Part I is here and covers off-topic subjects. I really should have kept that thread, which is more lighthearted, for my Cake Day, but it's too late for this now. So here's Part II. Most of the polls listed here are about SteamGifts, with a few exceptions that are not totally off topic. I'll sandwich the more controversial polls between less offensive ones to make things easier to consume ;-)

  • 57% don't know what Steam Desktop Authenticator is, and the majority of them (80%) do sell Steam Trading cards. Are you guys actually using your phones to approve market transactions, or are you waiting 2 weeks?
  • 68% of people have no issue idling a game that they won for cards, even if it's an expensive AAA game. 15% use Idle Master blacklist feature to avoid this, and a similar number never heard of Idle Master (which was later discontinued anyway).
  • 70% of people still activate bad games for the cards. Only 13% would give such keys away.
  • 47% of people tend to keep keys for meaningful giveaways, most of those who do this (72%) had a least one key/gift become ungiftable before they got to creating the GA.
  • 19% paid between $5 to $10 at least once for a single game to give on this site. 15% never bought a game specifically for a giveaway and only give leftover keys.

Ok, enough with the pleasantries...

  • 58% of users check if they pass the rules of SGTools giveaways of games they're not interested in, and then don't enter the GA. Which is normally perfectly acceptable, but isn't a good idea in this thread (I thought the text in bold is hard to miss, turns out I was wrong).
  • When faced with a winner who has 20 wins, 0 comments (i.e. a winner who never, not once, bothered to thank any GA creator), 29% of people would blacklist the winner, but more than twice as many users just move on
  • 73% think that a "polite & grateful user who never broke the rules but has a private profile and 30 times more wins than gibs" should not be blacklisted or whitelisted (at least not for these "achievements").
  • 59% never blacklisted anyone or were blacklisted for writing "Thanks" (or something similar) on a giveaway. Or at least that's what they think about not being blacklisted, because 13% actually do blacklist for this reason.
  • 66% think that serving a suspension for unactivated wins does not absolve users and is not acceptable, as it puts all burden on giveaway creators and Support to endlessly submit and then reject reroll requests.
  • Similarly, 63% think that people who don't activate their games and don't have the keys anymore (e.g. if they regifted them), should buy new keys (or trade for them) before getting any new giveaway keys
  • 66% would like SG to have automatic re-gifting detection.
  • If you entered a GA and was then blacklisted, most people (56%) believe you should still be allowed to win. I changed my mind on this and agree with them.
  • 73% think it's acceptable to give away Steam keys from Humble and play the DRM-free copy.

That wasn't so bad, was it?

  • 30% of users think the 1000 user limit for whitelists is too low. 47% think it's fine as it is.
  • 70% believed that when a giveaway they created is about to end with less than 5 entries, the best solution is to just let it end, lose the CV. Granted, posting it in the perpetual I-need-5-entries-for-a-giveaway thread wasn't an option when I created the poll. I'm pretty sure the results would have been different today.
  • 76% of people here want some kind of in-line image support in the forum (rather than have the images always appear collapsed at the bottom of the post). I was planning to write some screenshot-illustratd guides about a few things related to this site, and an illustrated post about coffee, but I shelved these ideas for now as they're just no fun to write or read without inline images.
  • When it comes to how polls work on this forum, the most popular enhancement (28%) people want to see is to allow voting for multiple options (checkboxes instead of radio buttons). Forbidding the use of "potato" is far less popular than I (or Dan Quayle) would have expected, at 14% of votes.
  • Only 7% of voters never want to search their own forum post. 44% need it sometimes, and 30% need it frequently. I needed it just a second ago.
  • 52% would not be interested in an option to include multiple games in a giveaway, letting the winner choose one. 38% would.
  • 59% would be interested in having an [x] I'm not a robot validation in GAs. 20% would prefer to help the bots get a fair chance.
  • 60% would like to see Steam's "Not Interested" tagging synched with SteamGifts hidden games list. 22% actually admit they would like to enter GAs for games their not interested in. Steam trading cards are probably responsible for this.
  • 75% would not be interested in an option to create special giveaways with keys that they're uncertain would work, where a successful activation granted the GA creator with half the CV, and an unsuccessful one does not get them a "Not Received" mark. 21% would like to have this option more than the alternative - letting the ninjas have the key.
  • 58% would like to have an option to limit giveaways only to people who have the game on their wishlist. Unfortunately this isn't possible even with SGTools.
  • 51% would be interested in a unified game client (like this mockup) that also works with Origin, Uplay and GOG, and 4% (including me) would actually be willing to pay for one.
  • 55% never hid or deleted a game from their Steam library.
  • 52% see a single giveaway in a train as a "Wagon". 23% voted for "Car". The rest were divided between "Carriage" and a "Station".

A poll is also included with this thread and is related to your experience with links in Part I of the thread (the one about Off Topic subjects). Please vote truthfully :-)

Enjoy!

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How did you use the links included in the previous thread ("Things I learned....Off-Topic subjects")?

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I didn't visit that thread yet. I saw Part II (this thread) first
I saw that thread, but didn't click any of the links
I clicked the links and most of them opened as old threads (which I accepted without looking further)
I clicked the links and most of them opened as giveaways (which I accepted without looking further)
I clicked the links and about half opened as threads, and half opened as giveaways (which I accepted without looking further)
I checked the source code and figured that each link is actually two links - a numrical string links to a thread, while "%" sign links to a giveaway
Dan Quayle told me the thread was boobi(e) trapped, so I got the hell out of Dodge

To save you time checking the GA links included in Part I and Part II, they are for the following games:

9 Clues: The Secret of Serpent Creek
Advent Rising
Beatbuddy: Tale of the Guardians
Betrayer
Bullet Life 2010
Contagion
Dark Arcana: The Carnival
Depth Hunter 2: Deep Dive
Divekick
Eidolon
Face Noir
Frederic: Resurrection of Music
Grim Legends: The Forsaken Bride
Grim Legends 2: Song of the Dark Swan
House of Caravan
Legena: Union Tides
Luminosity
Mines of Mars
Murdered: Soul Suspect
NaissanceE
Nightmares from the Deep 2: The Siren`s Call
Nightmares from the Deep 3: Davy Jones
Nightside
One Finger Death Punch
Outland - Special Edition (includes Artbook and OST)
Pixel Piracy
Residue: Final Cut
Runaway, The Dream of The Turtle
Runaway: A Twist of Fate
Schein
Seven Kingdoms 2 HD
Space Pilgrim Episode I: Alpha Centauri
Stardust Vanguards
Super Puzzle Platformer Deluxe
Sword 'N' Board
Time Mysteries 2: The Ancient Spectres
Time Mysteries 3: The Final Enigma
Tiny Troopers
To the Moon
Wargame: European Escalation
Yosumin!™
Zeno Clash

And another GA ending at the same time for people in my whitelist - Shadow Warrior (2013)

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I kinda wish this could have somehow been shown before I went through every single giveaway in the thread (;_;)

View attached image.
8 years ago
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Well, if you entered any of the GAs it would really have mattered. One disadvantage with SGTools GA links is that they don't include the name of the game, so you need to actually click them to see it.

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Knowledge bump!

8 years ago
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thanks for your contributions & interesting information!

8 years ago
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can't find runaway twist of fate

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It's in the percentage of 1000 WL.

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30% of users think the 1000 user limit for whitelists is too low

Wait, is there a blacklist limit too?

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If there is then I definitely won't be reaching it soon, as I only have 9 people in my blacklist. :P

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I believe it is 1000 as well

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Yes, the blacklist is also limited to 1000 entries, but the linked discussion is about the whitelist limit.

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Right, thanks for the answer though :)

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Love the info, in response to the poll I figured it'd be relevant to mention I use an extension that was linked a bunch a little while ago (which after a bit of digging I found the original thread here.) that actually makes it pretty obvious that there were two links in each percentage, sorry.

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So this is what brought me to that thread! I got caught up in an argument and totally forgot the reason I got there. I'll give this extension a shot later today...

Thanks for suggesting!

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np, I really love the darker colors on most websites so I keep it on almost all the time.

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Bump and meow. Thanks!

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I just idled Deus Ex for the cards last night. I definitely plan on playing the game, but probably not before I get a new graphics card. So, is it better for me to wait until I actually play to get the cards (when they will likely sell for cheaper), or idle them immediately when they are most valuable?

Full disclosure, I purchased the game myself and didn't win it in a giveaway.

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I took the sourcecode option because I opened all links... but without using the source code.
I have an add-on which lets me select an area by holding the right mouse button. It highlights links and opens them on release.

Thank you for the GAs, have a break, have a bump!

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I was reading everything you wrote, watching all those poll results, when I suddenly entered one of your giveaways. After realizing that the % char was the key, I felt like "whoah, did he really hide all these links there?", only to feel stupid after reading the poll in this thread... Thanks for the giveaways!

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Nice poll stat ^^
And happy cakeday ^^

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Happy cake!

I did click on the giveaway parts pretty much on all of them on Part I, but I did look further and figured it out without looking at the source. So I can't really vote anything here.

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Dan Quayle would gladly take your vote ;-)

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interesting facts.
and bump of course.

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Stats and facts, hell yeah!

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Happy cake day!
You're lacking a poll on what people think of sgtools, would be interested to know why people don't like it.

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Happy Cakes, bump, and sadly, can't put you on WL again :)

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Answer: neither, after clicking a single link, I saw that only one part of it turned a different colour, seeing it was two links right after each other.

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Either I'm color blind, or you're using a custom CSS. It doesn't seem to change color here...

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Custom CSS and Vivaldi browser.

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Sorry for hijacking your comment, but same here, but with Opera, not Vivaldi (not yet, at least!)

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Bump for recruitment to bring down the master Necromancer leader known as Yirg!
i have uncovered his secrets, hidden in plain sight, he sends his evil disciples to raise dead threads back to life

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Bump!

I looked through the links but only checked one for the source code. (O_O) I didn't think of checking all.

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I hovered over the links, and saw the text on the bottom left of my screen change..
however, i seem to have been blacklisted - so no games for me, i guess :'(

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Regarding the bl, the reason is that you entered the ungiftable keys List 1 (Iteration #4) without adding a comment about which key/s you took (or which keys you tried to activate and were already used). See more details in the relevant ungiftable keys thread (specifically the parts in bold).

http://www.sgtools.info/giveaways/a11790cd-31aa-11e6-8f87-04019cc0dc01
User321 (2016-06-22 09:48:40 UTC)

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Well, at least now I know why - thanks!
(pretty sure i took none of those, nor tried to, since i had them all already, but the rules were quite clear and i still failed to comment)

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I'm one of the .0001% of the people here who have met Dan Quayle. I now feel unique.

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.0001% of the almost-million users on this site would be 1 - you. Any memorable moments or quotes from that meeting? ;-)

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Thank you! :3

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Thanks for the stats, some were very interesting

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Welp, I fear I will never understand this idling buisness. Why activating/joining a giveaway for a game you are not interested in/you think is bad? All that for just a few cents? Okay, depending where people are from those few cents can be a lot. Still, I would assume the minority does not get money outside of Steam. So all they can use the money for is buying other games (which they probably won't play as well).

Also has anyone ever reached the limits of his whitelist? I don't even know 1000 different users on SteamGifts O.o. Also I wonder why I didn't even notice most of those poll threads. I visited like 4 in total. Although some of them have a topic which interests me.

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I created the poll about the 1000 user limit about 6 months ago and back then I had 764 users on my whitelist. Now I have 837. I think it's inevitable that eventually I'll hit this limit. There are simply too many good users on this site ;-)

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Wow O.o That is impressive. I would like to think that you are one of the exceptions. Then again the poll said that 30 % think it is too low which implies they are in a similar position. Then again the topic title probably attracted those in similar position so the result of it might be not represantive. ^^

Hm, while I am at it. Do I assume correctly that the whitelisted user has been increasing rather fast at the beginning and is now slowly drifting into saturation? Or is it a more linear function? Just asking since those final 150 users still might take a while since you probably have whitelisted the majority of the active usership.

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You are very accurate with this assumption. Before the SGTools GA era whitelisting was one of the only two effective ways to completely avoid rule breakers (the other being group GAs). Back then I added many people who had a clean profile and normally also a good ratio. I also added a smaller number of users based on them writing insightful or helpful posts on the forum. Nowadays it's almost completely the opposite, so the pace has slowed down. I also rely almost exclusively on SGTools to make my GA creation experience trouble free, so I'm less dependent on the whitelist for this.

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Hm -_- While I got the trend correct is for the completely wrong reason .... I always tend to forget the impact SGTools is having on this community (despite the numerous threads about it). Welp, thanks for the information anyway ^^

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