Hi guys,

I'm curious if any of you tried Google Music and if you uploaded your music collection. Any ideas how this works or what happens with songs we got from ripped discs or other sources? I'm a bit paranoid about this since it's Google we're talking about here...

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I see. I wanna go the other way around. I have lots of music, mostly ripped from discs or various sources and a SSD laptop so I cannot afford to fill it with music. I am kinda afraid my music will be flagged as not genuine / pirated since it's not all from online stores.

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My entire library is "not genuine/pirated" and I never had an issue. Mostly because pirated music is usually taken off iTunes, and the upload feature is made especially for that.

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Google Music is blocked in my country. Do they offer lossless?

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Not sure, I never used it so far but from what I heard you can select from different quality levels, depending on your network speed.

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If you upload your music you get it in the quality you uploaded. 320 kbps is available.
FLAC music shows "321 (VBR)" in the bitrate section usually for me. I don't know how the quality is on that, though.
Downloading is 320 kbps normally.

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why do you need lossless? it's scientifically proven that you can't distinguish between high bitrate lossy vs lossless audio files.
Unless you have done double blind tests and can show that you can show sufficient statistic you are just kidding yourself

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There's no need to question me. I have my own preferences.

Let's leave it at that.

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fair enough, I respect emotional value and if feels/works better for you then go ahead :)

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It is actually possible for some people to distinguish between various formats. I have hyper-sensitive hearing to various pitches, I can hear dog whistles and the like. I'm able to tell the difference between 24-Bit FLAC, dithered FLAC (24-bit > 16-bit), AAC, and Opus.

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you might, but unless you or some other person claiming this hasn't any blind testing done then I can't believe you.

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I've actually done blind testing. I don't expect you to believe me since I can't prove it, but I've always been able to hear a whistle in the AAC Codec, a prime example of where you can find this would be Crunchyroll uses it for their streams.

But yes, a friend of mine gave me a blind test once. He had a 96khz 24-Bit CD that we used as material. I believe it was one of the Fate/ series openings by Fhana, I could probably find it with some effort. He copied it to 96khz WAV using ExactAudioCopy then encoded it into the respective formats (24-Bit FLAC 96KHz, 16-Bit FLAC 96KHz, 320kbps AAC, 320kbps Opus) and then decompressed it to 24-Bit bitstream to get rid of any identifiable media information.

During this test I listened to the 24-Bit FLAC first. In both the 16-Bit FLAC and 320kbps AAC I noticed a noise presumably caused by dithering similar to that of what hear normally in the AAC Codec. The Opus codec was similar to that of the 24-Bit FLAC except a bit softer, I assume the codec does some softening that prevented me from hearing any noise.

It's up to you to believe me or not though, I'm not overly concerned, but I do feel that these 'scientific tests' can't guarantee anything of this nature, because every individual is unique and it's not uncommon for things like this to occur.

Anyways, I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with the bitrate at all. I believe it has to deal with the data that's getting chopped off as 'unnecessary' and it's causing a difference that's audible to me.

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It does not sound the proper way to do blind testing.

But it's not that important whether a small amount of individuals can hear the difference in certain conditions, it's rather the point that the large (very large) majority of people can't tell the difference in any conditions. It's not very moral to spread misconceptions about science or technology. One point it is that is wasteful and the other point is that people will start to abuse it and make money off it. A lot of the audiophile market is full of lies and pumping money out of people because of this.

As far as the chopped part goes you can listen to it here.

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if he/she/it is indeed non-human I retract my statement :)
I can only speak about humans

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It seems to work fine for me. I've had my entire music collection on Google Play for over a year now. As far as I know they only offer 128kbps MP3, so make sure you either add it in that format or a lossless format so it doesn't get lossy-encoded again.

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I see. How many songs/GBs if I may ask? I know there is a 50k songs limit and I am far from that but the GBs, that's a different problem.

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I'm not sure if there is a limit in GBs. Since they convert it all to 128kbps MP3, I'd imagine the 50k songs is the hard-limit. I keep all my music in lossless locally and it's around 700GB. As per how many songs... A lot. I've got an entire shelf of anime/video game OSTs and such.

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It is, but keep in mind the service is primarily used for streaming to phones and/or tablets. Most people who would be using this service are likely on some kind of 4G/LTE with limited bandwidth each month.

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I'm using it for a year or so, there are music I've bought, self-ripped, or downloaded from torrents - no problems so far.
But, of course, it's only a substitute, so I can listen to my music outside or at work.

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Thanks for the info. I am not expecting to replace my offline library with this but I'd rather have this that to search for songs on YT. And since my SSD is low on space right now, it's the best I could come up with. I have an external drive for when the network,s down but I'd rather not use it unless I really have to.

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Have you tried Spotify ?

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Not available here :)) I mean I have an account but there's nothing to do with it since I cannot access anything.

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My entire library is with Google Music backup

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I've not uploaded anything, but the player (on my phone) works just fine. I've had no trouble with ripped music.

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The irony for me is that I am an WP user but Groove Music is not available for me :| I can use Google Music but I have not official app for WP. :|

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I have an Android phone and used to do a lot of driving in a vehicle that the radio didn't work well in (and it only had cassette, because previous owners had taken the factory built-in cd player out before selling it...which made little sense being that it was a Dodge Caravan and the cd player was made specifically for it... O.o ). So what I used to do is upload some my favorite songs and have a couple playlists on the Google Music app and listen to that while driving. Some of the music was bought from Google Play store, some of it from Amazon, some of it bought from other digital stores, some ripped from my cds, and some ripped from cds of friends. Zero issues. And if you are really that worried, if you are using the mobile app, you do not need to be connected to online to use it. If you are using the online player that is in a browser tab, I've had zero issues there as well, when I've used it.

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I've bought a song.

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