UPDATE: Steam removed many games: Not availabe in Germany! Thread - now with infos

we can play, just not directly buy

i can, i buy these via bundles or swiss friends :D
But you're right, that's a huge list of cool games..

Stimmt, waren die schon immer nicht da oder wurden die erst entfernt? (Ich besitze ja alle)

Definitive Edition is not available to purchase in germany only the first version as cut...i talk about the steam store.
And you can activated Definitive Edition via VPN and after some month you can play without VPN. I don't know why.^^

Dead Space 2 and Dead Island and Unreal (Any of em) has nothing to do with Germany or Nazis and it's still unavaliable and you want to blame Adolf for that ?XD

USK indiziert oder verbietet aber keine Spiele, sondern die BPjM.^^

Über die Kriterien der USK kann man sicher streiten aber ein Rating wie eben auch PEGI und Co. finde ich schon recht sinnvoll.

better example:
Mortal Kombat 9 is indicated in germany, but Mortal Kombat X is uncut with USK 18 :D

Just to clarify some things.
It has nothing to do with german logic, but more with the incompetence of most of the publishers who are thinking that it is not allowed to sell the uncut versions of the games if they did not got a rating etc.

They are not even be forced to put a region lock/activation lock on the games, as everyone who is at least 18 years old is allowed to buy that stuff.

me too :D

yepp, manche Spiele sind nichtmal verboten oder so. Max Payne z.b. darf wieder frei verkauft werden, aber wird nicht in Steam eingetragen....

Not german logic but rockstars.

right, Dead Rising 1 gibts aber nicht für PC. Nur Wii und Xbox360

So werden Spiele meist interessant, bzw bekommen Ansehen/Aufmerksamkeit.
Es gibt immer Mittel und Wege ranzukommen, daher ist es teilweise schon ein wenig dumm.
Man sollte eben nur mehr Kontrollen beim Verkauf veranlassen + Ist es auch meist Eltern Entscheidung. (Da schreibe ich aber niemanden was vor.)
Spiele mit viel dummen Rassismus oder Hass bzw sinnlose Gewalt ohne gute Erzählung oder gameplay, kann man da ja raussortieren. Siehe Hatred dieser Bullshit.

Vielen dank, ja kann ich gern dazu schreiben.

Fast alle haben jetzt eine Info bekommen, manche haben noch "(??????)"
Da ich nicht weiß ob diese ohne Probleme aktivierbar sind oder nicht.

Reasons. For a minority it is about the symbolics and thematics (everything related to the NS regime). For the majority it is the degree of violence (ripped of arms/legs, etc....). And for the rest? Mainly reasons.

Although the majority can be activated and played in Germany if you get your key/gift from somewhere else (for example Typing of the Dead or Dead Island). But a few of them can't even be activated in Germany (looking at you Dead Rising 2: Off the records >.<).

Yes, can be activated, but they are not allowed to sell it here, because EA has the licence rights (although they don´t use them anymore...)

thanks. :)
I don't know why these are not available in GER...

that's a list of many PC games, but not all games listed on Steam.

Da geht es aber mehr um uncut (paar Ausnahmen sind gar nicht im deutschen Store)
Die Liste ist nur für Spiele, die es gar nicht im deutschen Store zu kaufen gibt.

Oh damn...they was faster^^
Aliens vs. Predator which game?

not all, but that's not the reason for the thread. :)

both availabe, but cut

There are special german versions of Wolfenstein and The Old Blood because of the swastikas. It is a forbidden symbol. Of course Zenimax or Bethesda screwed it up by not only removing the swastikas but also any references to Nazis even though that is not forbidden and making it in german language only. So, no english language. They could have just replaced the swastikas with any other symbol and saved a lot of money.

Hmm... or peoples could simply follow the Kurator of the Group "for Uncut" on Steam.
All the Infos you want to collect are allready present there.
Even better if you do so you can directly see on the Store Page what Kind of lock if any and if World wide keys are activatable or not.

But of course if you want to do the work maybe you can consider to Support them with your effort.

I think you'd need to distinguish a bit further, between diffrent packages and Editions.
Just saying activates without VPN is too general.
I can only speak from my experience with the latest Humble Bundle:
"Dead Island GOTY (NA + Row)" does indeed activate without VPN, while
"Dead Island Riptide Complete Edition (NA + ROW)" does not. On the other hand I've been
told that "Dead Island Riptide Complete Edition (EU)" should work.

Some reasons. to brutal, nazi symbols incl story like Wolfenstein. updated cancellation of an indicated, like Max Payne. Or for no reason like football manager series.
It's a strange system..

There is no "ban" for games in Germany. Some are just not allowed to be advertised or sold openly. That's it.

Different reasons.... but yes, for games mostly violence. But very few games are really "banned", it´s mostly a publisher decision and Steam not implementing a proper age verification system.
Sometimes there´s a "low-violence-version (i.e., green blood, no ragdoll-effects etc) if the publishers thinks it wouldn´t get a rating otherwise... and for titles with no USK-rating no advertising is allowed, and no putting in on the "shelf" where someone under 18 could see it, but you could sell them if you verify the age of the buyer (that means, really verify it, not just a "are you over 18?"-checkbox or "enter birth date"). But before digital distribution this was mostly equivalent to prohibition of sale for the publisher as most big shops won´t sell it.
Then there are some few titles that are "seized" (by court order, so this takes some time after release), selling is not allowed, but you are allowed to own them (Wolfenstein was the last one AFAIK).

But it´s getting better, I remember the times when River Raid was on the "Index"... ("leads to physical tension, anger, aggressiveness, restlessness in thinking [...] and headache.". Didn´t know what risks I was taking playing this ;) and now Mortal Kombat X gets USK 18 rating and can be sold openly and advertised... quite a change in judgement if you see it that way.

Danke schön :)
Via Gift oder Key?

Spiele werden bis heute leider nicht als Kunstform angesehen. Auch wenn diese es natürlich schon weitaus besser können als so manche Filme.
Danke für Silent Hill, hattest du ein Key oder Gift?

Das sollte vielleicht mal ein Publisher vor Gericht durchklagen... aber daran haben die kein Interesse, kostet auch ggf. zu viel und dauert wahrscheinlich Jahre. Sehe da in Bezug auf Kunstfreiheit im Prinzip wenig Unterschied, ob Film oder Spiel (ok, Spiel ist "interaktiver").

Wenn du es nicht in Deutschland gekauft hast, dann vielleicht. Aber normal im Bundle ohne.

yepp, but the list of this thread is in "For UNCUT" a little bit wrong or incomplete.