Thanks I almost forgot about it and next one is Thimbleweed Park, pretty nice!
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"This appears to be a new device, browser or location. A security code has been sent to your email address..."
And no code an be found in my email, not even in junk email.
GG Epic
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Considering that this stuff happens with almost every site or client that sends automated emails, I dont find bashing Epic for this specific situation validated..
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I've had maybe one other instance of these earlier, so, not very common in my experience.
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I Put Claim the Free Game, but the EPIC Store plataform freeze out.
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Doubt it. Epic doesn't want to compete legitimately so, they most likely have a deal where the developers can't give the game away for free on other platforms for some time at least.
Easier to throw money to strongarm people into using your sub-par service rather than to actually make a good service.
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Ah damn, I missed an important detail, "Steam keys shouldn't be given away for free if you aren't also offering the same deal (i.e., give the game away for free) to Steam customers.". So yeah, thin chance.
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This game never even had a decent Steam sale. This is Epic's bribe money talking.
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How terrible to get free a game that's artificially inflated in price.
Maybe we'll also get a CoD and wave angrily about getting 7 year old games that are still like 15 bucks on sale on Steam?
I can understand the other complaints but being pissed a game is being given away... nope.
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The point is not that the game is being given away.
It's that it's been given away on a new store, even though the app you need to download and use is both crap, and in most cases will not even accept your login details.
When there are three or four other clients that could have offered this giveaway, it had to be the one that doesn't even work.
Now the complaint about it not having been given away (on Steam, or any other working client) is put into context.
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Nah, people here bitch even if it's drm free
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/SELuq/ended-outcast-second-contact-free-drm-free
Same happens on indiegala's giveaways.
The "omg, they are evil for giving away games!" is a new one sure.
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Yeah.
People who have no legitimate reasons to complain still need to bitch about something.
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What's counts as legitimate?
Do extremely fishy business relationships to a giant dictatorship count as legitimate? Okay.
I'll take it then that also a transaction fee being applied to a consumer isn't legitimate. Fair enough.
Of course, denying some legitimate refunds even in the EU is not legitimate, because that's just EU legislation. Got it.
Yeah, security leaks... yeah complaining about that's for chumps.
Not improving your website to even be on par with their biggest competitor that still uses decade old designs... that's stupid to complain about and it's just illegitimate.
I guess community features are also for just, let's be honest, just utter retards who just can't find real friends. Though, let's ignore that we're in a site's community feature... irony isn't our strong suit here.
Of course, just buying loyalty instead of earning it is fine. It's fine to advertise your game on a site and then doing a bait n' switch for those that were interested in your game is also just stupid.
As long as free games shiny things are being given away, it's all good. Of course, let us ignore that Steam and other 3rd party sites do those things constantly. And let's ignore why these giveaways are actually made and instead call illegal activities, pure incompetence, strong-arming customers, sneaking in extra fees, having shady business relations and lacking basic functionality as "something to bitch about".
As if I'm here saying "Uhhhhhhhhh, Beckyyyyyyy. Went to the Epic Store today, rigggggghhttttt???? And I was like "Ohhhhh my gooooooooooooooooood , I realllly want that gameeeeeeeeeeeee", so I went to buy it and saw that I'd have to pay $65 for a $60 gaymmmm because of a transaction feeeee that I didn't know about, so I went to another store and didn't see it there, so now I have to pay $65... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD I can't buy my 14th yacht thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... Beckkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I can't evennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..."
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My use of Legitimate -> Something that actually affects you, where you are a stakeholder.
Complaining that someone else got something for free that you don't or that you got something for free just not in the form you'd prefer isn't an acceptable reason to complain. "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" and all that.
I'll address your strawman in a bit if you can scroll down.
Of course, let us ignore that Steam and other 3rd party sites do those things constantly.
No one but you is doing that. I'm not singling out a platform I don't like and complaining about getting a free game there.
And let's ignore why these giveaways are actually made
You seem to be the one ignorant, ascribing malice to simple business transactions and common techniques to encourage incorporating a new supplier to penetrate the market. The reason why doesn't affect the free product especially when it's as banal as getting people to try their platform.
We can go through your complaints now, hopefully, we can institute the concept of nuance into your rant:
- Do extremely fishy business relationships to a giant dictatorship count as legitimate -> Depends on how transparent the company is. Your conspiracy theories aside, if there's a there-there you can avoid the company, or ask them to be transparent about what that relationship constitutes, or ask them to sever that connection. It's the age of outrage culture strong-arming companies, so you can try that.
- A transaction fee being applied to a consumer-> Legitimate complaint when it is not clear ahead of time or should be clearer. Consumers having to pay fees is not something to complain about, after all, taxes and bank fees exist and you are not exempt because you didn't read up on them.
- denying some refunds -> Legitimate issue to be brought up with the appropriate authority and with the site itself. Refunds should be laxer for Steam as well. (Do google strawman argument)
- Security leaks -> Legitimate for anyone whose info is on the site
- Not improving your website to even be on par with their biggest competitor that still uses decade-old designs-> Legitimate complaint with the service, complain to them, but you shouldn't expect a service to launch at the same level of a company that has had decades to develop their product.
- incompetence-> When it affects you personally, not the company, sure
- strong-arming customers -> Don't be a drama queen, it's a videogame company you can't be strong-armed by a good you can easily ignore.
1bis. having shady business relation-> a reason to avoid a company, see previous assessment
2bis. sneaking in extra fees -> That's a legitimate concern assuming it was happening, see response above
5bis. lacking basic functionality-> yeah, bitch to Epic in hopes it gets improved. Also legitimate - Free game on Epic -> Not a legitimate reason to bitch to either the dev or epic; whining to us is futile.
That dramatization is quite close to how you sound when you complain that a free game was given in a platform that isn't Steam, you shouldn't be such a fanboy and raise your complaints when and where appropriate...
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No one but you is doing that. I'm not singling out a platform I don't like and complaining about getting a free game there.
Fair. I was a bit quick to assume. My bad.
My use of Legitimate -> Something that actually affects you, where you are a stakeholder.
I mean... okay? But that's not what the word means. A legitimate complaint will be legitimate regardless of whether you own the company or not. Whether I own stocks or whatever. It's like saying that the Equifax leak's victims can't complain now because they have no stakes in the company? I must be understanding your meaning of stakeholder wrong here because a stakeholder in any context would mean someone who has a stake in something. Usually a stock or an investment. Now, if it's a more general term, then your whole point loses the reason to exist because you're basically then saying "You can complain if you are affected by something." in which case almost anyone can complain, so reiterating a basic point isn't serving much here. Either this statement was made to just obfuscate the conversation or it is a ridiculous notion that is essentially advocating for completely destroying any semblance of consumer advocacy.
You seem to be the one ignorant, ascribing malice to simple business transactions and common techniques to encourage incorporating a new supplier to penetrate the market. The reason why doesn't affect the free product especially when it's as banal as getting people to try their platform.
Pointing out why a giveaway is actually made is a legitimate thing. I'm trying to say that this isn't made just so they can make all the little boys and girls happy because they're such little angels in the eyes of the company. It's a power-move. But it just shows that you're also making strawmen. I never said giveaways are completely evil. I just said that this isn't just a pure gesture of goodwill, like many people are thinking it is. Like with any giveaway, there are strings attached. Goodwill, advertising, boosting numbers and so on. All can be reasons for it. But yeah, ironic. I'm ignorant and yadda-yadda.
Depends on how transparent the company is. Your conspiracy theories aside, if there's a there-there you can avoid the company, or ask them to be transparent about what that relationship constitutes, or ask them to sever that connection. It's the age of outrage culture strong-arming companies, so you can try that.
It's China. Mind you, it's not like you're wrong here. Technically, you should prove every possible accusation and so on. But this really isn't a court. I did think that you had any clue about China and the way it handles things like business. I didn't think that I'd have to lay out 70 years of history with hundreds of examples. This is an assumption. With things like this it'll always be a "he said, she said". With things like this, you might catch a single instance and think it proves anything. Even if you find one case of them selling data, they can easily say that it was a mistake and that it never happens. Like with Google technically not listening to what you say, even though there are multiple examples, they'll say it's a fluke. A one off. And they can technically be right. If you think that suddenly for this one single company, China's gonna change its tune, then so be it. That's your choice. You're probably aware what they do and you probably even know maybe 1 out of the hundreds of scandals around it. But nah, Epic's special.
Legitimate complaint when it is not clear ahead of time or should be clearer. Consumers having to pay fees is not something to complain about, after all, taxes and bank fees exist and you are not exempt because you didn't read up on them.
Huh... We're going the "But it's legal" route, huh? Where it's technically legal and technically your responsibility? Well, fuck. Again, technically you're correct. Of course I have to keep an eye on it. But I'm saying that it's fucking terrible for the customer. This is on the level of G2A. But fair enough. We can go that route. As long as it's legal it's all okay. I'm down for that reasoning. When Valve/Steam take every single one of your games away, I hope you never complain and be neutral because after all, you don't own your games on Steam. So, I'm down, you want to set these rules, I'm down for it.
Legitimate issue to be brought up with the appropriate authority and with the site itself. Refunds should be laxer for Steam as well. (Do google strawman argument)
Ironic. Like, extremely ironic. You have 2 cases of irony in 3 sentences. It's masterclass level here, really. First you use strawman arguments. Then you tell me to learn what a strawman is right after using a strawman. Really, a class act, my dude. I never made an argument that you think that the refund system's fine. I just mentioned a bunch of complaints about Epic that you seem to think are just "bitching". That's not a strawman. I do things like this for a living. I know when I'm using demagogic tactics. (And I do use them. This is a discussion. Demagogic tactics play a huge role in every discussion.)
Legitimate complaint with the service, complain to them, but you shouldn't expect a service to launch at the same level of a company that has had decades to develop their product.
I would complain if their support worked. :D
Terrible joke aside, Steam's not very evolved. It's 2005 functionality here. Programming students create things like these as small school projects. Steam's way behind with everything. Epic's in the 90s with its functionality. It's easy for them to pass Steam, but they choose not to.
Don't be a drama queen, it's a videogame company you can't be strong-armed by a good you can easily ignore.
Ah yes, the classic "Video games are entertainment, so anything it does doesn't matter because you can ignore it." argument. Love this one, considering how lax people are with using it while not following it. You can ignore anything. Life's a series of choices. People think that because something's non-essential that then any criticism is unwarranted and inherently invalid because it's avoidable. Everything's avoidable if you're cynical enough. Hope you never complained about a restaurant, movie, game, food, a drink, toilet paper, a place, a country, a human being and so on. Because all of those things are non-essential. A dude is calling you an asshole? Well, you could say how he's a cunt for being like that. But nah, your argument's invalid because you can avoid him. You're not obligated to be near him and he's non-essential to you. Went to the restaurant and complained about the high prices and bad service? Well, you're not obligated to eat at a restaurant, so close your mouth since you look like a trout. And so on and so forth. If you're into games and you've been marketed to, then pulling things away from you and using your desire to manipulate you into using something you didn't choose voluntarily is strong-arming.
Not a legitimate reason to bitch to either the dev or epic; whining to us is futile.
Yet you respond. Everything's pretty futile. But you see, I'm not alone on this planet. This anti-consumer bullshit isn't just a thing I alone complain about. Bringing this topic up isn't futile. You're not the only one here. You're just the one to get a notification. No need to stroke your ego with thinking you're the ultimate person I care about here. You're just a spot in the end.
Mind you, I don't think that way actually. But with your cold attitude, I might as well. I was really looking for a conversation while trying to remind people that Epic's got a lot of worrying issues and that supporting them will set a precedent.
But I guess it's whining. I guess it's futile. Funny how you think it's futile and yet you respond though. I guess you really hate yourself or something if you're wasting time on this then. But I'll take your advice to heart. Keep that in mind. I won't disagree or agree. It's futile. It's dumb. It's whatever. Thanks for the conversation regardless. Sad to see how you're so jaded by these situations that you just don't think you have really any value in this thread.
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Well, considering that my data will be sold (or even given) to the Chinese, my information will be leaked by security flaws and I'll be relentlessly marketed to for that game.
This isn't a free game. Don't be naive.
It's easy to be a person who takes the stance of "It's free, and it's wonderful! Epic's giving us this bountiful gift with no strings attached!" or even being the shill who masks themselves behind a wall of disingenuous skepticism of "Things aren't free in this world, but I'd rather take this amazing indie game in exchange for my info! All the sites do it already, so what do I care if it's given to someone else", which is clever since you do have skepticism, yet you also can be ignorant enough that you don't have to see the actual real issues behind these hacks.
This is a site that is so meared with fecal matter, that it's outrageous.
I know you're an avid supporter of the site for whatever reason (I'd guess it's because of the 88/12 cut, since that and a few free games are the only good things they've done. But a few free games can only enchant a person who doesn't know of Steam, which also gives away games and also has so many 3rd party giveaways for the same service for just as great games as often or even more often), but the fact here is that Epic's not on your side.
They have money, yet they don't improve their customer service which is even worse than Valve's. They make you pay a transaction fee for buying games, so you can easily spend around 10% more on a new AAA release just for the privilege of owning it on a husk of a service. They also don't allow you to cloud save, chat with people, play offline, give you controller support, give you a community section for forums and so on, with no reviews for games, no achievements and worst of all, there's a good chance you don't even get a refund when you're in line with the requirements, essentially just waiting for a lawsuit from a diligent user from the EU, who has the balls to basically go against the Chinese government.
But right, you'll say "I don't care for these things because I'm not so basic and I just care for the games". Well, to that I'll say Epic doesn't care for you and it's evident. If you can't spend a bit of your millions to make your site better for no real profit, but still can pay millions for exclusivity deals instead of making your site palatable and attractive to developers and go into this financial fight in a fair manner, then I personally think the company isn't worth supporting.
If you really think that protesting against Epic Launcher is me complaining about free games, then there's no reason to even answer. Keep on doing what you're doing. Keep being ignorant. I like free games. Everyone does. But just because it's free, doesn't mean I'll become an apologist for everything terrible this frankly disgustingly half-illegal games company is doing. It's funny how people like you complained when Gearbox started working with G2A for Bulletstorm's release. Not even an exclusivity deal. Instead just a relationship. People flipped their shit. Now when very similar things are happening, people just put on blinders, yell "Free game! YAY!" and completely ignore how you're being treated like dogshit.
Good luck with trying to get a really clever quip that ignores all of this while also saying that Steam's just as bad without actually thinking why that argument would be completely terrible because you'd be comparing a trashheap on fire to a purposeful arson of a giant forest.
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You might want to take a chill-pill. Also like Valve wont sell data as capitalist US company, lol. You seem pretty set on thinking Epic and the Chinese state are one and the same for some reason.
Also, wait... a free Epic game is one signed in your blood but those for Steam are 100% fine, no questions asked. Seeems a bit double standard to me.
Why I welcome competition is somebody needs to give Steam a kick in the arse and get in gear. Valve itself certainly wont out of their own. Every major player already left Valve knowing they could do very well without them. Then do stupid shit like 76 or BF5 but that's another story.
It's funny that "they got money yet don't improve support" is a PRO-Valve argument. Dafaq. Valve support has been a joke for 15 years, Steams solution is make tickets an absolute headache, Gabe swims in money... and Epic got the support issue?
It's so funny to me your entire argument is "just use some of your billions to improve the service" when that literally has been MY issue with Steam all along. Yet fuck using that money to improve, here's another algorithm instead!
(It also goes back to "publisher! Satan!" of the last topic. Somehoe publishers decidicing to use Valve drm on their disk was publishers, but Epic? It's them being the devil. And we see the same here. A free giveaway on Steam? Oh it's the publishers. Epic? Evil bribe money! Just funny how that works. I look forward what evil bribe money gets us on chrono.gg today myself though)
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Also like Valve wont sell data as capitalist US company, lol.
Okay, who is it? Who's selling? Is there anyone pressuring them? This has never been proven. Mind you, they collect your data and they use Google Analytics, but you can opt out of that and there are even ways to hardlock it out of your data.
So who is it? Who are they selling it to and so on? I'd love to know. Epic's backed by Tencent, who's infamous for doing what I described and there's more than enough proof. Good example being WeChat. If a company owns almost a half of you, then they have a say. Also, their TnC also supports that point.
You seem pretty set on thinking Epic and the Chinese state are one and the same for some reason.
If that's your takeaway, then you didn't read my comment. Tencent and the Chinese government are very heavily tied and it's no secret. This is as public as a porn star's tits. Tencent is heavily tied to Epic. Also, no hiding there. Extremely public. Just because I say this obvious truth, doesn't mean that I'm eluding to anything else. I'm saying that it's extremely fishy and that considering the powers at play, this isn't just a kiddy pool like it is with the US or the EU. You have to be very unaware of the Chinese government and how it "works" with its companies if you think that this is anything less than worrisome.
Also, wait... a free Epic game is one signed in your blood but those for Steam are 100% fine, no questions asked. Seeems a bit double standard to me.
Yes, if there is as much controversy behind all of it compared to Steam. Then yes, yes it really is. Yes, a company that has one of the scariest world superpowers keeping an eye out, a company with everything that I mentioned. Yes, it's different. It's not a double standard here.
Steam will get flak from me if they do something. You'll see that on many threads that are related to Steam. I'm no Steam fan. I appreciate them for being the reason this site exists and that I can talk to people like you who genuinely support a side and have respect towards others. I respect the fact that they got me off of piracy and got me to meet people that I'd consider my close friends today. Steam's done those things, sure. But that will not make me blind to Steam on anything. In fact, it'll make me actually give more of a shit because I don't want Steam to turn into a total wasteland. It has a massive curation problem, it had some censorship issues in the past, it has a terrible client and their support is a vacuum of competence. It's awful. Valve as a company is also a group of elitist fuckwads who are so out of touch with everything they do and the sole reason they're alive is Steam. As game developers, they've grown such a hubris that they're probably too fancy to even eat a vegetable because it's not minted with gold.
But yeah, here I am. I can actually talk about multiple things and not be on one side or the other. If you think that that's the only way, then you're in that boat. The boat where you have to pick a side. Which shows that you're not actually ready for a conversation like this. You're not ready for reality here. Taking sides over corporate entities is the dumbest thing you can do and it's basically just a great way of saying "I have a side and I won't listen to the other". But yeah, if your argument will keep being "Well, what about Steam?", then your argument is broken. Just because a company does bad things in your mind, doesn't mean your side is fine for doing the same thing. Even though they don't do the same things. Not in this department anyways.
Why I welcome competition is somebody needs to give Steam a kick in the arse and get in gear. Valve itself certainly wont out of their own. Every major player already left Valve knowing they could do very well without them. Then do stupid shit like 76 or BF5 but that's another story.
I do too. There's a reason why I was being excited when Epic Games launched their store. Look into those threads and you'll see me there. I even remember writing those comments. But this isn't competition. Competition entails giving better rates to developers, lowering your prices, upping your security and so on. But what Epic is doing is buying up the competition. And that's not a fair competition. Not in any way. This is going the classic console and ISP route. Where someone with a lot of money is offering a terrible service, but the reason why people pick them still is because they're the only real choice. There's a reason why Itch.io isn't a good competitor. They have nothing to offer. But if itch.io was one of the main options while another competitor had actually good games, then do you think that choice is fair? Mind you, if developers choose them of their own freewill, without monetary coercion, then I'm fine with that. Right now, the fact is that if Epic had just lured them through their merit, there would be not a single exclusive out there because it's a financially retarded move. Even with Epic's great cut, developers are losing out on almost 100% of the customer base. Epic has to actually attract a customer base. The most obvious answer for that is to offer a better product. Nothing ruins good will more than forcing a user to their service. See Origin and UPlay for that. Also, see GOG for that with Thronebreaker and see how that worked out.
This is 100% anti-consumer behaviour. Restricting access to products on purpose for monetary gain is exactly that.
If they improve and pull themselves together, throw the weight of Tencent off their backs and improve what they're doing, I'll not talk shit about them. I want issues to be fixed. I don't care who has those issues since issues are issues at the end of the day. Whether they're issues from Steam, Origin, GOG, D2D or whatever else.
It's funny that "they got money yet don't improve support" is a PRO-Valve argument. Dafaq. Valve support has been a joke for 15 years, Steams solution is make tickets an absolute headache, Gabe swims in money... and Epic got the support issue?
It's not. It was not. You know it isn't. Stop pretending it is. Steam's got dogshit support. But yeah, it's worse than Steam's. Getting an F- compared to an F means that one grade is higher in the end. Valve's an F. No question about it. But an F- requires even worse performance and at this point, it's evident that Epic's not good enough.
Steam's not spending their millions to improve their site. Agreed. Never claimed otherwise. This just shows your partisan politics more than anything else. If you have to cry for Valve each time then you have a shit argument. You're here agreeing that Epic has that issue because it's not like you'd dispute it in anyway and you just push the blame to Valve because "Steam bad". You don't care that Epic's shit. Epic could murder 11 babies and be fine in your eyes because Valve pushed a dog over. You don't care for this issue in the slightest, you're currently just interested in being a contrarian. Which is fine. I like doing that too. But we both know that our arguments aren't meant to persuade or to have a productive conversation. It's just there to not lose the argument. I've already talked enough shit about Valve and Steam on a conversation about Epic. Steam and Valve will inevitably come up in a conversation like this as rivals, but you're just using them as a crutch to ignore Epic. From now on, I'll just ignore everything you claim if it's veiled as "But Valve...".
It's so funny to me your entire argument is "just use some of your billions to improve the service" when that literally has been MY issue with Steam all along. Yet fuck using that money to improve, here's another algorithm instead!
Ironic. Also, ignored.
(It also goes back to "publisher! Satan!" of the last topic. Somehoe publishers decidicing to use Valve drm on their disk was publishers, but Epic? It's them being the devil. And we see the same here. A free giveaway on Steam? Oh it's the publishers. Epic? Evil bribe money! Just funny how that works. I look forward what evil bribe money gets us on chrono.gg today myself though)
Ah, we're ignoring points again and building strawmen. Nice. Just as a reminder before ignoring it all. Chrono, Humble, IG and so on aren't affiliated with Valve. The problem raised wasn't because of free games. You know that. It's been explained in the previous comment and in another response to you. You're aware of it. You purposefully ignore it. Ignored due to going for a "But Steam.." way out of criticism.
You might want to take a chill-pill.
I'm calm. There's no emotion related to this argument. At best it's the thrill of the debate that gets me a bit riled. It's always fun to talk to different people, to argue, to agree and so on. I find that awesome. If any point feels like I'm frustrated, angry or whatever else, I hope you don't think that's me actually being angry. Text might make it seem that way, but trust me, for me, few arguments can make me emotional. I'm glad you're down to talk to me and I have respect for that.
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The chill-pill comment was mostly aimed at the seemingly rampant paranoia, mirroring what I would qualify thinfoil-hat theories. When Valve uses algorithms to check my owned games and play games to make a digital profile of me to support what I would buy, and Epic just owns my email-adress and nationality. Yeah, they are not really my top privacy concern.
Also I don't really see the Chinese Government to be the giant big baddie you see them as, I'm far more concerned about the USA myself.
https://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/
Wherever we talk about Personal Data below, we mean any information that can either itself identify you as an individual ("Personally Identifying Information") or that can be connected to you indirectly by linking it to Personally Identifying Information. Valve also processes anonymous data, aggregated or not, to analyze and produce statistics related to the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of customers as a group or as individuals. Such anonymous data does not allow the identification of the customers to which it relates. Valve may share anonymous data, aggregated or not, with third parties.
Shouldn't the fact we don't know Valve's partners concern you more than that we actually DO know Epic's?
And let us not forget the whole Facebook debacle not too long ago. We're fooling ourselves thinking they are the only company that acts like that.
Most of the "controversy" around Epic is just people hating it for not being Steam. Apparently free giveaways being "evil bribes". Poaching games to be exclusive on their platform. No reviews. No forums (the one thing I agree with is bad). I think you're the first person I see that takes offense with them for the Chinese thing. I'm sure the Chinese government is planning world domination through Fortnite. People complain the client being bare-bones, and they are right... but that also means there's not a whole lot of privacy-related info that they can pass off. You'd think if they were out to steal your info they set up profiles so they can have your data there, your friendlist and all the actual stuff that IS valuable, none that they have now.
I can 100% with your assessement of Valve. Also I'm not on the "side" of Epic. Heck, all I got from them is their freebies. I don't have any reason so far to purchase anything from them, and it's very unlikely that'll change soon being I'm a majorly bundle-buyer. That however doesn't mean I just smack-talk them left and right like most seem to do, and the hate-talk gets rather tiresome that even in a giveaway topic we need to address that "Epic's bad man" or "It's an evil Epic bribe!" The negativity is tiresome to me.
I hate EA as the next guy but if they do a GA on Origin I'll snatch it and be thankful, plenty of valid other topics to hate on them for valid reasons.
I'll try to remain partial at all times, though maybe my dislike for Valve's stagnation and pushing issues off onto algorithms instead of actual fixes makes me fail on that, it's never the intention to do so.
"But this isn't competition. Competition entails giving better rates to developers, lowering your prices, upping your security and so on."
The long-lasting never ending feud between X-box and Playstation says otherwise.
And although I don't really want console-situations on the PC, we don't have to deal with paid internet services or having to buy another 500 euro for another console, just the harddisk space for another client.
We'll have to wait till METRO Exodus release to see if people are being loud and obnoxious but those are the minority and they succeed cause people in reality give no damn about their store, but about the actual game... or fail and solidify Steam's monopoly and give their stagnation validity.
"But what Epic is doing is buying up the competition."
Did you hear how many companies X-box bought last E3? And even more later on. I know, I'm a massive Obsidian fanboy so I dread the future of the company under MS rule, seeing they don't have a great track record with RPG's.
"Where someone with a lot of money is offering a terrible service, but the reason why people pick them still is because they're the only real choice."
Steam?
Anyway with Uplay, Origin, Bethesda and Blizzard this isn't really all that new, even if people use the "first-party vs third-party" excuse. We've been forced to use terrible launchers for quite some time now. Don't you miss the days of just disk-checks. And then online-checks became a thing and now this. I don't even know if I can still use my disk-copy of Mass Effect 1 seeing the registry site is dead and the DLC/patch need another online code of a dead site... :/
"Mind you, if developers choose them of their own freewill, without monetary coercion, then I'm fine with that."
This once again comes to 'what consitutes monetary benefits' from the other topic. People excuses Steam since it's DRM systems and updates and functionality saved publishers tons of money so they forced it upon us to save that money. But apparently that's a totally different thing than getting some funding. To me monetary benefit X and monetary benefit Y are similar monetary benefits so I'm not going to vilify one and glorify the other. But that happened. Just cause the benefit in one is one of saving expenses doesn't make it an entirely different thing... imo.
"The most obvious answer for that is to offer a better product."
In theory. But, honestly, in reality... when was this ever a thing? GOG offers a better service than Steam. Is it even a fraction as successful as it? No. Another example would be CoD with it's yearly not-much-changing incarnations or FIFA and Madden with even-less-changes. Micro-transactions. As much as I like this to be reality, the sad fact is that it's not.
"Nothing ruins good will more than forcing a user to their service. See Origin and UPlay for that."
Didn't seem to have harmed Steam much. And yes, I do remember the massive outrcy needing to install this piece of crap software to install Half-Life 2 nobody was happy with. Seems that's lost from collective memory now though.
The difference is Epic's F- is what, 3-4 months now? Steam's F is 15 years old, and their "improvements" are making it harder for users having to go through bots or the current support system where it's near impossible to create a ticket, hoping people just give up in desperation instead. I personally can give one the benefit of the doubt, while the other is definitely inexcusable especially seeing their income and rocketed userbase. If they are still shit after a year, then we're talking. If they take pro-active steps to make it WORSE for the users like Valve, then we're talking. I don't compare the 15 year old client the same as the brand new one. I don't expect them to be on-par right away. I do expect both to improve. So far one dissapoints me and the other one is too young to pass judgement on, YET.
Also it's very clear Steam makes billions of Steam so I expect them to invest in it. I'm not even sure Epic's store even makes them a profit, just Fortnite does. So I'm not really, myself, get the feel they need to invest as much in it since the income/expendature would be way off then. It's why I would in general be more lax on many of the other clients as well.
Out of all these guys Valve is the only one who just retired, stopped making games and live solely on their storefront. I don't see EA, CD Project Red, Bethesda, Epic, Ubisoft and ActivisionBlizzard doing the same. They couldn't survive.
"If you have to cry for Valve each time then you have a shit argument. You're here agreeing that Epic has that issue because it's not like you'd dispute it in anyway and you just push the blame to Valve because "Steam bad". You don't care that Epic's shit."
I DARE you to point a single instance of me doing that anywhere... ever.
And I wont deny Epic's isn't great but it's also new, and I don't see how it's apparently this big affront to humanity that the internet deemed to seemingly have killed a school full of younglings or something that even them giving away great games has to be seen through the lense of "giant evil!"
Oh, look, with Thumbleweed Park next up they gave away 3 wishlisted games to me. Of course I'm not going to complain about that. Why would I. Why would any sane person? Yet here we are where we need to question getting great games... for free.
I ask... aren't we going a bit too far? What the hell are we doing?
"Chrono, Humble, IG and so on aren't affiliated with Valve."
Why did you think I pick them, rather than Origin, Uplay. While those clearly give away their own games Humble and the kind pay developers money to give away their games. Like Epic here. Yet we don't see "EVIL BRIBE!" from there. Why's that I ask you.
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This isn't a free game. Don't be naive.
but the fact here is that Epic's not on your side.
And you think this is somehow not the case on Steam? You think a game on Steam is really free? No, there's always the intention to get even more of your money. Valve is not on your side either. They are on their own side, and no one else's. Every promotion is just that - a promotion. With the intention to bind you to their service and get you to buy their stuff. If you want to tell me free games on Epic are not free - well, then my argument is that this is true for every free game you get from any company on the internet. It's a promotion, a trade-off. And that's quite alright, if you ask me, as long as you are aware.
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I don't think that Steam games are given without strings. You and me have actually talked about the same issue where I said that free giveaways aren't actually free and that they have strings attached. I also never said that Steam giveaways didn't have strings. I said that they also make giveaways. That what Epic is doing isn't some crazy unseen generosity and praising them for making an ad isn't this amazing thing in my eyes.
I agree. People have to be aware of what they're getting themselves into. It's just that a lot of people don't know all that currently surrounds Epic. Mind you, if those issues weren't there, I'd also be down for those giveaways. It's just that I think their service is anti-consumer, possibly illegal in some departments/aspects and just overall lesser to Steam. And Steam's already in a bad state.
But it of course comes down to opinions in the end. Whether you think it's worth it or not and whether you think that what Epic does is fine or not.
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Claimed my freebie from the Portugese store no problemo! It was odd why I was prompted to translate..
Played through it on the PS4. Such great fun!
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How does it work? I suppose it's not on steam, right?
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Why can't we get it directly from the store this time ? I got an infinite load on the store, anyone else ?
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https://twitter.com/AxiomVerge/status/1093616420385042432
For anyone missing Steam.xnb from the Epic store, please go to AV in your library, click the gear icon, Verify, then Update. I was thinking it being Epic and all, I shouldn't include valve's dlls and such, so I excluded all files with "Steam" in the name... oops.LOL
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epic-thanks epic for letting us epic+1 our epic-libraries with epic-games ^^™
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It's both sad and funny that three games so far that I've wanted should be given away on a client I can't even get to work.
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I was looking forward to this one, probably what will push me to finally give a chance to the epic client and not just keep adding the free games to my account.
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still not had any reason to install epic launcher on my 2nd pc which dont have anything important on and i use only spywares on it like facebook etc.
this game totally not for me, other games were very old ones too or games which had new version coming, kholat free on steam at the weekend was more interesting.
On other hand if it will be confirmed that developers gets money from epic for every claimed free copy then i would do it. But i think they get just fix money. I might be wrong.
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this game totally not for me, other games were very old ones too or games which had new version coming, kholat free on steam at the weekend was more interesting.
You might not like the free Epic games personally, and that's totally fine. But you have to admit that the value of their free titles way surpasses what Steam usually offers for free (I mean, of course it does; they need to promote their store). Axiom Verge, Edith Finch, Thimbleweed Park, Subnautica - all games that still have a lot of value. Games like Kholat cost only a few cents, thanks to having been in cheap bundles. And that's what you mostly get on Steam (except for the free weekends, but those are only free for 2 days).
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But it's a great one. One of the most memorable experiences I had in the last years. Great to see that so many more people will be able to enjoy it now. I hope they got a buckload of money for this promo and use it to make another game of this quality. :)
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You work for EPIC? You're beginning to sound like it.
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Are you one of the guys on the internet who will accuse everyone of being bought who has a different opinion than you?
I just think this is one of the best games of the last years, and I am happy that more people will get access to it now. What exactly is wrong with that?
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Oh, this isn't based on just one comment dude. And it wasn't an accusation, it was a dig at your hype over these (I will assume great games, I only own one of the games they have given away so far - haven't managed to get my EPIC account working without 2FA).
My dig at you was how naive you sound when you're hyping, and ignoring the way EPIC is going about making a presence. Something's just fishy. These have been games with meagre discounts up till now, being done for free.
I'm not even getting into that though, this argument has been done to death. We disagree, I get it. Whatever. Move on.
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Oh, I know exactly what this is based on. It's based on the fact that I am not completely opposed to the Epic Store, like you and so many others on the internet. That I make arguments for why it might actually be a good thing in the end. Even for why the exclusivity bullshit might be a necessary evil. This is based on the fact that you simply do not understand how someone can have this opinion on the matter. Well, if you read all my comments on Epic, you should know my reasoning very well. Just listen to my arguments and you'll know why I am not necessarily against Epic. But it seems you only see two options here - either I hate Epic as much as you, or "something must be fishy"! Well, the third option is that I simply have a different opinion.
Just to be clear. I don't hype anything. I am just expressing my love for this game, as I did with others before. For instance you should be able to find similar posts of me for free Twitch games, free Steam games and others (if the games were good). Does that mean I am bought by Valve and Twitch and every other company that offered a free game in the past? Of course not, that claim is simply ridiculous. You are simply wrong about this, sorry.
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Collected all games, but installed 0 games. Try hard epic :)
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I'm 5h in the game and love it!
I play it via Steamlink without any problems.
I only saw the epic launcher when I add the game to the libary. Added the game as a non-steam game and there is no problem with a poping up epic launcher or anything like that, that makes problems with origin- or uplaygames.
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Had no idea until now that the free games Epic had been putting on their store were also drm free and didn't need the launcher. I still don't see myself buying games from the store, but free games (wishlisted ones in this cases) that are also DRM free is just too good to pass up (even if it also means no achievements and such).
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Axiom Verge Free on EpicGames / Claim now keep forever
https://www.epicgames.com/store/pt-BR/product/axiom-verge/home
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