I agree that 8 GB VRAM is not enough these days. There are already games released that perform better on the 16GB versions of the same card and this is will only get more common as time goes on. One card you haven't mentioned is the AMD 9060 XT 16 GB that might also be interesting in your price category. What you didn't mention is which resolution you play on, which is vitally important in choosing an appropriate card. For general scaling between cards you can take a look at the image
For the CPU you might want to also look at the 8 core 7700/9700 depending on price.
Concerning RAM I agree with everything you said.
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Thanks, 9060XT 16GB seems to be trend among others as well. Will try to check what kind of deal I can get, but in stores for now it goes for around 400 eur. For now I mainly play 1080p. I have a widescrean 2560x1080. I dont think I will go 4k or even 2k gaming in any foreseeable future, so I dont think I have to worry much that.
I think that my second set of monitors (for work) are 1440p though. So might eventually set them up again. Either way it would most likely be 1080p with possible switch to 1440p either with my work screens or widescreen 1440p later on.
And thanks - I will think about 7700 - its only a bit more expensive (20-30 eur) then 7600, but from what I already saw after quick google search - for production tasks the 2 cores give decent improvement. I want to eventually pick up video editing again and who knows - maybe some new hobby as well which requires more non-gaming related tasks to be done.
thanks :)
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My head is currently at b650 MSI Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 5 7600 CPU. For RAM I want to go 32 GB, and from what I understand CL30, 6000 MHz is a good spot for the Ryzen
Yeah, this is good. 7600 is a solid CPU and 32GB RAM is enough for at least several years for the vast majority of games. Check that it's cheaper than a 9600X, no point in getting the older CPU if the newer one is the same price. Also a good pairing for something on the level of a 5060 or 5070.
VRAM
8GB is not really enough anymore, but it's okay for most non-AAA games on 1080p. If you mostly play competitive shooters, MOBAs, and indies, 8GB is not going to be a big deal for you.
For AAA or 1440p, you want more.
Intel GPU
Cheap, but also slow. It's somewhere in-between a 7600 XT and 4060, it varies heavily between games. The drivers still need work, but they're okay for the most part. The most common issue you'll have is the very latest games having low performance until a driver update, and very old games running poorly or with glitches/crashes. Not sure if I'd recommend it unless you know exactly what you're getting.
What are the benefits of going for 50xx series instead of 30xx series even if it has lower VRAM?
The 50 series has access to DLSS frame generation, while 30 and 40 series need to use FSR frame generation which is in much fewer games and not as advanced. Mostly a AAA feature, and it has the drawback of a large increase in latency at low input framerates. So if you're getting less than around 50-60 fps without frame gen, it will feel "laggy" despite doubling the framerate.
Is the 9060 XT available in your region? Like mentioned above it's a good alternative for 5060/5060 Ti, but in some regions it's priced higher despite being a bit slower. If the 16GB version is cheaper than 5060 TI 16GB that's a good alternative.
The 7700 XT 12GB for 320 EUR is a good deal too, I think. Normally I think it's at least 350, it's around the same speed as a 9060 XT (slower in ray-tracing but still doable).
If I had to choose, considering I play AAAs as well as indies at 1440p, I'd choose between the 5060 Ti 16GB, 9060 XT 16GB, and get the AMD if it's cheaper. The 7700 XT maybe if my budget was very constrained, but then I'd also consider the second hand market, maybe a juicy 3080 10GB for under 300 EUR if you can find one? That's what I'm using now and it does the job well enough.
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I can be flexible on price, but I dont want to cough up the same amount for GPU that I have for my entire build...
Most of the money can go into the GPU for anything above 4070TI or equivalent.
Don't get any GPU from Arc Alchemist series (Axxx), Battlemage (Bxxx) GPUs are better but still have driver/compatibility problems.
You should check the prices for RTX 4060. It's decent and doesn't rely on fake frames. I can play all of my titles on this card and edit/render videos. If you want to play VR, use AI thingies and play Minecraft max settings in 4K with Raytracing you will need something like an 4080-4090.
The CPU is kinda weak and superseded by AMD Ryzen 5 9600X. If you don't need to compile sourcecode or have CPU heavy workloads you can stick to 9600X. If you really need CPU power get a 7800x3D (like I have) or 9800X3D (superseding 7800x3D).
For RAM make sure it's compatible with the mobo, you can find that on any product page at Support > Memory. Grab 6000MHz, CL30 and dual kit. 32GB should be ok, unless you want to host servers, then you should buy 1 stick of 32GB and save some more and get the second (risky, as the stocks might run out). Don't go for 4 sticks.
I saw that ppl in Latvia recommend balticdata as a store, so I grabbed some links for you.
GPU
RTX 4060 OC - 309.95 €
Intel B570 - 223.95 €
CPU
Ryzen 5 9600X - 217.95 €
https://www.balticdata.lv/en/datortehnika/datoru-komponentes/procesori/procesors-amd-ryzen-5-9600x
RAM
Kingston Fury Beast RGB 32GB White CL30 - 136.95 €
Overview with PC Part Picker https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/nZZ6fd
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Whatever you do don't buy a GPU with less than 16 GB VRAM in 2025. Entry level Nvidia cards aren't worth the money as they are too weak to deliver the advertised RTX features satisfyingly. I wouldn't consider Intel cards as their products aren't mature enough for mass adoption and nobody knows if Intel will be still here to support their products in the coming years.
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Be sure your cpu cooler can be mounted on newer sockets!
If you're on a budget, check used market. Usually, you can get decent AM4 nowadays. And ram is cheaper to upgrade.
GPU: 16 gb min. Used 4070ti if you find one or AMD. Intel is good for work, but not for gaming. Watch for PSU limitations. AI work needs VRAM too. Also, you buy this for a long period, and 12gb card is starting to get the min requirement. We are close to 16gb already.
RAM: 16 gb min with option to update to 32gb. Video editing needs ram.
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Good advice, but if the cooler he bought does not work with the socket, he has the stock cooler bundled with the CPU to save him, which would be good enough, as long as he does not mess around and overclocks the thing.
Me personally, i would avoid anything liquid based unless i have the idea of overclocking my system to extreme levels.
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It works with the socket :) Already checked.
I hope it fits in the case though, but I actually got it for free. It is missing a wire for controlling RGB for pump and fans together or something, so it was not put up for sale. Should work fine otherwise, if it doesnt then I will just get a regular air-cooler.
So in my case it was just a pleasent little bonus for the system. Otherwise agreed.
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yeah, I'm not a fan of AIO coolers. If the pump dies, you can throw it away; if the air cooler dies, you just buy a new ventilator.
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Thanks. Yes - the cooler fits the socket.
I am checking the used market but it is not that big right now. A lot of people are putting together systems for sale and you can find crazy priced systems and people trying to offload RTX cards which they got for expensive... Some GPUs come up, but they are usually 8 GB cards.
But I am going for 32 GB ram anyway already. Thanks for suggestions.
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Make sure your mobo supports the exact ram module you are purchasing, you can check that here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/support#mem
Assuming i got the right mobo. If you do not confirm this, you can end up having issues with your ram and mobo, most likely you will get lower frequency than what you were expecting and can't do nothing to fix it. 32GB CL30 6000mhz is the right spot. Assuming you are doing 2x16gb (do not do a single stick, it will impact performance).
Mobo itself is a good one, i was originally going for that when i built my new pc 3-4 months ago. But i ended up giving up on cutting costs and went all out with a more expensive build, so the mobo did not make it to the end. I know it is a good one because i did my research back then and spent a bit too much time digging all sorts of combinations and what was compatible and what not.
The CPU is good enough i should say. For gaming, it should work just fine, you will only see that big of a difference vs other CPUs if you pair a beefier GPU and cut down on quality settings in game to increase frame rates. Essentially competitive shooters would make a better use of a better CPU because those would allow for much higher frame rates. Also when it comes to professional work, more cores will help you out but it all depends if you really need to do things fast or you got "enough time" to deal with stuff so you can take it slower. CPU also has a stock air cooler included, which is good enough if you have no intentions of overclocking as these are specifically built to handle the current stock TDP the CPU will use. So anything higher is pushing beyond its capability and could lead to problems down the road.
The CPU liquid cooler, this is something i would never mess around with. I've always seen complaints online about people having leaks, this alone makes me want to avoid any liquid stuff in electronics. Even more so after seeing my brother buying a custom built pc, which he requested the store to build and deliver it to his address, they did that exactly, except when he powered it on, he noticed that the computer was leaking, this ended up forcing him to pick up the damn thing and go to a store personally with a 3 hour drive to the nearest store, to have them fix the problem ASAP. This was from a certified/qualified store, they have to build and test the system, it's weird that they did not spot any leaks, but when my brother was booting it up, he saw droplets inside the computer. This same company built my recent pc and they seem to often mess around with how they build things. In my situation, the GPU support bracket was applied and bent (i assume they bent the support bracket to avoid damaging the computer while in transport, which is good, but there was no notification of this, so i had to assume this is what they did), additionally the cables coming from the PSU to GPU were too tight for no reason, i had to cut one of the zip ties to allow for the cable to not be stretched and under pressure at all times, there was plenty of cable hidden away and "locked" for no reason. The best part of it all was how the entire thing was delivered. The old man delivering to my door, had the computer box upside down, which was a damn red flag to me instantly, one of the corners of the box was scrapped as if it was pushed with a bit of force when moving around. And then inside the box, the pc was also not properly placed... I put the box standing up like normal, when i remove the computer from the box, the back of the computer was the one facing the floor while i removed it from the box... This left me scratching my head honestly, ended up giving them a bad review and reporting it online on our "consumers rights" platform.
What exactly is the PSU? If it's "ADATA core" then you should be fine. PSUs are important for the system, the wattage usually means nothing if the quality of the PSU is bad. You can google PSU tier list and check the top 3 results. One of them is an old tier list that can still be used to some extent on older PSUs in the market. The other 2 links indicate a google document tier list, that one is mostly up to date and people should use that when buying a PSU for a new build. A lot of custom prebuilds from stores cut costs here. Because majority of people are going to look at the price and specs, and if the price is too good, then the store is 100% cutting costs elsewhere, usually the PSU. As it is one of those things majority of people does not understand yet, people will slowly adapt and understand the market, so higher ram, higher storage, specific GPU and CPU is something they will end up understanding as time goes on, but stores can still "cheat" costumers by giving them large numbers with a component but the build quality being poor, which makes it much cheaper to use. A cheaper component will eventually lead to a problem down the road, could be short term or even long term, depending on how you use your system and how lucky you can get. I've used a 750W bronze PSU for 11 months and it almost fried my old build, just picture your graphics card literally starting to spark on the display port cable. This was after replacing my 10 years old PSU which was 800W silver rated, which lasted that long and survived for like 3 years of using a higher end GPU paired with it, the bronze one literally started acting up 10 months in and by the time i had it for 11 months, i was literally panicking. This was when i decided to make a new budget build, except i invested more on the PSU and ram. Used that for 3 years just fine until i made this new build, i could have continued to use that previous budget build, all i needed to replace was the GPU and i would be fine for another 3 years. The 1080ti was still performing well, but the software side of things was leaving it behind in new games, that was the main problem for me.
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Finally, the GPU...
Long story short on the GPU, you should avoid:
-8gb VRAM (aim for 12gb minimum, 16gb being the sweet spot)
-if the PSU is not that good, avoid using higher TDP GPUs (aim for a GPU that consumes less energy to avoid future problems)
-avoid intel A series if you do not want headaches, even the B series are "meh" and can lead to headaches along with the fact that B series perform much better when paired with higher end CPUs
-avoid any hardware that is from RX 6000 series or RTX 3000 series, unless you find a REALLY GOOD DEAL
With this said, your picks:
3060 - decent amount of vram but poor performance for 2025. It's like a low end GPU that only manages to stay relevant this far because of the 12gb VRAM nvidia gave to the card.
5060 - bad, skip it
5060ti - 8 GB, bad skip it
3070 - skip
RX 7600 XT - 16GB, thus far the best option for gaming but it is by far the worst option for ray tracing or anything software related (AI, technology in general... AMD is behind intel and nvidia with the RTX 7000 series, so the upside is the raster performance and VRAM amount for lower price). This GPU is one such case of not enough performance but plenty of VRAM, so you are trading performance for VRAM.
RX7700 - 12 GB, also a great option (probably the best one you listed), 12gb is good enough for now but can be a problem once the next generation of consoles settles in (they will push VRAM in games to be 16gb most likely in the long run, so anything less than that will have problems running future games even if the hardware has enough "horsepower", not having enough VRAM, it will simply handicap the performance massively. However it is possible that 12gb to be a solid option). This card offers decent performance but the VRAM is questionable longterm. This is why the RX 7800 XT made more sense back when the lineup was fresh, paying 50€ more for additional performance and 16GB VRAM was a no brainer.
Intel Arc A770 16gb - headache for gaming, has a bonus for professional work but it's not the best in the field. The performance of this card is all over the place, it can perform as low as a RTX 3060 and as good as a RTX 4060ti or something long those lines, driver support is the main issue for this one, also if you enjoy playing older games, good luck with this one!
So, from best to worst... 7700 XT -> 7600 XT 16gb -> 3060 -> A770 16gb -> 5060 8gb -> 5060ti 8gb -> 3070
My personal suggestion, that will for sure go beyond your 350€ price point:
-rx 9060 XT 16gb (performs similar to 7700XT, has more VRAM, newer tech such as FSR4 support, means better RT, better performance down the road, etc)
-RTX 5060 ti 16gb (4060ti 16gb would be the ideal choice if it was still on stores and slightly cheaper than the 5060 ti 16gb, would loose some on the software side of things but at least physx would not be a problem)
Aim for the one that is more affordable in your area. Both cards are of similar performance, with the RTX usually having the upper hand by a small margin. Nvidia still has the upper hand in tech, but RTX 5000 series suffer from poor performance in older games because they stopped supporting old tech in the newer cards (physx). This makes frame rates tank massively when physx is present, so yeah... I think the 9060 XT 16gb is the most stable choice of the two but we have to keep in mind that AMD is playing catch up to intel/nvidia currently. They made some decent progress, to the point that they might be on par with intel, but they aren't quite there yet on par with nvidia.
"But but, that will go beyond my 350€ price point"
Rules are meant to be broken sometimes. This is such a case. Why would you spend 50 bucks less to buy a piece of hardware that will handicap your system and experience, if you know that dishing out a bit more will give you a much better result overall. This is exactly what occurred with the 7700XT vs 7800XT, at least in my country. The 7700XT was poorly priced, it was 50€ cheaper than the cheapest 7800XT. Just like how the RX 9070 is 50€ cheaper than the cheapest RX 9070 XT, would you risk buying the lower performing card or going for the higher one for an extra 50€? The difference between 7700XT and 7800XT was bigger than 9070 and 9070XT. This is not to mention that there were sales on the 7800XT and not on the 7700XT model, which is even crazier as the pricing would go as down as like 10-15€ difference, making it an obvious purchase.
EDIT: Had to split the comment into 2, website has a limit.
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Thanks a lot for such a detailed answer. Appreciated :)
Ill try to go step by step to address your suggestions :)
- Happy to hear about the MOBO. I dont think I will go for anything more expensive, but I want to have a solid base for it. And yes - I am checking the QVLs because with the RAM sticks I wanted to upgrade my old DDR3 build with turned out not to be verified and had bunch of issues already. So already looking for something that 100% fits and is supported.
- CPU I will think about a bit yet, maybe get something a bit more beefy, but for now 7600 was the most cost effective. Thats why I wanted to go with AM5 so I have freedom to upgrade, which I didnt have with AM3 socket.
- Seems like a sketchy shop you bought the PC at :D but thanks, I am not huge on liquid cooling either, but as I said in the previous comment, since I got this one for free, I dont mind testing it out. But thanks for the warning - I will test it out at first to see if everything stays within the system.
- It is ADATA Core reactor 2. Gold rated. And sure - this one is indeed important. Again this is a mistake I made with the old system :D It had cheaper corsair PSU which had bunch of issues now and then. It didnt fry anything luckily, but this time I wanted to start out with a solid PSU (I hope the old PSU didnt kill the 1070 though... If its not the thermal paste at fault, something happened to the card itself.... )
- And now the GPU - thanks a lot - this is a great reads. I did like 7600XT - great price and 16gb VRAM, but I thought there should be a catch. As for budget - sure, the 350 is not set in stone.. I just wouldnt want to suddenly spend 600 or so EUR for the GPU. I will note down 9060 XT - It goes around 400 eur in the stores and I might even catch it a on a bit of a discount through a friend, so could be quite good. I had heard about it, but I think it slipped my radar because I kept thinking about 9060 and 9070 simultaneously, but had only kept the price of 9070 in mind. At 400 EUR (or below) this could be a good alternative as I see others are suggesting it as well.
But again - huge thanks for such a detailed answer.
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Your choice of Mobo+CPU+RAM is exactly what I would recommend for a new build, without spending too much. I made a similar choice this year. For the CPU, I had an upgrade path to ZEN6 in mind and it's not worth the extra money for ZEN5.
As GPU I would choose the RX 9060 XT with 16 GB. It's the same price range as your other AMD choices. I would only recommand older generation GPU if they are noticeably cheaper, but not the same price range.
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First of all, I feel like what I wanted to say has already been said by someone else.😁
My head is currently at b650 MSI Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 5 7600 CPU. For RAM I want to go 32 GB, and from what I understand CL30, 6000 MHz is a good spot for the Ryzen. I would be happy to hear thoughts/experience on these parts and feel free to correct me if this is horrible combo.
If you want to use games and AI right away, choose an Nvidia graphics card. It's a bit expensive, though.
If you want to use games and AI right away, choose an RX90xx with 16GB of memory. It's a little cheaper than Nvidia, but AI support depends on the situation.no ai? RX7900XTX
If you just want something that works, Intel graphics cards offer the best value for money. However, there are reports of occasional minor freezes in some games and concerns about driver optimization.
Also, memory OC using AMDEXPO is not covered by the warranty.
Well, it will probably work normally 99% of the time. When starting up for the first time, it is better to check the behavior without loading the EXPO profile and then consider those settings.
Well, since the motherboard is not PCI Express 5.0 compatible, I think it will be difficult to upgrade this computer later.
So, RTX4090, RX7900XTX, and Arc770 may come to mind.RTX4090???? Only an option if you find a great used item
PCI5 is backward compatible, so it can physically be inserted into PCI4. However, there is no guarantee that it will function properly.
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Do not buy an 8GB GPU.
On some games you can't even select high textures already at 1080p.
Which means your brand new GPU will present your new games with blurry textures.
I'd seriously consider zeus9060's advice:
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/ZDWOznO
Concerning Nvidia.
Since the 5000 series came out previous all generations have been suffering from bad drivers,crashes etc.
It's been reported many times on tech channels and even game devs suggest using the GPU drivers from Dec 2024 unless you need the game-specific support for a new game!
PCIE 5.0 is non-issue for normal users.
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You're absolutely correct that 8gb is dreck, given you hold onto cards for so long it's really quite important you plump for more.
Not sure if prices have settled for the 9060xt 16gb where you are yet but in general it's absolutely the value leader at this level and should be in your budget - if it's not widely stocked locally yet it'd be worth sending an email to your favourite hardware shops to see when it's likely to be available. Both the Pulse and Hellhound are excellent options depending on the cooler size you're after.
5060s are technically solid but really quite overpriced for the performance, unfortunately both the 7000 series and 4000 series were minor bumps over the 6000s and 3000s respectively. This makes them hard to justify new but if you have a healthy local used market it might be worth poking around for a 6800xt. The 7700xt is not an awful fallback option but 330 is really very steep for the performance offered and that 12gb will potentially lock you a lower quality experience than you might hope going forward, the 3060 at least has price on it's side but similar issues. Both would really be bought with the knowledge you'd be looking to upgrade again in a couple of years. The 7600xt lacks the performance to really leverage that 16gb, at 320 it's probably the most overpriced card on your list.
Respect to anyone that's willing to go Intel but the A series was a mess and we're still waiting to see if they bother with anything beyond a B580. Again, if used is an option there's almost certainly a better AMD card available for 280.
Best of luck with it.
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Thanks :) Looks like I will try to steer clear of 8GB Cards.
9060xt 16gb seems to go for around 400 EUR. Might not be that huge increase over initial budget. I hope that is a decent price though. Higher then MSRP from what I see, but not sure about prices elsewhere.
The used market though is not that healthy. We have pretty much just guys offloading old cards to kids who dont know better and others are trying to shoot for the stars building and selling full systems. Not a single 6800xt card avaliable from what I can see :D
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I upgraded to a budget PC recently i5 8500, GTX 1650 MSI, Giogabyte MB, 16 GB RAM, 500GB NVME, 550W Coolermaster PSU. Previous was 4 Core i5 2500, 750TI GPU, 8 GB RAM system..
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That build is fine if you play mostly indies, free to play games and some of the older AAA titles. However it is already outdated if we were to put it side by side with current generation consoles (which is what usually sets the rules for pc hardware to aim for in a generation). That build is essentially from the xbox one/ps4 generation, comparable to the pro consoles in that generation in terms of performance. Taking this into consideration, you are about 1 generation behind in terms of performance.
Then again, this only matters if you play newer titles. If you don't, then it is no big deal most of the time.
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Here's the thing, if you in the near future intend to somewhat serious with AI locally, it seems that -for now- you'd go the nvidia route to make most of it and for what I've seen, hassle free. I have an (AMD) MSI 6700xt 12gb vram so while it serves just fine for 'any' game even at 2k or maybe 4k (depends), and I've managed to make it work with local stable difussion, it's a lossing battle.
If you only want it for work/gaming it's fine. It always kinda best bang for your buck until this CUDA/Rocm/AMD/windows mess. Shame they seem not to care and alientate us clients to either stuck with it or switch to nvidia.
As for the PSU, you'd be fine depending on the model and future upgrades. If you can get actual 850w (never cheap out on PSU). I'd avoid 5000 series for now, lots of burnt stuff and subpar performance compared to older gen.
IDK anything about intel arc, but since I haven't seen much of talk about it I'd say it's smoke and mirrors, maybe?
I'd avoid anything under 12 gb vram, unless you get an offer you cant refuse (lol) for a nice deal and it serves you for games you dont intend to use HQ texture mods and/or go high on resolution, it's still kinda shooting in your foot tho.
I'll be staying in am4 with my trusty ryzen 3600, 32gb ddr4, 6700xt and sata ssds :P MIGHT switch to linux when this whole w10 rip mess settles. I'd love to be able to afford a 6700xt-comparable nvidia card just cause of AI local and to figure out if the weird bugs I'm having sometimes are cause of the AMD gpu, drivers, cables or monitor. You never know with this things XD
Price ranges I can't help since I live in Argentina, you either get a sweet deal online (good luck with that!), search the used market (mostly mining cards) cause local prices/stores just jack up prices x3 or more. CRAZY.
My 2 cents dude.
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I have 3060 with 12gb.
And I have never been disappointed with GPU before, but this one took the cake. Specially when I bought that ~3 years ago for 400€ - if it wasnt that price I would've been ok with it. But for that price it was abysmal.
I previously had GTX 970. I could play that ~8 years, no need for DLSS or other upscales (I didnt even know they existed till I got 3060 lol), always full HD, maybe low or medium graphics at end of life. Only reason I got new PC was because Satisfactory went from UE4 to UE5 and I thought naively that stuttering and low fps my PC issue..half and half
My 3060 is already feeling outdated and I have to put DLSS to balanced at 1080p and most settings to low/medium depending on game.
And wont be getting decent FPS, again, depending on game. So I kinda gave up with new AAA games and went to indies again. Monster Hunter Wilds beta/benchmark couldnt hit 60 fps on low and upscaling.
Which is half of "Next Gen games are poorly optimized" and half "3060 cant keep up".
THAT SAID, If you want me to test any game on different settings feel free to go thro my steam library and ask me to test em out
If I were to pick budget GPU next I would go for AMD RX 9060 XT personally. 16gb vram and 400€ over here.
Now onto speculative stuff, I must be transparent and say Im not expert on these things
According to Techpowerup relative scale:
If 3060 12gb is "100% power"
Then 9060 XT 16gb is 156%
5060 Ti 16gb is 167%
AMD has frame gen for "all games" via software and FSR4 is decent now that its using AI scaling unlike FSR3 (which youd be using with "7000-series"). Nvidia app has a bit of better because of automatically "optimizing" settings and DLSS 4 is pretty neat.
https://youtu.be/CbphkAeSSZw video of 8gb Radeon RX 9060 XT vs. GeForce RTX 5060 Ti the results are bit.. jarring. Tho most of them are very high (which tbh kinda is to be expected imo, most games are made for PS5 in mind and that is around RX 6700 XT(?) so youd expect 2 gens of GPUs later stuff to work on "very high" at ease)
Theres a spot on 2:00 where he tests Horizon Forbidden west with 8gb vs 16gb with
8gb = 16 fps avg
16gb = 67 fps avg
On another video, he tests 9060xt 8gb to 16gb and if you set some games like Indiana Jones to high textures the 8gb gives out 30-40 fps while 16gb 100-120 fps(!)
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With regards to the GPU I honestly would recommend getting nothing less than a 4070. It's more money, but it's well worth waiting for.
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Thanks for the input :)
Its not the issue of waiting, but being a very self conscious of my spending. I debated getting steamdeck for several months before I pulled the gun. And now Im looking at GPU which is more expensive then the whole deck :D I am not light on expensive purchases unless I absolutely and with no other choise need it. In this case, while 4070 would be great, 550eur is a bit steep for what I am ready to spend (and for what I expect to use it, for one - no competetive shooters or anything like that. I like single player cinematic games, simulators, racing games)
Just checked, there is one listing for a used 4070 gigabyte card for 450 EUR. But I am a bit worried about getting the used GPUs these days. I might be able to get a new 9060XT 16GB with a bit of discount - if I can get it closer to MSRP, I think it should do well for me even though 4070 is more powerful. Even if I get the 9060 for about 350 EUR, I think it would make sense to spend 450 on a used card to get that extra performance.
What is your opinion on the 9060?
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I wouldn't buy used electronics myself. Just like anything used you get any issues it comes with. You don't know if someone ran the card into the ground or not, so yeah, I would just avoid that.
Like I mentioned I wouldn't get anything less than 4070, and the performance of 9060 isn't it. In my opinion the 4070 is worth the money and if the price is too high atm, I'd wait to get a new rig until I could get a 4070 or better. A 4070 I believe allows playing pretty much any game on Steam at 4k with max settings and solid FPS. Cyberpunk, FFXVI, Hogwarts, Spider-Man, Warhammer Space Marine 2 are titles I've played with these settings and have no issues with.
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Yes good picks, how muchare you paying for the cpu, 9600x or 7900x might be better choices, for the gpu how much are 9060xt 8gb and 9060xt 16gb, for Nvidia gpu best pick is probably a 4070 or 5070, otherwise maybe pick up a higher end 30 series card in your area on Facebook that you can afford
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Thanks :)
7600 is about 160 and 9600x is around 200 eur. So about 40 eur increase. 9The 7900x (taht is ryzen9 right?) is already 300+ eur. I am thinking of sticking below 200 for this one.
the 9060XT 16GB is around 400 eur. The 4070 and 5070 are 500EUR+ and 600EUR+ respectively. higher end 30 series simply do not exist in my local used market :D Just bunch of 8GB Cards trying to sell it for a price of new one... Honestly the 9060XT 16GB for now seems the best choice
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Alright then the 7600 should be fine, and the 9060xt might not be the best choice here oddly enough, pick the 9060xt 16gb if you want a better value card with more vram or the 4070 if you want better raytracing and DLSS, or if you want to spend more money the 5070 UNLESS you can find the 9070xt in which case tell me how much that costs
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You think 9600 does not warrant the price difference?
And yes, thanks - 9060XT 16GB seems to be the best for the buck now. 4070 and 5070 (even though I would love those cards) are 500+ eur. 9060xt 16gb is around 400 and I might get it a bit cheaper. So even with not being as powerful, the price difference is quite big.
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I forgot to ask, whatis your budget, depending on your answer the 9600x is maybe not worth it, 7600 should be fine for now, how much is a 9070xt in your area?
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Ah, sorry - I misread your last comment and thought you asked about 9060xt. the 70 costs around 600-700 EUR.
the budget is flexible. I mean, I would like to try to keep it as cost effective as I can. As for 9600 - I am looking up to 200 eur for CPU, so if 9600 gives me better performance in production tasks, it might be worthwhile to go that route since I would like to keep the CPU for some time. But I will think about it still.
9070 is way too much for what I am expecting. I wanted to keep it around 300 for GPU, but seems like if I want to go for 16GB VRAM then I have to go for 400.
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yeah, if you want better performance in production tasks, go with a Ryzen 7, cpus like the 7600 and 9600x are Ryzen 5's and only have 6 cores and 12 threads, Ryzen 7's or maybe even Ryzen 9's have 8 and 12 cores respectively which will be much stronger in productivity,
as for the gpu, stick with the 9060xt 16gb
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Hey guys,
So after yeeeeears of sticking with my old ass AM3 socket and DDR3 Ram, I have decided to switch to a newer system. Some time ago I had a thread asking for help with setting up new RAM modules for the system (wanted to upgrade from 8 gb to 16), but to no aveil. Never got the RAM to work and now my GPU is dying as well (maybe just thermal paste needs to be changed, but still).
So, my luck struck and got a new decent case, 750w modular ADATA PSU and even a CPU liquid cooler for next to nothing saving me bunch of money. So I am looking at putting together AM5 and DDR5 platform for gaming and work (video and photo editing, some 3D modelling, but this is not primary).
My head is currently at b650 MSI Tomahawk mobo and Ryzen 5 7600 CPU. For RAM I want to go 32 GB, and from what I understand CL30, 6000 MHz is a good spot for the Ryzen. I would be happy to hear thoughts/experience on these parts and feel free to correct me if this is horrible combo.
The big question though comes at GPU... For years I had 750ti, I upgraded it to 1070 (which is now dying) and for work purposes (and some off the clock gaming I had 3070 when that cost arm and a leg). But apart from that there are so many cards, so many generations and so many aspects to choose from I literally have no idea which way to actually go.
For now I was looking at RTX 5060, thinking that it could be a pretty good for budget build since I dont play enourmously powerful titles and rarely get the newest thing. Either way its an upgrade, but it only has 8 GB VRAM which I keep on hearing is something to consider as being too little for 2025. I was seeing suggestions for AMD cards as well, but I have never had those so I am not sure which models to even look at. And then there is the Intel ARC which has devided opinions (but bigger VRAM and great price)... So I hope you see my predicament.
I can be flexible on price, but I dont want to cough up the same amount for GPU that I have for my entire build...
So for prices and options:
3060 - 12 GB Vram, starts from 250 eur
5060 - 8 GB VRAM, around 300 EUR
5060ti - 8 GB VRAM, around 350, 16GB VRAM already 400 EUR
3070 - also 8 GB VRAM but nearing 400 EUR
And from what I can see most 12-16GB VRAM cards from nvidia go up in price.. But for new it feels I want to keep it around 350EUR
From AMD locally I have:
RX 7600 XT - 16GB VRAM, around 320 EUR (non XT with 8GB VRAM around 220)
RX7700 - 12 GB VRAM, around 330 eur
Intel:
Intel Arc A770 with 16 GB VRAM around 280 eur
Can anyone share their experiences with similar builds, price ranges and suggestions? Should I even go for the nvidia for budget level? Is there any point in concentrating on the Ray Tracing aspect if I get xx60 gen card? 7600XT price seems good deal from VRAM size, but is it good itself? Any other AMD cards kicking ass? And lastly - Intel....... Brilliant price, but how is it now? Anyone has experience with it? Is it good, how stable is it? How does it work with Ryzen? What are the benefits of going for 50xx series instead of 30xx series even if it has lower VRAM?
I would love to hear any opinions on this, first hand experiences or maybe someone has already done their homework for their own build. The more I read and hear the more I am not sure which to get :D Thanks a lot in advance.
I will check if I have anything cool in my library and maybe put up a giveaway as thanks. But I have to see what I have left over, but I will keep my fingers crossed.
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