So even if you were deaf you wouldn't be in silence because your inner voice is in control why do you think it told you to blacklist all those people!! So the only thing you hear is it!
You have been conned by the great voice!
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You are not right. It's not childish. For example I was blacklisted by a lot of people because I sad, that women-drivers are evil. And now I know that a lot of pheminists will not get my GA. So blacklisting is good
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https://www.steamgifts.com/about/faq
"It's important to note that blacklists work two-ways."
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Not by Librarian of Ankh-Morpork Unseen University =)
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Yep. As said AdamZombie - BL work both side - I can't get their GA and they can't get my.
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You're obviously trolling, looking for reactions, whether you actually believe the insanely idiotic things you say or not. Not going to fall for your bait, I'm just going to call you out. You must have some serious issues in your life that you seek to put random people on the internet down. I suggest you figure out what that is and start working on yourself, instead of actively looking for someone to take out your frustrations on. You have to be feminist to oppose hatred against women..? OK. Impeccable logic there. I see you claim to be from Turkey. That explains your sexist views, which you'll rarely ever find in more developed countries.
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That's your opinion.
"I see you claim to be from Turkey. That explains your sexist views,". And this words explains your idiotism. Because, I'm not a turk, I wasn't born In Turkey and I didn't educate or grow here.
So, who is troll now?
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We are both just expressing our opinions here.
Oh, you really got me there. Not. That doesn't invalidate anything of what I said, actually. Maybe you moved there because you relate to some of the men's belief that they are superior to women, for instance. Of course, I'm not saying "all the men," or anything like that, it's just a fact that Turkey is behind in the world in terms of gender equality.
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Damn, Look like your surname is Andersen. Because you are good in composing fairy tales.
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I'm not virtue signaling at all. By your logic I could say the same thing to you, that you're the one virtue signaling. "Hey, look at me, I'm against virtue signaling." That's a popular opinion, which I also share, btw.
You call me xenophobic for pointing out something that is considered a fact by many and still you call me the virtue signaling one? Ironic. That's exactly what virtue signaling SJWs do - call others xenophobic, racist, transphobic, etc, for pointing out facts and statistics. It shouldn't be necessary for me to defend myself against such ridiculous name calling, because I haven't said anything to imply that I have anything against people from Turkey. But since people like you will assume the absolute worst about people I'll do it anyway. I'm not at all against people from Turkey, or any other country. I'm an egalitarian.
So why did you feel the need to defend this guy who claimed that women drivers are evil? Do you share his view? Are you a friend of his and have personal bias?
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I see you claim to be from Turkey. That explains your sexist views, which you'll rarely ever find in more developed countries.
And that comment explains your biggotry, which you usually find in "more developed" countries.
True we Turks are not doing great on gender equaliity right now but we're working on it. We have laws which promote positive discrimination for women. We're trying to increase percentage of women in education and employment.
The most immediate problem we have right now is violence against women. World Health Organization data say 38% of women in Turkey are subject to violence from a partner in their lifetime, compared to about 25% in Europe. Despite we passed a law on preventing violence against women judges in courts (who are mostly men of course) don't really implement them.
What I'm trying to say is while we have our problems in the said subject you can't just say someone is sexist just because of their country.
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And that comment explains your biggotry, which you usually find in "more developed" countries.
How is that biggotry exactly? Maybe I said it in a politically incorrect or insensitive way, and I'm sorry if you found it offensive, but that doesn't make it biggotry. I didn't mean to offend people from Turkey. Again, I was just pointing out something that you yourself even agree with. You agree with me and yet you call me a bigot. That doesn't really make sense. Again, I'm genuinely sorry if my comment was insensitive, but I don't have any intolerance against people based on where they live.
What I'm trying to say is while we have our problems in the said subject you can't just say someone is sexist just because of their country.
I didn't. I called him sexist because he said that women drivers are evil. I just wasn't exactly surprised that such an opinion would be held by someone from Turkey, because statistically speaking it's more likely that someone from Turkey will have sexist ideas than, say, my country, Norway. That's not biggotry, nationalism, pride, or anything like that, I'm actually not a nationalistic person at all. It's just me pointing out something that I consider fact. I assume everyone knows the meaning of the word "evil," but in case not, since we're all from different parts of the world, here's the first one I found by googling: "Profoundly immoral and wicked."
Anyway, I'm not trying to fight or argue with anyone. Let's just have a civil discussion.
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Bigotry can mean any form of intolerance or prejudice. And when you say "I see you claim to be from Turkey. That explains your sexist views" it reads you're from Turkey so you should be sexist which is in my opinion sounds quite like prejudice. And when you say "which you'll rarely ever find in more developed countries." it implies your holier than thou aproach.
I don't get offended because I'm from Turkey or anything. I don't like it when Turks have this kind of aproach to Kurds either. I just don't get it when people find the need to insert ethnicity/race/country card when they claim to have a civil discussion.
Also I honestly detest nationalism. I believe people should be evaluated as individuals. Not as a part of race, nation etc.
Edit: I'm not trying to fight anyone either. I just wanted to point out your aproach is wrong. At least that is what I think.
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Well, welcome to my blackli—
[LOOKS AT PROFILE]
Oh, you give away some good games.
Have a nice day :D
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What shitstorm? O_O
I'm nice to nice people and I don't recall being rude to you or anyone else. I just can't stand erratic or iffy behaviour for reasons you made up in your mind.
I don't even know what triggered you but it's fairly easy for you to rage over nonsense.
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it's fairly easy for you to rage over nonsense.
I don't disagree that I probably have some psychological issues, but we all have our problems.
However, I don't make giveaways as an excuse to be somebody that I am. I don't pretend to be a nice person. The reason I give back to the community was because I liked it here. Doing giveaways in a discussion allows for more interaction, as well as providing a ever so slight filter for people who also want to be part of said community.
You went out of your way to call me a bitch, and that's uncalled for. Hence why I said to fuck off. I mean, wtf dude, leave me in peace.You're one of the few people I thought knew me better than anyone here, after I opened up somewhat, and then you turn around and say something like that. I don't make giveaways an excuse.
If you have access to the closed thread, then read my conversation with icaio where I've been basically laughed at for being a hypocrite and hassled for blocking someone who is apparently nice (I don't recall having any direct dealings with them, so I can't say - but they do seem nice). It seems I'm not a good judge of character, but being hassled by people I actually liked, just goes to show this place is more messed up than I thought.
And here it all is, for everyone to read. I've dug my hole. Enjoy your life.
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Other than that, the rest of the comments seem generally positive, respectful and understanding in regards to the blacklisting.
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Not really, maybe to your surprise, but not until the existence of automated blacklists flawlessly selecting all incompatible members and dropping them into an ignore list.® (not unless you blacklist all but one member on this site and the doesnt like you...now that would be ironic...kinda funny)
Blacklist or No Blacklist, it doesn't persuade or discourage people from taking things seriously, or challenge anyone's opinion...it serves one purpose and thats all it does
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Thanks for the words, Dano. I still don't quite understand what icaio was getting at, but you may be right about the language barrier.
The fact I hang out in the forums here means I genuinely do like and want to be around you guys. I know I'm hard to get on with, but when I take the effort to show my appreciation for this community, (amongst them, some nice games specifically bought that hadn't been regularly seen here, just for the giveaway) only for the ones I least expected to give me a hard time, do, then what?
As icaio said, "it totally looks like a bunch of extra-work for you". Curating the giveaway was the extra-work I didn't expect the rude comment. Was it rude? He posted that comment before Vee commented, and yet he used that as his excuse...
Is there something wrong in my life? Yep, everything is wrong. I thought making some other people happy might make me happy though. Guess I was wrong.
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Decided to go looking for your previous thread, thought it would help me understand the nutty tone and language on both comments. only to discover that thread also made a 180 degree turn and the user above isnt even there XD
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if you won and didn’t say “thank you”, it doesn’t matter if you did this computer or yourself, and you just consume or live in some closed group, you are blacklisted
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for you, apparently, even an avatar and games you do not like can contribute to the black list)))
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https://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines
"User avatars should be appropriate for all ages. If you have a NSFW Steam avatar, please change it prior to using the site."
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если стим поддержка напишет, что не удовлетворяет правилам, поменяю
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i am in no way telling you to change it, just linking a guideline
some may find it offensive, however, i do not...
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The idea behind it. Artists is trying to achieve something else than what you're suggesting. Pornographer is trying to achieve exactly that (and thus, doesn't care about composition, focus, lighting, negative space and other aspects of photography beyond the "can the thingy bee seen well enough").
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The pornographer probably cares, since there is more competition than ever and his job depends on it.
The industry is not where it was in the 70s
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Maybe nudity isnt allowed on this site, but i´m sure in some cases its allowed^^ for example when its art like the pictures below. the only reason to not look at them on work is cause you have to work and not to waste time on the internet ;)
there is a difference between art, porn and pictures for education...
art: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/%27Adam%27s_Creation_Sistine_Chapel_ceiling%27_by_Michelangelo_JBU33cut.jpg
art: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arte_greca,_giovane_vittorioso,_300-100_ac._02.JPG
education (vulva): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Figure_28_02_02.jpg
not allowed: anything from youporn or any hentai and so on^^ but in the end a mod has to decide if a pic is porn or not. sometimes its not easy but sometimes it is^^
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i just wanted to explain, that a naked person isnt forbidden in general. nudity is part of many cultures, art and history. and its not allways just to let people fap to it
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not gernally. but pictures of art or for education are no problem^^
in the rules are just written, that nsfw pictures shouldnt not be posted but if you do, you have to warn others
"If you're posting anything that may be considered NSFW (not safe for work), please prefix any links or images with a NSFW tag to warn others."
ofc a avatar would be a problem, if its considered as nsfw as you couldnt warn others. the question just is, if it is nsfw. and as nudity dosnt need to be nsfw (as shown in some pictures). the avatar might be ok. but in the end just a mod can decide if it is nsfw or not^^
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nope, i´m arguing cause not every nudity picture is nsfw... but ok, i guess there is nothing more to say from us. i will stop arguing.
have a nice day <3
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It isn't nsfw.
Its only a butt, in a tiny picture format, not more not less. In the end you need to crawl into that picture to see that it is a naked butt
I see it as art and i reported in the past different Avatars that i would describe as "adult stuff". Only a part of the users were punished for it AND the avatars were never removed from the support [one showed a little girl with a condom in her mouth. Sure the account were perma suspended but i don't understand why the avatar were not removed].
To give you a example what were ok. A female that shown her breasts in a white top/shirt that was wet (so you seen all in the end).
So, did you think then a black and white art backside of a female will be seen as nsfw/too hard ?
As a sidenote, i have no problem with nsfw. At work too because i have other things to do at work as to be in a privat site to do my stuff.
That have to wait till my worktime is over.
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did you reported them here or on steam as well? cause steamgifts just copies the avatar so maybe they cand change it if its nsfw and maybe steam has other guidelines, dont know.
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i wonder if the supportmember are able to delete an avatar or at least to change it. thats the only possibility i can imagine why they didnt removed it.
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If you are into religion ... maybe god or however you call him/her/it. Because "he" made you naked AND made the stupid people too that later call it unnatural and harmful... but run around with weapons, kill, destroy the nature and often let their kids look at movies and series that don't fit to their age (only to name one thing)
Naked people don't kill other ones and can't hide weapons.
If you aren't into religion than maybe sue each one that act strange if you are naked outside and don't harm someone with it.
And yes i make about such serious stuff, partly, jokes too or at least try to wrap the message into a joke that the one or other can swallow it better.
Ps.: If you praise me enough i make space for you besides me in MY heaven ;o)
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I am a atheist too or better a agnostic one (so i think it give something above us, lets call it Gaia -to give it a name that maybe someone can get a connection to-, only a "Energy").
So no harm for me in any way ;o)
My sarcasm should be able to be seen at the last post too ;o) or ?
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Glad you're so much better than them because you don't show ass and you gave away some games that aren't trash with some that are. We shall be in awe of your bundle buying addiction and game hoarding,us peons so wish we could have tons of games we never will play just to brag about it.
At least they gave something some people win good stuff and never give a thing, but that doesn't matter either this site is supposed to be about giving instead some of us judge each other by the quality of games or lack of giving because clearly a site built on the idea of giving is not about giving but about quality of gifts.
Still thank you both for giving,and I may end up on a black list but that is fine by me,I gave the games I didn't want and hopefully to a good home if not it sure in heck better then just sitting there unredeemed. I don't really buy bundles anymore and why I haven't given anything in ages as I now only buy bundles with stuff I want and I rarely do that now.
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• As Adam pointed out, his avatar isn't age appropriate based on SG site rules, so I'm not sure why you're defending this.
The fact he gives away shitty games is not really the reason I blacklisted him.
As for game hoarding, cool story, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that out. You're not wrong that I buy lots of games, more than I'll realistically ever play. Do I play games? Yep, a lot. But then again, you likely haven't played all the games you have in your steam library either, so don't judge me for the same thing you're guilty of... unless you were trying to make an ironic point about yourself?
As for my comment about MULTIPLE crappy bundles just to give them away - I'd rather buy one bundle to giveaway at least ok games. The fact the OP does this is up to them, but I was giving a reason why some people blacklist people. Just because I give away a lot of (sometimes better) games doesn't make me better than you or phantomvictory, or anyone else.
Should I blacklist you? Do you want me to? I don't have a reason to, unless you were truly wanting to cause offence, in which case let me know, and I can blacklist you to make you feel better.
I don't really buy bundles anymore and why I haven't given anything in ages as I now only buy bundles with stuff I want and I rarely do that now.
I have also cut down on my bundle buying, but as you mentioned, I AM still an addict, just slightly more selective now.
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There is nothing wrong with buying bundles, buy all you want. I just wanted to show that anyone can judge people,it's far easier to find fault in people then it is to find the good. The good is they at least made an attempt to give back even if it wasn't "your approved give away games".
It's far easier to pass judgment though then to stop and think we all have different ideas and views and faults. You could have just said you don't approve of the avatar and moved on. You instead also took the time to also take a jab at them personally about the games they gave away and made it personal for no reason other than just because you can.
So ass is a no go because it's not age-appropriate, then how can any kid be allowed to watch movies based on comics, after all, Batman beats up on the mentally ill, the same ones Joker preys upon to do his own bidding. Yeah clearly seeing a bare ass that you have to take the time to notice is sending the wrong message! I had to actually look at the avatar just to notice it.
Last you still take the time to be asinine by asking if I want to be blacklisted, either do it or don't I don't care if you blacklist me.I'm not here to tell you how to run your blacklist nor do I care how you do. Let's be honest most use it to block those who have different views and opinions than them. I may make an ass of myself or otherwise, say stupid stuff but I have never personally attacked or insulted anyone on here yet I still got blacklisted. It's fine by me people want to be petty more power to them, I use the blacklist to keep the rift raft out, the ones that are total jerks or break rules having an opinion that isn't aligned with mine is not one of those reasons.
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Well I hadn't really been on since then, but I don't consider a week that old when it's also around holiday time and people tend to be busier.
Anyhow, we are just sharing our opinions and as I said before thanks for giving back. I have no hate or anything toward you I just don't agree with how you handled some of your response and just wanted to share, anyhow yes it's been 3 days but happy holidays to you anyhow.
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Not everyone wants to have pictures of naked men instead just to please you.
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Eh, people can do whatever they want, and they have their reasons, who am I to judge? But you also are free to complain about anything you want ;) and if people get upset about you getting upset over people getting upset, it's all good. It's a never ending cycle ;P
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To counter all the BL you will get for making any post in this forum i WL you :P
I also don't BL anyone as I know that when people speak in english I'm not always 100% sure I get them correctly or that they get what I wanted to say the right way. No point in BL people that don't agree with me on some topics as we can agree on other topics and it is always good to hear different opinions and thoughts than my own and my close friends so I won't be stuck in echo chamber.
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i was here when the black/white lists were added and they seem to still be discussed today
i, myself, don't have a use for them
i do understand the need they fulfill for some users
i don't take being on either list as a negative nor positive
simply just another way for a giveaway to be handled by the person giving
it's their choice and who am i to determine their free will and decisions...
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Your problems are the same as i have with the public GA's but that someone demand his key nearly direct after the GA end excluded. I don't had problems because of that and when someone make "trouble/stress", without a reason like "i am soon away for a 1 week+ travel", he will wait for sure 6 days till i deliver it. Yes i am a evil guy and sadistic too^^
And yes, as lower as the level pick is as higher are the problems in general.
At the moment i am at lvl 3 restriction for public GA's but from my last around 15 public GA winners i had 11 people that came onto my BL because of their statistics (22 given : 411 won as example, mostly in combination with last GA made 2-3 years ago but still each day around to win -i think one win from me is then enough for them-), 8 of the winners had red marks at sgtools, a big part of them don't know a thanks after the win too and 2 with better statistics don't known the word "thanks" too.
So all in all from around 15 winners then 13 new ones for my BL.
And a lot of work for the support (reroll ticket checks) and me (made the GA's, controlled the winners, wrote the support tickets, run behind a part that the please take their wins, check their Profile, BL them).
And yes such a result don't give me a good feeling or great mood back and not really the motivation to make more of such GA's.
That is the reason why i make mostly group and/or whitelist GA's. There are the problems maybe 1% of the ones with the public GA's.
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When i known it before sure. But i never thought i would hit the max. of 1k users at my BL and been forced to raise the level. Ok i set it from 0 to 1 before my BL was full because it was easy to see that lvl 0 is complete infested with, at least, shady people (i would call a good bunch bot farms and multiaccounts).
And because i am a nice guy i really try to have the level as low as possible to close out as few as possible.
But yes, maybe would a step directly to lvl 4, for public GA's, a better way to end problems with, still, a good bunch of winners.
I will think about it and maybe look how the next tests with level 3 work before i decide final.
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What's the purpose of a feature if people can't use it? If you're trying to make a "movement" again blacklisting, you can forget that - no person can convince an entire website to stop doing a thing. Until cg himself removes the feature of blacklists, you will not achieve anything to prevent people from making use of blacklists.
I personally don't like the general idea of blacklists due to how much drama it generates and the negative effects it has on the community outweigh the benefits. But I understand how/why some people may appreciate the feature, and I decide to respect that while, even myself, have a couple dozen people blacklisted (the majority of which are already permanently banned from SG, but I'm too lazy to clean up the list).
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Looking for some people to add to my whitelist, as long as you add me to yours (you must do lots of awesome whitelist-only giveaways, even though I don't, and will secretly remove you from my whitelist when I can see I've been added to yours).
Said no-one ever.
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i'll confirm this one, bunk threads, get to pressing a bunk...
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Wait so you're saying that when you said thank you to the giveaway creator after winning they blacklisted you and that not saying thanks has decreased the number of blacklist you are receiving, that doesn't seem right unless I completely misunderstood what you are saying...
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I've myself been blacklisted for saying "Thank you" after winning a giveaway. I'm not saying it's for certain the reason they blacklisted me, but there are definitely people who dislike getting notifications.
And I'm also one of those people who doesn't care if a winner comments (at all, unless they throw a fit about others not saying thank you then don't do so themselves), as long as they mark the feedback properly (received/not received).
Different strokes for different folks.
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I was more surprised because he seemed to be saying that it was a recurrent thing but I guess you're right it could have happened several time. I don't personally blacklist for not saying thank you in fact I barely use my blacklist. but I do like when the winner leave a comment.
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Maybe your statistics of send/won and/or last made GA or no thanks after a win are the reason for that.
People are "sensitive" at that things.
You aren't at my BL but only because i don't make anymore lvl 1 GA's :-D (yes i am evil... oh and mad)
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ahah yeah i know thats one reason as well :D But no one said i must give away games i were doing it before when i could get some games for exchange for cards now i cant and my country not rly expansive where i could spend money for games instead of surviving,most of games i got was free,given away or gifts...
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Oh that winners are daily active, at least at sg and steam, ... but they don't grab the keys.
I have never made higher public Ga's as level 3.
From time to time i raise the level because i need from time to time space at my BL. 1k is the maximum and when it is full i am forced to raise the level for the public GA's and kick all under that level from my BL (autojoiner users and people that offended me excluded).
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Do you mind me asking how you keep track of them all? Do you have like a spreadsheet?
Seems like alot of work :/
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Oh i remember me very well on the few people. That are "only" around 25 left from them that aren't perma suspended ;o)
A good bunch of them are at higher levels, so i don't need to think at them till i raised the level so high that they can come theoretical from my BL. And when i then see, as example, a lvl 1 user that are already at my list then i think short about it and know then why he is still there.
I don't use some sort of extern list or notes to them.
Too much lifetime that i don't want to spend for them.
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No way, man, I'm not buying it! You just want to annoy the giveaway creator and make him wait until your tea is ready!
Steam is blocked on the network at work, but SG isn't, so I'm often on SG but cannot be on Stream (and thus cannot activate anything).
People are quick to assume the worst when they don't get the result they desire.
(Some people have lives outside this site, too, as hard as it might be for some people to believe.)
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Just stop the blacklisting people. It's childish and accomplishes nothing and will only leave you with anger and regrets. Don't be a tool!
I just felt like venting. I don't care if I get more blacklists for making this post.
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