scares me so I guess I will pass kosic.go website.
The illustrated guide actually is another story! I will definitely pay attention to that.
This is probably one of the things I was looking for. Thank you and enjoy your membership in bluehearts club.
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Glad if I helped! Feel free to ask me in steam chat.
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Is it a common tradition in China, South Korea, Vietnam and Japan?
The legend of the nine-tailed fox.
It is said to have originated in China, but it seems that the number of tails has changed while doing "badness" in various places, and the number of tails seems to be different in each area.
If you refer to the ones of each country on Wikipedia, you will find the description in a different way.
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Yeah I have found short descriptions of Kumiho (Korean), Huli jing (Chinese) and Kitsune (Japanese) foxes which are some kind of relatives.
That is actually good because there is a way to compare her in terms of different people beliefs.
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Are you hard to find out?
九尾の狐 - Wikipedia https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E5%B0%BE%E3%81%AE%E7%8B%90
구미호 - 위키백과, 우리 모두의 백과사전 https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EA%B5%AC%EB%AF%B8%ED%98%B8
Cửu vĩ hồ – Wikipedia tiếng Việt https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E1%BB%ADu_v%C4%A9_h%E1%BB%93
九尾狐 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E5%B0%BE%E7%8B%90
妲己 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A6%B2%E5%B7%B1
When looking up details in other literature, many old Chinese literature is owned by Japan.
(For the book burning of "Qin Shi Huang" & Local War)
You can also search from there.
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It is not hard to find but the thing is I asked support of people who have knowledge in that matter.
Not all the information is trustworthy and accurate in the internet so I want to avoid misleading as much as possible.
And I dont think that asking for help should be ashamed =/
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(o'Θ'))yup yup
Rather, it is good to listen without thinking "shame".
It seems that there are many people on earth who think that it is "shame" to not know things as they get older.
In my opinion, it is a "sign of dementia."
Knowing is the way people live.
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I am sorry If I offended you in any way...
This thread is about learning and educating and I definitely did not want to hurt or anger anyone.
I am grateful for the links and help you provided and hope we are cool after that/
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?I'm not angry at all, right?
Perhaps there is a flaw in the translation device.┐(´Θ`)┌<It's common.
Did you get the information you need?
I would be happy if I got together.😄
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I think you misinterpreted Kappa's words here. I'm not sure what exactly his wording was in "Are you hard to find out?", but please keep in mind that he uses a translator from Japanese, so I'm 100% sure it wasn't as offensive at all as it became after the translation. I think it was smth more like, "are you having difficulties in searching about it?". When you talk to Kappa — take only essentials facts, not wording :) actually, it's like that for all non-native speakers — sometimes we can be rude without even realizing it
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I know it's Japanese and not Korean, but if you are interested in the comparison, I found this site to be very fascinating in terms of Japanese folklore http://yokai.com/kitsune/. There are many stories and background on not just the Kitsune, but also many other aspects. I wish you all the best in your search!
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foklore:
Samguk Yusa/삼국유사 compiled by Iryeon. <- this sounds like the most you want to read
Samguk Sagi/삼국사기 by Kim Busik.
famous fiction:
Three Generations/삼대 by Yom Sang-seop.
The Cloud Dream of the Nine/구운몽 by Kim Manjing.
Sonagi/소나기 by Hwang Sun-won.
history:
A Review of Korean History, vol. 1-3 by Han Young Woo.
Sources of Korean Tradition, vol. 1-2 by Peter Lee, Choe Yang ho, Hugh Kang.
Great Korean Portraits by Cho Sun-mie.
The Memoirs of Lady Hyegyong/한중록 by Hong Hyegyeong, translated by JaHyun Kim Haboush.
Reflections on the National Crisis During the Japanese Invasion of Korea, 1592-1598 징비록
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Wow that`s is the closest to my "want to find" picture.
Especially Samguk Yusa by Iryeon looks very promising!
Can I ask you:
Did you suggest those sources because you studied them or your friend/close family member did and gave you a positive feedback about it?
Or you found it in the internet based on general feedbacks from others?
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i knew that china has 4 classic novels, so i thought maybe korea has the same. so i googled "reddit classic korean novels" and in the first link there is a guy that posted all these novels
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Oh well that works as well xD
Thank you for sharing those source links
Added to the blueheart party :)
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You can read korean? If not, I believe that the best way to learn about folklore is to speak with native people, the older the better. But, as you put, you're far away from Korea, so that would be very hard. Maybe you can join an korean group on Steam, or another large korean community online, and try to talk directly to people.
I'm brazilian, so there's not much I can help you with, besides what's already in here
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Unfortunately, I can not read/speak korean so only english is an option.
Joining korean community/group sounds like a good idea which I considered before.
I keep that as a plan B in case if I will not find enough information here.
Sending hello to a warm Brazil from a cold Russia xD
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Hello, YoRHaKira, I'm Korean. Now it's 2:18 at night here, so I would go sleep after writing this, but can help you a little.
Is this your official dissertation, or do you wish to study for your own interest? If it's the latter, I can write some information I know. If it's the former, you would need real source(trying to search for such information written in English might be hard, but anyway, we may try).
I believe Kumiho, the fox with nine tails, has been shared by other cultures as well. In Pokemon, which is Japanese, there are 2 Pokemons - Sixtail and Ninetail (the English names may be different, that's what I know in the Korean version).
In my country, it is widely known that Kumiho slaughters household cows and eats their livers. Would do this also to humans to take their livers.
Or, Kumiho is said to be able to become a human, if 'she' marries a man and can conceal her true self for 100 days.
(There's another story I know about Kumiho, which includes a maxim, but let me add this later.)
You'd already know this, but just in case - Ahri, from the League of Legends, originates from Kumiho.
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Another story about Kumiho as follows:
There was a rich man who had 3 sons. He really wanted to have a daughter, and finally he got one. He loved her so much.
After a few years, something strange started to happen. Every morning ,the cows in the house were found dead one by one. The rich man told the oldest son to stay as the night guard. The following night, he witnessed his sister coming out of her room, doing somersaults for 3 times, and becoming a nine-tailed-fox. She killed a cow, ate its liver, and went back to her room.
In the morning he told his father what he saw, but he got enraged and expelled his son away from his house. The second son did the same night guard, saw the same going on, and told his father the same story, only to face the same result. The third son, who saw the same thing, however, decided to conceal the truth and stay in the house.
Later, the two sons go back to their home, wondering what would have happened since their absence, but there was nothing but the ruin of the devastated house.
(The maxim of the story is - pay attention to what the others say.)
It seems like this story has some variations. One of those are - the other two sons fell asleep and couldn't see what happened, and the youngest son saw the truth, but was expelled by his father. He got to meet a monk and was given mysterious 3 vases. He went back to his home, faced the sister(Kumiho), and used 3 vases. The first one created thornbush, the second created the flood of water, and the last created the fire and burnt the Kumiho.
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Hello there, Sengda ;)
Thank you for detailed explanations and interesting detail <3
I also realized that I "met" Kimuho a very long time ago.
As you mentioned, some pokemons were based on her but I also thought "Hmmm...They are just a random mythical creatures developed for the pokemon show"
After that I saw Ahri from LoL...I actually never played LoL but saw tons of Ahri`s artworks.
So I assumed that maybe they just used a girl-fox mix cos it does look cool not gonna lie.
And recently overwatch added Kumiho skin for DVA with the name Shin-Ryeong and they actully made a small explanation in "from design to ingame item" video.
That Shin-Ryeong thingy really interested me...So I only knew basic info aka:
1) she is a fox themed magical creature;
2) she is kinda evil;
3) she is connected with the rooftops (I guess thats her fast travel option);
4) she is very elusive and sneaky.
So I started to learn more about her but was actually struggling basically cos i used Shin-Ryeong name cos Bllizard used Shin-Ryeong name for some reason
But the main thing is, this is the start point of me gettining interested of Korean culture itself not only Kimuho.
And for the Kumiho origin stories...I did not know about 3 sons story...Thats actually very helpful and interesting.
Thank you sooo much for that.
And yeah...By the way...Welcome aboard the blueheart ship
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Good to see a foreign person who has interest in my culture. I've already read what the other user wrote so didn't specify Shin-Ryeong. It would have been far better if I could find a website which provides information in English, but I didn't want to present the link from Wiki.
Anyway, thank you for sharing a spot in your WL, my principle is to add back such generous people. Good news for you is - yesterday I created a small contribution for the users on my WL. You may try your luck.
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I know a Korean guy on steam but not sure if I can post his steam profile here
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Sadly I am not qualified to contribute to the topic, my knowledge about kitsune/gumiho myth is surface-level at best. I am just a hungarian weeb afterall. But this is an interesting discussion, I would love to read more about this too! :)
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If you haven't, I highly recommend watching Lovecraft Country episode 6, there is a Kumiho in it, and it works as a standalone story so you don't need to watch the other episodes.
I don't think you will learn anything from it but if you can handle a very crude story and gore, you may like it.
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Greetings everyone,
Thank you for checking this very strange and nonstandard Steamgifts topic.
For those who came just for the GA: here you go
Those who are actually want/able to help here is the drill:
I have become very abscessed with Korean folklore for god
s sake dont ask how and why xD even tho that country is far from mine and have a little connection with it.So the thing is I am trying to to find some good quality articles/books/explanation videos, etc. about Korean mythology, legends and fairy-tales but seems like it is quite a challenge Never thought that finding something in the internet would be a problem =_= .
I wanna study the whole thing but the most interesting thing for me right now is
Shin-RyeongKumiho aka Magicalsixnine tailed fox.So if you:
1) have any source which you used before for finding information like that any source
2) are familiar with Korean folklore especially if you live in Korea and can tell me those things in steam chat
Please contact me here or in Steam.
People who would support me the most with this study will be thanked additionally.
With all that said, stay home, stay safe and see ya later <3
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