The system doesnt encourage trash or bundled games, people give them out of their own volition.

You didn't win the giveaway, You get slightly higher chance to win in next one.

Thats exploitable too.
I think what you are looking for is a system that calculates a personal amount accordingly to their salary

"Levels are bad, cause they encourage to brag about Your status and people give any trash, because of that."
No.
Also your logic is flawed. Getting higher chance for not winning increases the likelihood of joining stuff you don't want rather than reducing it. Bots will rule supreme under this system.
Just ask Orlygift, it used a system like this.

PS. Every single thing you gave away came from bundles, mostly Humble Monthly so... IDK what you're on about at the start either.

The level system is very bad. Because first of all, it encourages RICH people to brag about how they are reach.

I don't remember seeing threads where people brag how rich they are because they can afford to make so many giveaways. Perhaps I missed some?

Also why is rich kids better than non-rich people? Why is someone, who probably earn so many many money better or more entitled to win games, than someone who earn less? This site isn't about showing off how much You earn and how much You can afford to give. It's the site for giving free games for those who wants them.

It's a site for giving games for free, yes, but it has rules and allows people to set some requirements for their giveaways. I think that's alright. Sometimes you want to make giveaways for people who've given away a lot and there's nothing wrong with that.

You could argue that there's no point making giveaways for high levels as they could afford those games for themselves anyway, while some people with worse financial situations couldn't so they deserve chance to enter those giveaways more; but it's not up to you to decide what's right and what isn't and what kind of requirements people should set on their giveaways.

Also just because someone is high level it doesn't mean they are rich. Some of them have normal or below average income and yet spend their hard earned money to make giveaways, sometimes for games they actually want to play themselves.

But the main problem is... why You should pay 5000 $ to just have 0,000001% more chance to win a game. Basically... it means that You pay probably 100-500 more than You will ever win in this site. You have to pay that 5000 dollars to BUY those games with 100% chance of getting them. More than You will ever win in Your entire life.

Yeah, getting to higher level doesn't mean you'll be winning loads of giveaways or that you will get what you've spent back through wins. Yet some people make lots of giveaways anyway, probably because they like giving more then they care about wins.

Even without level system people would still make giveaways for trash or low tier games because what else would they do with them if they have no interest in playing them and they don't want to clutter their libraries with games they don't want?

Also your idea for reworking the system sounds like a disaster. Everyone should get the same chance to win giveaways no matter what. That's the most fair way to do things.

You should pay 5000 $ to just have 0,000001% more chance to win a game

You don't need to level up.

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You want to leave? I won't stop you :)

I don't care about other people here. i agree to your every word .

I think many people agree the level system is a mess, and not only those who think they should be allowed to enter every giveaway... :) As you say, the level system leads many people to search for the cheapest thing that gives the highest CV, free stuff from some other website, 5 cent key shop garbage that's not in the bundle list, etc. If there were no benefit to giving away that sort of junk, I assume most people would stop giving away that sort of junk. It would be interesting to find out... :)

But I'm not sure the purpose of the site is to win free games, and I think people who are only here for profitz will never be happy with the results. You know, I won this cheap crap that doesn't even have trading cards, when I really wanted that game in my wishlist... Eh... I'd say people who are disappointed at winning too many crappy games should stop entering giveaways for crappy games. :) They won't win nearly as many giveaways that way, but they can be happy every single time they win. :)

I do think most people start out with blind greed for any random thing, as long as it's free... But free garbage gets old after a while... :)

I dunno, I think it's more fun to think of this as a place to give away games. Maybe something you liked and wanted to share, maybe something left over from a bundle, whatever. If you have nothing to give, then give nothing. No problem. :) And if you win something yourself, that's just a bonus. :)

It literally affects everyone the same way. That's fair.

On a different note, you seem to have some insecurity issues. You may want to talk to someone about that.

Seen as this site is a community and the level system would show how much people have contributed to said community, if there has been any bragging about it here it has been done as a joke or it was never bragging (psa, general curiosity threads and so on). What you are proposing is a flawed and easily exploited system. What you should do is propose, if anyone has bragged before (to you or to others), to look at the game givaeways a selfless act so who gave away what should not even be compared.

And the thing that got me out of my month of slumber was the whole thing about assuming a persons income according to their contribution here. That's an even worse statement than your level system proposal. I would say that's why you would be hated not because you have a different opinion, segregating and directly assuming stuff about people on a very low amount and very unrelated information is a bit frowned upon.

If it means anything I don't hate you no reason to do so I just don't like your close minded way of tackling the issue you wanted to present.

This is quite an emotional rant. There's definitely a place for a discussion of these things, but this post comes from a weird angle and doesn't really use any facts.

Safe to say I disagree pretty much entirely.

I don't see the "Rich" lording it over the others
I don't see this need to level up to win
I don't see how the level system encourages users to not give good games
I don't think the alternatives provided are that good
And to top it all off I wouldn't say the level system is the worst part of SG

This site isn't mostly about winning games. For me, this site is about giving away keys that I cannot use that other people might enjoy. I'd infinitely rather a game goes to someone who would (hopefully) enjoy it; the key is better off going to someone--basically anyone--who wants it, than sitting in my library collecting virtual dust, unredeemed, and unable to be redeemed by me. Yes, I have won games. I have won some very nice ones, and I appreciate all of them and the generosity of the givers.

This is steamgifts not steamwins. If it were the latter, I would perhaps be inclined to agree with your logic about this site being about winning games. Personally, I am rather surprised when i do win anything; not because I "deserve" to win games (or to win more games because of my level than the level 0 person)--I don't deserve to win something any more than the next person--but from the feeling of "oh, I won something! That's really nice!"

I do not buy bundles to give away the entire bundle. I give away duplicate games (ones i already owned) from bundles which i have purchased for myself. There are many of us who could never afford to buy bundles just to give them away. if you see the same thing bundled again and again, and giveaways for those games over and over again, don't blame the giver, blame the system that puts those games in bundles again, again, and yet again.
[However, you shouldn't even do that, as many people did not have steam accounts the first time a game was bundled (or could not afford it at the time). The bundler doesn't need to punish those people by not selling the game in a bundle now, just because it was bundled 5 years ago. It is up to the bundler what they choose to make available to bundles.]

Just stop caring about CV and give / enter what you want. Problem solved.

As a practical matter, even minor changes to the current system would take a lot of programming time, effort, and expense, and I doubt the site handlers would bother since things are running smoothly as it is.

I can touch my nose with my tongue.

Let me correct you on a minor detail there; the mean of the site it's not to win free games. Rather, it's about sharing, gifting. Without the will to do so, the site won't even exist. I hope the majority of the community sees it this way, and in doing so I would guess your vision is an unpopular one.

I'm from a third-world country. And I've been here, gifting, buying full-price games for the community since before Steam introduced regional prices for my country. A full-price AAA game costs me quite a few hours of work. Hours that I decide to gift to someone else in the hope that they would enjoy my passion the same way I do, to enjoy the thrill of entering a raffle, and the joy of winning something. People that know me personally have called me crazy at the thought that I'm (was) wasting so much of my hard earned money on unknown people on the Internet. I gift, not because I'm rich, but for the pleasure of sharing.

So, if a point system in place allows me the illusion of having access to something different just because I'm contributing to the cause of the community, so be it! Can it be improved? Of course. Is it unfair? Maybe. But if you, like me, are here just to give, you won't even pay attention to the CV. However, I must confess, I do pay attention to ratios. Since people who I don't seem to share the same vision about the site have caused quite a bit of trouble I've decided to avoid them.

I guess I'm not alone in this; I hope a great deal of users here share my vision. They are the ones keeping the community and the site alive at the expense of their own pockets, in the process, dealing with users that are here just to leech, to get something for free and keep demanding. Talk about unfairness now.

Why are you so entitled

Some SG groups have rules that address some of the issues you are concerned about such as too many entries you are "competing against", level restrictions on GAs, "trash" GAs, etc. You should check out group recruitment - There's a variety of groups out there. I'd invite you to my group since your giving history is solid, but my group doesnt even show up on SG along with other groups created since April.

Steamgifts may not be perfect but it is the best site we have.

You just give whatever You have unneeded, probably some leftover from Bundle or other crappy deal. It's okay when they are good games. But what if they are just random crap? And that's the case usually.

Yeah, I give away bundle leftovers. What's wrong with that? The whole reason I came to this site was to give away leftover bundle keys. I figured there were people who might be interested in the games that I was not interested in. And I was right! Plus, what's the alternative? Just leave the keys unused? What good does that do anyone?

But what is best of it, it would encourage people to NOT use bots and enter any random giveaway.

I already don't use bots, and I don't enter random giveaways. I enter giveaways for games I'm interested in. I don't need any additional encouragement to continue to do that.

I wish Abrix was here, he could probably help you be less

angry on Steamgifts.

Your whole argument is troubled with flawed thinking.

You don't have to actually pay 5000 dollars or 500 or even 1 dollar. I see level 0 accounts with 100's of wins & 0 giveaways.
I have never seen someone say rich kids are better than the un-wealthy here, until you just now.
I haven't seen anyone bragging about giving away a steam game. People celebrate their levels sometimes and why shouldn't they its an achievement.
The leveling system in some ways actually encourages people to make giveaways, your solution does not.
The system doesn't actually encourage giving away trash games.. rewarding no CV for games given away free and reduced CV for bundled games.. It actually encourages the opposite.

In saying that, people will give away what they want to; be it free, a game bought out of their own pocket, bundle leftovers or nothing at all, It is up to the person themselves. AAA game, trash or not you're not forced to enter and you are not forced to giveaway.

The system may not be perfect but your reasoning is borderline stupid and your solution sucks.

Your idea isn't necessarily awful, but your personality kinda seems to be. If you just focused on the idea, instead of being needlessly rude, you'd get much better replies.

And no, the "people hate me only because my opinion differs from theirs" is a cop-out that willfully unpleasant individuals use to justify themselves, and nothing more. Anyone who even states such a thing has already lost any semblance of dignity, much in the same manner as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't like what they hear. Facing the reality of that comparison may be unpleasant, but it is by no means exaggerated or out of place.

Simply put, if you didn't fill every conversation you take part in with you insulting people for their levels, their ratios, their blacklist habits, their liking of visual novels, or whatever other basis you may have used that I didn't manage to come across, people'd react a lot better to you.

Let's be clear: People "hate" you because you're needlessly rude toward them, not because your opinions are so profound that others can't bear to acknowledge your magnificence, driving them to attack you out of uncontrollable jealousy and incurable ignorance. In other words, you are "hated" for the same reason people "hate" basically every other self-proclaimed victim on this site: Because you treat abstract groups as enemies, and are driven to initiate conflcit with others before there is any justification for such.

And, for the love of cake, it has been clarified so many damn times that level isn't reflective of wealth [those who are poor and those who benefit off of developer keys are both common among higher leveled members of the site], so it's unfathomable as to why some continue to fixate on the topic and claim some sort of oppression on the part of those higher in level.

If you have direct quotes evidencing either a common trend of rich elitism or proof of a shadowy organization of rich elites [Patreon supporters don't inherently count as such, sorry], then by all means, quote such to prove your point- else, there's no reason for anyone, yourself included, to consider such beliefs to be anything more than paranoid delusions derived from personal insecurities.

Though, in broader context, I'll yield you the point. Rich people can be hard to deal with, and the imbalance of rights between social castes is an unfortunate, grim part of reality. However, while bragging is reflected in your own statements, I've yet to see any bragging based in wealth, aside from a few self-admitted site exploiters (who, by virtue of that, were not especially high level on the site).

Besides, among the high level people on this site that I've encountered who have acknowledged being financially well-off, they've all been extremely generous with their gifting, and they only brought up their financial situation after having been asked about the basis for such generosity. So your getting on them is like standing outside of a charity with a picket sign, arguing that charity is the worst expression of capitalism. It serves no clear benefit, it has no supportable basis, and there are so many more meaningful concerns that one could be spending their efforts on changing.

Of course, if this is your way of offering to make the poor members of the site rich by sharing your own finances with them, then your fixation would make more sense, and your personality'd suddenly be much more agreeable. But somehow, I don't get the impression that such an approach ever made it into your considerations. But hey, all you gotta do is prove me wrong, and you "win" this topic! Easy breezy.

Finally, only three things determine what the site is for: cg, the community as a whole, and the perspectives of any given individual in regards to their own usage. Any single individual's personal perspective on "the proper way to use the site" just does not have grounds to extend past their own usage, unless it is also reflective of one of the first two elements. The rhetoric you're offering is not only lacking in credibility and merit, but is worn out and dull. By all means, present things from your own subjective perspective, but make sure to acknowledge that that is what you are doing.

Besides, arguing that the only purpose of the site is to win free games kinda.. would make the site break down rather quickly. I don't see how that's difficult to figure out. As far as your nonsensical "why are people who give more entitled to win more", they bloody well aren't. The site offers absolutely no inherent bonuses to anyone on the site. Every single entry condition is set by individual users for their own giveaways alone, and if someone wants to limit who they give free stuff to then (outside of exploitative or bigotry-driven circumstances) it's pretty egotistical for someone else to claim a need to override their preferences, much less a right to do such.

Nevermind that anyone who insists the site should be focused on freely gifting should theoretically appreciate people being able to gift without restraint more than anyone else.. unless of course what is actually behind such a perspective is a belief of "I should be able to get access to every giveaway without any thought, effort, or consideration to others"?

Morality (in contrast to culturally-subjective ethics) is objective [though even that has its philosophical debates], and facts are objective by their inherent nature [regardless of how much members of certain political outlooks will insist they aren't]. Everything else in life is subjective, and it is our responsibility to be aware of such, and to fairly and openly consider the perspectives of others when those perspectives or the personalities of the individuals clash with our own. Just like how I'll fairly consider your suggestion in this thread, even while criticizing your presentation of it.

P.S. For someone who claims to not care about people "being triggered by your opinions", you sure do bring the topic up a lot.

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And still you deserve a better site to tantrum, like Reddit I.E.

Almost 49.17 entries diary aprox., wow, very impressive, almost sounds like automated stuff

Those damn bragging rich kids!