more people might actually comment if it was at the top of the comment section so you don't have to use extensions to get past all the "thx" and make your own comment
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But most people don't even bother reading the description if there is one...
Please explain how you know that.
Toaster is just trying to bring a bit more interaction into giveaways instead of just entering without doing anything at all. Whether a thanks is mindless or not, at least someone bothered to write it.
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How I know that, well I saw larger descriptions where people would say stuff like "don't say thanks" or hide some giveaway under a "." and only few people would actually follow the instruction.
But sure from now on I'll do "mindless" thanks since it seems to warm some people up :))
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If you want people to say thanks, then state that you want people to say thanks. I say thanks pretty much only if no one else has said it yet.
Mindlessly writing "Thanks" to every giveaway I'd enter is, as the world "mindlessly" might imply, fairly meaningless. At that point, it is arguably less respectful to post "thanks". I've only done a couple of regular giveaways, but I didn't feel bad that most people entering didn't say "thanks". I'm even on the fence about saying "thanks" after you win, because my first response on seeing an email from a giftee is to think that there has a problem. I've done more forum key giveaways, where it is nice for the "winner" to say something just so you can mark a key as claimed and people can stop trying.
A low "thanks" ratio is also helpful in scanning comments for actual questions or other issues. If you have thousands of "Thanks" comments (due to a mandatory requirement on a long and public or just well distributed giveaway), then it is harder to find legitimate queries and concerns.
If you do want to make posting "Thanks" a requirement, you might want to require "thanks" in particular non-standard forms, so you can filter out the auto-commenters. Those to me are the least respectful.
Of course most of the above becomes more of a non-issue if you are doing a low entry private giveaway. If you are doing a $100 giveaway to a restricted group that will see a total of 20 entries, well, that is a different world.
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If you want people to say thanks, then state that you want people to say thanks. I say thanks pretty much only if no one else has said it yet.
Oh come on, I'm not going to ask people to say thanks! That's just rude and takes away the whole point of a genuine thank you! If you give something to someone, you expect a thanks. But it's completely different if you ask for one.
Mindlessly writing "Thanks" to every giveaway I'd enter is, as the world "mindlessly" might imply, fairly meaningless. At that point, it is arguably less respectful to post "thanks". I've only done a couple of regular giveaways, but I didn't feel bad that most people entering didn't say "thanks".
So you think that saying Thanks is meaningless. I just want to clarify that again: You. Think. That. Saying. Thanks. Is. Meaningless. And now you're actually saying that it's less respectful? Like I've said so many times before, it's better to at least try to show your appreciation rather than do nothing. WHAT HARM DOES IT DO? What percentage of giveaway creators do you think look at their giveaways and say: "Oh no, people are spamming thanks and I don't want their thanks."
I'm even on the fence about saying "thanks" after you win, because my first response on seeing an email from a giftee is to think that there has a problem. I've done more forum key giveaways, where it is nice for the "winner" to say something just so you can mark a key as claimed and people can stop trying.
Wow............I really don't understand you. No seriously, I really don't understand the first half of this paragraph and how it's a valid reason for not saying thanks.
A low "thanks" ratio is also helpful in scanning comments for actual questions or other issues. If you have thousands of "Thanks" comments (due to a mandatory requirement on a long and public or just well distributed giveaway), then it is harder to find legitimate queries and concerns.
If you do want to make posting "Thanks" a requirement, you might want to require "thanks" in particular non-standard forms, so you can filter out the auto-commenters. Those to me are the least respectful.
This is a COMPLETE excuse. I've seen it used time and time again and it has very little weight in this argument. Actual questions or other issues can be addressed in a reply to the first comment or messaged directly to the creator. I mean, I can't believe you actually use this as a reason to be lazy.
Of course most of the above becomes more of a non-issue if you are doing a low entry private giveaway. If you are doing a $100 giveaway to a restricted group that will see a total of 20 entries, well, that is a different world.
Hence the reason I don't make public giveaways. I'm not going to tell people to write a thank you to me. I'm not going to make giveaways for lazy people. I'm not going to make giveaways for ungrateful people. Basically, I'm not going to make giveaways for people who don't deserve them.
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I didn't say that saying "thanks" was meaningless. I said that saying "thanks" mindlessly was meaningless. And it is meaningless when it is mindlessly done, something done from habit without thought.
Should I just write it out from habit, the same as saying "Bless you" after someone sneezes? How does that have any meaning? In society's terms, it may make me sociable, but it is just a trained response performed without feeling or thought.
As for expecting thanks... First, this whole thread was started by someone who was promoting the idea of a rule that would make commenting on entry to a giveaway mandatory. Second, I agree with you that telling people to say thanks takes away the whole point of a genuine thank you.
However, I disagree that you should expect a thanks for giving something away. Getting thank yous should be a bonus, something that makes you feel better because someone felt it was worth saying it. When you expect thank yous, you are instead making them a reason. (Which I why I made the comment that if you want people saying thank you, then you should just tell them that they need to say thank you.)
Personally, I'd rather see five people who might have meant it than to see five hundred that did it because it is what they have been trained to do or because it is an unwritten rule (which drains meaning just like a written rule does). On the other hand, I don't need to see or hear anyone say thank you when I give something away. And, again, this was all coming from a thread promoting a rule to make commenting a mandatory requirement toward winning.
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I don't post "thanks" in most of the public giveaways I enter but I still think your argument is ridiculous. I am like you in saying thanks if not a lot of people have since in that case it does make a difference to say it but feel that in giveaways where a lot of people have said it already my voice will just be uselessly lost in the crowd.
However, the things you list are just non-sense. Saying thanks is never the less respectful thing to do compared to not saying it. When is a thank you ever taken with dislike?
The "spamming" of thanks doesn't particularly make it that hard to find real issues or inquiries because the message length required to thank someone and to ask a question are different. It's easy to see a longer message in a sea of short ones.
I cannot believe you could be "on the fence" about saying thank you after a win because your personal first response is that there MIGHT be a problem. That's the biggest bullshit ever. I make up for my lack of thanks by making sure that when I win I give a thanks that's more than just a one word message with "thanks". I take the time to let them know how much I am thankful, that I appreciate it, and if it was something I really really wanted then I let them know how much I've been wanting it or how much I've been entering for it. I do all that because there is NO grey area in thanking someone for giving you something for absolutely free.
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Feel free to comment or not whenever you like,but if the gifter wishes for something then you could at least respect that instead of questioning his motive. Also don't compare public giveaways,that cant have special rules,with private/group.
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Fine by me. I always say thank you on giveaways, especially when asked to, so I don't really have to worry about it. Though I usually leave a single comment on one giveaway thanking the gifter for multiple GAs if they're all basically the same thing, such as load of DLC for a single title. Saves me time, which allows me to make better quality comments.
And it's not like it's an absurd rule or some sort.
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Because when one makes a puzzle giveaway and there's some entrants that did not comment, the puzzle is probably leaked by some douche.
And some(most?) people really take gifting seriously - they do not farm for contributor points. And when someone who generous enough to give you free game, it is an act of courtesy to comment something such as thanks or what ever the gifter ask you. Steamgifts.com is a community, not a free game dispenser run by bots.
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And what is wrong with waiting to say thanks to the giver if you actually win and its received? Honestly, if someone wants people to comment and to see if someone read the description, it's a lot better to provide a prompt of some sort, like "what's your favorite game?" or "link your favorite song" or "tell me what your favorite food is" or something like that. Seems like that would at least be more useful to the giver too because they'll get some recs for games or neat new recipes or cool music to listen to.
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Special rules only applies for private and group giveaway. So, there won't be 3000 comments, maybe reaching not more than 200. And yes, I would rather read all the comments just because.
Anyway, I've made a giveaway where I clearly said in the description not to comment anything, leave the giveaway page empty. The result is as I expected, people just love to do the exact opposite. The special rule comment to enter is not anything serious for me, it just that I just to do it for fun. I mean, how hard is it to actually read the description and leave a simple comment?
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Whether I comment depends on the giveaway description and whether I know the person who's been making the giveaway, so if I wouldn't know you it'd be rather unlikely I'd comment on that either way.
And since, you know, you can only use it for private and group giveaways, it's not really much of a thing with my reasoning above - you're likely to know people there.
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"Entering without comment"
I have a question for you what would you like between those 2 options:
fake Thanks posted as comment in your giveaway (exactly fake because I'm 100% more then 50% of the comments that say thanks just want to win a game, any game, but don't actually want to play the game you are giving) (it's a diference between the desire to win a game doesn't matter the name of that game and desire to win the game you want to play)
no comment at all
Forcing people to comment = forcing them to post a random comment or to lie you. That's what you want?
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I think so! Evil Toaster forcing people to comment. So rude.
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You're not really forced to lie, you're not being forced to lick the giveaway creator's ass either, it's just a matter of commenting about the giveaway, about the user, the game, the puzzle (if any), it's about thinking something instead of saying just another mindless "thx", and that thing, that depends entirely on you.
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There's nothing in the OP saying your comment has to be a "thank you". You could always call the gifter a ballbag, or a morally debased cretin for creating such an evil and divisive rule.
Alternatively, if you have such a grievous problem with it, you could not enter at all...
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But thats purely an interpretation. I could aswell take your post and say "Jonex thinks toaster should be suspended". The fact that you make a post saying that toaster wants to rules changed leads me to that assumption.
Toaster himself never said anything near this. Community could be whole SG,community could be forums,community could be just the guys that have access to his giveaways....
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Such exciting comments like "Thanks!" and "Wow this game looks cool, thanks"
You're kind of a jackass.
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Rule is fine for me.
Funny fact is that all people who dont like this rule of yours in this thread are people who dont comment. xD
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I just noticed that! xD I'm having fun clicking on their profiles and seeing their low comment to entry ratios.
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Seal of cool, because seal of approval is so last Tuesday. (But, honestly, you shouldn't need to ask. :P )
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It's funny how people won't even say a simple "ty" Sad, but true. Even those in groups have this same problem. It would be embarrassing to be on a blacklist also. Thanks ^_^
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It's funny how many threads we've had because of people who think that even 'Ty' is too much and that we're spamming their precious 1$ bundle giveaway. Excuse my French, but people suck.
That's not French. Meh, je ne parlais Francais bien mais. Aurevoir.
That's French.
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but people always complain about the ty spam, so what are we meant to do?!
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Hi there,
I used this rule for months now, never approved it by you. I guess it is about time!^^
I would like to get approve of the following rule:
"Entering without comment or if you leak the link of this the giveaway will lead into a reroll if you win and a welcome onto my blacklist."
Thank you! :)
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