Are you using the portable version or the old installer?
Portable version works fine for me.
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U tried go to C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\IdleMaster\ and delete IdleMaster folder, then re-start the program and relogin?
Still nothing
sorry, have no idea (ಠ_ಠ)
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What do you mean it's safer?I still use IdleMaster because I am too lazy to bother with anything else.
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its safer if you try to play VAC games at the same time as idling. but only in those regards to my knowledge.
in other words.. don't play games while farming & you'll be fine.
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While it's true that ASF has a support while Idle Master no longer does it's not true that ASF is "more safe". They're both safe.
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ASF is safer, especially once people realize that offline VAC scans also exist, as I found their trace in steam client.
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I've never heard of a case where someone got VAC banned for using Idle Master.
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Of course you didn't, you'll hear that when it's too late and people get banned in mass quantities due to program not being supported anymore and Valve not giving a fuck. Question is only when it happens, and if it happens at all. I'm not stupid enough to put my account at risk, neither ASF users that made a switch for that reason. If you like to put yourself at risk, you're free to do so - we have a freedom of choice. This is one of the reasons why ASF exists, to ensure my own security, whether other people want to follow or not is up to them, I'm only clarifying some "bullshit" like your one claiming that ASF is not "more safe", which is false.
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Does it make a difference if you've already used IM before though?
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I doubt that because currently IM seems to be OK according to VAC, but nobody knows when it changes, and if it changes at all. I'm not reverse-engineering VAC though, as I'm not a cheater in need to work around it, I'm barely doing some extra work analyzing stuff to ensure that ASF is safe.
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It only matters what you are using now. Or, more precisely, when Valve decides to actually look for anything they can ban people for. But I wouldn't expect it before the next season sale, when they can sell another few dozen thousand of CS:GO copies for all the VAC-banned kiddies.
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Scans made by Steam client discovering hooked DLLs to Steam client or SteamService.exe (background service you can find e.g. with process explorer). They're not documented, like entire VAC, but Steam network might ask Steam client to perform such scan on-demand, and in fixed intervals. I suspect they're being used as supplement to normal VAC game scans, but ArchiBoT received one offline request without even having any game launched, therefore I'm sure that the logic is not only connected with game scans, but offline periodic ones too. Assuming that is true (because once again, I don't have VAC documentation), if IM dll will be ever considered by VAC as malicious, either intentionally or accidentally, people can get VAC banned by running IM alone and not even playing anything at the same time.
That is only a pure theory though based on my knowledge and experience with Steam internals I've been analyzing while creating ArchiBoT and ASF. It's very likely to be true though, but as I repeat many times, we will discover that when it's already too late, that's why I'm bullet-proofing and not waiting for an armageddon.
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how does one get vac banned on games that dont have that system?
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You don't get VAC banned, you get community banned, trade banned, or you're having entire account terminated. Supplement VAC scans are in addition to normal ones, e.g. after you close the game, and they affect that game, but those are not only ones that are offline.
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ASF is more safe because it doesnt idle while playing.
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Not being able to idle while playing is a con for me. I used to idle with IdleMaster while playing games all the time and I didn't run into any issues for it.
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Well, its probably not likely, but its rumored it might cause VAC ban if you idle while playing on VAC protected servers. And I dont see any point in idle while playing. From what I know the drop time decreases to almost 0 when playing and idle at sime time.
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Takes longer to get cards while you're playing, yes. But not by an absurd amount. So if you're someone who spends a lot of time playing games being able to idle while playing is pretty nice.
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You have to pray to your favorite idlemaster more. For instance my favorite idlemaster is Chihaya but if you're working on the newer Cinderella branch, then I would pray to Ranko.
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Of course, cause its still the only "1 button" option =)
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not lazy, for me its too complicated and i had tried to run it before, and it didnt work so too bad i guess
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ASF gives you a tutorial where you read though your first configuration and fill out what it tells you to have your configuration for bot
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Or you can just enter username and password in the minimal config, since that's all it requires. Dunno how people manage to log into websites if that's too complicated already :)
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I'm not lazy, I just can't understand how Archi works. It's too compilated for me.
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dont get me wrong but all it requires to run ASF is the ability read and fill out where it tells you. if you have a problem understanding theres a detailed wiki about it and it doesnt require any commands to run
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i have 1 account and don't play vac-games, there's no reason for me to use asf
stop calling ppl "lazy"
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It's not about being lazy. Most people don't want something complicated that takes a lot of time to learn and use, otherwise we would just install all our steam games and just be afk in order to farm them.
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A lot of time being 5 minutes of reading the wiki, 3 minutes of using ConfigGenerator for putting steam login + password, and 2 minutes of checking if ASF is working?
Because this is everything that is required today.
OP wasted 3x more time reinstalling IM and writing this thread while trying to solve the issue.
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Don't get me wrong, I have never tried to use it. But there are some people that find it complicated so, since I'm not an expert in these things, I guess I would find it complicated too. So, if I have to spend time to learn a program, then this would be something I wouldn't like. You can't expect me to know anything about coding (or whatever it's called in English, I don't even know), just like I can't expect you to know anything about food technology (expect if you have studied about food technology too). I have checked the link you posted above in the past too and I know ASF isn't just 1 or 2 commands - it's about learning multiple commands and such.
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Most people don't want something complicated that takes a lot of time to learn and use
(...)
Don't get me wrong, I have never tried to use it
Yeah, I think we can finish right here.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
it's about learning multiple commands and such.
You can't even use commands with having only one primary account, so I'm wondering how it's a requirement to learn them, but I can't expect from you to know that, as you never ever attempted to see what ASF is. You could as well say that you didn't like that pink unicorn image that is popping up on every ASF start.
And then ASF users like two above are wondering "what the fuck is he even talking about" :3. People are funny.
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Sometimes, Archi, you can't test everything, so you have to settle with reading the reviews, just like movies and games. xD It's a good program, but I keep seeing that it has some multiple commands there (which, as you said above, are for alt accounts - or not?): https://github.com/JustArchi/ArchiSteamFarm/wiki/Commands
No matter how good it is, it can't beat an one-button program. And the weird thing is that, in the past, I remember people saying that ASF is good when you have 2 accounts, not when having one.
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Have you consider non English speaking users ? And the translation mistakes (google translate i mean for example)? =)
Just saying, cause as i see it, its a problem for a lot =))
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OP wasted 3x more time reinstalling IM and writing this thread while trying to solve the issue.
there i totally agree with you on though.. its not that complex, i finally went ahead and installed.. in this instance it would just be less hassle to use ASF.. though otherwise i still do not see why people get so pushy trying to push ASF over idlemaster tbh.. unless ofc we're talking about linux then ASF is the only one worth considering cause IM pythons outdated and doesnt know about the 2hour idlewindow.
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Good product doesn't need advertising. When people are using thing X, then they try thing Y, and see that Y > X in every single thing they consider worthy, it's normal thing to do that they're trying to convince others to give it a try. Same thing is happening with a good game, good movie, good book or a good service. I have literally no reason to convince people to use something better, because I'm not paid for that, I don't have any benefits from larger userbase, in fact it's even worse for me as I'll potentially need to spend more time for answering people with their questions. However, I also want to make people's life better, that's one of the reasons why you can find me here, as my brain can't understand how people are wasting time trying to deal with IM issues rather than spending 1/3 of that time switching to ASF and forgetting about all IM quirks once for good.
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fair point, and no i never seen you be pushy at all. i've just seen so many others get pretty creative and try and push it even by calling people dumb for not doing so.. and that is bad publicity imo...
totally agree though, if idlemaster gives any issues just switching is easier.
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unless ofc we're talking about linux then ASF is the only one worth considering cause IM pythons outdated and doesnt know about the 2hour idlewindow.
Actually it does. There's a little extra programm called Idlehelper included that idles all your game to the 2 hour mark in sets of 30.
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I didn't say it was. But before I set up ASF about a month ago I had to resort to an old notebook that ran XP for some time so I tried out every Idling program there is since neither the normal Idle Master nor ASF support XP and when I finally managed to get the Python Version running I noticed it has that feature as well. Sure ASF does is better since it can idle infinite games simultaniously but I assume most people who idle their games regularly normally have less than 30 unidled games on their restriced accounts so the difference is neglectable.
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The only other alternative was SAM which wasn't as bad as I expected neither but you have to do everything manually so Idle Master Typhon is definitly more convenient for people running XP. But now that my real PC is working again and I've gotten used to ASF I wouldn't want to miss all the extra features.
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yeah, wasn't considering sam since it would'nt be automated at all, i'd rather if had to even just let it idle 1game at a time for the 2hour mark + the 45-90min card dropping time then just the 1 at a time entirely with SAM, but technically anything to get them profitz! xD
edit: several typos corrected.
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hmm, you're right. i see that now.
i never bothered to actually look into it, just remembered the idlemaster itself didn't do that 2hr idle part last time i tried. though in those regards on linux side ASF is actually easier to setup then the python version. but in windows regards idlemaster portable zip is easiest to initially setup.
update: actually after a deeper look that is only a good example for windows xp idlemaster python.. doesnt look like he actually wrote the equivalent for linux side.
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i have it fully setup, but see no reason why ppl should push others into a more complex setup with a vague "its safer" descriptions either. they both accomplish the same end-goal.
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In a way yeah, agree.
But on the other hand lazy moves progress =))
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They do, lazyness is the reason why ASF exists. I've created it for myself long before IM even got discontinued. People keep forgetting about that.
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I really think that IM and ASF are pretty different programs. I do understand that you know better, but personally i wouldnt compare them =)
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I was going to give you a virtual cookie for having the same opinion as me on the matter, but I'm too lazy. :D
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Remembered a really old Ukrainian joke or as we call it anekdote
Three cats sit down talking to decide whose the laziest
First one said : yesterday my masted gave me some fine milk, but i was to lazy to get to the bowl to drink it
The second one said : Pff, my master yesterday brought me a great peace of ham, and put it right in front of my mouth, i was to lazy to open it and eat.
The third one asked : Did you guys heard me screaming and yelling yesterday night ? So i lied down on my balls and was to lazy to get up =)))
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At 1st i tried to use both IM and ASF and in beginning neither of them seem to be working cos with IM i tried install it and it doesn't work so i went with Portable and that didn't even work. So i tried your program it was too complicated and didn't end up working for me either and was about to give on either of them.
Until someone find a solution on how to make IM work. Since most them were made how to use it by Chome which i don't use and i use Firefox. And then it finally worked for me the IM so i stick to that for now.
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I use both IM and ASF. When I know I'm not going to play anything while idling I use ASF but say, if I want to play another steam game while idling (without regards to the increase in idling time of course), I use IM simply because ASF wont let me.
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i was using it until a month ago, thats when i asked u few stuff about it on your discussion.
even thought i cant idle while playing its not a big deal considering any alt i make well pay for its own cost via card drops
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use portable version, delete everything when it stops working.
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Nope, idlemaster works fine for me. :O Maybe you messed something with the settings? :/
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Download any of their games with the cards and get personally, it helped me.
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As I understand: I should download any game that has cards play a little, get card or two, then use Idle again? I will try that one.
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I'm exctracting files to idlemaster directory. Not litteraly installation, true. Still not working anyway.
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It's not complex at all if all you want is just farming cards on 1 account. People just love to throw their hands in the air and complain that 4th year university course on math is complex when asked what's 1+1. :D
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well yes and no, it is a hair more complex then idlemasters retardedly simple setup, but not difficult at all.
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Edit minimal.json, enabled to true and your username and password, rename to something if you want and then put that in config dir.
Anything fitting on one short line can't be complicated unless it's perl. :)
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following those steps just broke my ASF. you simplified it way too much and missed a step or something..
"no bots are running, exiting"
edit: i already fixed it, but the minimalist setup is not quite just that cut and dry. and even if it were it still is not as simple as IM. again though, it is not difficult but still slightly more complex.
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Only missing step seems to be that you need to rename it to something else, it's not optional. Also username and password in "quotes".
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yes, thats it exactly. it took me a lil while to fig out the quotes. had to look at my older json xD
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Wow, I managed to do that right from the start even before I had morning coffee. Usually it would've just ended in copying the minimal to all my current ones. :D
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I had that exact same problem but resolved it by going to the steam website in your browser, changed language to anything and then back to the one you want. perhaps this will work for you
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you must create a Steam ID personalized kind http://steamcommunity.com/id/"NAME "
Steam -> Profile -> Profile then edit URL in perso
sorry very bad English
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Lately, Idle Master is not working for me: it tries to find my badges to idle, but without success. It's almost week now, I can't idle cards. I tried to uninstall it and install again - same story all the time... Are you having same problems, Steamgifters? Is there someone who can help me out?
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