On one side,some people are ridiculous,on the other one,maybe the community is filled with too many trolls and stupid kids at times and as a wise man once said ,words cut deeper than a blade ever will.
Life doesn't deal in asolutes....no white and black but neither pink etc :) only a gray color that varies in the shade intnsity at times tending towards white and other times black.
Blame suicidal kids's parents and real life environment and people there who the kids sought an alternate place from in the first place.
Blame the suiciders too.Others are dying because of various diseases ,organs failure etc and they would want to live ,but noo,the stupid suiciders don't do shit with their life :) they could be killing evil-and-corrupted 2in1 politicians or something like that xD things that would help others.
Most ironic people on this wretched planet and "mankind" ( more like what's left of it) are those who contradict themselves saying they don't give a damn about anything and anybody other than themselves but then they complain about how The System fucks them "because of those who don't care about anyone /anything"
All in all, the internet has always been the internet,whoever is stupid enough,regardless of age etc, to listen to strangers's mockery and suicide because of it,or others that take medication advice from strangers on the net and many other situations,they deserve what they get :)
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You really are an asshole. First it was you telling someone you hope they don't kill them self, and now this. You just can't help it, can you?
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no i am not an asshole.
why the fuck should i encourage people to suicide because of cyber bullies????tell me ,please do enlighten me with your genyus idea.
Suicide is stupid,period.There's a whole lot of things to do to not give up like that kid,plenty sollutions,hobbies,helping others ,etc.
what the fuck is your problem?
i CAN At the same time hope someone (everyone ,in general) doesn't suicide but if they did/do/will do ,I CAN BELIEVE IT IS THE MOST STUPID CHOICE someone can make. and i ain't judging anyone in particular,just that it's the worse and most inneffective choice anyone can make.
If you'd knew the shit i've been through for example...and the only reason i keep living for,you wouldn't talk shit like that...
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Suicidal people aren't thinking clearly. Do you know how torture works? You break them to do something they don't want to do. Bullies break people. It fucks with their brain.
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The system fucks everyone,now and then, here and there ,more or less.
Giving up is weak.
You don't see me suiciding do you?even if i don't really owe shit to you and others and the future generations,i still will fight and die for this piece of shit that isn't mankind but the remnants of the concept of mankind.
Giving up life is games's ragequitting.
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Blacklisted me hmm,nice.I'll just do the same to you mate.
You blacklisting me for not supporting suicide as a sollution ,makes you the ahole not me imho but whatever pff..
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i think there are two or three people in this thread who want to create a controversy.
they just randomly accuse people and then blacklist them.
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Have you seen the other bullshit he wrote? I blacklisted him before this thread. He's an asshole.
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I can't because he likes to edit his posts after people call him out on it. He basically called someone every offensive name. I'll try to find it.
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What the fuck do you think i edited ? I don't edit ,you are paranoid go see a doctor noob.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/UBUj7/banned-on-steam-forum-of-payday2#XyRk9ID is that topic and page the one you are looking for? Read my post below this one if yes.
That kid is a leech and tarded enough to throw subtle insults to almost all in his topic and he got forum ban in payday2 for using SAM ,caz he's a noob cheater .he deserves a GameBan imho :) and for using SAM also account termination since SAM hacks part of Steam accounts for the achievements,which is not allowed ;)
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A mod banned you for writing what you wrote. I think that says it all.
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You mean that cheating leecher kid who complained about Payday2 not updating anymore +payday2 forums ban because of using SAM for achievements and then called most people in the topic "kid",including me,that topic? I don't take shit from anyone ,stupid kids especially
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Yup. leeching and cheating doesn't give you the right to be a scumbag. Wishing someone didn't accidentally kill themself because they have autism or whatever the fuck you wrote. You edited it like a coward so I don't remember exactly what you wrote. :)
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- When i am on phone like now, sometimes i accidentally don't click the keyboard and it takes me to other links so i have to go back to finnish what i wanted to write.I have not edited nor censored shit ,go buy new glasses pls.
- What i meant by saying his big.mouth will kill him one day is if he talks shit outside of the internet,in real life ,where someone will most likely fuck him up if he don'f grow up ok mate?
- I haven't wished for anyone to die ,i only do that to the bad politicians for your information :)
- I was raging caz it might happen sometimes like that time if a tarded kid calls me kid when i'm 25,and he called many others too...I don't think his authistic i was just raging :) And the thing i do thinj that douch is is maybe lacking manners and being impolite :) other than the cheating leech he is.
Are we clear now?silly you.
Edit: topic seems to be closed .
in that topic i have not edited my posts,my 2 days suspension was for what you see there.
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Do you realize mods can see your edits? You can't just write whatever you want and expect to get away with it. You were banned for a reason.
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I blacklisted you for your other post. This was just icing on the cake.
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Irritating attention seekers can be mocked. He does`nt need to hurt someone to be mocked. Mocking is not a big deal. Moderm humanism has so much hypocrisy. Killing yourself over getting mocked on internet because you bullshit intentionally over and over again ? Seems like a nice idea for humanity..
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So if i call you, i say if, a "pathetic human being", i assume you will be fine with that, don't you?
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Read my post upper:) why u generalised in topic saying it as if ALL SG users are a hive-mind?lol...
Here you'll find those who don't check forums ,others who laugh at this topic ,others that feel sad about it,others that don't feel shit for this particular topic/situation,etc ..many people with unique minds and opinions :)
Whoever is stupid like that kid to give up so easily,deserves it :) and there isn't shit we can do to bring him back ,is there :)
Life is just like Dark Souls games xD but without respawn..some people just can't see trough the tears so they complain about the game's graphics.
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Of course i am going to commit suicide, what a dull assumption you have made there.
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would actually find it hilarious, knowing from whom it came from and the context behind it
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Your comment almost made me choke on my drink as I started laughing. You're absolutely right though, I would facepalm, laugh and giggle if a person like him called me pathetic or something among the lines of that.
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Well, I am not kind, benevolent and neither open-hearted so my conscious is clear :)
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you are joking right?
how do you know that konrad is a kid?or suicidal ?
also can you give a reverence to the first case.i have not witnessed it.
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i couldn't find it with the search button and that's why i didn't add a link to that.
It happened, if i recall correctly, 2 years ago.
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so you didn't witness it yourself.
i think the term cyberbullying only applies to non anonymous online related activities.
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no, thankfully not. i read about it a year later. it became viral even on reddit and the local news of the area that kid was living.
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I remember the thread as well, about the kid who were making a public cry for help about wanting to take his own life. While it's not known for certain that he did take his life, a lot of things point that way (he made similar statements on his own steam group, then just dissappeared. Never logged in again after saying that he would take his own life, and I think someone found a newspaper article that lined up with that date as well)
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but then its not really the community's fault.
he was already suicidal before he opened a thread on the site.
the people who mocked him for opening this thread are assholes
but they could not have made up a big part of this community.
konrad doesn't seem to be suicidal.
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No, Konrads was just a jerk, and he deserves his suspension, and I don't see the parallel either.
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the first case did happen there was a kid who clearly said he wants to die and asked for help and in the posts there was no help cause who knew it was actual a serius thread , The community had no idea until someone pieces the post / steam account/ and an article of a kids death together , i was shocked to see that
About konrads i think he got banned for multiple accounts and breaking the rules thats different , i dont think he ever made a suicidal post if i am wrong someone could link the post
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I personally didn't like his entitled attitude. "Why is my family account banned, fix this". I'm sorry but sometimes you have to slap people so they learn and know that they did wrong. But then again, I guess people like that can never learn.
Also, I seriously doubt that if a person came here telling they feel bad and are thinking of suicide the reaction would be a lot different.
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Blame for what? For konrads6 breaking multiple rules, annoying community, claiming to having multiple accounts on SG, basically spitting on everybody's face while being self-entitled person who doesn't care about anybody here, even disrespecting minorities such as the one shown in the gay marriages thread you mentioned?
No, sorry. He earned his suspension and everything what happened due to his own actions, and not some random SG bullies bullying him for one thing or another. Those two cases are completely different, and he earned his suspension due to his own actions and not some salty mod banning him for no reason.
He acted like a prick, he got what he deserved. You can't go to police officer and spit on his face while claiming that you robbed somebody. If you think that mods should suddenly stop banning people because one could commit a suicide because of that, then I'm afraid that won't happen, and I feel that community didn't hurt him that more than he hurt the community back.
I do not use blacklist, I tend to avoid mocking and bullying people. I tend to be polite and refrain from acting like an asshole. But at the same time, even though I don't feel guilty of anything, fact is - he got blacklisted by over 1150 people. I'm not even sure if there is ANYBODY with more blacklists on SG. He earned every single blacklist with his own actions, and not somebody telling those people to act in such way. Even if I like him personally, and I know that he's just not very brilliant person, he earned his suspension rightfully by his own actions. I hope he's alright and won't do anything stupid, but at the same time I don't agree with you claiming those two cases of being the same - they're not.
And by all means, I'm against mocking people. I can't blame the community either in this case though. Honestly, I'm feeling worse about people who lost the SG spirit thanks to him, than about konrads6 himself.
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I've started to writing, but after seeing this post I've stopped just to give +1..
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Don't have enough whitelists and +1s to show how much I agree...
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I was going to write the same kind of post, i'll leave a +1 instead.
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+1 I and +1000 to " I'm not even sure if there is ANYBODY with more blacklists on SG". After his last post I was going to BL but then saw that he was on it already... and believe me when I say that my bl is really little ...
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I was hoping this thread would remain ignored : /
If anything because you are using someones death to make yourself look good in the eyes of this community
Really, i should just follow your advice and ignore you, but i guess i have something to say...no point pretending being sensitive over someone who doesn't need to be defended, it won't get you anywhere.
the person you speak of, actually asked for help, and to be fair bringing it up as a recurring mistake from this community is crap logic, since most of us were not part of this site. we are entirely different people.
konrad is different, he turned himself to this meme, he had fun, he broke rules, meme got old so he left.
but it's funny that you bring that up because both you and konrad have tried, to bully, report and shove your views down the throat of other members.
If someone actually asks for help they will get a different response from me, konrad was just a troll seeking for attention, personally he wasnt even on my blacklist.
Ps: konrad might actually be a young adult
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I generally feel bad very easy but some times ppl get what we deserve
In life we uphold and respect rules either it is in real life or virtuAL
In school or forum..you wouldn't go naked in a bank because it's common sense
There are ppl who really do put an effort here
There are ppl who do this for their own amusement..
I didn't had konrad blacklisted until yesterday because I didn't cared much either about his ratio or his behavior even when he was a freaking racist. .
But I respect the rules and hope everyone do..If we didn't this wouldn't be the great site of sg but a farm...
I hold no grudge to ppl like konrad but I don't think he is the kind that will do any harm to himself
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I can tell you what's gonna happen now. He will troll more on different forums :)
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Why would he suicide cause he was permaban ? what is that you know ? Did he told you that or made a thread of taking his own life?
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Long time ago there was someone who asked SG for real-life help. SG mocked him, not sure if anyone told him anything like "please contact doctor/suicide-hotline/talk with parents" tip.
In the end he killed himself.
Two different people.
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Also, he didn't kill himself because the community didn't help. He was already ready to do it + didn't go to suicide watch/hotline.
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Konrads spammed and spammed and spammed. He threw out baseless accusations and we refuted them. Yeah, we made fun of him, he knew that we did, but still kept posting. A person like Konrads is most likely not suicidal, but just a troll looking for a cheap laugh.
All I did was say "Konrads is at it again..." or "Dear god, the spam just never stops from you, huh?" which were the things that most people said. Is that cyberbullying? Hell no! That's barely noticing the situation. He became a meme. People still mention him. He's an infamous figure, but he obviously relishes in it. If we ignore Konrads, then there will be dozens of other people like him.
Also, with you opposing gay marriage, most of us don't care, but as with any community, this one has SJWs as well who would love to just mount any different opinion-holder's head on a spike. Don't listen to them, they morons. You do you, but also know that everything you do has consequences. Every action you do has a reaction that can be predicted in most cases and it's ridiculous of you to even suggest that people don't argue back to you giving a public opinion on a forum. That's all on you. Yeah, SJWs are annoying, but you knew what you were getting into.
The kid DID NOT kill himself only over SG's commenters. If he did, he had some serious problems that his family didn't notice or didn't care about and that is their fault, not ours.
Also, why would you think Konrads is a kid? Looking at him, I'd say he's most likely not a kid from the way he writes and what figures he uses to portray himself as, like the priest guy, who was corrupt or some shit.
And in the end, this is NOT a suicide watch. We shouldn't just make this community all cotton candy and stuffed toys because there are a few people that don't like criticism and go all "WAAAH!" at the notion of it. It's a public forum, conflicts will happen. You can't really expect anything else to happen here.
That's just my opinion, as always.
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i had to look up what the meaning of SJWs is.
thx.
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I could care less if you don't think that Gay Marriage should be a thing, you're not in any position of power over my life, but at some point I can get irritated at how ignorant and disrespectful you're being. Konrad was a shit about it. He went back and deleted it by the way, but if I had sat here on the thread and said that all women/people of color/any religion needs to go die, because XYZ, then yes it's going to tick of rational people and actors.
The term Social Justice before it got hijacked was something that meant social justice for all people. It was Egalitarian in concept, even feminism got hijacked. Though I would argue that the premise that it got hijacked isn't really true, it's just that people pay attention to the loudest voices and thus give it legitimacy. Don't get me wrong at this point in the West there is a subculture of getting offended over every little thing and being reactionary over everything and finding a way to make yourself the victim, and those people sort of got their hands on the SJW title and made it something ugly.
The principle behind it, that I have rights that everyone else should have whether you're man woman or child is a simple one and one that I feel bests suits humanity. I don't want anyone else to have more rights than one group of people. The end.
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Yeah, but now it's no longer what it sounds like it should be. I won't have white guilt. I won't pretend that I should even pretend that I have anything to do with slavery. I won't pretend that countries should become completely multicultural and so on. We have different ideologies and that's fine. I'd say whatever, since this isn't the place to discuss this. :)
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Okay, I hate this conversation but I'll have it because they have a semi-point but you're getting caught up on the details. This may or not be how I feel just a simple breakdown of the issue.
You as a white male have nothing to feel guilty about, but let's be frank you as a white male have won the genetic lottery. You have privileges that no one else does in America. You have opportunities afforded to you that people of color do not. That's nothing to feel guilty about it's just what it is, and acknowledging that you probably won't get shot by the police because of your skin color, or you probably won't be stopped and searched just because of the way you look, or you won't be followed by a store clerk because they think you're going to steal. In the case of America, black people were lynched simply because of the color of their skin, they were systematically oppressed. Did you do anything wrong? No. But the system is still set up that way and acknowledging it and helping to fix the system is something that you can do.
But the flip side of the coin is, when you keep people in poverty and ghettos crime and gangs is bound to happen. And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. High crime rates in the black community, black on black crime, has more to do with socio-economics than anything, but again because of systemic oppression and quite frankly segregation that still happens it's hard to break the cycle.
It doesn't matter what color your skin is, it's just how humanity works. No one is asking for you to feel guilty, but at the same time there is a problem and acknowledging it is different than feeling guilty about it.
Also because I can't stress this enough, there's nothing inherently wrong with multiculturalism. Because the alternative is far worse, when you create segregation and treat people like the other it makes it easier to radicalize them because they are disenfranchised and as I pointed out it starts a vicious cycle that just doesn't end. If you say to a person that you are this first, a Muslim, a christian etc before you are a person you're giving them an identity that they might not otherwise identify with. You're making the problem worse not better. Society works better when there is respect and understanding because fostering a sense of the other makes it easier to demonize and kill a group of people. I'm not saying ignore the inherent problems of multiculturalism, but taking the good from a society and leaving the bad makes the world better.
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Holy fucking shit. This is what pisses me off.
Buddy, I've been working since I was 14. I had to buy my own clothes and computer and everything else. Yeah, I'm lucky since I got a job and in the end wasn't in Africa and shit. But I don't live in America. I live in a fairly poor country actually. I've been working 40 hour days on average for about 3-4 years. Yeah, I'm a lucky ass bastard. My life is so damn amazing. I finally got my family to fucking support me and acknowledge my existence, but nah, I'm privileged as fuck. That mother that I had to financially support with 4 of my friends because her daughter, my friend, killed herself and left the family in turmoil with severe addictions is just a great little thing that I'm so lucky to have. The white privilege is just flowing over me, since it doesn't matter that black people are being accepted into higher education at a higher rate because they're afraid of being called racist or something, nah. That's just my white supremacy talking here.
Look, I'm not pretending that my life is horrible or something, but it's not picket fences and a huge house for all of us. Yeah, race has a huge deal in our lives, but looking at the society now, I will be having a harder time than a black person here in Estonia, because of "multiculturalism and racism"....
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Did I say that you had anything to feel guilty about or that you as a person haven't worked hard your entire life? No. Nor am I saying that life isn't hard for everyone. I'm talking about societal issues as in making gross general statements. Sociology doesn't apply to the individual it applies to a group of people and it's more general trends than anything else. So I'm not against you, I'm not trying to dismiss your life as some fairy tale. Life is hard for everyone, I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm making comments based on sociological trends and some commentary on subculture. I'm a bit more careful in my general analysis and what I believe.
I'm saying that there are problems in society and acknowledging them is a way to making it better for everyone. That's hardly news, and it shouldn't make you angry. You are less likely to be stopped by the police because of the color of your skin. You are less likely to be racially profiled because of the aforementioned issues which again has more to do with a systemic problem that you have nothing to do with.
Keep in mind I'm specifically talking from a North American perspective and most of it comes from that NA perspective. It's not Estonian women who are making videos about privilege, they could be but I have no idea if they are or not. What you're commenting on something that is a North American/Western first world problem thing to some extent. I don't pretend to know the history of every country on Earth, I'm always interested in finding out more. But that doesn't disprove my point. Also if that part of Western subculture has seeped to Estonia when again you probably have other things to worry about then I'm sorry. I hate the subculture as much as anyone else, but I don't argue with them because again giving a voice to crazy people gives them legitimacy.
I didn't call you a supremacist. I never said your life was easy, I never said anything of the sort. Again I made comments based well sociological trends. However if you're going to listen to North American perspectives like that and get irritated because of what they say then you need to understand the context. Which was what I was trying to provide.
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I know. But when you said it's easier to be a white man I kind of got angry. I know, it's dumb.
Yeah, we have our own issues and I got out of line, my bad. Sorry.
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It's not dumb and I do actually understand the reactionary view. Life is hard and when you're struggling to pay bills or survive and someone dismisses your entire being as well your life is easy because of the color of your skin? That's offensive. It divides us further, but ignoring the issues in our society because they make us uncomfortable and we need to be able to talk about these things. Social justice isn't a bad thing, the premise of it isn't bad because it means that you get help too, maybe you don't have to overwork yourself.
But the vocal people in the movement make me want to fucking bash my head against the wall, because as I pointed out the message is a good one but when you start causing that visceral reaction and people start getting stuck on the semantics like that? Then you're not doing a good job at what the message is all about. My two cents, the point of the movement was to lift people up but it became putting people down ironically because of the color of their skin and gender. The irony isn't lost on me. Trust me.
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Konrads is quite different from the kid who asked for help though.
The kid who asked for help never actually hurt anyone, he never did anything wrong on the forum, he just made a post asking for help.
Konrads on the other hand were openly hostile towards homosexuals, he left fake trade rep on people (this can hurt someone who's into trading), ignored rules despite multiple warnings and would go out of his way to be a thorn in peoples side if they had blacklisted him (this was why I blacklisted him in the first place, and it was before his whole "Everyone who supports gay rights should backlist me" thing). Also, Konrads is, if he is to be believed, not a kid anymore, he's an adult (21 or 22 years old, if my memory serves).
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Konrads on the other hand were openly hostile towards homosexuals
And that's what a lot of users keep forgetting.
I "love" how people think, that all the hate generated towards him came from some broken site rules and that "playing for profitz" crap.
Because obviously saying that all LGBT people and their supporters should burn can in no way hurt anyone. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit, if those were his true opinions or if it was simply his pathetic attempt of 4chan-like humor, such behaviour should be not be tolerated in any at least semi-civilized place, SG included.
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i would like an answer.
i don't understand your reply in relation to my post.
and when you call someone illiterate you should at least spell it right.
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Pardon me for wording mistake you realized it after 15 minutes and i was doing fast typing
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i blacklisted him for his win /sent ratio.
This is steam "Gifts" enough said i think.
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i still don't understand your comment.
i think its a pretty good idea to blacklist someone with a win sent ratio of 300/10
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i don't think so
this site is not made for business also there is no any specific rule to blacklist someone by their ratio and because of you people (globally) blacklist is being misused ,
anyway its up to you whom you want to whitelist or BL.
and i can clearly see not accepting what everyone believes makes you a person out of community
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blacklist is being misused
You know, BL can't be misused. BL is there for you to decide that someone shouldn't be able to win your game. It doesn't matter what your reasons are, it's your own decision.
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there is no any specific rule to blacklist someone
Correct. There is no rule about what someone can, or can't be blacklisted. A system without rules can't be misused, as there is no standard rules to follow.
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a guy blacklisted a guy because he was saying too much thanks in his giveaways >:D
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And another person blacklisted me for giving too much - because then I can buy my own games for myself. Never mind that steamgifting that got me blacklisted. Others probably blacklisted me for me blacklisting them for not activating half of their wins.
Still, there is no rule about blacklists. One can loathe the other for their actions, but there is no misuse at any level.
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(And another person blacklisted me for giving too much ) this is even more creepy story :|
was i right in my own way about misusing xD?
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If we go morality, yes.
If we go site rules, no.
Site rules are valid for everyone, while morality, even simple lifestyle ones are not.
Just a little too more serious example:
Burka (full-body covering cloth, traditional to some arab groups, worn by women) is obviously the morally fitting cloth, according to them. While the majority of the world frowns upon it. So who's right? Morality is subject of subjectivity, while laws and rules are not.
So: In my opinion you're right by not liking the arguement behind the blacklist, but it's still a valid, legit choice of any user.
(Stopped blacklisting solely on ratio - as far as people are active / really trying, I never blacklist for them for ratio - unless it's piss-poor, like 2 given hundreds won, while owning newest AAA games. Too many people are trying to farm out the games with cards from SG)
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dont argue with him has probably the attention span of a goldfish.
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if we go morality: no
Afterall, morality is a personal set of principles of what is right or wrong, and not single set indentical for everyone )
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kid you should think more about what you write.
so for you its much more rational to blacklist someone who has an different opinion.
what rules are you talking about, there are no rules for blacklisting.
i can blacklist whoever i want.
and your last sentence doesnt make any sense.
"not accepting what everyone believes"
i blacklist leechers.
you should too.
you just like to randomly accuse people.
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oh sorry i forgot creepy/awful language makes you a kid
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no its not your language. i curse here all the time.
i think that you are a kid because you just randomly attacked me for no reason.
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be happy, you are now the first person i blacklist for being an ass.
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You're right on all counts but I like to add that concerning konrads homophobia that it's of the worst degree I have personally seen here on SG.
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Comparing Suicide Kid and konrad is like comparing murder to me backslapping my friend in pub.
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No, some kid who made a thread about his depression and suicide thoughts (which happened long time ago on SG, I think 2-4 years ago) allegedly ended up killing himself. Now OP is saying that the fact so many people here weren't fond of kondrad and mocked him every now and then plus the perm ban could have pushed him to suicide, which doesn't make much sense.
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I think Konrads was just a troll. And we feed him..
There is a difference between some kid who needs help, and someone who trolls others for fun.
He could even be 30yo, sitting in his appartement and laughing his ass off.
Never got into his threads arguing, so I don't feel bad, but I think he is gone for good.
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Help, people are mocking me on the internet and I can't just go away.
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You can always commit suicide. Take that into consideration, it's a great option. I could make you a list of all the possible ways.
Don't hate me for my bad humour :D
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It's still called cyber-bullying and, even though you and me and many others can't be affected by it, there are some people that may get affected by it.
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But in all honesty.... you can just go away or go to another site. If a person can't deal with something simple like that, then they shouldn't go on the internet. It's like someone weightlifting, but instead of lifting what they can, they just put on 300lbs extra and then die since it fell on their neck. It's their damn fault. Humans can decide for themselves. If they can't, then their family should ensure that it's accounted for.
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Yeah, but you're using a wrong example. It's not like he decided to put 300 lbs extra. It's like SOMEONE ELSE decided to put 300 lbs extra and make him lift it. You shouldn't force him to "carry the weight of being bullied". Even though you can ban a weightlifter for using anabolics, you can't go around telling him to add 300 lbs more and then lift them, then laugh at him when he tries to lift the weight or when it fells on his neck.
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But I don't think it is the wrong one, since it's obvious what forums are what. If you have suicidal thoughts, you know where to go. If you want to talk about video games, you know where to go. If you want a specific topic, you know where to go. He went to the wrong place to talk about the topic that he wanted to talk about. It's him choosing the wrong thing and getting bit because of it.
And as Slyfon said, you can just leave. That's the great thing. You can leave the site and no one can come looking for you / won't come looking for you.
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What is this wrong place that he visited? Steamgifts was the wrong place to visit because..........? What? Did it become a bullying site, instead of a giveaway site? Shouldn't steamgifts have a friendly community that also likes to give away games? So, it was wrong that he visited a giveaway site? I really don't understand what you mean? And as I said above, even though you can just leave and don't care about what people on the internet say about you, it's STILL called cyber-bullying and, even though you and me and many others can't be affected by it, there are some people that may get affected by it.
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Come on man. I'm talking about this place not being a suicide watch. Do you really want people to make this into a site where it's only politics and suicide threats? I'd like this site to be about Steam, gifting, games, movies, pop culture and overall fun stuff. Obviously a few serious threads are necessary, but I wouldn't want to go to the thread page and see "Trump sux"; "Clinton sux"; "Bernie sux"; "Gonna kill myself bye"; "Brazilian politics and you"; "Suicide and how you suck as a human being" and so on. But again, this is not my site, I don't own it. I have no real right to just say: "This is what I want, so this is what will happen".
Changing the internet and the human race will be a tough endeavor. Good luck to you on it. You're just trying to change the way the Earth revolves around the sun. It's a psychological thing that can never be silenced. All we can do is start massbanning people that we don't agree with and I would not like that. But again, it's just me, I might be alone in this.
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So, if you were being an @sshole and kept breaking the rules, that would give me the right to call you out and publicly humiliate you? Guidelines say that: "If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum". Ok, maybe it's in the human nature to hurt other people's feelings, as you may say, but it's still against the site rules. If the site wants to ban him, as long as they have proof that he actually broke the rules, then they can ban him. And, by the way, if you see a thread about a person that wants to kill himself, you can't just tell him to go away because this isn't a site about suicides. It's common courtesy to help him before it's too late.
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Yeah, you should tell me if I'm breaking the site's rules. Not obviously make a different thread to just mock me. That wasn't done for Konrads either. All the calling out on other threads that we really did was here. You should tell me if I broke a rule, please do. I don't want another member to get banned because someone might say that telling them they did something wrong is horrible. Also, yeah that suicide thread was badly handled, but you also can't expect people to just turn into Florence Nightingales all of a sudden.
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As I told in my other comment, of course I should warn you about breaking a rule. But they didn't warn him. They just mocked him and hate him. I'm pretty sure that I saw people referring to his name in quite a few threads, even though those threads weren't made by konrads6, so please, don't tell me that you never saw people calling him out or mocking him. I don't expect them to become psychologists or something and magically save everyone, but the least is they can do is avoid mocking people and try to help them. The funny thing is that I've actually heard about Florence Nightingale in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. :P xD
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It's almost like you want the internet to not be the internet.
Random websites unrelated to mental health are not the place to seek mental health assistance when you are at your last thread. The kid who jumped in front of a train in Oakland two years ago was deeply disturbed and yes the response could have been better but he needed the help of a professional. I read the article about him. His classmates and friends had no idea he was in such desperate need of intervention and neither did those who responded to him here. Even so, some people here gave him some good advice.
As for konrad, I didn't see that mess, but based upon how people have responded here it seems like the two situations aren't analogous other than you don't like the response both of them received. The kid who killed himself reached out for help in a place and in a manner that many were unlikely to take seriously. konrad seems to have had a tantrum about the status of his account here. One resulted in tragedy and the other resulted in SG memes. They're not related.
And if you're ashamed of the community I don't know what to tell you other than put your broad brush away so you can nail the fine details.
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Just like I said in another thread, I never bully anyone. Everyone is entitled to a different opinion and, as long as they don't offend anyone, they are free to believe in whatever they want. Now, about konrads6, I agree with you. Some people here try to call themselves as good people and shit, just because they are giving away games, but still, they don't even have the common courtesy to answer to someone in a polite way. Someone may open a thread that is against the rules and, most of the people, instead of warning them, they just laugh at them or something like that. Someone may express an opinion and some people are like "Blacklisted, because you have a different opinion than me and only my opinions are right"! Some people are saying that are against bullies, but they become the bullies themselves, just because they think that, the person that they bully, had it coming and deserved it. If konrads6 was in the same school as you, by being your classmate, and he was trolling around, would you mock him just because of his attitude? And then you would consider yourself a nice person or even a neutral person? Sorry, man or woman, but you wouldn't be a nice person at all, but exactly the opposite. It's funny that, when are being bullied, it's always wrong and unfair (and it's obviously wrong and unfair), but when we are the bullies, then the victim deserved it because of reasons. I've also stated one more important thing! Isn't calling out against the rules? When you were calling out konrads6, even though he may had done something against the rules, was it justified? Wasn't it against the rules too? It was simply calling out, but nobody from the support ever told you anything, because konrads6 was the "easy" victim, you know, the black sheep. So, whatever konrads6 did, a lot of the people's attitude against him was totally unjustified AND against the rules! ;) Σωστά τα λέω; :P
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I mean, I'm not going to call myself good. I think most people wouldn't call themselves good, but I am neutral. Yeah, Konrads was spamming, accusing without basis, attacked others, begged to be unblacklisted and all. I and many others called him out, he got finally thrown out. That's all that happened really. Dicks exist everywhere, no need to blame SG for having some hateful community.
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I don't know everything that he did. Still, nobody can decide what must happen to him, except if he is a support member. Just by doing bad things to a bad person, you don't become good yourself. Till now, everyone was calling out konrads6 and mocking him. How is this justified?
- Eeeehhh, but he was doing bad things.
- Like what? Eating babies?
- Ehm, no. He was doing things that are against the rules.
- So this gives you the right to mock him and call him out? Is this a nice behavior?
- No, but it's also not nice to do things that are against the rules.
- Isn't calling out also against the rules? Isn't cyber-bullying against the rules? And also, are you a support member and you get the right to decide his fate? You aren't the one to decide what must be done with him.
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Again, no one said that they're good. I'm neutral. I'm not bad not good but neutral.
How was it justified? Ok, let's go through them:
- He spammed the forums
- He threw out baseless accusations like SGTools being spyware
- He begged people to remove him from their blacklists
- Mocked gay people and basically was a bigot
- He told people that they should die because they blacklisted him
- Accused people of scamming him
- Made false trade feedback
- He also leaked links to hidden GAs....
- This is not an offense, but just a dick move. He BLd people that disagreed with him. It's his choice, so I won't use it against him. Just a thing that I don't respect him for.
He also broke other rules that I don't even know about....
No he didn't eat babies, but he broke so many rules and was just let off so many times. Remember the thread "My family account's been suspended, unsuspend him!"? That's obviously completely fine then.
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I already commented about that. I know that he did things against the rules, but we aren't the ones to decide his fate. Support members are the ones that are able to decide his punishment on this site. Neither you nor me. Of course, you have every right to accuse him when he is saying something that is actually offending (mocking people, death threats, etc.), but you can neither call him out nor mock him just because he broke the rules.
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Well, I think we all know that most comments were just trying to show him that what he's doing is wrong. That's all people did. The idea of there being just a mass of death threats or something is a bit exaggerated.
"you have every right to accuse him when he is saying something that is actually offending (mocking people, death threats, etc.), but you can neither call him out nor mock him just because he broke the rules."
Look, about this... yeah, people got out of hand and I don't like it either. But I guess we should then just let him break the rules and not remind him that he's doing something wrong? Should we not warn people about not begging on the site and to close down a thread like that before he gets suspended? Is that too aggressive now? No, I don't think it is, but I'm not the owner of the site/mod/admin/support. Maybe I have broke millions of rules by now and for some reason am still here. I don't know. It is a possibility.
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Reminding someone that is doing something wrong is like that: Begging is against the rules and maybe I'll even report you for this (that's just an example).
Ok, if he says something very offending, you can be like: Shut the f@ck up! You're talking nonsense.
You can even swear at him if he swears at you, obviously.
But most people were like this: Hehe, look at the latest thread of konrads6. Here comes the suspension. How many blacklists will you get after making this thread? Look at his photo. Nobody cares about you. We don't like you here. You're pathetic, etc.
Actually, this was the "polite" version of how they were treating him. It was just an example.
As I said above, of course you must warn someone about doing something that is against the rules, but no need to mock him, except if he offends you, so then you can accuse him. But still, don't call him out, because that's against the rules, along with cyber-bullying.
And I'm saying all these things although I'm mostly insensitive (except when it comes to animals). How can a lot of other people be worse than me and act like that? xD It's just that I have common sense, common courtesy, and I can feel guilt if I do something wrong.
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Yeah, but that comes down to people just getting sick of it. He never listened and kept on doing it. Everyone was nice to him at first, but he didn't listen, so we tried it the hard way and that worked.
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I don't know what happened at first and if people indeed were treating him nicely, but still, if he wasn't listening and kept breaking the rules, why didn't support ban him earlier? And how exactly has the hard way worked? Because you kept mocking and feeding the troll in order to persuade him to break even more rules? It would have worked if you would have persuaded him to change his "ways". But nevermind, I can't make everyone become polite. That's actually another people's job. :P
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People need to learn you cannot be an asshole to everyone then play the "I'm neing bullied" card when patience runs out.
Especially not on the internet. Anonymity brings out everyone's worst qualities (konrad seems like a prime example) so don't go counting on sympathy.
Or am I talking to his "family account" now?
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"As long as his actions never hurt anyone" - his actionds never hurt anyone?
- What about all the people he was saying vulgar homophobic slurs about in gay marriage topic?
- What about the people that heard from him they should die and other "nice" things?
- What about people he stalked and offended on their steam profiles?
- What about people he was giving a fake trade feedback accusing of being scammers not getting their trades because of him?
- What about people who had their puzzles and GA events leaked by him? Sometimes basically meaning hours of work going to shitter.
The list goes on and on. konrad was not some innocent kid looking for attention - he was constantly breaking rules and thus hurting other users. He got what he deserved. May he Rest in Pieces.
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Oh and finally as for permaban reason:
- What about the fair users owning just one account, who lost GAs because of his multiaccounting and his multiaccounts winning?
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typical with this kind of people ;) When they see actual meaningful counterargument to their opinion they will simply ignore it and will pretend they never noticed it while posting multiple answers to both comments above and below ;)
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if you still want yo look like a saint.
you might want to point out, judging by his reasoning and age, there's a chance we laughed at someone who is mentally impaired. Though if he wanted attention, we atleast devoted our time to him
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complete and utter bullshit. sorry, no more Mr nice guy.
you are free too leave this community when ever you feel like it. or at least be quite about it.
i love the smell of BL in the morning
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This is shameful if that suicide informing was true
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it is. and no one did something. The kid was saying he will commit suicide and users of SG mocked and laughed at him. He even wrote on reddit and one even told him "go do it"
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The internet isn't exactly a good place for those who are mentally unstable.
Lots of the SG users thought he was joking, since he included his post with the game Binding of Isaac. I hope they learned their lesson if they saw the thread with their 'joking' post.
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pity on that kid asking help from and trusting dead creatures of internet
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That guy is full of shit
Several people tried to help the kid and told him to seek help in the right places. Considering that most people dont even recognize depression has a mental illness and most users here are under 18, it could have been much worse
I believe Hustlayo, was one of the members who tried to help. What more could a community like this have done?
And here we are defending a well known homophobe, i feel people like him make others suffer from depression
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agreed with every thing you said about depression.
it was too hunted by it and realized its matter of time and internet people ain't real humans, maturity comes with age and sg community is mostly matured.
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Yeah... it's an open forum. Is your issue that people aren't all friendly? I mean, I don't like it either, but calling them out for it as if it were a crime or their responsibility is kind of insane.
Look, I get what you're trying to say, there are unstable people out there, but there are suicide hotlines and forums. They can go there, this isn't the place for it.
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...and no one did [any]thing.
I suggest you go back and reread the topic/thread.
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no it is not. read fnord comment above. i heard the same thing.
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I'm ashamed of what SG has turned into.
A while ago we had a case of a kid who was seeking attention and assistance from SG community. The community not only denied to help him but some users went further and mocked that kid. Later on we were informed that the kid committed a suicide.
Now we have konrads, another kid seeking for attention. I was expecting that the community had learned its lesson but i'm sadly surprised that it hasn't. Many of you who blamed the users who mocked the child on the first case, did the exact same thing with konrads. Mocking, mocking and mocking. Idc what he did. Of course he was in my BL all along but this does not mean i have the right to mock him. As long as his actions never hurt anyone, there is absolutely no reason for someone to mock him.
It was more than obvious that konrads was seeking for attention. Why you had to mock those intentions of him? Could you not understand what he was trying to accomplish or were you more "stupid" than konrads was? Is it so hard to let a person like him be? Just add him to your BL and pretend like he is not even there but do not, DO NOT, bully him!
And i'm asking all of you the "kind", "benevolent" and "open-hearted" users of SG, what if konrads does the same thing as the kid from the first case did? What if your mocking, your cyber-bullying (cyber-bullying is a misdemeanor crime) did so much harm to him that eventually it pushed him towards a suicide and we have a repetition of the sad history? No one considered that scenario or you simply did not care?
Today, i'm ashamed to be part of this community. You blamed me (correctly and rightfully) when i openly expressed my opinion against gay marriages, yet you do not blame yourselves for your latest actions?
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/YCRqM/my-last-words-on-steam-and-to-everybody-this-thread-is-not-trolling-it-serious
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/1fytN/how-much-has-the-steamgifts-community-matured#CyVbV9D
http://www.inquisitr.com/1028357/bart-fatality-16-year-old-fausto-delgado-killed-by-train/
PsyKo found the links
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