Nope, Win7 with updates disabled. With Win10 MS owns your computer (and your data).
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(and your data)
That's actually legally impossible, they'd have to be storing the data themselves to even have a chance of making a case for that. So long as you own the harddrive in question, they can't lay ownership claims to any data, even if they manage to appropriate it off your drive.
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Yeah, I stated that wrong. They own all your metadata, browsing habits, usage information, etc and are selling/giving it to other companies and govt. organizations. They don't actually legally own the files stored on your computer.
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Start > Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Active Hours, set the hours you normally use your computer and it won't restart automatically during those hours.
There is also a temporary override of Active Hours in Restart Options on the same page.
(Not defending MS, just providing workarounds).
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Active Hours
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/YjZRpOW
I'm not sure what MS Office has to do with anything?
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ill agree its pretty pathetic that you need to use multiple tools like "shutup10" or a whole ton of manual legwork just to keep win 10 from collecting all your data and keep from updating and restarting itself while your in the middle of a game..
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That's why I use 7 xD And my next os won't be from microsoft.
I just hope that there will be more games for linux then - if not - I will have pc for office related stuff and console (just not xbox) for games.
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After my machine reboot on me when I left the room for a few minutes a couple of times, once while watching a movie and once it even woke itself up during the night and rebooted), I dug into Windows Update to see what was going on. What happens is after Windows downloads an update, it schedules a reboot in the Task Scheduler to take place after the active hours you set. The task will only run if the PC has been idle, so if you happen to be using the computer during the time it's scheduled to run, it re-schedules it for an hour or so later. Deleting or disabling that task is pointless because Windows Update will re-enable it or create a new one. If you put your computer in sleep mode like I do, that task sets the flag to wake the PC to perform the task (and it somehow does it even if you disable wake timers in the power scheme), then during the night, your PC will wake itself from sleep and reboot. Every time it rebooted, it did so without warning. This is because Windows only notifies you that it has scheduled a reboot right after it downloads updates, which it usually does when the PC is idle, so you never see it.
I wanted to do something about this and the only solutions I could find were to completely disable Windows Update, then you will have to manually enable it and check for updates. I didn't want to do that, I just wanted to stop the damn rebooting, and then one night it hit me, fight fire with fire. I created a task that runs when your PC is idle that disables the reboot task. I haven't had a surprise reboot in 3-4 months now.
I could walk you through the steps to create the task, but it's just easier for me to export it and give you the code to import. Copy this text and paste it into a file with an .xml extension ("Disable Windows Update Reboot Task.xml" for example):
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16"?>
<Task version="1.2" xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/windows/2004/02/mit/task">
<RegistrationInfo>
<Date>2016-10-13T14:08:07.2288437</Date>
<Author></Author>
<URI>\Disable Windows Update Reboot Task</URI>
</RegistrationInfo>
<Triggers>
<IdleTrigger>
<Enabled>true</Enabled>
</IdleTrigger>
</Triggers>
<Principals>
<Principal id="Author">
<UserId>S-1-5-18</UserId>
<RunLevel>HighestAvailable</RunLevel>
</Principal>
</Principals>
<Settings>
<MultipleInstancesPolicy>IgnoreNew</MultipleInstancesPolicy>
<DisallowStartIfOnBatteries>false</DisallowStartIfOnBatteries>
<StopIfGoingOnBatteries>true</StopIfGoingOnBatteries>
<AllowHardTerminate>true</AllowHardTerminate>
<StartWhenAvailable>false</StartWhenAvailable>
<RunOnlyIfNetworkAvailable>false</RunOnlyIfNetworkAvailable>
<IdleSettings>
<Duration>PT4M</Duration>
<WaitTimeout>PT0S</WaitTimeout>
<StopOnIdleEnd>false</StopOnIdleEnd>
<RestartOnIdle>false</RestartOnIdle>
</IdleSettings>
<AllowStartOnDemand>true</AllowStartOnDemand>
<Enabled>true</Enabled>
<Hidden>false</Hidden>
<RunOnlyIfIdle>true</RunOnlyIfIdle>
<WakeToRun>false</WakeToRun>
<ExecutionTimeLimit>PT72H</ExecutionTimeLimit>
<Priority>7</Priority>
</Settings>
<Actions Context="Author">
<Exec>
<Command>C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe</Command>
<Arguments>/change /tn \Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator\Reboot /disable</Arguments>
</Exec>
</Actions>
</Task>
Open Task Scheduler, click Action from the menu at the top and select "Import Task..." Browse to the file you just created and select it. You can see everything it will do before clicking OK. All it does is after the PC is idle for 4 minutes, it runs the command "C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe /change /tn \Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator\Reboot /disable".
Update:
This post got me to thinking more about this, even though my solution has worked so far. I looked back at an old forum post I made where I posted my solution and it has had several replies since I last checked on it. Someone may have found a clever way to delete the task and prevent Windows from re-creating it. In the Task Scheduler, browse to the Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator where the Reboot task is located and delete it. Then create a new folder called Reboot (click Action, New Folder...). The tasks are physically stored on your system drive in \Windows\System32\tasks. By deleting the file and placing a folder named Reboot in its place prevents Windows from creating a new task since a file can't have the same name as a folder. Windows Update can't edit it either since it's a folder instead of a file.
The person that made the post didn't say whether or not they did this and had success, and no one else replied if they tried it with or without success. I have just done this and disabled my task, so I'll find out next time there are updates.
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That's a pretty neat solution. Bookmarking, as this may come in handy with some other people's computers. Thanks!
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I updated my post with a possible solution to permanently delete the reboot task.
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hmmm - thanks for that - gonna go and play with this later :) - much appreciated -- I hate having to clear out the task schedular every time it gets updated from MS - grrrr
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I updated my post with a possible solution to permanently delete the reboot task.
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thanks for that - gonna wait till the next round of updates, whiich is usually new years day or thereabouts for a larger batch, and see what they put back in there, then I may give this a shot - if just to see what it does :)
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not available for windows home users if memory serves me right - plus, the AU update has even been shown to overide this as it was termed by MS as urgent update of the core parts of the OS - so unless already on the business stream in win10 pro, you got it :) - and even if deferred MS state that it will eventually happen, as deferring option is not permanent :(
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It's toggled. It doesn't work correctly.
That may be due to being a Win7 upgrade user, as I (and many others with that circumstance) have a lot of weird windows glitches (such as not being able to use the Windows Store). It may just be Win10 being Win10. Hard to say. (Likewise, as Loupou noted, it's my understanding that critical upgrades override the setting to begin with).
Either way, updates are still being downloaded within a week of the release date they have listed on the windows update site, rather than "being deferred for months", and don't give any notification indication at any point that they're ready. Meaning unless I check the windows update website every other day to manually download myself there's no way of keeping tabs of when an update is going to screw over my computer. Further, attempting to manually download still may not work, as Microsoft expects you to download through their Auto Updater, and won't let you manually activate the install through that (as you could with previous Windows versions), so you're likely to be locked into waiting for it to auto-install whenever it pleases, either way.
Certainly, if you've insights into resolving the lack of deferring, I'd be appreciative.
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Unfortunately, I can't help you other than those options.
I'm also a Win7 upgrade user with the Home version and everything works flawlessly over here and I've never experienced a forced reboot like you. :\
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I've got Pro, but yeah. I dunno, it's an issue that all of my (US) contacts that have used Win10 have had, and this thread is the first time I've heard of the issues not being entirely consistent. As another commenter noted, perhaps it's a regional configuration thing..? I really've got no idea short of something like that. It'd make sense though- Europe has consistently shown itself to be a lot less tolerant of such tactics than the US is. Not at all sure what the policies in South America are like, though. :X
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This is why all the software on my computer is so old. In my experience, it doesn't matter what software it is, after they hit their prime, it always gets worse with every update. They get to a point where they make a great product that becomes extremely popular and then they start going backwards. They start breaking things, taking away useful features that you use to have, acting like spyware, acting like a dictator and forcing you to do things that you don't want to, taking away features and offering them to you in a more expensive version, taking away advanced features and dumbing the program down for the masses because they think they know what is best for you, adding bloatware.
The first thing I do with any program I install is disable automatic updates, reporting crashes, or any other automated feature. It doesn't matter if it's Windows, antivirus updating and scanning, browsers, extensions in browser, flash, defragmenting or indexing drives, I disable everything. I absolutely hate when a program does something when I didn't tell it to. I want the full resources and power of my computer at all times and I will decide when a program updates or performs a task.
Windows XP is still going strong. The only drawback is not being able to play 64 bit games or new ones that don't support Dx9. I may have to update soon though because secure website are going to stop supporting SSL3.0 and TLS 1.0, which is the highest XP supports. Maybe someone will release a patch to somehow add TLS 1.1 and 1.2, then I might stay on XP for longer :)
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Maybe it was already asked...but
"deleting all of my open data I was working on, wasting the manhours I'd put into such."
if that was so important data which you worked for so long on....why have you not manually saved it inbetween your work?
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First off, it often takes time to save the data in question, especially when working on multi-file projects that you're not ready to compile yet.
Second, when we're discussing things like games or data open in browser windows, there's often not any opportunity to save on your own schedule.
Third, you've never gotten up from the computer for a quick task such as grabbing a drink or using the restroom without saving something? Keep in mind, that's the specific situation I'm expressing frustration over.
Fourth, for anything that takes time to save, or for downloads or the like, you can't interrupt those, and the OS doesn't determine such processes to be active use of the computer. You've never left your computer while it finished a task? Keep in mind, shutting down in the middle of such processes typically corrupts the data, so that can also lose you data that is saved.
Fifth, I often use a lot of temporary reference files, which wouldn't get saved anyway- but they're important to have open while working on that specific project. Losing them does set me back, but as an alternative it'd be fairly inefficient to keep updating and saving them, as well- especially given that windows update shutdowns are such a rare (and blindsiding) occurrence. It's more intuitive to address the inefficiency you're persistently in contact with, rather than keeping an illogical, random, destructive, rare event persistently in mind.
Well, if none of that or other concerns is relevant to you, then your circumstances must be profoundly different from my own, especially in light of my narcolepsy, which further diminishes the control I have over regular saving. You'll just have to take my word that it can be a profound issue for individuals other than yourself, then. :X
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mine is set to save over the network to a set reference area, so all computers can use it for outputting, rather than creating which is done on one computer (or was until issues started) - but one of the updates rebooted whilst it was doing it, corrupting the save and wasting my work (nothing recoverable in that instant - but most of the time I have a 15min backup rate, and it serves nicely (my bigger problem is the readdion of all the stuff I have already deleted, such as xboxlive, skype, office365 ads, windows store, etc... etc..., and the reinstallation of all the tasks in the schedular - otherwise I can live with it - especially now I have migrated my work to my win7 pc and just use the win10 laptop now for doing this :p
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I have Windows 10 and never had any of these auto-shutdown updates or Crashes and my Pc is running atleast 10hrs a day. I guess i just have luck.
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Yup, the autorestart is just annoying and I can't even turn it off after updating to the Anniversary (was able to disable on the original Windows 10).
Ended up disabling the autorestart via Group Policy.
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do you have a link to the one you used - guide wise - the one I tried seemed to reset after a reboot - so I think it may have been a change to the local policy only :(
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Win+R --> gpedit.msc (This only works with the Pro Edition. There is no group policy in Home Edition)
Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update, find the below two settings and enable both:
- Configure Automatic Updates
- No auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled automatic updates installations
Note that if you only enabled the second one, it will be ignored because "Configure Automatic Updates" is not set to enabled. The change requires a reboot or executing gpupdate /force with administrative privilege to take effect.
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yeah I had to do the workaround to get the gpedit to work in home edition - thanks for that, will have another go at it later tonight - last time I tried the AU changed things again as well, so will try again :)
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after updating to the Anniversary
#Regrets :X
Ended up disabling the autorestart via Group Policy.
Well, the anniversary update disabled the ability to change it via group policy- or rather, I believe you can still change the policy, it simply doesn't do anything (since the setting it ties to was entirely stripped from the OS). If it's still working for you, that's definitely something for you to be appreciative of. :X
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If it doesn't work then, try the Disable Reboot Task part. Be sure to not let Windows sneakily re-enable it though--just tweak with the ownership/permissions of the files in question.
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This is part of the reason why after trying out Win10 for a few weeks back in July, I went back to Win7. I will keep this until support expires and then who knows... maybe Linux? Or some other Windows version if Microsoft somehow (re)gains decency? (lol as if)
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Not gonna happen. Now we've just gotta pressure all the game companies to release their titles for Linux. Get your gamer friends to dual boot!
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Of course not. I refused to update to Windows 10, installed software to make sure of it and don't allow updates. Even without losing data I always found those updates hella annoying.
And I had to reinstall my whole PC one time because an update didn't go well with my anti virus software, so never again, Microsoft. Never.... Again!
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I stayed with windows 7 over getting the free upgrade to windows 10. Hindsight is 20/20 ahoy!
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Not sure but you probably still can get W10 and rekt for FREE:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
Was reluctant to use W10 as well - applied this and felt somewhat less spied upon:
https://www.safer-networking.org/de/spybot-anti-beacon/
As for the updates ... i can deal with those thanks
to SSD's else it would be much more annoying.
Still using W7 on the Notebook alongside Ubuntu ... Dual Boot - couldn't resist the FREE
SHIT appeal on a new build though ... datt DX12 hook that won't be real necessity anytime soon.
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Never had a problem with win10 because (a) I set my settings carefully, and (b) I'm not a turdburger when it comes to privacy concerns.
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TIL not wanting to share all your private data with a smorgasbord of unknown corporations and various databases makes you a turdburger.
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I turn off as many options as possible; I'm not concerned with them making a marketing profile for me and trying to sell me shut because it means getting free shot and the marketing doesn't really affect me.
What exactly do you think they'll do with your data that scares you?
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Some people are exaggerating, of course, like many people inside this thread.
I don't even have the words to describe them.
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Have you ever had an abortion?
Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife?
Are you currently looking for a new job?
Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness?
Are you currently on anti-depressants?
Were you ever sexually abused as a child?
Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex?
Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex?
Have you ever criticized your current employer or boss to anyone else?
Do you love all of your children equally?
Have you ever fantasized about…
Are you planning to get pregnant in the next two years?
Have you ever lied on a cv/resume?
Are you mean to your wife / husband on a regular or semi-regular basis?
Do you have trouble acquiring or maintaining an erection?
Are you one of those women who’ve never had an orgasm?
What prescription drugs are you currently taking?
Have you ever had a wild night out?
Have you ever been deeply depressed?
Have you ever attempted suicide?
Have you ever contemplated suicide?
Would you be happy with your answers to these questions being made public? Or being read by your employer, a local 23 year old policeman, or your neighbor?
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I'm.pretty sure the answer is no to each, so I'm ok with it
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I got the point. I'm just not quite soon&gloom enough to worry about highly unlikely things. It's not profitable for data mining to be used for such purposes so it's unlikely to happen
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Dunno, I just ticked the opt out option and disabled auto restart. Never had any issues with Win10 updates with this.
On the other hand, the company's Win7 has some new update managing function that shuts down and updates right in the middle of the working day. Setting working hours only makes it tell me it will reboot in 10 minutes, no matter what I want. It was incredibly funny during a Skype meeting when I had to tell the foreign customer that give me ten minutes as my computer's update policy will shut it down and not even a shutdown -a command will abort it.
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I think you're using the Enterprise edition (as do I), while everyone who is experiencing this issue is using a consumer edition.
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I just buldgeoned my W10 into submission... and by that I mean I scheduled updates for when I'm asleep. For some reason though, it often doesn't update, informs me that I was "busy" (with... I don't know what, since I wasn't running anything) and asks me to reschedule, so my W10 is the opposite, and doesn't always update unless I manually restart.
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Exactly my case.
And I always have my Win10 Home (at the moment this laptop has Home edition) 18 hours / day active.
Never have any problem with Windows Update, even when I set hibernate when I turn it off.
Maybe manual restart once every week in average.
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yeah, i turned off the forced reboot pretty much as soon as i learned how to. I left auto download and install on, though, pretty much because i know i'd never get to it if left to my own devices. it has created the awkward issue where i'm working and all of a sudden some random thing stops working (the window close button, mouse buttons, and my wacom are the usual things), and then i see that it wants to 'update and reboot'. Also typically not much of an issue, though it can be a nuisance. The problem I had recently was that an update failed on installation (for silverlight despite never using or wanting it) and didn't indicate it in any way. So i'd reboot, and within 5-7 minutes it will have redownloaded and attempted installation again, which knocked out my wacom. this went on a couple of times until i went to airplane mode to stop it, and then dug into the update reports to see what the matter was. That was a pain:<
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I've given up on even trying to update Windows 10 because I keep getting the same error over and over again and have been for months and despite not being the only one with that issue and having tried everything except for resetting my computer (which I'm not going to do) and not getting any help or resolution from Microsoft whatsoever I'm just avoiding updating right now until I can get my new computer up and running.
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I set windows update to manual and disabled the auto restart stuff using powershell
i have 26 lines just to configure windows updates
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So many comments, sorry (TL;DR). Maybe you answered this question before: why are you using Windows 10? Do you need DirectX 12?
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Edit: Looks like Win10 shutdown practices aren't near as forceful in the EU as they are in the States, so please keep that in mind when making your judgments. Likewise, note that you can still set a metered connection when using wireless internet, to prevent updates.
'cause I for one, am rather tired of literally going downstairs just for a cup of tea, and finding out that my computer managed to update itself in that 5 minute period, deleting all of my open data I was working on, wasting the manhours I'd put into such. This despite the fact that even if Microsoft wanted to play the brute force shutdown card [instead of, y'know, offering a prompt like any respectable entity would- or at the very least, giving an early notification warning, like they're bloody supposed to], the fact is that saving active data to hard-drive has been a thing for ages [See: Computer Hibernate function], so they're deliberately destroying our data just because they can.
So, short of someone wanting to "brighten my day" with their plans to light Joe Belfiore on fire, has there been any word on new legal efforts or fixes for the Win10 Malware? (Oh. and interesting fact: Yes, Win 10 updates do actually meet the requirements for being defined as Malware- which makes their persistence without legal interruption all the more ..curious.)
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