Who's honest? Or Correct?
Feedback/Rep doesn't matter. It can be faked.
Never go first is pretty much the only surefire way to not be scammed. Or not trade at all.
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yeah maybe i will try to make them go first
but then if they are scamming me and they send a real key and then i send a real key, and they say mine is fake or dupe then they leave me bad feedback...
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Yeah. Examples like this are always an issue. There's really no way for either side to prove their case. Perhaps the keys weren't good. Perhaps the person added them to another account. With the current system, there's really nothing that can be done about it.
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You forget one thing,if the #1 rule is never go first any nobody goes first,then how would you trade?
Look trading keys are a risk,trading anything is a risk but trading keys are a bigger risk
Only trade keys with people you know and trust,also never trade anything your not willing to risk in case things still go wrong after the fact.
If your smart about it and if something does not seem right and they seem pushy or rude,do not deal with them,Traders Guild group is a good place to start.
I got to know people in chat and who i can trust and not trust,though for the most part i mostly trade bundle games for other bundle games dealing with other stuff is just to much of a hassle and more of a risk imo.
Like i said never trade anything your not willing to risk and lose.There is no fool proof way to trade,as even trusted traders have been knowing to scam after building some rep.Yes rep can be faked but if you do your home work and look at the rep and look at who left it and use a bit of common sense for the most part you can tell if it is fake or not.
Private profiles are another thing to watch out for,but they are not always out to scam you either some people like to keep stuff private.
Anyhow just be cautious,be patient,use common sense and the risk should be pretty low to get scammed.
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You could ask for screenshot with chat included but you didn't do that.
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hmm good idea, but if anyone has gimp or Photoshop like me that can be easy and quickly edited to their favor
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Best advice: trade only gift for keys/cards/metal in trade window, steam keys only if they are cheap so if you get scammed it's no big loss. You lost 2 cheap games and i am sorry about that but it's not worth to stress yourself about that. i wish you all good man :)
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it's hard to say who's correct, but in the end, it was a good idea for you to stop the trade. It's not like the other person lost anything by you stopping the trade anyway. If you felt like something was wrong, you should listen to your gut and stop.
i always try to go first, unless its a bundle game and the person is a much higher level than me.
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how do you sure your keys are not used ? where did you get those 2 CD-keys ?
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humble bundle, they are already activated on my account, and I had the game before I purchased the bundles.
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I don't want to be rude, but...
a) You should give one key at a time, to avoid losing both keys if something goes wrong.
b) You just have 9 positive feedback... and a negative one. Is not like you are to be blindly trusted anyway.
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then why do so many users want to trade if i have -1 and +9, if it was me i would not trade with a -1, at all, but they do, i rekon because they think they can scam me, and they do
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I just saw that you gave away a copy of MoW: Red Tide months ago. Are you sure it wasn't used and you just forgot?
Did you pressed the redeem button to get the keys from Humble right before giving them to him? Or they were already visible?
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i keep all my keys in a text document in the depths of my pc
so i dont have to go to all bundle website to check where they are, i get a lil annoyed at users they take so long to send a key in a trade, because they are finding it, so i keep them all in 1 doc
and gave away a copy oh on the giveaways, yeah that was another copy i got from a website i use to buy steam keys.. so could have not a dupe key
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I suggest you to just take a little longer in the transaction and make sure the key is as fresh as possible, people rarelly complain if they need to wait a minute or two.
I have runned into duped keys during trades caused by simple confusions, both from my side and the other guys side, and I always worked it out by talking and agreeing on another game for the trade.
Just be patient and remember that failing is human.
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take a little longer, to make sure its fresh? (please explain im confused)
and one user sent me his game first and then i sent mine, his worked, and mine APPARENTLY did not, so i offered many other games, and he told me after trying around 5 games, they they were all dupes, and then i proceeded to give him my whole trade-able tf2 inventory (worth around $1-$1.5) because i felt like i owed him something, but then i though and though, and i realized i had been scammed.
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Well yeah, it sounds like you got scammed. Always try to take a little time to make the trade, as I said people rarelly complain if you ask them to wait. But a scammer is probably in a rush (hit and run, you know), so taking your time will show you if they are impatient or not.
I'm talking about obtaining the key as late as possible, that way there is zero chance that you mix-up your keys and end with an already used one for trade.
It can happen when you have more than one key for the same game.
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later if you buy a bundle and want to keep a game to trade, dont get the code, just create a gift URL and save that to your doc. Before trading with s.o you can check that the gift was used or not :)
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yeah in future bundles i will create a gift url, hey are more reliable
thanks
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That might not be good advice actually. If you're already keeping a document noting which games are used or not, just keep it noted there without having created the gift link.
The reason I say this is that once the gift link is created, it's possible to discover it through brute force or someone some easier way finding that gift link. Some have said the safest option is to only create the gift link when you're about to send it.
I speak from experience here, two humble links I got from a trade (with someone I trust) were already used when I went to redeem them. Granted, this was 8 months after I had done the trade. I guess I should get back to him and see if Humble can invalidate those links and make new ones.
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It's impossible to brute force the gift link. Sounds like his HB or email account was hacked and the links were stolen. One of the biggest reasons HB has the steamguard-like system now. I'd be curious if they would let him after all this time..that would scare me off from HB link trades.
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It's impossible to brute force the gift link.
what made you say that? even humble bundle must think they might be bruteforced because i remember a warning from them to create the gift links as late as possible -when you'll actually use it. or maybe my mind tricks me and there never was such warning but still, i don't get the impossible part.
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The new links are 16 bit length of numeric and upper/lower case letters..it would take a gigamegagodzillion years to crack them. Granted that is to crack a specific one but the chances you'll find a valid one is once in a lifetime if you don't get ip blocked before then. Steamgifts uses only 5 bit codes for the GA's here and I don't believe any have been cracked through brute-force by more than guessing 1 character.
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iirc the longest giveaway you can make is 1 month. but people sometimes keep their bundle keys for years. not even mentioning possible hard disk problems and chance of losing the file you're keeping the urls in. but that's not the main concern anyway. our main concern is if hb gift links can be exposed or not. sure, it's really unlikely, but i wouldn't say impossible.
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It is virtually impossible to brute-force a gift link. It is much easier for somebody to guess your password to your email account or HB account and get all your keys. Which happens all the time. With all the database leaks happening every day at least 1 account in them would have a HB account with the same user/pass combo.
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but why would you take even if there is the slightest chance? someone can try their chance for the heck of it, not even for brute-forcing purpose, and bump into your unused gift link. it is unlikely but not impossible.
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I searched for humblebundle at a document dump site and I see at least 100 logins for humble bundle. Unless somebody took the time to email the owners or HB they're probably all still valid.
The point is that it's virtually impossible. The keyspace is huge. 47,672,401,706,823,533,450,263,330,816 compared to a steamworks key 221,073,919,720,733,357,899,776 compared to a steamgifts ga 916,132,832.
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but the thing you miss is there is always the risk to lose your account. creating gift links or not is irrelevant to that. by creating them you're only raising the odds to lose your games.
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As long as the key page is linked to your account so only you can see it when logged in then sure. I'm just telling you that by the time somebody does brute force a gift link McDonalds will have a restaurant on every single planet in the universe. :p
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i didn't get the key page linked to your account part. we are still talking about humble bundle's gift links, right? the ones that asks your e-mail, then sends you a new url with the "your slice from the humble pie" title or something like that.
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When you buy a bundle all the keys for that bundle are listed on a key page that can be linked to an account. Unlinked key pages can be viewed by anybody that knows the key number, linked pages can only be seen by the account owner. That's the only place you can generate gift links. The pie emails are redeemed gift links. You can't regift or link those to a different account. That key page would be visible to anybody.
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yes, i know how humble bundle works but thanks anyway for taking your time to explain it.
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You were saying that it would be more secure not to generate gift links for the games you want to save for later to keep them safe. I said as long as that main key page is linked to your account you are correct. The gift url would be the only unsecured part of your account at that point. An unlinked key page can be brute-forced in the same manner which would be more rewarding. Hackers are smart..they're not going to waste their time with brute-forcing.
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i see that we don't have any disagreements other than taking an unnecessary risk -maybe very little risk but still a risk- by creating gift links. maybe it's more convenient for you to make a list of them in a word or excel etc file. i still don't get it and i doubt i'll get it why would you do that. it's not like humble bundle is a mess like other bundle sites anyway. but if you so desire, what's to say.
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whoa such an in-depth long conversation on my post, how awesome!
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well i always offer to go first, i've been scammed around %40 of my trades and yeah my key then their key, i did that with a user and it went well both got 4 games from each other
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Wow. 40% is really high. :(
I feel bad for you, so I'm going to look through your games list on steam and see if I have something to give you that you don't own.
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I agree with Axelflox about trading one key at a time to mitigate any loss and would add that you should trade gift links from HB, not the keys.
That way, the links can be revoked by HB if someone steals them in a trade (had a similar case happen when a bot stole a key I posted on twitter for a friend of mine. I reported the link, it got revoked, and HB sent me a new gift link to share with my friend.). If you use the keys, there's really nothing they can do to help you out, afaik.
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woah really, thats great, because most of my games come from humble bundle, so if thats the case with gift-able links will definitely be used more by me in the future!
PS. yeah humble ninja support is great huh
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Yeah HB support is awesome but they're far too forgiving when it comes to the revoke requests. I always wait 6 months before giving away HB codes from others because there's almost always a few in the stash that say order canceled.
The problem with trading is I see too many people begging for +rep for cards or other stupid stuff so it's pointless to go by rep. I gave up on trading. I find it more rewarding to give what I don't want away and hope someday karma says here's your winning lotto ticket. Hearing a 'thanks for the game dude' is so much more satisfying than hearing 'your codes suck dude'!
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To be honest, the fact he got so defensive I think suggests there was something dodgy about him. If that'd been me and I'd just been given through chat two keys that were duplicated then I would not be trusting you anymore. The fact he then wanted to try some other games of yours is a bit of a red flag.
As others noted, you would have been better off doing one key at a time.
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You need to check his library if he looked for new games for himself. But really it was a crap.
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Try to activate other keys from the same bundle, just in case your account was compromised. You can always try to contact the bundle's support to revoke the keys if you didn't authorise their activation. (That worked for me with Humble Bundle, but I am waiting for several months to hear a word from Indiegala support on similar case.)
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Everything you say sound like you don't have a clue and are not being careful, I really think you should give up on this trading.
I don't mean to be rude, but if you feel you're being scammed 40 % of the times you try trading, just don't :)
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its not my fault that im being scammed, im not intentionally attracting scammers.
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You could try using teamviewer: make that a rule with your trades so you can see exactly what the other person is doing and can take action if needed. You could even be the one to copy paste the key in their system through using teamviewer (as a remote desktop type deal where both people can see whats going on).
It's free and I've used it for quite some other purposes as well. Might be useful here?
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well not team viewer, but screen share on skype that would work
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Any program with similar functionality would work. If Skype has preference (and most people have it), then you could check whats going on and/or input the code into their accounts screen yourself or something.
(Only mentioned Teamviewer cause I have a preference for that program, and I hate Skype :P)
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yeah teamviewer is top, but people would feel more secure on skype, because i can actually do anything but watch and approve
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haha, if anybody would insists on such a hassle for a simple trade i would just decline the whole trade ;)
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One suggestion for trading keys that are your own. If possible, like it is in Humble Bundle. Do NOT REDEEM them until the moment you are trading them. And with redeem i mean GENERATING the key itself. keep a document if you want of the game titles u have not redeemed yet, but not with the keys. That way you can really be 100% sure (this is what I do with my old HB games before the gift-link system was introduced). Also always buy as gift-link when possible and not claimed in your HB account. Sending the gift link will always work and you can easily check if it has been used before (if it has not been used it will ask for an addres to recover it with, if it has been used it will say so, so the other party cannot possibly say it was used).
Third thing is, there is a possibility that you both were right, if you guys are in different restriction zones of steam. In those cases it is possible that it will appear to him as duplicated key and you will not be able to use that key again either. It happened to me while trying to trade with a user in Argentina (im EU). However I think this problem is solved when using gift-links, and only appears when trading keys direclty (as at the moment you generate the key its being generated for your region I imagine). In the example of the Argentinian user, my keys did not work in his account, and were not usable anymore after he tried, while the gift links did not have that problem.
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thanks for the comment, after reading many reply's I have thought about only redeeming the key right before the trade.
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Impersonal POV: both or nobody is right
with no actual proof, I can't say anything else than this. (something must've happened with your key, maybe you trade it and forgot; if your account is secure, code should have been working)
let this one go or send hb ticket to replace the key.
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thanks to "a user who commented below" with an answer i think is great and answers all my problems i will rarely be replying to comment. but will leave this post open to see how the votes go.
So i just tried to trade with a user (no im not going to include his name because i will probably be suspended, for (calling out a user)) but here it is:
RvBVakama: hey
RvBVakama: so men of war red tide and Insecticide Part 1
for
KAMI and CreaVures
A user: Yes ^^
RvBVakama: sure i cant get 1 more from you?
A user: Sorry, I have all the other games i think
RvBVakama: no i mean stilly ou recieve 2 game but i get 3 from you, becaue the prices are in your favor
RvBVakama: ill like to keep the prices roufley the sam if i cnaA user: No 1:1 only
RvBVakama: ok no problem i go first
RvBVakama: ok
RvBVakama: ?
A user: Ok, the games are the same price
RvBVakama: huh
RvBVakama: sorry your right
RvBVakama: i though red tide was 15usd MY BAD
RvBVakama: im sorry
RvBVakama: ok im ready now
RvBVakama: so i go first :)?
A user: Ok np let's trade ^^
A user: yes
RvBVakama: Men of War: Red Tide Steam Key: --------------------------
RvBVakama: Insecticide Part 1: ----------------------------
A user: All duplicated keys
RvBVakama: wow i doubt it, but thats why i go first, the trade is off, im very sorry
RvBVakama: good bye
A user: I can trade for Europa Universalis if it is avaliable
RvBVakama: nah, i dont mean too be rude, i just dont trust you anymore
A user: ?
A user: It is not my problem if your CD-Keys don't work
RvBVakama: i take great care of my steam keys, so i doubt they are duplicates, but if you say they are, i can do nothing about it
RvBVakama: so any trade with you is off
RvBVakama: im very VERY sorry
A user: Yes, Great care and your steam keys are duplicated, what do you want a screenshot?
RvBVakama: no because you can just take one from google, or if you had a friend there with you you could give him the games, and then you activate it and get a screenshot that way
RvBVakama: i wont leave you neg feedback btw, unless ou leave me neg feedback
RvBVakama: because i cant prove anything here
A user: Omg, It is very offensive that you are telling me that i scammed you
A user: I'm a collector, i dont want games on another account
RvBVakama: i just said many time i cant prove anything
A user: Check my account, your games aren't there
RvBVakama: mate, if you had a friend you coudl have GIVEN HIM THE GAMES
RvBVakama: ofc they would not be in your account then
RvBVakama: HE WOULD HAVE THEM
A user: I'm just wasting my time
RvBVakama: im not stupid, and you a re making me angry
RvBVakama: good BYE
RvBVakama: BAD BYE
A user: You think i'm stupid, I'm not, I made a lot of trades these days, you don't
A user: see you
RvBVakama: cya mate
A user is now Offline.
What do you think guys?
How do you guys not get scammed?
PS: im thinking of setting up a rule, no people with under 100 feedback can trade with me? what do you think?
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