I'm sorry you got suspended, I have been on SG for almost 3 months now and I started by doing level 0 GA. But slowly I started to put higher level because well probably similar reasons to yours. What really bother me though is that even if I make higher level GA, they are still a fair amount of people who can't be bother to take two seconds of their precious time to say thanks. When I win a GA, I feel the least I can do for someone who give me a game which they spend their hard earned money on, simply for the enjoyment of others, they deserve at the very least a thank you note from me. But beside doing whitelisted GA like you said (or small group one), I don't really see a better solution...
Good luck on your future GA:)
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a fair amount of people who can't be bother to take two seconds of their precious time to say thanks.
probably the several threads threatening to blacklist people as "bots" for thanking every giveaway has something to do with that :P
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I don't mean thanking just for entering, I'm talking about after winning and redeeming the game. I don't think someone would blacklist you for thanking them for the game they gave you... But just my opinion.
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He means once you win the giveaway. I don't blacklist for that, but I feel a bit sad when that happens :(
EDIT: I should refresh the page before posting a comment T_T
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That's about the only thing I blacklist for - if you can't say thanks after being gifted something you don't deserve to get more.
It's everything else I feel sad for :(
Rulebreaking I create a user report (even if there still hanging around months later).
Bad ratios - I have been skint/am skint/will be skint - try to give benefit of the doubt and hope they'll pay it forward here or IRL.
Being rude/having bigoted opinions/disagreeing with someone etc. - again benefit of the doubt (are they having a bad day? am I misinterpreting them?) + everyone is entitled to their own views, even if they are wrong >:-)
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so....sounds like it IS an option....just not one you can take more than a couple times and it comes with a small suspension in addition to the 'black mark on your record'
so it is a thing you can do, just do it carefully and after consideration if its worth it
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Repeated suspensions for the same infraction eventually become a ban, so at best it's a one- or two-time option. Not something that giveaway creators are allowed to do when they encounter a winner with a terrible rap sheet who has already been suspended.
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Interesting, never really thought of that... I guess post-giveaway stalking/reporting is the way to go.
Or whitelist-only. That works too.
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Suppose you could "accidentally" deliver a duped or fake key but I'm not going to condone that publicly. Maybe you got it from a trader or a key reselling store with a dodgy reputation that you've never had problems buying from before. How were you to know?
Still going to look suspicious after a while if it kept happening.
Edit: I've had a couple of reroll requests denied as the user had already served a suspension for their transgressions. Personally I was ok with the giving them the gifts then.
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I don't know what you meant at first
But then I read some of the replies
So, they refuse to accept the key & marked it as not received?
Well ungrateful ba- uhhh sorry for rude words xD
Maybe they'll accept it only if it's AAA game
But then
Why did you enter the giveaway if you don't want the game? :(
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Did you get suspended for what you mentioned?
Why did you feel that the winner didn't deserve to have won?
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many examples, afair in this case it was:
not activating won games multiple times
having multiple wins of the same game
having multiple negative trade feedback with things like spamming/harassing ppl just because they refused him a trade
not creating a single GA in over a year, while keeping entering and leeching out of community
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Were you suspended? Oh it sucks :(
Most people in the forums are nice people, I only have found a few of my winners being bad users. In public giveaways is differen tho :/
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Is this why you didn't enter my whitelist only GTA V and Fallout 4 giveaways that ran for just 1 day? Q.Q
Ok, it was a joke but 5 day suspension, seriously? Wow! I am sorry, Yirg!
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Aww, kids can't do a "holier than thou" anymore?
Once upon a time, SG wasn't just a circlejerk and people gave things away for the feels.
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Wait, it was? Must have been over six months ago. :)
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there is quite a big differtence between being entitled circlejerk and now wanting to give games you buiy with your own monies to multiple-times-regifter...
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What Zelg said.
Also there is a limit of, ekhem, 'feels' one can take. Like "where is my game" being first message received from the winner. Or "I regifted b/c it's crappy game", leaking puzzles and so on... No surprise that many ppl hide in private groups
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The only bad thing about a whitelist is, that many good people don't have the chance to win, just because a few screw up everytime
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I understand your point - I don't think that 5 days suspension is equal price for not activating/regifting won game. But, many people here (and support, what is more important) thinks differently. The giveaway creators isn't protected here at all(
Well, if you activate the key/gift for yourself, then technically - it's not "fake giveaway". It's "used key" or "gift no more available". It's a reason you can use to delete giveaway, so I believe it should be good enough to get "not received" without ban. You can always pretend you didn't knew about the problem. But, then again, I could be wrong with this.
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Well public giveaways are a bit troublesome sometimes.
Once I had a giveaway of mine finish, the first winner had won some games multiple times and had a non activated win, rerolled and the new winner had a non activated gift as well -.-
It happens, sadly
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Please edit this post to be less specific. I don't want this thread to be locked for what Support normally perceives as calling out (speaking from experience)...
Thanks!
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yeah, been suspended for that as well, I guess I never learn :p
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once I've had like 6 rerolls on a single GA before found a winner that could receive the game :D:
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I think it's an unfortunate part of this website. There are some very unpleasant and extremely dishonest people here who seem to have no morals at all. I'm personally just going with the blacklist at the moment though as I want to continue with public giveaways when I can afford them, any non bundled games that I giveaway in the future though I think are going to be either group only or whitelist only.
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if you'd like to blacklist all of these peeps you'd run out of BL spots after a few GAs ;p Look at this experiment - 6 GAs resulted in 802 people being added to blacklist. So almost full Blacklist (max number is 1000 users) from just a few GAs.
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That's crazy. I only tend to blacklist people who I find to be obnoxious or rule breakers so hopefully I have some time before I fill my list up.
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well most of ppl (including me) only chech Ga winner (if they bother checking at all). I'm pretty sure if we were to check every person that enters Ga, not just winners Blacklists would be full after really short time.
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This experiment proved me how bad things are. More than 600 entries in 1 hour for total crap game and dozens of Double Bagels blacklisted (see ga description).
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yeah - some time ago, when we were allowed to have custom rules in our GAs, I ran some forum event - don't remember ocassion, but there were private GAs for lvl 0-7, 10 GAs in total. Then I've had shitloads of rerolls in low lvl GAs and got angry and decided "screw it, anyone who didn't foillow the rules ends up on Blacklist". I had to resign - I didn't have enough blacklist spots.... and now consider that these were private GAs! Not public ones, ppl had to go into forums, click each and every link to enter each GA. And lvl 0-2 were 90-98% consisted of ppl who didn't follow simplest rules: Comment to enter and no history of non-activation/regifting.
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My experiments had similar results: 90% of the people simply don't read descriptions on public GAs. There was a "hidden" GA there, just the link, no other requirements like commenting or whatever. Still only around 10% entered that one, and that was with some min level attached..
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nice public GAs, haha.
Bump for making other people jelly :3
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I'm sorry you got suspended Yirg :(
Thanks for letting us know that there is no such option as "taking the not received".
That's very sad tho!
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Wow, that's the first time I see somebody suspended for this O.o
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if person was already suspended for his non-activation / regifting and it's more than 1 month since last time he broke the rules you will not get reroll - rerolls for non-activation are valid for 1 month only (well, since there is 7 days period for activation, they are actually valid for 3 weeks only)
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Ah didn't know that, this looks like it sucks.
Thanks puzzlemaster!
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yes it does - mainly because lvl 0 regifter wins once a month or two - so he has 7 days after he won, then best case scenario he gets caught after these 7 days immediatelly, gets 5 day suspension, so when he's back it's already 12 days gone from this 1 month period. almost a half. Unless he gets really lucky he probably wouldn't win anything in this 1 montgh anyway, because well - lvl0, public GAs, small chances - and when he finally wins something it will not get rterolled - he's not really getting any punishment at all.
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So best options for now are at least +1 lvl and private. Whitelist, closed group are definitely more safer.
Maybe support is planning to change things about these rules?
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Lvl 1 has as many if not more regifters as level 0 - because the moment lvl 0 regifts his 1st win he becomes lvl 1 ;) But I found out that sadly no lvl requirement makes you safe - bigger levels has lesser chance that your winner will be regifter, but thre chance is still there. Heck - I've had lvl 5 regifter winning my GA or even have lvl 10 blacklisted for other crimes - so like I said, lesser chance, but you can find bad apples at any level :(
And unlikely - there's been countless disscussions about changing rules since I joined the site 3 years ago and nothing changed in that matter so far ;p
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Made 5 copy GA for 1 lvl, ended with 2 approved rerolls bc of unactivated games xD
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have lvl 10 blacklisted for other crimes
woah, now I'm shattered, and there are like only 30-40 of those at all
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Yup. And one of them for example farmed lvl 10 blackmailing indie devs into giving him free keys, or otherwise he will use his big curator page to bash their games, have reviewers of his network write false negative reviews etc. There was a massive drama over it on SG and reddit.
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oh I know who you mean. But looking at his wins it doesn't really seem to have been worth that trouble..
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better safe then sorry ;) There's also another guy who never made public/private GA and boosted himself to lvl 10 on GAs for the same ond only group only ;) but the point is - lvl is not some definitive requirement - higher lvl means only smaller chance for bad apples, but on every level you may find someone worthy of BlasckListing ;p
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Agree, that's indeed the case. Unfortunately no easy solution around ^^
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What about here eventho i didnt make any recent GA's (trying to get at least 30+ games for my next train) ? :)
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Hey Yirg as always thank you for all your giveaways. ^ ^
Sorry to here you were suspended and for a reason I never heard of. I didn't know that "taking the not received" even existed.
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Well since I got the impression that you are often on a more thought provoking and maybe extreme side I have here a suggestion for your problem. It will not allow you to make public giveaways but invite only ones for all level. As written in the link: I am pretty sure support will not support such actions so it will probably have no effect at all. Also it is questionable from different standpoints. But basically it is "Enter at your own risk - agreement". And technically they have to give you the permission to enter so I'm not 100 % sure how support would react.
For my liking it is for both versions to extreme but I wanted to bring the idea out. Also it has a high uproar potential like people claiming that it can be abused and people can make any arbitary rule this way. So yea, it probably would bring more problems that worth the trouble.
Also I understand your frustration of gifting to someone which does not care for rules or general respect towards the community and the games gifted.
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If Support honored this ga-creator-EULA it would have been fantastic, but I doubt they'd be willing to when the site rules include this:
You cannot ask users to perform any special action in order for their entry to be considered valid...
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Well, yes. But then again one has to argue what a special action is. Is it something like voting on your greenlight a project a special action? Probably yes. Is solving a puzzle a special action? Actually yes and it is still valid. Are their mentioned exceptions somewhere as a puzzle as special action is allowed. Would then be such an agreement allowed if it is part of a puzzle?
And are those guidelines for all giveaways or only the public ones. For Steamgift Version 1 you could ask the support if you wanted to enforce a special rule on private giveaways. So this whole stuff is a big grey area .... and support would have either clarify it by mentioning exceptions, prohibiting puzzles, etc or just being totally arbitary by forbidding only such special actions.
The main point is that even puzzles (which I make almost always for my giveaways) are technically a special action. Obviously I am not allowed to. Or there is a list of exceptions. Too lazy to check guidelines right now.
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THAT CLICKBAIT! AND I READ ALL OF IT!
To be honest, I doubt that support would agree with those kind of things. :(
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I'm pretty sure support will not support such an idea. It is basically the same what was with support-approved special rules in GiveAways - only difference is that these rules were only to be read, and here you have read and click. And special rules got discontinued a while ago because they were generating too much extra work for support - it would be the same, thus imma 99% sure it would not be honored.
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Depending on the user i might not send the game, up until now i haven't found anything that serious to justify it, or at least the ones that did, got banned/permabanned.
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what this is about is that you may not "not send the gift" - whatever the reason is. What OP is saying is that you decide to not send the gift you may now not only get mark as not received like you used to, but you can also get suspended for not sending the gift, because this makes your GA Fake...
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hardly, you would have to missing a considerable amount of GA´s for that
in fact for what i've read, Yirg didnt even get suspended for that, and i dont know anybody who did
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http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/27ziC/just-so-you-know-there-is-no-such-option-as-intentionally-taking-the-not-received#KiXQ5Ne and further comments. Especially the ones from TempeteJoachim aka Support member :>
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Goddamn that was quick...... Do you guys camp SG 24/7? Or do you get alerts when you are messaged? Let me in on your secrets, veteran.
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I don't know how others do it, but I run 3-monitor setup with one monitor designated solely for web browser, and SG is usually loaded in it, so I can quickly notice if I get any reply :>
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Well, that's alright, but how do you know when you are messaged? Auto refresh? Or custom plugin?
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auto refresh with custom timer set up on http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaways/search?type=new to hunt for flash GAs ;) Depending on what I'm doing it may be refreshed once 2 minutes if I don't do anything speciqal, 20-30min if I'm in the middle of gameplay and don't really bother with SG, but usually is 5-10min ;)
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Knew it was auto refresh, but I bet others may have simply made a notification plugin for this shit. I'm not THAT big an addict that I spend my time around here, so I guess I don't really need to view messages that often. Unless of course, I'm running an event.
UGOT1I-NTHEW-ORKS?
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well for me it's also on and off - I spend too much time on SG, but I'm not ALWAYS online ;p Just last 2-3 days spend more time, as I un-retired for a while and started a new puzzle so I monitor how it's going ;)
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Tempete describes it has an habit.
depends on how many times would it make an habit,but seems perfectly fine to me that if you break a rule many times you would be looking at a suspension like everyone else.
If i decide i have to break the rule and not give the Ga, i will do so and loose the slot, thats most likely whats going to happen to me
If its a common occurrence, what exactly are the reasons not to give the game?
one old gift the user never activated, vac ban, not following specific steps to enter your ga?
because none of these are against the rules
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If you post giveaways to the Website, you will be entirely responsible for providing an unused Steam redeemable gift or unused Steam redeemable key (gift or key, further known as "Gift") to a user ("Winner"), who is randomly generated by the Website for each gift represented by your giveaway. You warrant that:
- the Gift you send to the Winner accurately represents the game being given away
Straight from the TOS of this site. You sure you wanna test the support staff with that attitude? I sure am not.
Also this coming straight from my interaction with a mod of this site, "Refusing to deliver gifts to a person, even when his character is questionable to you, will result in you taking the strike and counted as a fake giveaway. If this is done repeatedly, then you WILL be suspended." No clear mention of what duration or frequency, mind you. Also this should not be confused with other, more ambiguous cases like the winner stealing a key from the gifter and asking for a second, because in that case, support will NOT take sides and ask you to simply delete the giveaway.
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I said i would do it if i have to. doesn't mean i actually did
You sure you wanna test the support staff with that attitude?
By that you mean me saying i might consider not sending the gift?
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Yes. And I'm asking you to NOT consider doing it as an option. While your reason to not give the gift could be valid, it's considered as a personal reason, something the staff can't entertain. Sure you could take the slot loss and the first strike to suspension, but do you really wish to be suspended for a week or two just because you had a beef with someone? If so, I respect your conviction, however hot headed it may be.
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Was too lazy to check that myself, so thanks for clearing it up. And yeah, it's definitely not worth it. Kinda like that stupid trade ban we get on Steam when using a new device. It just stinks and everyone hates it.
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Some people seem to just enjoy being rude... but it's particularly annoying when they are rude to someone who is actually doing them a favour, e.g. giving them a free game.
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I just want to thank you for everything you've done for the community so far.
It's really saddening to hear you had such a bad experience.
kinda sounds like the winner personally attacked you, which I would think would be a re-roll reason
So far I got really lucky with my public GAs, but I'm always a bit afraid that someone will take the key but simply mark as "not received".
Currently running an event and was quite disappointed when I saw that a few of the winners of the first round had non-activated wins, but those were already too old/punished so there was nothing I could do but still send the keys. Really leaves a bad taste in your mouth though :x
I get that some people don't read the rules or may have problems understanding them, but if they're honest people, even if they didn't activate, they should still have the gift/key to be able to do that later or at least buy/trade for the game to make up for it.
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Someone once entered my giveaway and cursed me in a comment, but gladly he/she didn't win the giveaway. My suspension was about something else.
Having someone mark a giveaway they win as Not Received becomes an even bigger problem if there's a risk of it resulting in the creator being suspended for "fake giveaways". I just hope that what Support told me is specific to cases where the creator clearly didn't deliver the key, and not ones where there's doubt if the key was good.
I couldn't agree more that the right way to handle regifters is not to suspend them for a few days, but to suspend them until they activate the games. If it requires them to buy or trade for these games, it's their problem. Not that of honest members of this site.
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Ooh calling out.
Yeah, I'm always really careful about that. But it's really hard because in reality you just want to warn others of bad people and you're simply not allowed to.
Didn't even take the suspension into account, only that it would make me seem dishonest, but that's a really good point! ö.ö
(already get enough suspicion thanks to the fake negative trade feedback)
Being super rude and still entering your giveaway? Now that takes the kind of guts I don't even want to have.
I really hope that person is banned by now :<
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Good point. Edited to make it impossible to search for.
Also, you might want to check those links again ;-)
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Oh my, I didn't expect that, since my ratio is honestly quite bad. But it's still very much appreciated!
I sent you an invite to the Blue Hearts Club, though right now the fun is all with the eggs in the secret club room that has nothing to do with that.
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If Support says you have to deliver the key to the winner, it doesn't matter what he/she said or did. You do it, or you get suspended for creating "fake giveaways".
I guess whitelist-only giveaways are the only way to go...
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/1icC3/portal-of-evil-stolen-runes-collectors-editionhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/lxkR7/spy-chameleon-rgb-agenthttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/kLDxY/star-wars-dark-forceshttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/t5E87/letter-quest-grimms-journeyhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/YtkH1/it-came-from-space-and-ate-our-brainshttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/rGBrX/mount-blade-with-fire-swordhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/BVLxW/prime-world-defendershttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/6QjmV/stackinghttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/tHfzV/tetrobot-and-coSo the above whitelist giveaways (in
strikethroughlinks) have ended, but I'm having pretty good experience with Level 4 invite-only giveawys, so let's see if Level 3 invite-only works well too:http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/vsqC4/burn-zombie-burnhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/jxEbl/montagues-mounthttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/rXSmd/steel-storm-burning-retributionhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/X3C1P/crowntakershttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/iHZ8C/star-wolves-3-civil-warhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/M48uH/necrovision-necrovision-lost-companyhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/iZy7y/super-splattershttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Ai9z7/contagionhttp://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/GUJaO/president-for-a-day-floodingsEdit: To clarify, the phrase "taking the Not Received" relates to intentionally not delivering a key to the winner because of their conduct. It was brought up in the forum in the past as an option, I just want to let people know once and for all that it's not.
Edit #2: To those who aren't on my whitelist, it's not late too join. Check out this whitelist recruit thread to see if you meet the criteria :-)
Edit #3: Unfortunately I don't have any good news to share about this issue, but I would like to ensure people are aware of it and have 9 more giveaways to share here. This time they're not limited to my whitelist :-)
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