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Ty!
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Hi,
first a thanks for the nice giveaway :o)
Please don't take my following words in any way against you. That is not the intention.
I would like to ask you that you make no "free for all" GA's under lvl 2+
It's nothing against the real, nice, friendly players on lvl 0 and 1 but on 0 + 1 are 90% autojoiners, bots and extreme leechers (3 years+ on sg, who never give away anything or only 1 GA to be on lvl 1 -to access more with a higher rate- but taken hundreds of GA's).
So i think you feed the wrong people with open for all Giveaway(s) under lvl2 without any security measures.
There are many security measures you can use too. By a part you can avoid the lvl2+ and support all the new/low users without supporting the bots/autojoiners/leechers.
Examples: Forum thread, jigsaw puzzles, puzzles, itstoohard, sgtools, hidden text or links, edited links and so on....
When you want give it out to lvl 0 is it possible without problems.
Only use "invitation only" and Create a Forum Thread.
With this way a lot of the bots, autojoiners and other not so nice people found not the way into your GA's (easiest security measure so not perfect but better then nothing ;o)).
By this way i have no statistic numbers because i saved my thread with sgtools too :o)
When you use sgtools (sgtools.info) you can set rules. Partly set a hook, partly fill in 0.5 or anything like that and when you are experienced you can set custom rules where as example all that own CS:GO can't join your GA or only a fixed number can join your GA or only people with a wishlist smaller as 400 ... or whatever else... the possibilities are very high.
I can say the winners are then real players, no 7 days waiting on a hook, they found the word thanks and the work after the end of the GA is near zero.
I give my stuff mostly out to lvl 1, then i can set a real cv ratio rule too (in my case 0.5 = maximum won double of the given) :o)
ITH = https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/g1nc3/ith2-nov12th-still-top-10-slots-to-fill
Here you can see how you can use Questions.
From "Are you a bot" Questions that can all users solve to Questions that nearly nobody can solve ... you set the difficulty complete by yourself.
Hidden text/links, as example when you link a picture and the picture description shows the 5 digits of a GA.
jigsaw puzzle = http://jigidi.com/
Hope that helps. When you have questions i try to answer them.
Would be great if you think over that and look if any of that stuff fits for you too.
Thanks, happy winning and gifting and have a nice week :o)
friendly regards
Masafor
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there are also lots of poor people who can't afford to give much away. and every single newcomer is at level 0. should they only see stuff they can't enter? is that your end goal? ^^ your 90% number is arbitrary and frankly probably extremely exaggerated. you can do with your GAs what you want. i rarely do level 0 GAs myself. but posting under other GAs and asking them to stop doing that - i think that's a little extreme, and unnecessary.
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Yes it give poor people but when anyone use sg for 3 years+ i can not understand that this person not have 20 or 30 cents for a cheap game. A poor person have this money in this time too.... when he/she want ^^ (and when you look closer to the people that call themself poor you see always cs:go, players unknown battlefield and a lot of other AAA games in there steam accounts -i NEVER seen a real poor one on steam-. So its clear they have money for themself... but not for others because they win without give anything out (i can understand that partly and a "short" period but not 3 years+).
Lvl 0 people can enter GA's with security measures that are created for lvl 0. This is absolutly no problem.
Easiest way is a ITH Question, as exmaple "Are you a bot". I think each one should answer that right :D smiling
And i have listed much more ways.
But yes it pops not up on the "Open for all" page. That's the only con.
The 90% are my own experience by my own GA Winners of the open for all lvl 0 and 1. At open for all lvl 2 that was reduced to maybe 40%.
I would be happy when i made other experiences, trust me.
Maybe i was very unlucky with the winners of this GA's and others have made much better experiences. Possible and can't speak for all.
When you search in the discussions for statistics that a few people make you see clearly that the lvl 0 and 1 are very invested by bots and autojoiners.
I don't think that it is so important if the numbers are 60%, 70%, 80% or 90%. Too high in each scenario :o(.
To post my text is, for sure, not the ideal way but i not see how i can make it better to show a few people that it give much more possibilities then seen at the first moment.
I was very frustrated after the first open for all GA's and very happy as others show me sgtools, that i use now to secure my GA's that are inv. only over a small thread that anybody on lvl 1 can join.
The reactions on my text are mostly good, mostly from users that are on a little lvl and not know the possibilities before.
When they use a way that the real users get the stuff and not bots and exploiting people i am happy.
The smaller group reacts very negative on my text. Partly because they think that i want taking the lvl 0 and 1 anything away -what i not want because when they not must battle with all the bots and autojoiners there win chances raises very much- and from experienced users that not like my acting. Mostly because they misunderstood my words as i give the Creators commands. Maybe my text is not superb written (english is not my native language) but i think that it is clear that i give a advice and show possibilities and want not force anyone to anything. Or at least i hope that this is clear in/with my words.
All what can be done is not the best way from my line of sight.
Say nothign change nothing
My words maybe change a bit but costs time and energy (from both i have not unlimited because i have a uncureable, cronical illness that is not a easy/light one) and it brings for me the one or other BL (a few WL too). I am not happy over the BL because my intention is not a bad one but i accept that anyone have the right to BL anyone for anything. I not try to be the guy without a own opinion that i can jump into all GA's. The points are never enough for all and it give thousands of GA's. So much more then anyone (with or without BL's) can join :o)
Other opinions, like yours as exmaple, are ok for me. So we can discuss, think over the other opinion(s) and maybe each one can learn, a bit, from the other one.
This may change all in all too. The people, there thinking and acting and maybe the GA creation too :o)
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/zjJlq/cut-down-on-bot-entries-by-having-recaptchas
read other peoples opinions and experiences (not sooo far away from my own)
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ty :)
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Thanks for the chance!
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Thanks for the giveaway!
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thankyou :D
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