Short answer https://i.imgur.com/0PVf2Jr.jpg
Long answer: game was included in November Humble Bundle it took not much time for it to appear on the usual grey market sites where it sold for a few dimes and still is. Probably support set CV to zero retroactively to better reflect this situation. The exact date it tanked was November 9th three days before you gave away the game.
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more likely cvhitsquadgodfather w/e twitch guy... choice bundles are prime suspects for the 1000+ copy giveaways through their channel stuff... doesn't take long for them to do choice stuff these days.
grey market should have no bearing on cv status(being that it is always limited... you can see a low price... but its not available in large quantities)
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It probably took a few days from the bundle pricing until it hit key resellers. Of course they could also just choose when a large number of GAs are created. Either way, it's never explained, and sometimes the 0CV date is set before the 15% date, so it's not entirely consistent.
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If it stays at that low price over weeks and across multiple grey market stores, supply can't be that low and should IMO be considered. Especially when there's people giving away 5+ copies of said game here. And where does random Twitch guy get their 1000+ keys from?
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0.5-0.6 EUR for 7.5 CV is obviously a great deal for CV building but I don't really get how it warranted zeroing out the game. There have been several official bundles and also grey market deals in the past providing similar or better ROI. This decision feels quite arbitrary.
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In the last months, a part of, the HB choice/monthly games are available on the grey market for -99% and -99% is set to free.
And a part is available by the shitsquad crap streamer and his "store" (and he get, most likely his keys from the grey market too) = free
A few members of my group report such stuff when they see it and at some point a mod handle then the ticket.
And voila, one game lesser to abuse/exploit the cv system.
Yes, this isn't perfect and never hit all games that should be hit, but none can be 24/7 around and looking only for such stuff. As more people report such games/cv exploits when they see them, the effect comes nearer to the 100% handled loopholes closing.
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Mostly semi-professional traders with a lot of Humble accounts I'd guess. With a little luck depending on the bundle you can pocket 30-50% interest on your investment in a relatiively short period of time. Carders are a small minority as those platforms don't like it when keys get revoked and their reputation amongst their customers suffers.
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Ignore what Masafor says, it's a lot simpler. These resellers buy the HB Choice every month in bulk to part it out so to say and sell the keys separately. They usually recoup their money / make a profit on the headliners and the more popular indies in the bundle and end up with hundreds of keys for the niche undesirable games that they can't really get rid of. That's why the price of those plummets to about 0.5 EUR or so. And that's why Hitsquadgodfather and others doing mass giveaways can buy them in bulk for a few cents a piece from these resellers.
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Still, they are not really massive giveaways. You have to watch his stream for days to get anything.
My point is only that it's not the same as a key being given for free on Fanatical or some reseller, or Alienware, where people can get multiple keys for nothing, or a lot of people get a key and that causes a massive amount of GAs.
So the purpose of dropping to 0CV is rather dubious and is more likely to demotivate humble subscribers from doing GAs at all.
Not that I care about CV. Just for argument sake.
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Apart from his streamelements store he also does the classic mass giveaways with around 1000 keys like 1-2 times a month. Practice has been that the mods zero out those games and not the normally priced ones in his store. The game in the OP wasn't on mass giveaway by him, it simply got zeroed out because of its low grey market price compared to its high base price. Other games that become this cheap thanks to Choice usually only have about 15-25 USD full price and thus lower CV, I think that's why they escape the same fate as long as they don't end up on mass giveaway.
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Short dips like this of course won't lead to CV reductions. None of the keyshops actually lists it at such a low price anymore right now. They're either mistakes in the first place (maybe someone was listing the older remaster under the wrong game or forgot a digit in the price) or single keys being sold that cheap. GG.Deals will most likely correct the graph retroactively later.
The Lamplighter's League in contrast has been sold for an even lower price consistently over weeks across multiple keyshops. Also it had multiple people giving away multiple copies on SG, thus not just giving away their own bundle leftovers. Let's talk again if System Shock Remake actually suffers that same fate, which is highly unlikely.
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It might not even have been a flash deal that anyone has actually successfully bought. Could just have been a mistake. Those actually happen quite often, sometimes even from the same person in several keyshops at the same time. GG.Deals usually tries to confirm if it could actually be bought and otherwise corrects the HL and graph retroactively.
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Oh, I meant "flash deal" more like "blink and it's gone" than actual, planned sale - but I seen alerts about it, there were at least two sites selling it for like $1.50, than suddenly third one joined with under a dollar deal.
Which made me think it's going to be a more permanent deal than just something for maybe-a-hour.
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That's absolutely true but SG is basically built on the CV metagame, And the heavy-handed CV policy doesn't neccessarily make this a better or fairer place. One might think that building CV with too cheaply bought legit bundle keys or for example by taking advantage of regional pricing is bad but the stricter the policy on this the less desirable it becomes to give away legit games here and the more desirable it becomes to give away random unknown crap that is more likely to fly under the radar.
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The abusers gave the crap away when the restrictions for HB monthlies weren't so high as now.
They gave overpriced crap away, that i reported daily at that time, years ago when a lot of good games weren't restricted.
So i can clearly say that the ones that abuse the cv system do it with or without the restrictions of the good games.
They only let run many instances of twitch streams on dif. systems that are able to "view" streams, to abuse the cv system on sg much faster and cheaper too.
A lot of users jumped on the cv abuse train since the shitsquad streamer started his crap. And the most of them are too dumb to understand that this streamer earn a lot with this thing and give them only peanuts (i am tempted to write pee nuts).
So the need for more restrictions for a few games are absolute logical and can't be prevented.
Say thanks to the abusers that damage/destroy it for the honest ones :o(
Banning the ones that abuse the cv system since years, when i reported games daily there were around 50 guys that done it "nearly daily" -which shows there weren't extreme masses that done it constantly-, would have been much lesser work for every involved and with a better effect for the site (+ a hint for the abusers that don't do it so regular to maybe change their acting... or will be the next one[s]).
I always try to go first the friendly route and a few shocking/scarying examples what could happen are better as hitting everyone that give only their 1 copy of a bought bundle/monthly away too.
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So i can clearly say that the ones that abuse the cv system do it with or without the restrictions of the good games.
But it makes a difference to everyone who enters giveaways whether the system is abused by legit games or by unplayable game-like objects.
A lot of users jumped on the cv abuse train since the shitsquad streamer started his crap.
People abusing the CV system by giving away legit HB Choice games is actually a whole lot better than if they build their CV with asset flips and other crap.
And the most of them are too dumb to understand that this streamer earn a lot with this thing and give them only peanuts
You seem really bitter about this streamer and it's a bit perplexing to me. It's basically a simple revenue sharing scheme. You give him ad money by idling his stream and he shares some of it back through Steam keys.
And maybe I'm dumb but I don't think he makes mad money with it. If it was so profitable a lot more copycats would have sprung up since he started. He also had a massive problem with multiaccounters because those heavily eat into his profits. (Multiaccounters tend to be from poor regions so they generate very little ad money while depleting the rewards.) According to his own claims he was in the red for many months because of them and he is about as paranoid about / hostile to them as you are.
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I don't think that's true. Asset flips are fine for CV as long as they are not on a mass giveaway or super ridiculously priced (like those 200 EUR games).
And tbh I don't like the current system. The more legit games are zeroed out the more it motivates people who want to play the SG metagame to give away obscure crap instead. This site should promote / incentivize people giving away popular legit games that the winners might play sometime and not junk being shared around for the sole purpose of levelling up. The real value of the games should somehow factor into the CV formula.
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The more legit games are zeroed out the more it motivates people who want to play the SG metagame to give away obscure crap instead
I don't think this happens as much as you say, even though I agree with you on the incentive shift. I think the magnitude of the incentive shift is small enough relative to how many gifters we have and how few games are marked 0 CV.
So I may be changing my opinion on this. I gifted Mass Effect Legendary Edition on here last week. Now it's marked Reduced CV. I was planning to buy more of it in the Winter sale to give away, but I won't now. The incentive change is real!
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You seem really bitter about this streamer
I am """bitter""" (i would call my status different but it isn't important for me) because so many people are dumb and don't realize that he earn on their backs and that this people try, in a high amount, to exploit sites (not only sg).
And how cheap a lot of people are buyable in general, they kiss everyones ass for a few cents, which is very visible with the freebies for trash games on many (mostly russian) freebie sites. Do 324862482 tasks to get a game that none will ever play and they are happy to earn money for such people and get nothing of worth in exchange. Everytime surprising/shocking for me to see this.
And sure he have a lot of multiaccounters there. He attract exactly this type of people and don't done something against it for a long time.
You can, very easily, see that a good part of this/his multiaccounters are on sg too.
Whenever there is a mass GA or a game in the shop for 100 (or whatever cheap), do a check here https://www.steamgifts.com/archive with the game name.
Let the tab open and refresh it sometimes for the next 3 or 4 days. And you will see always the same user names appear with a amount of the game that isn't possible with only one account there.
And this users should be banned, it would help the site a lot on the long run because it would raise the quality of the users in general, would influence the behavior positively, would lower the abuse/exploit tries, would lower the work for the mods, would give new users a better impression and i think the general approach between the users would be more positive too.
I know a part of this users from GA discords that i joned many years ago, but don't use anymore since a few years. A lot of them done everything to maximize their advantages (multiaccounting, automated scripts that post messages, asskissing etc.) and they do all possible stuff everywhere.
And everytime it is a "we know they are multiaccounters (or do other bad stuff) on site/discord XYZ but as long as they don't break our rules we will do nothing against them". So they are mostly unpunished for all the bad stuff that they do.
It's ugly.
Ps.: I am not paranoid but i absolute dislike abusers/exploiters/cheaters and this is very well known because i communicate very open and direct about it ;o) (i don't need to be liked from everyone and i don't say what others want to hear only to have advantages -that's not how i got raised-). But please don't compare me with the shitsquad guy because he and his site are shady and i am the absolute opposite of shady.
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What's shady about it? He buys keys legally, a vast majority of it is bundle leftovers. He also actively fights botters and multiaccounters because they literally cost him money. There have been several verification rounds and stuff like that to weed out as many as possible. He outright restricted access to his stream/store for a few countries (incl. Russia) that caused the most problems.
I think the only legit complaint about him is that he is essentially defrauding Twitch advertisers who get their ads shown to idlers not even looking at the page instead of active watchers. But then again Alienware Arena does the exact same thing with their daily Twitch watching quests.
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He don't started with the twitch streams + store, he had before a group and it got filled with the help of crap GAs (shady sources) with shady tasks. That was how he earned his money for many months (or years, can't remember exactly).
(It gave more but i think the written stuff is enough)
So he actively faked the member count in his group, and if i remember correct it was combined with curation too (too lazy to check this now), to have a advantage from it and of course it was a direct lie into the face of the ones that sended him games to curate or to promote/advertise, because he shown a much bigger audience as there were at any time.
He hadn't a problem that people multiaccounted because he had a direct advantage from it and don't cared for the rest.
He hadn't a problem with it when he started his stream thing because he had a advantage from the fake viewer numbers to get better ad's deals etc..
He have now a problem with it because he don't have a advantage from it in the streams and the store anymore because he gets paid and have stable ads and maybe other cooperations.
But he attracted and liked such members for a very long time when he earned money with them and he will don't care again as soon as he have a advantage from it (or don't have a disadvantage).
I don't use the hitsquad thing and i don't use alienware, mostly because AWA do nothing against multiaccounters, i reported a good bunch to them and never recieved a answer (it gave more negative stuff with them but alone this should show a important thing).
Maybe this tell you that i have standards that count for big(ger) companies too.
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It was so long ago I completely forgot about all those curators and groups through which he did asset flip giveaways. That was definitely shady.
And yeah, he was happy with small scale multiaccounting at the beginning though he was battling botters even back then as far as I remember. I think he mistakenly thought that more accounts watching = more profit for him but then realized that accounts from poor regions (where most mulitaccounters were from) were a net loss for him.
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I've used this site on and off for years and know all about that. Disengaging completely does wonders for one's mental health so sometimes it's the best option. Especially when there are self-appointed gatekeepers who feel the need to impose their misplaced superiority on others just because they have a higher level.
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Looks like in the future all games from humble will be 0cv
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Didn't see anyone say this yet but more non-headliners in the choice has already been bottomed out it seems. Went to go check since I have an active giveaway on my leftovers. Strange since KarmaZoo is only 1.5 CV but oh well. Lamplighters League, KarmaZoo, Hexarchy, Garden Life all got hit but the other 4 are safe.
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I think it's getting out of hand. Lamplighters at least was above 10 CV for 1 USD investment. But Hexarchy has a historical low of 0.37 EUR and had a 3 rCV. That's quite normal bundle territory.
Also I fear on the long run this will be quite demoralizing for people who give away their Choice leftovers here.
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Meanwhile i couldnt buy the bundle and im without a card, entered like 60 something GAs of it so far- it turning 0cv will likely means less GAs...
And all that because of abusers. Werent for then SG wouldve only implemented reduced cv or not even that. And so we cant have nice things :(
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SG mods retroactively nullifying CV vs giveaway creators & participants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckUrPx_ktA
(I stopped trying to catch up after losing level 6 for the 3rd time)
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everything is made up and the points don't matter.
i think CV should also be based on how many people could enter your giveaway with a reasonable amount
groups that just circle jerk give each other the same games to boost cv
one group of users that was even giving away DLC to each other and never gave anything cause the system doesn't detect it.
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anything can be bundled anytime for any reason. there is no rule at all about games being featured as bundled.
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you only gave me a reason to refrain yourself from* come reply my comment.
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Should games get marked 0 CV if they're easily abused to farm CV? Yes. The idea of levels and CV is to in some way calculate a person's total effective giveaways posted to the site. Controls are needed to ensure it accomplishes that goal.
Should Lamplighters League be marked 0 CV? Yes.
Does it mean people are less likely to make public giveaways for Lamplighters League? Yes.
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It is deplorable indeed that you may get zero recognition by the system if you give away a game that was handed out for free in bulk eons ago although you paid for it. On the other hand you don't get much out of higher SG levels anyway.
I'm convinced being nice or at least respectful to the other actors on the SG stage will get you further.
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Isn't that sort of a separate issue, that games are permanently marked 0CV even if the giveaway was a long time ago.
Right now we're seeing Lamplighters League which is in the current Humble Choice being marked 0CV. What is your opinion on that change?
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So uh, Mass Effect Legendary Edition was marked Reduced CV today. It's on sale for 92% off on Steam (so $4.79 for 50 CV, now 7.5 CV).
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1328670/Mass_Effect_Legendary_Edition/
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I gave away my copy 12.11 and it now shows 0 value. Is there any public list of games with reduced CV consisting dates when reduction started and the reason why CV is reduced?
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