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Steam is adding tools to block cross region trading. How will this affect SG? D:

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as long as they don't punish the use of a proxy, it will be just a annoyance.

11 years ago
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I thought they already did punish the use of a proxy...

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yes they do

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well trying to purchase behind a proxy was problematic, but how can they prohibit to just login into your account via a proxy. I know its not allowed by their TOS but so many keysellers sell games you have to activate via a proxy.

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2 things publishers despise the most in PC gaming: Pirating and the cross-region selling. Looks like valve will set the option here for the region selling while the TPP trade pact may get finalized (Nov 19-24 in Utah) that includes piracy criminalisation.

11 years ago
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Then people like me won't be able to get some good games like Dark Souls. It won't be good for Steam because of this reason.

11 years ago
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Seeing as how they are already doing region blocking anyway, they really need to change the keys on games so that they reflect where they are from.

If its a US/North America only key
USCA-1234-1234-1234

Russian
RUSN-1234-1234-1234

Japan
JAPN-1234-1234-1234

At least that way people would know where the keys are from at a chance and know if they would actually be able to use them.

11 years ago
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fix the prices and I am in. I am fed up to see we got the same prices in EURO that people in USA have in Dollars ..

11 years ago
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Random rambling:

It's because european tax levels are very high compared to usa. Prices actually werent much better when europe paid in dollars.

For my last $ price purchase:

49.99$ before VAT. Price in euros with VAT? 49€ + charges for currency conversion.
Still there were shit load of complaints back then. :D

(Nowdays this is more valid since exchange rates has changed: 49.99$ ~ 46€ with VAT. Thank god amazon doesn't charge VAT with their downloads)

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Oh, I see...


That's why Black Ops 2 costs me $99.99 in New Zealand, rather than the US price of $59.99. It's because the New Zealand GST rate is in excess of 66%.


Uh - wait...

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Canada also has the same steam store prices as the US. So Black Ops 2 costs 59.99CAD (which is 57.31USD). Obviously that's dollars on a sixty dollar game, but it's still cheaper nonetheless.

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Meh..... this thread needs more DLC's.

11 years ago
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It'd be cool if we could select games for only only certain regions. So games that can only be redeemed in place can still be given away.

11 years ago
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If they stop allowing me to buy uncut games I'll just stop buying games, easy as that. That wouldn't be a great accomplishment for them.

11 years ago
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+infinity
we can vote by our wallets

11 years ago
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Meh.

11 years ago
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SOON

11 years ago
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This will effect nothing and most users won't notice.

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If every game started using this, it would be a major change. But really, it just strikes me as a more effective version of the region-locking they already do. Publishers currently releasing region-restricted versions will move to this, and in theory those who aren't doing so will continue as they were. There are some fringe benefits, in that people won't have to worry about trading for a game that might be restricted and just not clearly marked, and I imagine it's easier on Steam's end if they just have to update one version of a game, rather than a different one for each region.

Still a customer-unfriendly policy, but (probably) no more so than the one that's already in place. On the other hand, if Steam starts actively pushing this, that would kind of suck.

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Yeah, I'm guessing the only people affected by this are those trying to circumvent region-locks by faking their location, or those trying to trade locked copies to unsuspecting users. It might actually be helpful to someone who purchases a region-locked game for his own account then moves somewhere else in the world as the game would still be playable. (Unlike now where you get told that you're currently in the wrong region to play your game.)

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I'd be fine with this, as long as the block doesn't apply to regions with similar pricing (eg US -> EU -> UK -> AU).

Edit: I don't mean that I like it, but I do understand why they have to do it.

11 years ago
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I assume only AAA publishers will use that, we shall see.

11 years ago
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What I think it is:

Now: Two packages for game ROW, RU
After: One package with no crosstrading

Why?

All packages need to be kept up to date and more packages means more work.
They already did something similar with making combined packages that has Steam Keys + Steam Store version combined.
Previously there were separate packages for keys and steam store.

TL;DR: They are making it easier to restrict. Meaning usage might/will increase.

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I really doubt they are going to apply this new restriction to the whole app. I believe that the RU/ROW separate packages will remain, and the NoGifting restriction will only apply to the RU section, replacing traditional restrictions. In a way, this is Valve's response to those who got banned for cross-border trading and were wondering why wasn't it explicitly forbidden.

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i will still luv u even if i dont get gems ok

11 years ago
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I wonder if the feature will only apply to future keys. I'll be fairly irked if a number of my games on Steam suddenly stop working as a result of this.

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There is zero chance that this would be retroactive. None whatsoever.

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I'm inclined to agree since there are too many things preventing them from doing it. I was originally worried because I misunderstood a part of this update and thought that it would affect keys as well.

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well steam. Seriously, i doubt its gonna matter that much and it will only be on keys like people have said

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Actually, it cannot be on keys. Only gifts can be traded/gifted. To me it simply looks like an improved version of the current region-lock in place on some games.

11 years ago
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Sigh. I always miss these things.

11 years ago
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I hope this doesn't prevent me from activating keys purchased from Amazon :-/

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I will have no effect on keys. Trading and gifting can only be done with gift copies of games from the Steam inventory. What can affect keys is the region-locks that are already in place.

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If this was only on keys, what would it mean for bundle sites? Would they have to try and distribute different versions of the game keys based on where the purchaser lives?

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I cannot be on keys. Trading and gifting can only be done with gift copies of games from the Steam inventory.

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Ugh, STEAM, why do you have to take one step back for every one you boldly take forward?

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Actually, it could be a big step forward. If they use that flag to replace the current region-locks on games it would solve the problem of people buying a game while living in a specific region and being unable to play it after moving to a different one. The only people affected by this are those who spoof their location to activate restricted games they shouldn't be able to in the first place. (And that's assuming that the location spoofing wouldn't allow them to trade the damn thing in the first place)

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Hope you are right, restrictions and lockouts are bad enough as they stand now... if this can only be used to address the loopholes that cause problems for the customers, that'd be okay.

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This may actually be for the better, unless suddenly Steam decides to push this as a default option.

Region locking is already here and it has problems. You may end up with a gift you can't use because there was region lock. The way Steam "fixes" it tends to be disabling gift purchasing altogether, which means you can't even buy the gift for someone in your own region.

This new flag, as I understand it, addressess both issues if it replaces the old system. You won't end up with a gift you can't activate, and there will be no need to disable gifting completely.

Otherwise it will functionally work the same as the old way of region locking (disallowing running/activation), so won't change a thing, and I don't see publishers who didn't demand region locking to suddenly start mandating it.

Trying to dial down on FUD xD

EDIT: another thing it fixes if it replaces old system: you moving between regions, still being able to run your games without suddenly getting a message you're out of your region

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Assuming that only the same types of games are going to be region locked under this new system, I can't see how it would help steamgifts. Region locked games aren't allowed to be given away anyways. I think it's pretty rare that these giveaways are actually completed.

I think the uproar is occurring because of the chance that most publishers will start using this system. In this case, steamgifts as a whole would not work because a lot of the time the gifter and the winner live in different regions.

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Yeah, basically what I'm saying is that I think from Steamgifts' perspective it won't change a thing, because region locking already is in place and publishers who don't use it shouldn't suddenly start using it.

It's like you say, people are afraid that suddenly everybody starts to use the system, which I specifically say I don't believe will happen. FUD. Ultimately though, we'll have to wait and I see.

It does fix some issues with the current region locking system, though, not saying it helps SG in any way but that it doesn't hurt it, while helping in other scenarios.

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to polemize with myself though a bit and say something scary: it depends on how they specify regions because suddenly it may turn out every game that is region locked in one region essentially becomes region locked everywhere and at least in theory should not be gifted at all or there would be double standards in play.

(now you have for example the same game in two regions: CIS and ROW; CIS is region locked whereas ROW isn't; new system may cause this to be one entry in database essentially causing the game to be region locked across the board)

(this scenario was mentioned in this thread previously tho)

11 years ago
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Am i the only one, who is interested in this topic, but doesn't read this whole post that is on top of my post, because it has a shitload of text?

11 years ago
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Yeah, who comes to a forum to read??

11 years ago
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Then you are misssing things.

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yes :/

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Region locking bad. New system coming, maybe replace. Likely fix stuffs and change nothing for SG. But maybe even more bad. We don't know. Have to wait. Waiting in fear is bad, btw, lol.

Valve may push for more publishers to use it = bad. Or instead of multiple entries in database when there's unblocked ROW version, we get one entry region locked across the board = very, very bad. We be sad if it happens.

F*$& it probably still too long. Too long bad.

Anyway I don't think more publishers gonna start using it, what seems to be bigget fear, but the second option where you may end up for particular games without region free option at all seems unfortunately more likely. Ultimately, who knows.

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I assume it'll just be added to region-locked games, so people in the US (or any other country) can't gift games which have censors in specific countries.

(Example: Saints Row: The Third wouldn't be giftable across countries, since Germany has a censored version.)

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That would be terrible

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Closed 10 years ago by MrCastiglia.