And dont forget. You cant use threats, harassment, discrimination, or negative comments or slurs against race, sexual orientation, or genders. Even as a joke. Dont forget to add the part: "Not even as a joke" or "not even jokingly" or similar in reasonable english.
Why would you break the rules as a joke? :)
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Under "Personal attacks or hate speech", one of the examples is simply "negative comments". This seems very broad and I think it will lead to problems. Some people are very touchy and may consider a lot of comments "negative" while others do not.
This seems like an oversimplifying blanket rule that will give mods the ability to silence certain opinions if they want to. This will probably cause disagreements between mods about what does or doesn't violate this rule.
With "Threats, harassment, discrimination and slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender" already against the rules, I don't see why there needs to be a blanket ban on all negative comments.
Edit: The "negative comments" part was only meant to be when it is in reference to race, sexual orientation, or gender. CG cleared this up and responded here.
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When you disagree with a user in the community, do your best to explain your viewpoint rather than attacking the individual.
If this implies that attacking the individual would be against the rules, it should be worded as such. Right now the guideline sounds like more of a piece of advice rather than a rule to be followed.
In the same vein, is attacking the individual whilst explaining your viewpoint also against the rules? What constitutes an attack? Threats, harassment, etc? Then it's already covered by the Guideline 4 in the User Content section. Something else? Could that lead to an individual expressing any kind of opinion regarding another individual's viewpoint, instead of only stating their own viewpoint in response, being interpreted as an attack? (E.g. starting your comment with 'That's silly.')
negative comments or slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender are not allowed.
What does 'negative' mean? Any kind of criticism regarding a generalised trait of one of these groups? Meaning, the rule prohibits generalisations pertaining to any of these groups wholesale?
Incidentally, does that include 'negative' comments regarding in-game content involving any of these groups? Perceived agenda pushing, personal game developer bias, comments about in-game articles of clothing on characters of a specific sex?
Threats, harassment, discrimination
Regarding the 'discrimination' part. The only way I see for a Steamgifts user to discriminate against another Steamgifts user is to deny them access to specific giveaways. Meaning, a whitelist is already a form of discrimination. As are blacklists. A French-only Steam group can be viewed as discrimination. An LGBT-only Steam group can also be taken as such. And if this guideline is there to specifically prohibit explicit blacklisting or denial of access to groups/whitelists based on race, gender, etc. - is that really a thing on Steamgifts to warrant a specific guideline?
Could this possibly lead to people monitoring their Blacklist stats and reporting people they recently interacted with for - allegedly - blacklisting them solely on the basis of race/gender/etc.? What would be the criteria for deciding on such reports?
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Do we want to allow "negative comments" against "race, sexual orientation, or gender" as long as they are not "Threats, harassment, discrimination"?
I understand the concern that it could result in more support tickets. I dont envy the mods weighing that concern against the added potential to decrease bigotry.
Here is the guideline as a whole:
Threats, harassment, discrimination, or negative comments or slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender are not allowed
I had to reread it as:
[Types of comments] against [types of identity]
...for me to better understand the intent
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I'm not exactly sure what is meant in this guideline because it is not worded correctly. The word "or" is used too many times.
I think each thing is meant to be it's own category. The site doesn't want any threats, any harassment, any discrimination, or any negative comments. The site also does not want any slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
That is how I interpreted it, but I could be wrong because it is not worded correctly. If this entire rule is just about race, sexual orientation, or gender, then I don't see a problem, it just needs to be worded a little better.
Edit: The "negative comments" part was only meant to be when it is in reference to race, sexual orientation, or gender. CG cleared this up and responded here.
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Personal attacks or hate speech. Threats, harassment, discrimination, or negative comments or slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender are not allowed.
Interpretation is too different depending on “country” and “region”.
Will definitely cause misery.😰
I saw a similar problem in the real world.
It is better to regulate “responsibility of reply”.
"I don't reply because I think it's irrelevant"
I hope there will be no reply after this word.
That's enough for general communication.
If there is still a situation where you are forced to force a reply, report a user report to support.
Do not pursue on the spot.
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The original intention was...
It was definitely never intended to imply that any negative comments are not allowed, as that would be very absurd. Even so, I think I agree with some users that it's still too broad of a term to use, so I updated the guideline to the below...
Personal attacks or hate speech. Neither threats or harassment is allowed, nor is slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
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Respect the privacy of invite only giveaways[ , ] and[ , ] if you are invited to a private giveaway, do not share the link with other users unless given permission by the giveaway creator.
Comma is in the wrong position [first bolded/bracketed comma above, while it should be in the position of the second bolded/bracketed comma].
If you are taking part in a puzzle, do not leak or hint towards any information that is intended to remain private, such as the game being given away[ , ] or the URL of the giveaway.
Bolded/bracketed comma should be removed.
Scripts are not allowed to be used to automatically enter into giveaways. This includes scripts that enter multiple giveaways at once, or scripts that enter giveaways while you are away.
The current phrasing makes it seem as though one-click-entry scripts are now being firmly included along with bot-scripts [and that's something which'll have my approval], but doesn't state such outright. This should likely be more straightforwardly clarified.
If your account is suspended your giveaway entries are not eligible to be selected as a winner until the duration of your suspension has completed.
"Been completed" or "ended" would be more appropriate here than "completed". "Been" sets the topic to <existence>, which "completed" then modifies. [While not quite the same structure, you can consider it similar to putting "it has been blue" in place of "it has blue".] The current phrasing is trailing, suggesting there should be something after the "completed", such as "its duration". To that effect, the sentence could also be phrased as "until your suspension has completed its duration".
If you are selected as the winner of a giveaway and then your account is then suspended, the giveaway creator has the option to request a new winner.
The "then" should move its position from the earlier location to the latter, for better sentence flow.
Personal attacks or hate speech. Threats or harassment is not allowed, neither is slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
Excuse me? If that phrasing is intentional, it'd be extremely insulting, to say the least.
I'm assuming it isn't, however, and with that in mind the phrasing should instead be:
Personal attacks or hate speech. Engaging in threats or harassment is not allowed, nor are slurs (eg, such as towards a race, sexual orientation, or gender).
Specifically, the issue is in you specifically highlighting those three [race, sexual orientation, and gender] as being the exclusive basis for the rule violation, when sex, disability, religion, and other factors have all been issues which attracted hate speech and harassment on the forums in the past. They should only be used as examples, or the list should be exhaustive and complete. Else, the entire rule just ends up being hypocritical and nonsensical, in a "You can be a bigot, but only in the ways I approve of, okay?" kind of way.
I've also improved the flow of the first part of that sentence.
I'd also like it if you'd clearly note that bully-stalking is against site rules, in the vein of "Note that frequently engaging with a specific user in a manner that is clearly intended solely to confront, criticize, or belittle that user can potentially also be considered as harassment." Y'know, in consideration of the fact that you all have let a specific user stalk me around the site for ceaseless off-topic harassment for years on this site now without taking any action on the matter whatsoever.
There should also be something specifically included to limit "blacklist-whining", given how disruptive that behavior typically is. This is especially true when the behavior is presented to an excessive degree, in a hostile manner, or within inappropraite contexts [such as whining about blacklists towards the OP of a thread made to grieve over a recently deceased relative].
Spam. Do not repeatedly post content to increase visibility. This also includes creating multiple discussions for content that could be more appropriately consolidated into a single discussion.
I don't see anything against necroing, despite that being the most frequent form of spam we've had to deal within the most recent years.
(Note that this would in fact properly fall under "spam", given the broader, top-level application the term has taken on since the earliest days of the internet. Rather, the behavior you've currently exclusively specified as spam would instead specifically be referred to as "flooding", when approached seperate to the other forms of "site clutter" typically considered to be "spammy".)
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Community events or third party giveaways that require or reward users for performing an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit.
Advertising
I like the improved detailing given to this element, but I'm wondering if it'll be more likely to be overlooked, if there aren't clear "Posting Content" and "Advertising" top-level page sections, or similarly visible arrangements to draw attention to those sections. Then again, people who are inclined to read the rules to begin with may also perhaps be more likely to read them with proper consideration, so it may be an inconsequential thing after all.
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A few tweaks for grammar are needed in the updated version, like so:
"Personal attacks or hate speech. Neither threats nor harassment are allowed, nor are slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender."
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Specifically, the issue is in you specifically highlighting those three [race, sexual orientation, and gender] as being the exclusive basis for the rule violation, when sex, disability, religion, and other factors have all been issues which attracted hate speech and harassment on the forums in the past. They should only be used as examples, or the list should be exhaustive and complete. Else, the entire rule just ends up being hypocritical and nonsensical, in a "You can be a bigot, but only in the ways I approve of, okay?" kind of way.
Thanks. This is concerning to me as well. The absence of any mention of religious, and for that matter, political and national, affiliations as could be used in making personal attacks on users, is the elephant in the room here. It doesn't make sense to close one door and leave others wide open. An exhaustive list might turn out to be problematic - something is bound to be overlooked, but designating these categories as examples and adding a few more of the most obvious ones should be helpful.
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Suggest changing:
Personal attacks or hate speech. Neither threats or harassment is allowed, nor is slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
to
Personal attacks or hate speech. Neither threats nor harassment is allowed, nor are slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
Reason: grammar
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i laughed at not allowed "Personal attacks or hate speech. Neither threats or harassment is allowed, nor is slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender."
when literally a week or so ago some guy was allowed to bash women drivers and kept on calling them names and putting them down for gender, and saying they shouldnt be allowed to drive and blah blah, he was allowed to keep the thread open for like 350 comments. for like a week or more, and he belittled anyone who didnt agree with him
no one seemed to care about protecting anyone from personal attacks for all that time.
i will forever remember that guys sexist remarks and that he was allowed to keep harassing the other gender non-stop for so long. and even a few mods were commenting in the comments and not doing anything about it lol i shall always remember that low point in history
the guy never even got a suspension for it. which i bookmarked him from the first hour he posted the thread cuz i was waiting to see the suspended hit him lol
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Thanks. It looks like "Neither threats or harassment" still needs to change to, "Neither threats nor harassment."
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Hi everyone,
We've been working on new guidelines for SteamGifts to help clarify some questions raised by the community, and to help users better understand what type of content is allowed and not allowed on the site. I'm sharing the proposed guidelines below so the community can read them over, ask questions, and provide feedback that can be taken into consideration before the new guidelines are put in place. I would like to leave this discussion open for 10 days for review, and then have the official guidelines go live with any revisions.
I imagine people will have different viewpoints on a number of guidelines, neither of which are right or wrong, so please try to be considerate and constructive when commenting. Thanks!
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User Content
The below is a list of content that is not allowed in our community. Content consists of any material you post or make available through our site, such as discussions, links, comments, usernames, or Steam avatars.
Illegal content. For example, sharing links to pirated content, or to services that assist in illegal activity, such as torrent websites.
Inappropriate content. If you are posting content that may be considered NSFW (not safe for work), prefix any links or images with a NSFW tag to warn others. Do not post pornography, or explicit content, such as real life images depicting severe injury, gore, or death.
Unsafe content. Products or services that are not credible or potentially dangerous, such as those that could lead to a user's Steam account being compromised, or their financial information stolen. Please do your due diligence prior to posting content or links, and if we have concerns about the safety of a product or service, we will try to remove it from our site or close the offending discussion.
Personal attacks or hate speech. Threats or harassment is not allowed, neither are slurs against race, sexual orientation, or gender.
Referral links. If you choose to post a link, please be sure all referral codes have been removed. For example, by changing http://www.example.com?ref=12345 to http://www.example.com. Also, do not attempt to circumvent this rule by adding referral links through intermediary processes as users try to reach their intended destination.
Spam. Do not repeatedly post content to increase visibility. This also includes creating multiple discussions for content that could be more appropriately consolidated into a single discussion.
Private or identifying information. Users in the community have a right to privacy. Do not post their private or identifying information without their consent. For example, their name, address, phone number, photos, or private messages.
URL shortening. When posting links, make sure you are not using URL shorteners as they obscure the destination of links and make it difficult for users to know what they are clicking.
Inappropriate use of comment formatting. The intended use of comment formatting is to improve the readability of your posts. An inappropriate use of formatting would be writing all of your content with headings, or using all caps for your comments.
Untagged spoilers. Refer to our instructions on comment formatting for learning how to add spoilers to your content. A spoiler is content that reveals important plot elements of games, movies, tv series, or other types of fiction released in recent years.
Unreasonable bumping. When bumping a discussion you should try to ensure it is in the best interest of the community. If you notice our community is not engaging with the content after it has been bumped a couple of times, then you need to stop bumping the discussion unless important new information or updates would make it appropriate to do so.
Begging. Do not ask game developers or users for keys or games, unless they are offering and searching for interested parties.
Trading. This site is not for trading, so do not attempt to directly trade games or other items with users in our community. If you attempt to indirectly trade or express a willingness to trade with an unusually high frequency, it will also be viewed as trading. If you would like to conduct trades, refer to our sister site, SteamTrades.
Reselling keys and links to reseller stores. Do not use our site to resell keys, and do not post offers from stores which allow third parties to resell their keys or gifts. For example, do not ask others if they are interested in buying your leftover keys from a recent bundle purchase, or link to keys for sale on sites such as Kinguin, G2A, or Eneba.
Collecting money, items, or games for giveaways, lotteries, or group access. For example, asking users to donate a few dollars, with the promise of giving away a valuable game once adequate funds have been raised. Or, asking users to personally send you games and items for an event. Or, requiring users to send you annual fees to participate in your Steam group.
Third party giveaways that require or reward users for performing profitable actions. For example, linking to a giveaway on another service that requires or incentivizes users to click a referral link, like a Facebook page, follow a Twitter account, join a Steam group, complete a survey, sign-up for a newsletter, or make a donation.
Gambling. Do not post content or links to gambling related sites, such as those to bet on the outcome of gaming matches, or those that collect money or items for a chance to win a prize.
Whitelist solicitation. Do not ask or hint for other users to whitelist you, unless they are explicitly asking or searching for such users and you fulfill their requirements.
Advertising
Advertising is when you are promoting products or services you are associated with, or when you are posting content that is paid or sponsored. Directly naming or linking to an associated product or service will always be viewed as advertising. General references (e.g. referring to your "website", "YouTube channel", or "Steam group") may also be viewed as advertising when we believe their purpose is to bring attention to an associated product or service for publicity or sales. Below is a breakdown of when advertising is allowed in our community. Remember, the above rules regarding user content still apply. For example, we might allow you to advertise in giveaway descriptions, but that does not permit you to post referral links or link to your website with illegal content.
Giveaways
When creating a giveaway you are able to write a description. In this space you are welcome to advertise your products or services, including social media channels (e.g. Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter), games, groups, curators, or other giveaways.
Discussions
Our forum allows you to create discussions for engaging in conversation with our community. In these discussions you are able to promote your SteamGifts giveaways, but only when there is a greater reason for the discussion, such as including the giveaways in part of an event, puzzle, cake day, or milestone. For category specific advertising, please refer to the below.
Add-ons / Tools
Game Showcase
Group Recruitment
User Projects
Comments
This refers to comments throughout our site, such as those contained within giveaways or discussions. You are able to advertise in your comments, but only when it is both relevant and valuable to the conversation. For example, if a user is searching for a giveaway group only available to users that have not yet won a game, and you are the owner of such a group, it would be appropriate to post a link to your Steam group. Or, if a user is searching for new strategy games, and you have a Steam curator page highlighting your recommendations from that genre, you could share a link since it would be helpful to those reading.
Support
Chat
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