love them?
Looking at the poll choices, wait, is there any "money" around the world that isn't dirty somehow?
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Interesting .. such a successful store with such legendary sales of several new releases. Why would it need a promotion like this? hmm...
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…the same reason Steam sales used to be legendary events many years ago as games went around for ridiculously low prices?
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You are aware Steam pimped their 2-factor at release by dropping the Steam cut at the market for users?
I see how people forget seeing Steam seems to induce massive global amnesia apparently.
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Although similar, I don't consider those two ways of 'encouragement' the same. Epic literally has to give away money to anyone to come and use their platform, be it the developers or now, even the users. And I think it's not because they want to but simply HAVE to do it. They don't really have anything else to offer so paying ppl to like them is pretty much the only way to try becoming relevant. You can probably tell I'm not a fan of those kind of practices. If you do like it, please enjoy. I wish you a great experience.
Also, not sure why my personal opinion suddenly gets the 'global' badge, not to mention the amnesia comment is just salty assumption of something you have no idea about.
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I'm not seeing that much difference.
Uplay gave free games.
Origin gave free games.
GOG... doesn't really have the reach I want to, also gives free games.
Steam FORCED you to use it to play Half-Life 2, then certain games only could be played on them, your physical copies became Steam installers and they gave free games. Also epic -90% sales. RIP Steam sales.
I'm seeing Epic taking a note from above handbook. I do recall how many where furious over Steam in their Half-Life 2, but people just had to swallow the bitter pill to play a game they really really wanted. And Epic uses the same aggressive behavior and I see a similar outcry, understandably.
If it was outright money you can freely spend I would agree, but it's their insystem currency. So I see it the same as, say, chrono.gg coins, lootboy diamonds or Steam wallet. In the end all this is a financial push to use F2A. Steam also used a different financial push to use F2A. Financial push F2A == Financial push F2A in my book, even if the exact circumstances around that push are different.
As for global and amnesia that's just about Epic and Steam topics in general. Nothing about you personal.
People forgot all about HL2's launch. People forget there even where digital stores before Steam (D2D). Then again that's not something solely to Steam, like people thinking PUBG is the first Battle Royale some still think Doom was the first FPS etc. Usually the successfull first is remembered as first rather than an actual first. It just seems to happen a lot around Steam. Though that might have something to do with it's age too. The years allow many things to fade, and much to collect.
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Steam forced people to install steam because half-life is first-party exclusive title, same as epic with fortnite.
Epic is doing a third-party exclusive which not OK.
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Half-life 2 was not even the decisive point that was counter-strike....back in the days it was the fortnite of today
cs is the only reason why steam prevailed ....hl2 is negligible, you can only view it as a start
cs is also the reason why the people were so pissed back then, because the performance in connection with steam was catastrophic
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True, but it was the start of a new era of launchers so it was prone to errors, but it's still you're right.
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I don't actually remember HL2 outrage but it was their product anyway. Many companies use their own launchers (and have been even before steam) for their own products. Epic has Fortnite and rightfully forces players to install specific launcher to play it. Why would anyone be mad about that? It's not that different from standalone game installer which was the main way to install a game before digital distribution.
All that is not the case with paid exclusives. Mainly because of two things:
- none of these games is 'theirs' (in terms of publishing rights and development)
- they're doing it solely to isolate steam from new releases. They're not doing it for developers, publishers or (god forbid) gamers. This is purely to take over as much STEAM's market share as possible. I think there were cases were they didn't pay for being exclusive platform but just to force game out of steam (simultaneously allowing distribution on Windows Store for example).
You could say that this is today's business reality. I say it's still fcked up. If you want to bring players over to your product, make it interesting so that they want to try it, don't force them by throwing bribes all over the place. I don't remember or know of any such actions from Valve and so, I think that stating 'Epic is doing the same things Steam did' is generalizing by skipping relevant details (whether it's intentional or not). They started off as totally different platforms with different goals and got where they are today using different paths.
Everyone is free to decide for himself. My money will not support what Epic has done so far and is still doing (..doing despite at least few liesdeclarations that it'll stop - that's another reason for me to 'like' and 'trust' them. All this misinformation and taunting on social media is far from necessary).
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It wasn't just HL2, never played that game (well might have once or so at someone elses place). When I bought Metro 2033 retail, it still required me to register for and install Steam. Not Valve's game and also forced me to start using Steam, similar to how they're forcing you to use Epic now. I doubt they actually want to lock out Steam as opposed to just locking you in to Epic.
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The difference being that Valve didn't pay the Metro 2033 publisher to use steamworks, and nothing else. They could have made the retail copies work without steam if they chose to. Epic paid the publisher to kill off their competition for a year, for Exodus.
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I'm sick of steam sheep as well. They won't even entertain the idea valve is a capitalist pig like everywhere else. Started by an ex Microsoft millionaire, bathed in monopolistic ethos and introduced loot box gambling to kids on pc.
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So basically you have to criticise everything becuse otherwise you're straight up becoming it's sheep.. Steam-sheep, Epic-sheep, Fortnite-sheep, PUBG-sheep, Console-sheep, etc..
Following this pattern, I think if you're unwilling/unable to like or appreciate anything you should be called hating-sheep cause, you know: you "won't even entertain the idea that something might actually be anything else than plain bad"
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yes
https://www.simplypsychology.org/conformity.html
strawman as well you didnt even argue against my three points :(
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I don't think 'straw man' is the correct term here.
Regardless, if you meant the rest of your comment, sure mate, here we go:
- Started by an ex Microsoft millionaire - what's wrong about that? Dude worked for a big company and earned money. What's the evil part? That he earned money for his work? Or that he worked for Micro$oft? What does that prove? I'm sorry, I don't see any argument in that sentence.
- bathed in monopolistic ethos - no question about Steam's monopoly, but it didn't happen without a reason. It's not like there wasn't anything else in the market. Steam was simply the best and became the go-to platform for most developers and publishers. Also, made it much easier for indie projects to enter the world of electronic entertainment. EGS is pretty much trying to break that monopoly with even more monopoly. Is this the way to go? You can call Steam the 'lesser evil' if you like.
- introduced loot box gambling to kids on pc - I assume we're talking about TF2 and CS:GO (never played TF2 so pls forgive me if I get anything wrong). Honestly, I have no knowledge whether it was the first time lootboxes entered video games world or if it was truly targeted at kids. Personally, I think kids just got involved as kind of collateral damage. As far as I know, Valve has limited the abuse by sabotaging bot-based websites (which actually were clearly targeted and advertised for underages).
Conclusion here (if there is any) is a bit fuzzy. Of course Valve created the feature but it wasn't for kids-only game product. They've eliminated most obvious points of abuse. Now they're probably restraining from radical moves to avoid undercutting this part of business. Tardiness could possibly be their biggest fault here.
But then, is there anything you can do to completely isolate it from the juveniles? It's not like all those kids don't have parents that should have at least general idea about what their children are up to during those long computer evenings.
Getting back to conformity. It's clear that some folks follow the crowd in order to fit in and belong to the group, but there has to be 'a group' first. It's not correct to assume that every peer group sticks together only to stick together. There's always that 'essential core' that has something more relevant to say. Something more than just 'baaa' :)
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I think it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box
how true the above is i dont know but i remember tf2 around 2010 with crates. This is where it all began; a great way to target kids for junk cosmetics and a wonderful introduction to gambling on pc gaming. Not to mention the way CSGO evolved into scam auctions and skin buying where valve did nothing until the law got involved.
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$10 to give their spyware access to your phone? No thanks.
And it looks like Tim Sweeny put me on his blacklist. So sad :(
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That's not an excuse to add even more spyware to it.
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Very true. For example, I ate some greasy food yesterday, so since I'm already living an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm injecting acid into my penis while shoving cyanide pills up my butt.
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AGAIN !!! didn't we warn you about doing that the last time ...sigh...:P
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But the cyanide makes me feel really fizzy inside!!! >:(
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auch....a little radical decision just for eat an hamburger XD
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I mean, you gotta go for it though. What's the point of living if you can't even shove capsules up your butt, y'know?
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One minute you're picking your nose, the next, you're installing a USB 8.0 into your hip joint.
Gateway drugs creep up on ya like that.
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just install the blizzard event acces app XD they will rob you blind
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Do you have any proof it's spyware? If you can back your statement up, great. But if you can't, better not to spread fear about something without just cause/because you just don't like their service.
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Two factor can be email. Cant it? Does it actually say it wants your phone?
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Sure why not, I have nothing to hide. My phone is only full of loli-stuff anyway.
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why do i get a headache when watching it. it's fine with FPS game or stream though
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Their whole store can go free, I still won't use it.
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If you use get a good start menu like Classic Shell you can add and sort all your games and you won't care how many launchers you have.
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So if they go free and you can instantly play Borderlands 3, Metro Exodus, Bloodlines 2, Sinking City, Close to the Sun, etc. You won't use it? -__-
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If it's so succesful, Why do they need to give away money? :)
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Are you talking about the "Buy for x amount of money and get x amount off" thing they did? If so, then that's a discount for bulk purchases. Discounts aren't monetary incentives.
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Would you count a discount as a monetary incentive? Personally I don't, so this doesn't apply either. But if you do, then fair enough. Just that changing a percentage mark to a hard number doesn't change what it is in my eyes, so either all discounts are monetary incentives or none of them are, I'd say.
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"But this game, and you get 20%" off is different than "here, take 10€, you can do whatever you want".
I don't think any company has ever done that. Epic really have money to spare. Not that I'm complaining.
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If Amazon did that, I missed it :(
Unless it's your typical "Get a $10 Amazon credit for preordering one of two hot new whatever"
The surprising thing about this deal, is basically get 10€ for nothing.
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And dropped their cut for 2-way authentictor.
And gives games if you watch their streams.
And gives games if you enter their summer event.
Wow, Steam must be desperate right? [/sarcasm]
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What doesn't make sense? These were all "free money" promo's Steam does. Probably lack more like the coal event. Good old times.
And Steam is still topdog for incentivising usage. That's what their entire keysystem is for. I get tired of people pretending Steam offers free keys to developers out of the goodness of their heart.
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The only real difference between a set monetary value for store usage or a set discount percentage for store usage is that way they are applied to your purchases.
That obviously changes the total you pay, depending on what you get.
For smaller amounts, a set value up to the cost of the goods and never more than +100% - Set Discount Percentage is a better deal, higher than that and the Set Discount Percentage is the better deal.
If you don't want to take advantage of free store credit, that's your choice. But if you really hate them, just think about how you can use the store credit, but no more than that, and so cost them money without ever giving them any.
As to the complaints of them giving away product like that, so what? Lots of places have done and even still do it. Even paypal used to pay new accounts some free money. And that was actual money, not just something you could only spend on store products. (Sure you used paypal to pay for stuff with it, but you could spend it anywhere that took paypal.)
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Fully agreed on the first part.
It's also the old "lottery debate"... why give away 15 million? Why not 15x1, make more people happier? Yet doing so less people join to get the funds so it's an everlasting discussion.
Agreed. I'm not fully sure why all the people here boast they protest by not having an Epic account when adding the free games would cost Epic money and support devs. In a way I do more "harm" to Epic than the protestors. Bit odd to me, but if you really don't want an account that's your choice. You can set 2FA and buy games from the browser, no client required if that specific part is worrisome to you. It would be better than "hoping their Fortnite money runs out" (forgetting conviently they get 5% of Unreal Engine and boy, there's a lot of games using that, I'm not seeing them run out fast unless they do some really botched investments).
Aren't the games they're giving away more than 10 bucks? Isn't Age of Wonders 3 from Humble? Then again picking your own rather than just getting something someone else picked for you is always better.
I often get 2.50 off from the local internet store. Telephone gives me free mb's, sms or minutes every once in a while, special storenights with 20% off for an item of choice (any)... so I'm pretty confused why this would be that much of a shocker.
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You are aware Steam pimpee their 2-factor at release by dropping thr Steam cut at the market for users?
I see how people forget seeing Steam seems to induce massive global amnesia apparently.
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"You are aware Steam pimpee their 2-factor at release by dropping thr Steam cut at the market for users" So... Steam make their 2-factor useful? Is that a bad thing? Also, again, giving games for watching streams, participating their summer event or whatever, is different that giving 10€ for basically nothing.
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So, double standard?
Valve giving money for 2FA is "making it useful" and Epic doing that is "they are desperate"?
It's so weird seeing all the comments here crashing down on this when Valve did the exact damn same thing. But "epic bad" and remembering 2 years ago is too hard or something.
Hate Epic all you want, but for the love of god, atleast be sensible about it and don't get the pitchforks out if they repeat daddy Valve's example. It makes everyone clear as day hypocrites. Don't be.
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As I just said, dropping their Steam cut at the market for users is far, far, far different than giving 10€ for basically nothing
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Depending on the user, it can be far more or far less costly for Valve than 10 bucks.
It's still a massive financial boost, one many used to their advantage when it was active.
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Ok, let's make like this. I will admit that 25% of discount of Hellow Neighbour in Steam is very similar to 25% discount of Hellow Neighbour in Epic, if you admit that giving 10€ for basically nothing is not exactly the same as "Steam pimpee their 2-factor at release by dropping thr Steam cut at the market for users"
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I thought I fixed the pimpee > pimped thing. Ugh. Damn tablet keyboard.
For cards it's usually 1 cent they lose. But on higher end TF2/CS:GO? It could be up to several hundreds for users.
In the end all I care for is that it's a monetary incentive. Rather it's done by discount or pure cash, the type of incentive is key.
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My point, my single point, is that 10€ for almost nothing to so many people is probably unheard of. The Steam cut at the market is probably very, very few people. A few games for streaming or summer events is a way of engaging users.
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I seriously doubt that the market reaches "very, very few people". It's making giant bucks, and even non-collectors use it to just sell their cards, making some extra bonus money towards their next game. Who says no to that? Very, very few people I assume.
And yes, I agree on the game giveaways, the coal event and other such giveaways. "Engagement" and "retention" are all the hot words in the "service model" nowadays.
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And you hate Steam 2FA because of the trade market hold (and you made sure we all knew about it), but you're fine with EGS giving $10 to everyone while you don't get it.
It makes everyone clear as day hypocrites. Don't be.
Be careful when you say things like that, that they don't come back and bite you in the ass.
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Be careful when you say things like that, that they don't come back and bite you in the ass.
He's clearly beyond that point. Pointing fingers all around when he should really take a minute and think about what he actually is trying to point out... guess that is already giving him too much credit ;)
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Thanks for the psych evalv.
I'm trying to point out all the people who go "giving monetary incentives for 2FA is deperation is a SURE SIGN OF FAILURE" are oblivious to Steam doing the... EXACT SAME THING. Unless they all secretly are thinking Steam is a failure too?
But hey, don't let facts hit you on the way out or anything. I'm apparently beyond help having a memory of past events. No helping me now.
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Funny thing about those facts hitting you on the way out... I'm not going to bother you with saying that lowering your cut isn't the same thing as giving out store credit, but like I said before it might be a good idea to take a minute and think.
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Funny thing is, he can still make some cashola selling his crap on Steam, he just has to wait 15 days.
I'm not sure how he's going to get that $10 without 2FA on EGS.
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Please senpei, tell me your secret of predicting 15 days in the future.
Since unless I sell at 0.03, fluctuations in the market make it very hard.
So, tell me. 15 days from now... what will be the gem price. Then let's see if you are right.
Also, for the LOVE OF GOD... AGAIN... this is about the MONETARY INCENTIVES TO USE 2FA. So -cut vs. $10. I didn't GET EITHER. I'm getting seriously annoyed when you bring in Steam's obsession with forcing 2FA when it's ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to the current discussion.
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I made $300 and change in a couple days in my spare time right after the trade hold was implemented (and before I started using 2FA). Ask Mully, because I showed her. You say it cannot be done, but I'm telling you it can be, as long as you don't shoot the moon.
That's a metric fuck-ton more than $10.
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I've made about that before 2FA. Probably about... $5 or so in the 2 years since (and most of that honestly from the 1 day per item free from 2FA they allowed recently).
Feel free to teach me your secret then.
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as long as you don't shoot the moon.
It's no real secret and I did tell you. :P
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Apples and oranges. I still don't use Steam 2FA and I wont use Epic 2FA.
Just comparing the Steam (-cut) and Epic (10 bucks upfront) monetary incentives to push people to 2FA, neither which I benefitted (will benefit) from. Which are both that... monetary incentives. Apparently one is all but forgotten though seeing this topic, or was Steam "desperate" too?
Perhaps, though not today since the 2FA being forced on users is an entirely different beast than the incentives to get people to use 2FA which is the topic of todays discussion.
Don't let your seeming hatred for me look for things which aren't even part of the discussion here.
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Hate Valve all you want, but for the love of god, at least be sensible about it and don't get the pitchforks out when they add a trade market hold to protect your items.
There you go. And to be fair, Quijote there didn't get the pitchforks out. Not remotely.
Don't let your seeming hatred for me look for things which aren't even part of the discussion here.
I don't hate you. I don't hate anyone. In fact, I don't even dislike you (despite not approving of some of the things you say to people). I have neither time nor energy for that nonsense and negativity. And really, who is "looking for things which aren't even part of the discussion here", eh? ;)
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They protected my items... FROM ME. That's like locking someone out of their own home, and not giving the key. "But hey, your house is safe, right?"
Please, try again.
And the pitchfork remark was about users in this topic in general. You're going to completely dismiss any pitchwielding mobmentality going on in ALL posts here? Good luck on that.
My bad. I should have probably used "distain" instead of "hatred". Just these discussions making people going full-on epic rage modus is really tiresome. As said people seem to completely forget Valve themselves ALSO promoted 2FA financially. Just pure mob-mentality. And for what?
I probably should avoid Epic topics in the future though, it gets way too tiresome and frustrating. Not worth the effort anymore.
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They protected my items... FROM ME
No, but if that's your perspective, that's fine. They've explained the real reason they did it.
You're going to completely dismiss any pitchwielding mobmentality going on in ALL posts here?
The only reason I'm even commenting to you is because you apparently feel so strongly that you've spammed the same copy/pasted comment to numerous replies in this thread. People in glass houses, etc, etc. Don't be like that Caligula fellow. No one takes anything he says seriously anymore, and I'm sure that's not your intent.
I should have probably used "distain" (disdain)
Telling me what I think of you (or anyone, for that matter) is utterly silly. I'll disregard anything further about it, since I just told you.
As said people seem to completely forget Valve themselves ALSO promoted 2FA financially.
And I remember that some people (like you?) were upset about it for varying reasons. Why is it so difficult to believe people are annoyed/concerned/whatever else with this situation?
I probably should avoid Epic topics in the future though, it gets way too tiresome and frustrating.
It's much easier when you're okay with people disagreeing with you.
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Ugh, lost my reply, really don't want to re-type all of it, so sorry for the abrupt and bullet point reply, there was something much more extensive here... sigh
The real reason was so that they could no longer restore items. In which case, why does it matter if I use 2FA or not on my end? Even if they offered item restoration with 2FA and not without, I would pick without given the option. There is no option though.
I copied+pasted it so people who go "see, Epic is in trouble!" can remember Valve did the same monetary incentive for 2FA Epic does now. It's no sign of desperation, unless people want to say Steam is desperate for cash too. Surely no one is thinking that...
I've ever ALWAYS had an issue with FORCING the use of the 2FA It was bad at 3 days, it's impossible at 15. The monetary incentive provided by Valve was fine, thus the same by Epic here is fine.
Once again (again!) do not compare the forced use against incentive. I'm talking about incentive vs. incentive. Forced use is another topic, and I just hope Epic wont get that low, but for now it doesn't seem that's a concern, so a non-topic in the current conversation of incentive vs. incentive.
If I were ever complaining that Valve surrendered their cut and thus people got much better deals on the market rather than how Valve is requiring the usage or you get trade-penalties then yes, you could yell at me cause I would be an idiot.
Except most of the replies are akin to;
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/wPSs3/epic-pays-10-in-new-promotion#Mytblac
or
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/6chVqAI
Very few actually engage into interesting discussion, I whitelisted the few who did last time around, even if we never came to an agreement, atleast sometimes it led to interesting debate or new interspectives. All-angle views on the situation rather than just the consumers one side.
It's not even a matter of disagreeing or agreeing in the first place.
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Why are holds necessary?
Holds protect your items. Steam accounts are valuable, especially if they have items, and that makes them appealing to thieves. Anyone participating in trading or the Community Market should have the highest level of security on their account. If you haven't protected your account with a physical device (using the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator), a hold will give you protection in the form of additional time to discover your account has been compromised and to prevent items from leaving your account.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8078-TPHC-6195#3 Kinda echoes what I said, doesn't it? Let's not get into what you like to call "tinfoil hat conspiracies" about what is plainly and clearly written. What they say makes perfect sense.
I've ever ALWAYS had an issue with FORCING
Clearly they're not "FORCING" anything, or you'd be using it, no? It's not "impossible" to sell your items at 15 days. It's more difficult, but I made plenty before I enabled 2FA. Many others have and still do.
Once again (again!) do not compare the forced use against incentive.
I'm not, since nothing is "forced." Did you mean to say "incentivized?" ;) (Is this where I get upset because EGS is holding my $10 hostage unless I use 2FA? Nah, because I'm no more forced to use their 2FA than I am Valve's.)
Except most of the replies are akin to
No, they're not. I've read the entire thread now. The thread seems pretty evenly split between people who like it and those who dislike it. There are a couple of extremes on both sides, but for the greater part, they're fairly innocuous comments.
It's not even a matter of disagreeing or agreeing in the first place.
If you say so, but the copy/pasta spamming certainly leads one to believe otherwise.
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Except I still want to know why my bank or moneystuff like Paypal find it perfectly fine optional, but my trading cards NEED this specific protection.
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User acquisition. Enjoy the freebies while they last. Once they have all the users they need to meet their goals they will stop giving out free stuff. Right now their number 1 priority is to convert Steam users at any cost.
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Nice thought but that's not how you acquire users. And they'll never meet their goals. Their store is fishy, people are pissed that they are bribing devs away from the competition, and you can't build a solid reputation on sands and clouds. It takes time and good foundations.
Steam didn't happen overnight.
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This is how you acquire users. Certainly you don't get all people who joined for the freebies to turn into paying customers, still you get some of them. We do have accounts now, we have the client installed. And with this sale they indeed converted some into paying customers, like myself.
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I understand the intent but just judging from the overall negative comments in various places, the actual low sale figures and the event itself, it smells like desperation and I'm pretty sure that doesn't help the conversion ratio.
If they want to build a solid user base, they need to clean up their act, and build a reputation, a proper service and stop playing games, no pun intended, with devs and Steam. It will happen over time if they do it right. You can't blast into an existing market with a huge central provider and just spirit away their users because you want to.
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I'm not sure how you come up with "actual low sale figures". Whenever they shared news, be it about Anno or Metro, it always was about the best sale numbers happening in each series' history.
The rest you mentioned has nothing to do with the initial topic, about free games being used for user acquisition. I agree with most of what you said though.
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I have sources inside Ubi but I have nothing officially quotable obviously because they're very happy to take bribes to not make much selling their games, since they have their own store, it's not a loss for them.
As for the rest, I was just trying to make the point that you get users through reputation and service more than through freebies or discounts. And they're not there yet, nor can they hope to be if they keep using the same strategy.
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Makes you wonder, right?
Ubi is very happy to take their bribe though, even if they sold very little on there. So they think hey it worked for devs, maybe we can bribe users too?
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Free games? Sure. Free monies? Why not? Buy something? HA!
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Haha. Well, I've been gathering the freebies, because it's my understanding that Epic pays the devs for each copy claimed, and I don't mind the devs getting fortnite money, still haven't installed any of them.
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I would only take this if there will be games for less than 10 bucks on sale...but even then I doubt that it will be so easy.
Maybe it's just a coupon with some restrictions, like spent 20$ and you get 10$ off :/
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Steam has given out tons of free $10s for anyone interested in taking them for years. So no need to switch stores to just get 1.
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Companies like Epic are polluting the environment.
When you’re gaming Epic is happily scanning your PC and stealing your Steam data:3
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It'll drop in a few days, wonder if it will do so with the the wallet feature Epic was working on implementing. Hopefully it's that, may make for a nice little discount on my inevitable purchase of BL3 or Outerworlds down the line.
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One question. Is this promotion right now or it will be later? Or it is only for some regions. Anyway I dont see this on epic store (WWW)...
EDIT: as I understand it can be in future if it was not a mistake and it does not work now, just want to be sure ;)?
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It seems like you can only buy Flower at 5.69$? The rest of the games are over 10$.
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If this is the case, then it definitely minimizes what essentially is a completely pro-consumer move.
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Is there even anything to buy in their store for $10? lol :D
It feels kinda desperate to me and I wonder which discounts or offers will follow.
$10 are not enough for me to sell my soul! ;p
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To be fair. Almost half of the games listed are below $10. Including Shakedown Hawaii and Hades
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Nah sorry, pirtatepay is more secure than your store.
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It's 2FA. What the fuck's more secure than 2FA? I hate EGS and its scummy nature as much as the next guy, but shut the fuck up if you have literally no clue what you're on about. It's blind hate and it makes you sound like a dolt. Fucking embarrassing. Epic could give you all the games for free and fuck your mom to raise her self-esteem and you'd still bitch about something. This isn't a smart move as a consumer. You're detrimental to your own cause and people like you are the reason why legitimate criticism of Epic gets brushed away with your nonsense.
I'm being harsh here with my language, but I can't stand when someone's lying through their teeth and is so blatantly anti-consumer. Which is why I find myself criticizing Epic on a constant basis.
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Very true. I mean, you can't claim to be against something and then give them credit for doing something actually decent. You have to close your eyes and ears and yell "LALALALALA U BAD OOGA-BOOGA" and only then can you call yourself Le Epic for going against El Epic.
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Calm down kid, it's just a joke.
And next time try to be more polite when talking to someone, nobody like a naughty brat.
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Ah yes, a joke. It's obvious, since you immediately go for terms like "Calm down kid" and "naughty brat".
Read what I said. I took your comment as a serious remark, because point is that you said it. There's no exaggeration, there's no indication that it's a joke.
If literally writing that my language might seem harsh is me being angry, then okay.
If you have to try and assert an age dominance, then you're obviously pretty young. Guess what though, age doesn't matter when discussing things. Odds are a 10-year old has better points than me in some conversations and the opposite can happen too.
It's baffling to see someone think someone's angry for using the word "fuck" while also using age as some conversational "reverse Uno card".
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Guess what though, using bad words online when talking to people does matter when discussing things.
It shows how immature you're and that's normal for a kid your age.
Maybe next time when talking to someone, try to be polite so they can discuss things with you without mentioning your young age :)
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Guess what though, using bad words online when talking to people does matter when discussing things.
Lol. Saying fuck is too naughty... gotcha. No irony here.
It shows how immature you're and that's normal for a kid your age.
How old do you think I am...? I mean, it's not like you can know, but whatever? A bit obsessed with age still, I see.
Maybe next time when talking to someone, try to be polite so they can discuss things with you without mentioning your young age :)
Uhuh.. Do you know what irony is?
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I was talking about your first comment but it's ok, kids are well known for having short term memory.
I will end the conversation here, it will be annoying to waste all the time your parents allow you on their computer to argue online, get back to fortnight they mess you their :)
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You're right that zeruel shouldn't have worded his post the way he did. But at the same time your answers were not much better. Maybe, if you had stayed polite instead of returning the favor the conversation might have gone very differently and not derailed as much as it did..Answering insults with more insults can only lead to one thing - yes, even more insults. ;)
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And before going around shouting naughty words to people, take a look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/ba2ah8/epic_games_store_keep_using_the_same_2fa_token/
Even their 2FA is not secure. do some research next time before becoming epic white knight :)
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Even there 2FA is not secure. do some research next time before becoming epic white knight
My lord... you're thick in the head, this is genuinely sad to watch. There's so much wrong with what you say and so much hypocrisy. And all it took was 2 sentences.
Nah yeah, but I actually love EGS... this totally isn't pretty much the first time I've actually praised the company or anything. No-no-no. Just a white knight...
Dude uses "white knight" unironically too.. top shagger right here.
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you're really easy to bait kid. It funny that you read "white knight" and didn't even comment on the reddit post.
Keep white knighting kid, maybe Tim will add some more v-buck and skins to your fortnight account :)
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What do you need me to comment on? That there are flaws in every single 2FA system and 4 lines of text and an image of spam emails is isn't enough to condemn a project that will affect millions, if not tens of millions of users? Take a page out of your own book and be skeptical. It's a Reddit post. If that doesn't tip you off, then what does? Doesn't mean you should avoid Reddit for information either. Just that think of the biases, think of the source, think of the proof and think of the scale. These things don't add up and I hope you realize that.
Also:
fortnight
You claim to be this old wise guy, yet you have the grammar of a 4th grader in a non-English speaking country. You might think I'm exaggerating, but I literally have taught and will in future teach English to 6th to 9th graders in Estonia and their grammar's either on-par or better than yours.
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So it's wrong because it's a reddit post, doesn't Reddit allow kids under 9 to read the posts so that's why you're saying it's bad, got it now.
the "fortnight" part is a spelling error, not grammar but it's ok, kids sometimes mix them both.
Plus I didn't know kids can teach too, hope you're not one because you don't know the difference between grammar error and spelling error but you go kid, chase your dream.
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So it's wrong because it's a reddit post, doesn't Reddit allow kids under 9 to read the posts so that's why you're saying it's bad, got it now.
Oof, you're really stretching that whole "U r child, le mayo" thing as far as possible, I see.
I don't know if this is you trying to be a troll or just you being serious. Either way, you insult your own intelligence. We all get your joke, and we even understand if you repeat it once or twice. But now it's getting to a point where Poe's Law starts coming up. Either you're unfunny or you're just not the sharpest tool in the shed.
the "fortnight" part is a spelling error, not grammar but it's ok, kids sometimes mix them both.
Again, not sure if you know it actually or you're trying to be "Le Epic Troll", but spelling errors are most certainly a part of grammar. All spelling errors are grammar, but not all grammar is spelling errors.
I appreciate your input though. It was... interesting.
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Plus that's enough time on the internet for today. It's 9:50 there right? it's coming near your bedtime and daddy might spank you for that.
Take the last 10min. to learn the lessons I taught you today, be polite before start writing bad words on the internet so people might respect you in the future and have a good conversation with you, they might even not mention your young age ;)
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Mhh... it's getting legit creepy now. So far as I'm actually starting to think that you're hiding a fetish under a thinly veiled trolling attempt.
For real... you constantly want me to be some underaged child and now you're satisfied by talking about my "daddy" spanking me. With winking.
It's just weird... Take a moment and look at these comments properly. It went from childish humor to illegal fetishes real fast.
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Please don't make me do myself.
Control your urges.
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Boi, that was a sad attempt to be funny. I think that's enough internet for real.
Damn, that made me cringe.
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"If I say something's cringe, then that means I've taken control of the situation!"
This is zeruel132's daddy. Please don't approach my 3-year old child again! She just doesn't feel comfortable with what you've said.
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But Jessie, you know me, doll. There's never light. It's always the darkness. It comes and consumes! There's no escape, no matter how much we wish for it. It's always the same, day in, day out. Sometimes I wonder if this is a dream and we're just drifting through limbo, waiting to be woken up by a nurse or the Almighty! But it seems we'll have to stay another day, another moment.
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Eh, fair enough. I won't be taking advantage of this, but it'd be hypocritical to criticize them for this.
This is literally a pro-consumer move they've made. First adding extra security, then literally giving you store credit if you take advantage of the safety feature. This is 100% a positive campaign for the consumer. Give them props for this. Odds are they won't earn praise again any time soon.
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They get some credit for it, but people have already mentioned the game prices, they'll add fake-ish sales figures to their financial reports, add user financial data to their logs, and more user data when they set up the 2FA (e.g. phone number). To my nose, this smells of self-interest more than pure pro-consumer.
If game prices were lower, I'd probably reconsider my opinion there, and, after all... it is still "free" store credit.
(Also, "Epice" stole the "e" from the tomatoes in the poll! D: )
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They get some credit for it, but people have already mentioned the game prices
Yeah, that completely minimizes what something that could've been a good counter for some of the anti-consumer practice arguments that are against them.
they'll add fake-ish sales figures to their financial reports, add user financial data to their logs
Yeah, but that's with everything. The money has to come from somewhere and those figures have to be reported. I don't know why we expect Epic to commit fraud just to be even more selfless in what they did.
more user data when they set up the 2FA (e.g. phone number).
That's how 2FA works though. You need a way to identify yourself. That means giving something. I mean, maybe you want to offer another way to make a 2FA without divulging any personal info? Do you not use any 2FA system? Like on Steam, perhaps?
I'm all for minimizing the sharing personal data, but I personally can't think of anything better than this for security.
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If they require a phone number, I won't do it. If they offer two factor through email, I will be happy to take the money since they already have my email address and I don't mind giving that out.
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And I think that's completely valid. I personally wouldn't give that out either. But to be honest, I'm very apprehensive with giving out my email addresses too. It only takes a single leak and you're potentially in a really bad state for weeks or even months.
I just think that 2FA just requires personal info since the point is for you and the service provider to have a mutual piece of personal info that you can confirm with each other. So Epic trying to make its store safer and giving you money to take part in the initiative that is there to help you is a pro-consumer move in my eyes. Though who knows, there's almost always an ulterior motive. But I've reached that point in my skeptical habits that I just think "If the net result is good for me, then does it matter why they did it?".
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edit.
It's live now, and looks quite changed than one from leak.
If you buy something for 15$ you will get 10$ discount
For every game which meet criteria
Epic sale FAQ
They want to give you 10$ to spend in store for 2-factor authentication"The panel read that “the Epic Games store Megasale is happening right now! Sign up for [two-factor authentication] in order to get $10 to spend in the store.” Clearly, the sale was not actually underway when the message arrived on the store, but Epic later confirmed that an event was on its way, with a tweet from the official Fortnite Twitter account."Hold your horses, not yet but here is explainededit. here are some games below 10$ if you're curious - all thanks to FragieShakedown Hawaii $9.99
Oxygen Not Included $7.99
Hades $9.99
The Walking Dead: Final Season $6.99
Trover Saves the Universe $9.99
Observation $9.99
Subnautica Below Zero $7.99
Flower $3.99
Gorogoa $6.99
Donut County $5.99
Little Inferno $5.99
Human Resource Machine $5.99
7 Billion Humans $5.99
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