must look different in my browser or something, page I went to only had white on dark gray background, and some light orange highlights(also on the dark gray background)?
I've seen worse on optimum's homepage(white on very light teal). or that stupid white and pink thing geekologie tried to become awhile ago(hot-pink headings on a white background, ect and that crap seemed to be something that was getting pushed as good design awhile back, in both cases their old site was much better)
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because their price rises as shit. Until the homeloand security comes in...
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its like torrent but with online transactions....kinda
its supposed to be decentralized online cash kind of thing
"Its a decentralized currency with no government or institution controlling it, it can be used online with much more anonymity than anything else"(Still not of course but closer than paypal/creditcard)
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Anonymity in this case means wast amounts of bitcoins are traded by drug dealers/criminals and any bitcoin on open market now is likely to have been used as illegal payment. Plus, they are not that untraceable, you have exchanges monitored by quite a few of law enforcement organization trying to get a good way to trace them.
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yeah, but all those same things can be said of cash. the government can scan your wallet from a drone because of refids in the bill(don't believe me go through an airport with 10k in cash, see if you don't get pulled out of line and questioned about it) they just almost never bother to do so, all $ bills allegedly have trace amounts of cocaine on them ect. and despite credit card company's attempt to make it seem sketchy paying in cash is not something exclusive to criminals.
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It was originally a way around all of the payment providers refusing to work with certain sites. People could use various sites and "sort of" anonymously add funds for themselves, that could then be added to sites that accepted that sort of payment. Torrent sites, nzb ones, etc...
Unfortunately, they left the market open and it inflated in price so much that it is unusable for most people. When you see things like that double, triple, quadruple, etc..., you start to realize that it really isn't going to last long. The price just keeps going up and places keep trying to take advantage of it and collect as much money as possible, right now.
Not to mention they complicated the whole process so much that it either scares away people or confuses them to the point that they end up ripped off. The market seems to be the most confusing part to people.
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cause our money is totally tied to something in limited supply like gold instead of slag metal from aluminum mining waste and cloth, and governments(not just usa but like korea and others who also apparently print us currency(and thats ignoring all the "digital money" stuff thats just a number in a database tied to nothing at all)) definitely don't ever print more of it from nothing so obviously we can take their word its valuable.
No form of currency is any more than monopoly banknotes naive people agreed to consider valuable for a while. So whats the difference?
requirements for currency? what are those aside from "people agree to treat it as such" with the optional 2ndary rule of "hard to counterfeit"?
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It is tied to and backed by government. Since you need to pay (at least taxes and for food) with it, there will always be usage and value keeper of real money. Bitcoins? No more use than pretty monopoly toy banknotes naive people agreed to consider valuable for a while. In the end, gold is at least pretty, bitcoin is useless since it has ZERO use/demand of bitcoins other than entirely artificial one to keep it valuable.
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First off, money is just the means by which goods and services are traded, they're not what you trade goods and services for. In other words, money simply represents wealth, it is not actually wealth. In this respect money doesn't actually need to be backed by something with intrinsic value. And the 'value' of money is never dictated, it's the result of supply/demand market forces just like any other commodity. Money has worth because people want it, ultimately deriving from two things: people want to trade for goods and services with money, and the government demands taxes be rendered with money. If money was so worthless would you throw away your wallet? Of course not, because this abstract concept can be traded in for real things.
Yes, it's arbitrary, and yes money has value because people think it does. But look at everything else in society. Are laws valuable? They're just a bunch of rules people agree to adhere to. Is government valuable? It's just a bunch of dudes we allow to run things. Are cultural values valuable? They don't put food on my plate. Social constructs exist because though they may be abstract, they do enable, limit, and streamline the cooperative existence of people so that all can benefit more than they could individually. The use of common units of exchange (i.e. money) removes the need to barter directly for everything one needs or wants. It allows for specialization of work, which actually benefits society as a whole due to comparative advantage. It also provides a security against situations like when all you have is salt but the beef guy only wants wheat.
Hell, gold itself is not valuable either. It's pretty rocks with little unique practical function. And yet for thousands of years it was the basis of exchange, because it was durable, portable, easy to standardize, etc. It was money not because people need it but because it simply made a suitable medium of exchange for things people actually did need. They didn't want gold because hey, gold is awesome, but because they could then trade gold for something else.
Also, fact checking: most money nowdays is digital, not paper, and most of that is created by the private banking system, not the government. Fractional reserve banking, making your money worthless since bankers realized they could lend more than they actually had because no one else had access to their vaults.
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Wrong. It's not means - you actually need real life money, since it has uses that can be actually vital and only fulfilled by it. That's why money will always have value, barring complete collapse of society post nuclear war. Bitcoin? It's just a commodity, and worthless one as that, as it possesses exactly zero intrinsic value. You might as well be paying for services in shoes or buckets of pebbles. They are worth only what other side will allow them, making them extremely easy to die once fad transfers to newest L33t monies.
Another wrong thing, we can calculate what laws and government adds to society. Quite a lot in fact, that's why people with them prosper better than ones without them. Trying to say 'it's just social construct' is just ceasing to try to understand economic mechanisms and is exactly what I referred to as 'naive programmer with no economic knowledge'. They are social constructs, yes, but ones that unlike bitcoin actually have use and add value to the system.
By the way, yes, gold is not good money either. That's why no serious country still uses it as money - and yet, it's far better than bitcoins will ever be. And look what happened once people took one look at it - it was thrown out as means of payment, despite being physical and having actual uses. Why that is not big warning sign to bitcoiners?
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Actually, it has most of the characteristics of good money, and what it lacks is mostly due to outside forces, not problems with the currency itself.
It's portable (you can access your money anywhere). It's units are uniform, standardized and divisible. It's durable (it won't disappear on you). It's identifiable (people know what you're trading with). The only problems are that it's not widely accepted as an acceptable means of exchange, and that the supply of bitcoin may not correlate with the volume of trade with it (i.e. the purchasing power of bitcoin is not stable). Those two problems should change as the use of bitcoin matures with more use, something this bundle is apparently out to promote, and is an issue inherent in all new currencies.
In addition, bitcoin is apparently more secure than normal money from theft or counterfeiting, and it will never suffer from hyperinflation since the global pool of the stuff is capped (though this may present its own problems down the line if activity in bitcoin outstrips bitcoin's divisibility). The only issue I can think of, bearing in mind I don't know the specifics of how the bitcoin system operates, is that it could be vulnerable to infrastructure failures (ex. natural disasters breaking off the miners), though frankly that's not a big problem and is the same one traditional currencies face as well.
Bearing everything in mind, crypto-anarchic virtual currencies like bitcoin have the potential to be the best medium of exchange yet devised, in my opinion.
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Bitcoins are not portable. Please imagine you have a vallet that can be stolen if someone looks at it - unless you equip it with padlock that instantly burns contents once someone enters wrong password. Why would anyone use it? Oh, look, that is "portability" of bitcoins - either you put really strong password on them, or they can be stolen easily by bruteforcing or guessing. And if you forget the password, they are gone. Forever. "Durable"?
More secure than normal money? I bet currency printing press, special paper with metal strips and paints are a bit harder to obtain than access to network of computers needed to crack password on coins or mine them.
"Not widely accepted" Well, duh, they are not backed by anyone. That's what you need to be "accepted", otherwise it's just a fad.
It will never suffer from hyperinflation, but it already suffers from hyperdeflation due to idiot making them limiting total amount. Deflation is much worse than inflation, economy grows, as people make new stuff similar amount of money needs to be added to system to make everything run smoothly. This alone would instantly disqualify bitcoin in the mind of any serious economist.
Another thing - I can use money to buy bread in shop down the road. Let's assume country adopted bitcoins - how I pay with them then? Shopkeeper needs to have internet-equipped computer, I ask for bread, go home, send him mail with coins, go back to take bread? How is that portable? Also, bitcoins rely on exchange websites - there is about 20 of them, and they can be easily blocked by DDoS attack. Once you do it, for duration of attack bitcoins cease to be liquid. Imagine someone can turn a banknote into strip of white paper in random times - would you want it as currency?
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I think you're dead on. Not that it isn't legit. Just a weird way to try and draw in bitcoins. I can't imagine response is large considering the rarity of the coins. Just had a friends sell his Porsche for bits.
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Warren Buffett has an excellent post about why he thinks gold is a terrible investment, suitable only for scam artists and fools; his points apply equally to bitcoins.
People who are really worried about currency (which, admittedly, there is some justification for worrying about) should invest in things actually capable of generating a return on their own instead, without relying on bubbles. Land, stocks (as long as your risk is properly balanced), and so forth are always going to be a better place to put your money if you have it, in the long run.
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land won't work, the government is going to decide they own not only all the water(so they can tax your wells(sounds made up but in maryland they already tax you for runnoff caused by your roof and driveway preventing rain from soaking into an empty field)) but eventually that they own all the land and you only buy the revokable rights to use it(like steam)(or like japan). and even before that actually happens if you're sitting on something valuable and a big corporation wants it(at least by connecticut's current interpretation(read abuse) of the eminent domain laws) they can take it from you to give to them because they'd generate more taxes from it "therefore its for the greater good".
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He's one of the few respectable multimillionaries. Thanks for the text, what he says it's acceptable but only part of the reality. Investors have difficulties to find something in which they can trust that won't value less on one year. That's what made some of them invest in Germany at negative rates.
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Cool, I hope this takes off. HiB has also added a BTC payment option lately.
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Subsoap wanted the Eternal Bundle to accept bitcoins, but that bundle never materialised. I even planned spending some of my half bitcoin on that. Those were the days when bitcoin was $13 and before the pool stole what I had.
Anyway, I feel that adding bitcoin as an alternate currency is better than making it the only one accepted.
I'd consider buying games with bitcoins, but I already have most of these.
I do think that it's an opportunity for people with no other means of getting money to buy stuff. A kid with just a graphics card can mine some bitcoins and buy games that way.
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Which at current rate is about $1.14 so not so different than other bundles.
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