So, uhm, I'm not sure where suggestions are supposed to be submitted, so yeah...
Anyways, what would you think of the feature to be able to enter a giveaway multiple times with one account?
Each entry takes the same amount of points and just adds another copy of your name into the list.
I thought it might be a good idea, because I've been getting very many points lately, meaning I can enter on all games I really want, and those that I slightly want, and still have points left over. Greedy as I am, I'll then spend them on games I know I'd barely play even if I won them.
So, it would enable people to have higher chances to win something they REALLY want to play, instead of stuff they might play for 15 minutes, and then never again.

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Everyone deserves the same chance, no matter how much they have contributed or won or size of their entries. The only expection being Contributor limits to let you in.
Also this is Steamgifts, not steamraffles

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Everyone does have the same chance. Everyone has the same point income and they can enter however many times they want to. If you really, really want it, spend all your points, if not, don't enter, or enter only a few times. If everyone is supposed to have equal chances, why even bother with letting you choose where to enter, just automatically enter every person on the site.

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If you put 9 entries into one game, and I put 1 entry into that game. You then have a 90% chance of winning, where as I only have 10%, so in what world is 90% = 10% (and not smart arse replies like oh when you have 10% of 900 and 90% of 100 -_-). How would you then feel if every game you entered you had to spend 300p on a 5p game, and then you either get something stupid like 10k entries or someone entered with one entry and won (pretty sure you'd come onto the forums and complain about how you should be entitled to win something with all your extra entries and not getting it)
Because giving someone the freedom to choose, lets them pick games they will enjoy if they win, I'm not sure what you're tastes are but I dont quite see you playing Barbie Dress Up 2012

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Okay, so assuming I put 9 entries into a game, and you only put 1... I got a question, why'd you only put 1? Either you didn't have enough points, (Meaning you spent them on something else you also wanted to win, while I couldn't because I spent my points on this.) or you didn't want to enter that many times because you'd rather spend your points on something else. (Read the previous text between parentheses.) And as to how I would feel... I'm not saying you HAVE to spend all your points on one game. If I do however spend all my points and enter 60 times, and they win with 1 entry, bad luck. But I'll still have 60x higher chances of winning, so it would rarely happen.

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Okay, NO.

I don't think this'd be all too good of a thing to do. Kinda like alt accounts entering the same giveaway.

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Well, they've taken measures to prevent too many alt accounts. And currently, alt accounts CAN enter the same giveaway. I don't see your point.

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Alt accounts aren't allowed here.

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I know, and I hate people who use them. Sadly, I can't do anything about it, other than not create them myself.

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Hate is a strong word.

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I could see you spending the rest of your life in a cell for Assault and Battery

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I saw 5 of these points in the last few days, I think. They were all shot down.

That's a horrible idea.

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Suggested countless times. No thank you.

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Please link me to some of those suggestions, I want to find an argument that would convince me.

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Open main forum page and type "Multiple entries" in search feature. That's just few threads of many about same thing.

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I'll save you the trouble.
The main reason is that people won't have a fair chance.

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Yeah, that's a reasonable argument. If you were to explain how it's true. Everyone has an equal chance.

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I really need to explain? Not everyone is going to waste all their points on one giveaway to increase their entry.

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Then they don't want the game all that much, and it's better off with the person who did spend all their points on it.

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It won't be a fair giveaway if someone could use all their points in the giveaway, it's not really something to argue about, it's common sense.

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Yes, but it would be a fair giveaway if EVERYONE could use all their points in the giveaway. I'm not saying this feature should only be given to a few select people.

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You are miss reading my comments.. Also that's the wrong way to do bold text..

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Sorry, I tried understanding your post. Also, I'm sorry I don't know how to format text, and how to have my post on multiple lines. 'cause oddly the enter key does not provide me with the desired results.

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The site uses markdown. To have new lines you need to enter two of them. You can read more in the Formatting Help FAQ.

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And that's another sentence that is said a lot. The site doesn't chose the winner by who wants the game the most, it gives the game to someone at random. Someone who has a fair chance as much as everyone else.

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So you're saying it's better if games go to people who don't want them, rather than those who do?

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... That's why you only should enter the giveaways for the games you really want "Troll-o-meter gives high indication of presence"

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While I'm not for this suggestion, I have to say that I can't trust people with that. There are some who would join any giveaway regardless, just to win something because they must have that 2012 Revelation. Some just want to win no matter what.

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Yes I know, that's why everything should be capped more. Like 200p and a limited entries per day, that way people would prioritize their entries.

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Well, a lower point cap would just cause people to visit more frequently. While I am okay with the limited entries thing. But that renders the point system useless.

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But then I have points left over. Heck, maybe lower the point generation to 2% or 1%, that's an alternative solution. Not even joking.

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Keep those points that are left over then.

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This

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I can't, I have limited storage. I'd gladly let them build up to thousands.

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Just stop what you are trying to do.. Just stop..

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So you waste your points... Only so the ones you could have received won't be wasted?

That's why I have 551 entries and 7 wins, while you have over 2,700 and 7 wins.

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Sadly I can't inspect all the games you've entered, but you seem to have only won group and contributor giveaways, and giveaways with a huge amount of games given away. So that's why you got a higher win/entry ratio.

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As I said before the site gives everyone an even chance. And yes, there are some people who enter for games that they don't want but at least from what I've seen people at least give these games a try.

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And everyone would still have an even chance. I still think games should go to people who'd play and enjoy them more.

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Why spend leftover points you have on games you will barely play? If you don't have a interest in the game, don't enter. You just make the odds harder for the people who enter and genuinely want the game. Seen you already won 7 games, why not simply let your greed go and only enter the games you actually want?

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Why? Because of the 300 point cap. (Not suggesting to remove or expand that (yet), don't worry.) And it's not like me entering or not is going to make a difference with the hundreds or thousands of entries. It'll make the difference of 1 game I don't want going to 1 person who's probably not going to play it more than I would, less than once per month. Besides, you get further in life if you abuse and take advantage of stuff.

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The site doesn't force you to use every single point you own.
I've been at 270-300 for months.

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If something should be made it would be lowering the cap to like 200p, 300p is too damn high! (include meme here)

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You're worried about letting the points, which you receive for free in infinite supply, go to waste, and you have this attitude of, "you get further in life if you abuse and take advantage of stuff."

Yeah, you're a selfish idiot, and this is not the place for you. Let me counter your suggestion with the suggestion that you shouldn't make suggestions here. Suggestions from the selfish aren't going to improve a site based on generosity. Oh, and, "Because of the 300 point cap. (Not suggesting to remove or expand that (yet), don't worry.)" Guess what other terrible idea has been suggested a million times by other equally vapid, greedy people.

The cap is in place to stop people like you from entering for more things they don't really want than they already do, now please fuck off.

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I am selfish, yes. But I am far from an idiot. The cap doesn't stop those who visit regularly. While lowering it would cause points to fill more often and for more users, meaning more points get lost and thus fewer entries are made, increasing the chances. While lowering it is not a bad idea, I certainly think it's far from the best solution. And sorry you misunderstood me. Sarcasm is so difficult to understand through written text. I am not in favor of increasing the point cap, I would love for it to be lowered.

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Yes, sarcasm doesn't tend to translate well through a text-based medium. Yes, I'm on a rage bender today. Yes, seeing these things suggested over and over again pushes my buttons. Yes, I've been known to use the forum to vent my frustrations. It's still a terrible idea. The whole site is founded on the idea of equal chance. Anything that upsets that is forbidden. That's part of the reason you're not allowed to give away wins. People could recruit their friends to enter giveaways and have multiple entries by proxy. Just no.

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Your argument is valid only if what I'm suggesting would really make things less equal. But everyone will still have the same chance. An increased chance on one game means a decreased chance on another, and that's what's happening right now as well, since people can't enter every game. From what you're saying it sounds as if you want the point and entry system removed and everyone automatically being entered into every giveaway created. Then everyone has an equal chance at everything. But I highly doubt that's what the majority wants. I think people who gift games want those who receive their games to enjoy them, something that quite often doesn't happen with the current system.

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u know... we could have another section for steam steamraffles for people who wish to spend their points on raffles. It isnt that bad either.

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300 chances at getting Fortix x 1000 people who enter it.

Cool!

Edit: It was sarcasm

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Yeah, many entry numbers would multiply, allowing even normal games to get tens of thousands of entries. (At the expense of many games having their entry amount reduced to under 100.)
Edit: Aww, but it really WOULD be cool.

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It would be better if one were capped to only do 3-5 entries per day (1 per giveaway (adding this so you will not missunderstand me)) on the whole site...

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I'd really damn like it, but it's just another suggestion that we won't get through.

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YOUR'S IS JUST ANOTHER FUCKING SUGGESTION WE WON'T GET THROUGH.

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I know, and that's the issue. All I want is to have higher chances at winning games I like. My suggestion isn't the only possible solution to the problem.

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IT ISN'T EVEN A #@$%T@##^@ PROBLEM. YOU SHOULD JUST CLOSE THIS THREAD.

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STOP TALKING IN CAPS AND BIG LETTERS

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And yet again I read that someone thinks that it's better if people who win a giveaway don't play their game.

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The differences between our suggestions are that, mine increases the odds, and yours are about lowering the odds. What would you like the most?

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That's not true. See, it's not like you can magically enter a game multiple times, if you spend all points on one game, you increase your chances at winning it, but lower your chances at winning other games, increasing the chances of other people to win those games. Yours would mean an outcome not much different from mine.

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everyone NEEDS their Fort-fix

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+1

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I don't see why this suggestion is being shut down like this.
I mostly see people not reading and just going blah blah fair chance.
This suggestion doesn't change anything about fair chance - everybody can spend their points the way they wish, either on 300 different Fortix giveaways or maybe put all 300 points into a single giveaway.

Personally I think it's working fine the way it is, and this suggestion would make it more complicated. But I don't see how it makes it less fair.

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Yeah, I pretty much can't disagree with anything you've said.

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Why fix something that isn't broken?

Just think about it - I put it into numbers: If there are 100 people entering a game and half of them want it really badly and enter it five times, 25% just want it somewhat and enter twice - we would have (50x5+25x2+25) 325 entries - in that case I would have spent five times the amount of points just to receive a 0.53% better chance of receiving it.

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+1

This is a really good explanation and viewpoint. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Not really. If there are 320 entries, and you enter once, your chances of winning are 1/321 or about 0.31%. Now then, let's start increasing your entry amount. 2/322 0.62%, 3/323 0.93%, 4/324 1.23%, 5/325 1.54%. That means your odds increased almost exactly 5 times. Not sure where you got that 0.53%.

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you are not considering that other people would be entering multiple times as well

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I am. Else I wouldn't be using values from 321-325, but instead values from 100-104. Your chances of winning are not affected by the number of people entering, but by the number of entries made.

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You think about it in a different way I think - I compare it with and without the system...
...if the system you suggested isn't in place you have a chance of 1% if 100 people join as everyone has only one entry. But with the system you are lowering everyone else's chance to win to 0.31% as you mentioned. You basically lower the chance of everybody on this site to about a third and raise your chance by about 50% - your chance is not increased by 5 times.

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If this "system" (As you called it.) wouldn't be in effect, you're right, you'd have a 1% chance of winning if there were 100 entries. Now, with the system, you're not the only one with 5 entries in that previous example. 49 others also have 5 entries, and each has a chance of about 1.54% then there's 25 who entered twice, giving them a chance of about 0.62%, and 25 who entered once, giving them a chance of about 0.31%. So only those who entered once are having their chances lowered to 0.31%, and the calculations I was performing showed the increase of your chances with the system in effect. And, yes, now I see what you meant. Let me re-respond to that previous post. You would have, yes, spent 5 times the points with the system in effect, but you wouldn't have been the only one. The points you and those 49 people spent on entries for this game, can not be spent on entries for other games, meaning others who entered twice, once, or not at all have higher chances than you at those games.

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this was suggested before,and rejected repeatedly.

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Isn't this like the fifth thread about this?

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I bet that there has been way more than 5...

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nah, there have been much more about this.

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Why don't we just take the whole point system off and let people join to any giveaway as many times as they want.. That way we will see 1person joining a giveaway a thousand times, but who cares? He must really want the game :--DDDD

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Yes, but that would mean you can join every game as many times as you want. Else you could only join a few select games many times.

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Sheldon, S'up man?

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I'm not sure karhyy got the original point; I don't think they see anything wrong with their analogy and thus OP was right in replying with a serious answer :p

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No, I'm sorry, I did understand sarcasm was involved, I was just trying to strengthen my point.

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but then you'll have no more points to enter things just for regifting like a magicka dlc.

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Oh, you so didn't. You had enough patience to look through my gifts and wins, but not any more. That is not a regift. Maybe take a minute to read the description of my giveaway. I won the DLC, and then activated it on my Steam account, later I found out, that the page where I bought a Magicka pack from, had given me 4 free DLCs, one of which was the one I won. So I was feeling quite sad, seeing that I had won something I already had. (Although I didn't know I had it at the time.)

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Then you should perhaps be more careful of what giveaways YOU enter?

And nowhere in the text: "Won this here on SG. Then found I have another one. So I'm giving it back. Will send key through mail. Additionally, it's my 1st giveaway." can be found that you stated that you activated it, and that you "gave it back" that sounds like regifting to me.

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How was I to know I already had that DLC. It wasn't in my Steam inventory, but on a site I only went to, to get a cheaper Magicka. Pure coincidence my friend sent me a game on there just a little while later, so I checked my account. So, okay I didn't say that in the description. That does not change my point. Had I not activated it, and instead activated the one I had before, what was I to do with the one I won? Keep it simply because rules don't allow regifting? The way I understand it, regifting is not allowed because people want those who win the games to actually play them, to discourage entering a giveaway for no reason, or just to gain contributor value. And that's what I want too, that's why I created this thread.

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You should have returned it to the original giver for a reroll.

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So you're saying I should've given the one I found later, (Not the one I had won, because like I said, I had already activated it before finding I had another one.) to the one who I had won it from? Well, yes maybe you're right. Sadly it did not occur to me at the time, it is not listed in the rules, and was it really that bad that I wanted 2 dollars of contributor status after finding out I pretty much didn't win anything after all?

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that's weird then because it didn't show up in you library
though most dlcs don't

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Other Magicka's DLCs do show up.

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Not all Magicka DLC show up

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And how about the ship? It doesn't matter if you had them, you still regifted for personal gain. Should have given it to the original creator.

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How about, to keep both sides happy, allow creators of giveaways to specify the maximum number of times a user could enter? Then if they want to allow tons of entries per user, fine; but if not, then they can still limit 1 entry per user (which would be the default).

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While that would just make things overly complicated, sure... why not.

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Poop idea!

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+11..

You are the smartest person on this thread. You get right to the point.

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Yes, like "if it ain't broken, don't mess with it"

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Stuff doesn't have to be broken for it to be improved. People managed to live just fine thousands of years ago. Yet I don't think you'd prefer that to the life you have today. (Heck, maybe you do, in that case, I got no more arguments for that statement.)

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Afaik, this is no life or death matter.. Nor does it improve life quality.

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In our modern world we "improve" things all the time - often just to find out it was better as it was before but we changed it too much to go back and therefore "improve" it even further...

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Poop idea!

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You want this kind of shit? GTFO to PlayBlink.

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This, and as it's said before, there's a reason for this site, to be the way it is.

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Yep.

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