Is it that time of the month again?
Tbh, I don't know any of these games except DS3. None of these game look interesting to me.
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You mean that you are unable to activate the key at all? Was the bundle bought from IN or did you get the key from someone else?
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I don't completely understand region restrictions. I am in the US and should get a ROW key for Splasher. I understand that I would not be able to activate an RU/CIS key, but if I create a giveaway for my ROW key, can someone from RU/CIS activate it or should I put a restriction on the giveaway?
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So, even though I'm in the United States, my ROW copy of Splasher indicates that it won't activate in certain countries, including Russia. Can those warnings be ignored, or is something else wrong?
My understanding is that ROW isn't necessarily the same thing as World Wide (WW).
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That is correct. ROW is Rest of World. That is, a key that can be activated outside of the region restricted areas, such as those with their own region restricted key. Despite that general description, ROW keys have been activated even in countries that have gotten their own region restricted keys. So I think it really all comes down to how Steam handles it. It's also possible that Steam can change if/when any given country is restricted from activating a ROW key at essentially any time they choose.
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So, to be clear, my ROW Splasher key can be activated everywhere EXCEPT the regions/countries where it has it's own region-specific key?
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My understanding is that ROW isn't necessarily the same thing as World Wide (WW).
You're right. There are certain games that have a "Region X" and a "All regions except X" versions, but in this case there's a "Region X" and a "Worldwide" version.
You can check on the SteamDB packages page for the game, when you click a sub ID there are two types of region restriction messages at the top: "This package is only purchasable in specified countries" and "This package can NOT be purchased in specified countries". There's no subs with the latter for that game.
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...but in this case there's a "Region X" and a "Worldwide" version.
But in this case, there doesn't seem to be a WW Splasher key. There are Region X keys (Russia-only, China-only, etc.), and there are All Regions Except X keys (Everywhere except for Russia and China), but no plain everywhere keys, or have I missed something?
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That's not what other people are telling me (read the comments just above yours). No wonder I'm confused about this.
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So, Humble's warning about the key not activating in Russia, China, etc., is wrong?
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My key was ROW and the Chinese winner of my giveaway was able to activate it so maybe yes.
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That's encouraging. I'd love to hear that someone in Russia was able to activate it, because that restriction seems more firm.
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Turns out you were right. I had a giveaway winner for Splasher in Russia, and they were able to activate my U.S. purchased key, so it is worldwide. At first I was going to ask for a deletion or reroll, but I had a winner I already knew, so I took a chance and it worked. Thanks for the information. I'll be less confused about region-locking in the future.
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Yes, there are notes about it in the OP. If you live in RU/CIS, your key will only activate in RU/CIS. There are also notes about China and New Zealand, but I am not sure about those.
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I can't get splasher or civ6 activated.
I signed up on monthly with US IP.
I'm in Japan atm, but activating with US IP doesn't work. Already tried EU ip as well.
Always get the message: "Sorry, but this product is not available for purchase in this country. Your product key has not been redeemed."
Anyone any tips?
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There are only 2 locked subscriptions for Splasher: RU/CIS and CN, so most likely your key is locked to one of these regions (as other keys are ROW and should be redeemable everywhere).
Try activating it using Russian ip (or other Country from RU/CIS).
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Splasher and Aviary Attorney are now on the bundle list (with a 2nd March 2018 date), but not the others (except the ones that were bundled before) anyone know why?
I'm trying to figure out why I've just lost about $60 CV and dropped to level 6... 😢😅🤔, although even with those two it should only have dropped about $25 😕
EDIT: SGTools has caught up and updated it's copy of (some of) the bundled list, which is much more useful than SG's in this case as it's sorted by recently added 😎
So, I got a reply back from TempeteJoachim, and it's as HoLYAssAsIN guessed:
It became apparent that a significant number of users have been exploiting particular Humble Monthly games that have been consistently available for very cheap prices from resellers. Not all games are affected so overall Humble Monthly bundles should still give a fair amount of CV, we just want to avoid abuse from users giving away 5 copies of only these games specifically.
We are still looking into this so it's possible that other games will be added or that bundle dates are altered.
I replied that it would be nice if legit givers could somehow keep their CV, maybe you could have a list of games that lose CV faster as the number of copies increases, maybe decreasing after the first instead of the fifth?:
Yes, I realize that not everyone who gave away these games was exploiting the system, but with the tools we have at the moment, it's all or nothing, we don't have any ways of altering the value of particular giveaways besides with their creation date
I also asked if there were any plans on making some kind of official announcement, and if I could quote them here if not:
There is no plan for an announcement (and you can post the information you received), but from now on we'll try to keep an eye on new Humble Monthly games so we can add them to the bundle list quickly if needed.
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I checked if they were in a bundle at the same or if they had their price at 95% and I got nothing.. If they (at a later date) were added to some shady site maybe the mod thought he should mark the monthly as bundled but again that isnt the way they used to do it O.o
P.S. When you get an answer pls tell me :D
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Would you mind notifying me as well for the answer?
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Thanks 0ldNick! The reason they did it makes sense.
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Backdating it all the way to the bundle release date is a bummer for people who bought and gifted the bundle itself. Especially since policy at the time was clear about what they could expect in terms of CV and we should assume they acted in good faith. I doubt anyone was getting fifty cent keys on Day 1.
( I'm not going to address the "gifts don't need rewards" discussion here. :P )
EDIT: This particular issue could probably be mostly addressed by capping Monthly game non-bundled CV to 1 copy, counting additional copies at bundled value.
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I like this rule, but it's a brand-new mechanic to implement on their end...so it seems unlikely to happen.
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Well i agree it sucks if you didn't exploit those games. Also i don't know if the games in bundles give 15% CV because the price of the bundle is 95% less than the total value of the games in it or just because they are in a bundle(hope you can figure out what i'm talking about). In first case the HB monthly games should not be considered bundled(unless ofc 12$ is 5% or less of the total values of the games), otherwise they should have bundled status from the start. My opinion ofc.
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Makes no sense if you ask me since there are a lot of ways people used to exploit CV system and this is the 1st one that got marked and addressed, and as far as I see the reseller is at fault here so put those dates there.
I agree with dys above.
Ez system is that only one copy of any game gives you full CV other copies give bundled CV (monthly only or other games up to cg), ez fix a lot of people who didnt exploit the system unaffected everyone wins (except the people who are exploiters XD)
Another way to be fair to everyone is put monthlies as bundled and everyone is at the same. This marking some games as bundled some not is just strange and we have no way to know what game is gonna be marked as bundled and what game wont..
So in the end it is a shit thing to do since it doesnt make clear rules and I personally hate that -.-
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Just going to adress your first point, as what you are saying there is not true at all.
there are a lot of ways people used to exploit CV system and this is the 1st one that got marked and addressed
Over the years there's been dozens of way to abuse CV systems and dozens of solutions (also ones working retroactively) got implemented. I am not saying whether current solution is good and fair or not, I am siply saying that suggesting that it's 'first ever time somwthing like that happens, it's so unfair to me!' is a massive manipulation, it's not the 1st time, not 5th time and probably not even 20th time something like this happens. To name just a few examples from the past:
I could go on and on like this.
TL;DR it's nothing new on SG, it's hardly 1st time it happens, just 1st time it affects you maybe.
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First of all it DIDN'T AFFECT ME at all..
I am sorry but not 1 thing you said is fixing an exploit but making improvements on the system if you ask me..
But that is just my opinion
Again for everything you said here the rules were clear after the change it wasn't behind closed doors like this. And as I said not 1 GA from me is messed up but the point of this is the behind the door approach and changing the rules under the table without publicly changing them.
Also want to point out that the not strict limit for bundled status is something that is opposite of what one person (who talked to the guy making bundled status) said in another post.
You could have also put the free games. They give 0CV but were added at the later date, all of that is improvements not fixing exploits of the system..
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you said "this is the 1st one that got marked and addressed" - this is clearly a lie, intentional or not, as proven by multiple examples I presented. Going on...
1 thing you said is fixing an exploit but making improvements on the system if you ask me..
But that is just my opinion
Never did I state otherwise, but like you said, it's an opinion, and reality is that improvements can be done by cg only and require chnges in structure of website, reactions can be done by support staff and can be done much more quickly than any improvements (even lesser improvements tend to take months to implement on SG).
Again for everything you said here the rules were clear after the change it wasn't behind closed doors like this.
Again not true, multiple of mentioned by me changes were done behind 'closed doors' so it's also hardly '1st time ever'. For example 95% rule was never publicly announced, only explained much later in forum comment (same as it's in this scenario), same with removal of strict 95% rule and bundling stuff simply because 'it was exploited and close to 95%' - even more in this case it's been months before someone even noticed change and again - only then it got confirmed in forum comment.
I repeat - I do not take a stand here, not saying whether the changes are fair or not, should they be publicly announced or not, I am stating the fact that arguments you rise in defense of your points are either not true or manipulated. It does not affect the fact that your stand may be true, but if so it's best to deffend such stand with true facts, not getting angry when someone point's out that what you are saying is not true.
And as for
You could have also put the free games. They give 0CV but were added at the later date, all of that is improvements not fixing exploits of the system..
Like I said - these were just few examples from the top of my head, nowhere did I say these are all examples (actually opposite, I said there were dozens of cases and I listed just 7), point of it was to show examples for counterargument, not to go through 6-7 years of SG history listing every change ever because it would be too time consuming and thjere's really no point in doing that, 7 cases countering your argument are more than enough to refute an argument ;P
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We look differently at what is an improvement of a system and what is fixing an exploit.
For the strict 95% rule I only said what I heard from another guy (as I stated there but you overlooked that)..
And I am not getting angry, not sure where you got that from XD
I will just add this, I am sry if my opinion offended you, but not much I can do there. Since from my active history on this site I always found the mod/support super communicative and this is the 1st time something like this has happened and it lead me to my opinion (which you may call false and not true but to me it is my opinion and it is that)
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I am sry if my opinion offended you, but not much I can do there.
I stated it twice already, but heck, third time the charm, your opinion does not offend me, I am indifferent about the whole situation and do not feel strong about any side (or rather I see valid points on both sides), I replied not because your opinion offends me, I replied because arguments you used to back your opinion are false, so I stated they are false. Nothing more, nothing less. And even if I'd agree with your opinion I'd still point out that some fact you use to back it up is false if it were false indeed.
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It really is unfortunate and it does suck for those of us who didn't exploit the CV system.
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The resellers who buy Monthlies in bulk have already made their profit on the AAA titles, and are racing each other to the bottom to unload the filler games. There's plenty of these games languishing on the Group Buys Leftovers forum and Barter.VG as well.
I don't necessarily have an opinion either way. The CV formula pretty much broke when keys dropped below 1¢.
But if this is a deliberate and intended policy change, it should definitely be announced and explained.
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It's not really a change in policy (as games available at a very high discount were always added to the bundle list), it's rather not realizing how widespread the issue was with some HB Monthly games.
I knew these games were sold cheap on Group Buys for example, but since it's a non-profit group I didn't think it would be the same from other resellers, but it seems for certain games the prices have been consistently very low since the bundle release (still trying to find more accurate info, but for example from a tracker we've found, Shiness: The Lightning Kingdom was available for 1.2€ once the bundle was released and consistently been offered for 0.5-0.8€ since then, for $30 of CV) and in large enough quantities that a significant number of users have been able to give away 5+ copies of these games (and I don't see them giving away 5+ copies of Civilization VI or XCOM 2 for example).
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I understand why it's an issue, and that it needs to be addressed. I don't disagree. I just think it needs more official communication.
I don't think it's ever been stated before that "games available at a very high discount" can apply to individual 3rd-party resellers and grey market.
So now as soon as a game drops below 95% on G2A, it's going on the bundled list?
Backdated to the start of whatever the presumed source is?
Or is there a threshold for how many people have to give 5+ copies before a game qualifies?
Again, I'm not arguing with the idea. I'm saying quantify, and publicize, the decision-making process.
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That is why I am saying this is a bad execution of a solution for this problem..
And yeah I forgot about G2A now that you said it it will be interesting since all the games from monthlies at one point will be available for cheap there.. They rly should have gotten a better solution b4 the implementation :/
And as I said in the post above it doesn't make clear rules on the bundled status anymore..
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It's not exactly the first time games are bundled because of resellers, but it's been pretty rare, maybe because a lot flies under the radar, but it happened. It's definitely not easy because we lack the data we have about official stores from websites like IsThereAnyDeal or SteamDB, it's not easy to find out about the quantities and dates, we've found a tracker but it's missing data from several month (so we're hoping to find more info somewhere else), but from what we've seen so far the games are consistently available at these low prices.
So no, don't expect to see games bundled because one guy happened to sell a couple keys of a game over 95% off, but for the future HB monthly bundles we'll definitely keep an eye on the games.
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Who makes these choices? I mean, the bundling ones, who would need better info sources etc?
What is the tracker you are using?
Most importantly, you should ideally only backdate the bundling to the date you can first verify mass giveaways and a cheap grey market price, mh? I realise this might be identical to the bundle release date.
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I agree with dys. We need to know immediately what counts as bundled or not. Not months later. Because if we start to go by some grey market, it opens up some very serious questions:
And this doesn't even get into russian key shops, or developer keys (you mentioned above) that people with curator access have been giving away for full credit.
But as to the matter at hand - it's really important to make an announcement about this policy change. It could very well influence the decision to buy a bundle or not for many users.
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It's not really a change in policy
frankly, can't see any change on SG policy...
also: i think my 10 level is filled with those keys (never bought at G2A/Kinguin). done what you're saying spending 25 cents per key.
being 10 level i do not care about CV anymore (even if i like to say it, in giveaways description, if a game has no CV or Full cause well... we're still on SG and we build our levels that way), since long time.
thou, i'm really ok with this (still, fully understanding peeps that are still building their levels) and for any cut to level i might get.
if it's fair to buy for the cheap, getting a lot of CV for the cheap, then is also fair to see that cheap CV going down.
my 25 cents
edit: ie, these below are mines.
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Also keep in mind that since not all games are getting bundled, overall HB Monthly bundles still grant a generous amount of CV.
For example if you take January 2018 (the only bundle where more than 1 game got bundled), you are still getting $166 of CV (instead of $183) for $12 (or less).
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Can you then pls make a post/announcement which will be updated with the games that get that status cause of exploits?
I am asking this cause a lot of people are not aware of this (I wouldn't be if I didst stumble on the 1st comment) and this is the 1st time SG has secret policies on how something works and it is not a good thing to start..
Games WERE NEVER before given bundled status cause you can find them on group buy. And if some site gave them at a low price that date was stated for the reduced value, not the monthly date. I am not affected by this (as far as I know since I didnt lose a lvl) but a lot of people who didn't exploit the system are.
Some people dont give away all of Monthly but only games they have/dont want to play so not sure you example for January here is a correct one. And monthlies are not looked at as 12$ but 10$ish since the last one was marked as bundled and it didn't reach 240$ which would make 12$ a 95% off..
Pls look at my post above about how this could be solved fairly, Since if you ask me this is not fair for 0ldNick for example since most of the games he gave are affected with this new (so far SECRET) policy for changing the bundled status and he lost 60CV..
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Games WERE NEVER before given bundled status cause you can find them on group buy
And it's still not the case but maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. I thought Group Buys was the exception, that these low prices were only there because it's non-profit and so that only few copies could be bought at that low price. But it's not the case and they have been available at these low prices daily in large quantities on website like G2A and Kinguin.
Since if you ask me this is not fair for 0ldNick
The system is hardly fair to begin with since most of the time we get more CV than we paid for. I can assure you that I didn't spend $5,532.45 on giveaways (probably not even half of that) and I'm pretty sure that's the case for almost everyone.
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So we can now expect to see G2A to dictate the status of bundled games a shady site.. You rly should make this official then.
Most of my GAs are bundled so I know that I didnt spend that amount of money. I dont have money to GA any other way, and I know a lot of people dont but that is not at question but the change that you must agree is unfair to 0ldNick..
I will just post my solution for this that make much more sense if you ask me:
-Ez system is that only one copy of any game gives you full CV other copies give bundled CV (monthly only or other games up to cg), ez fix a lot of people who didnt exploit the system unaffected everyone wins (except the people who are exploiters XD)
-Another way to be fair to everyone is put monthlies as bundled and everyone is at the same.
This marking some games as bundled some not is just strange and we have no way to know what game is gonna be marked as bundled and what game wont.. And is making the rules of this site for marking status be very unclear.
I know a lot of times I explained someone on how the CV works now I can just say well you will never get it since shady russian sites make the rules :(
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Don't know about the rest of your CV but thanks for the info. Was wondering why i went back to 5 and those 2 getting bundled status explains it. :)
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Yeah i used to wonder myself but there are so many sites that sell keys thats is kind of hard to find where it might been sold for 95% off.
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Perhaps, but not all of them end up being sold for ridiculous prices.
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Quite a few of those I gave away got bundled status too. Still shows up as unbundled in Steamgift tools though :P
(Cursed Castilla, Shiness the Lightning Kingdom, Norwood Suite, Aviary Attorney, Splasher, Hiveswap: Act 1, Scanner Sombre are those that just changed for me, most likely quite a lot more for other people)
R.I.P. my dreams of reaching lvl7 this month.
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Yeah SGTools always takes a bit to catch up...
Scanner Sombre explains some of the rest of my drop, but I gave away all of that monthly and the rest still seem to be full CV, maybe all HB monthlies are going to be added to the bundled list regardless of value, and they just haven't done them all yet... 😰
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Hmmm. These games you mentioned can be bought from 0.22 to 0.70€ in greymarkets. Could be the reason. I mean it happened again with Call of Duty®: Infinite Warfare being sold for 2€ and sth in https://www.cdkeys.com.
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Cause you could buy them for hilarious prices and the exploit the CV system, like you did.
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Maybe it's just me but I feel the "monthly" has ruined the regular Humble Bundle. It's been like 3 years? Since I bought it?
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You mean, since IGN acquired Humble Bundle? It may be true, I'm reading a lot about it. I'm fairly new to bundles and missed the golden age of Humble Bundle. :/
Apparently IGN is pushing monthly bundles and subscriptions, but I'm sure they are aware of the general complaints. Time will tell if they can accomplish to provide good bundles and deals nonetheless.
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Lost 500$ CV OMEGALUL back to lvl 9
Not sure if I’m even gonna bother going back up to 10 anymore since I hardly use this sit now
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Dang.
Have a whitelist. (That won-sent ratio though o.o)
Hopefully something reasonable can be worked out by the support team.
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Have a whitelist for that nice ratio.
Hope something reasonable can be worked out by support.
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Drawkanoid (HB Original)
(keys unlikely if Valve keep refusing to give out HB-sufficient quantities.)
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