Is it?
It's one thing to say some people are scum that deserve to get beaten - but I've seen people get the shit kicked out of them by a mob and it is pretty clear that all of human civilization and advancement should be focused on making sure that doesn't happen and finding better ways to resolve disagreements. Even if somebody else is in the wrong then mob violence is the worst way to prove that you are in the right. My grandparents went and fought the nazis in WWII without resorting to that shit.
I'm all in favour of protests and organised resistance. I've done it myself and I think there should be far more of it. And I absolutely think people should defend themselves against aggression and that should potentially include aggression by authority. But as soon as a bunch of folks are just beating somebody up to 'prove their point' or 'shut up the opposition' then any moral high ground has been lost. It just becomes strong vs. weak rather than right vs. wrong and we're just animals instead of supposedly sentient creatures.
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In a vacuum? Absolutely.
Always? Of course not. However, revolutions do not often occur without violence.
Source: human history
Actually, there is a great podcast that will likely interest you-- "Revolutions" by Mike Duncan. It explores this topic in-depth across history.
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Link to the podcast: RevolutionsPodcast.com
Speaking of public violence, it's Labor Day in the US and Canada, which has a story laced many things Off-Topic loves: bomb-throwing anarchists, police violence, anti-immigrant sentiments - even a statue controversy. Here's a quick intro for the curious:
The "Haymarket Affair" took place on May 4th, 1886, in Haymarket Square, Chicago; it and the trial that followed raised the profile of the labor conflict around the world. Seven policemen were killed by a bomb thrown from a crowd at a labor rally while four civilians were killed by police gunfire following the detonation. Domestically, newspapers (generally anti-labor) described it as a riot, emphasizing the bomb attack; internationally, those who talked about it (generally socialists/communists) considered it a massacre, focusing on the police firing into the crowd out of revenge or fear when there was no identification of who the bomb-thrower was. A coterie of anarchists, primarily German immigrants behind a radical newspaper, were rounded up and convicted in a sensational trial. Four were hanged, one died from an alleged suicide by smoking a blasting cap like a cigar, and three others were later pardoned by Illinois' governor on the basis of the defendants not having received a fair trial.
In Europe, when it was decided to recognize the role of workers with a public holiday, May 1st was chosen to both tie into traditional May Day festivities and note the Haymarket Affair. However, in the US, the federal government wanted to avoid the federal holiday being treated as a commemoration of the incident, and did not want the holiday to correspond to international observations that would raise the profile of socialists and communists. As a result, the federal Labor Day holiday was moved to the first Monday in September, spaced apart from other holidays.
A statue commemorating the event, a Chicago policeman with his right arm outstretched, was destroyed three times - once by a rail car run off its tracks then, much later, twice by bombs during the 60s/70s anarchist revival of the counterculture era. Its current incarnation's been relocated to the Chicago Police Headquarters parking lot.
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This is an ancient problem of human mind, deepening in very subjective perspectives, unable to perceive what is real, and creating egoistic behavior in result. When someone feels 'personal' power, and is one to choose the direction of change, they don't choose to share power to everyone. This starts not even in human society but from the level of animals. This is what it is, the worst manifestation of animal nature.
Ancient person who saw a fruit tree would rather eat as much as they can even if they absolutely don't need, because apes would come and pick the tree clean. Or other tribes could come and find it. Or just another person from own tribe, whom the first one does not like for any reason. "Why would anyone else deserve these fruits? I can chose what to do with these" - and this choice rarely considers others as important as oneself, and others' needs, desires, problems as important as persons own. For ages.
One of the effects creating this is a trick of memory and mind, which is controllable but by default mind is lazy. If person doesn't try to think maximally objectively, taking as much information from the past in equation, last events start playing bigger role in decisions. What is strategy for short memory? - Just repeat action which results in biggest instant reward, with no plan. A ruling government can make any choices, but first thing they do is typically guaranteeing that everybody else don't have power to interfere, as changing the situation from new standard of "being on top of decision hierarchy" to anything else is unacceptable (modern example as how collective group acts as a self-sustainable individual). A mob who don't see immediately anything in power to counter it, obsessed with instant feeling of strength and 'righteous' power, succumbs to this ancient genetic controller in minutes, forgetting the whole history of own lives, any reasoning, wreaks any chaos - with no plan.
How to make humanity think, use their wonderful biological machinery, created by millions of years of evolution - is an open question. Only by knowing, and planning more globally and abstractly, optimal for everybody decisions could be made.
Everyone can certainly start from themselves and make the closest and beloved ones comfortable in the best reasonable and honest ways possible; teach each other love <3
Not much better and universal things were created by humanity for ages. Religions, revolutions and secret societies were degraded for same reasons as everything else <3
So regarding violence. It can not be justified. There is no global reason for this madness, and war which never stops. It just will happen until either everybody changes, starts to "think" much more, bringing human to some next stage as a whole simplistic language intended, or until humanity would destroy itself.
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Highly depends on the circumstances, the individual situation and your intention/motivation. For example, if you encounter someone who's prone to violent behavior and who (tries to) enforce their agenda or will onto other people, there's a high probability that you have to respond accordingly if you wanna oppose them successfully, since they might not be in a state where they're approachable in any other way any longer- to what extent also depends on individual circumstances, like what you think is needed or the situation requires to reach your goal and to stop this person from maybe abusing you or others/standing in the way of your ideas and simply how far you're willing to go to see not them but you succeed - though the more violent and aggressive you are, the bigger and fiercer might probably be the response you'll be getting (possibly, if you don't plan it right), simple physics. IMO there is no such thing as 'justified violence', only violence that unfortunately might not be avoided in some extraordinary situations; If one has to resort to violence, there already has been something else gone terribly wrong and no other option might be left which would bear any satisfying results. Well, there's so many nuances to it, one could write books over books regarding this topic (and there already have been a bunch) and since I don't wanna drivel too much, I think there's some basic questions when and if at all violence is a viable option to reach one's goals:
In my eyes, violence (in most cases) is never a necessity, just a quicker means to get results, however beneficial they might be. But the problem the US have, and many other states all around the globe, is not one where you have to remove a certain person or group to make things better, but one that requires radically rethinking how our society is organized and how we use it to our benefit, letting go off our egotistical ways and simple black/white thinking in the process. We've simply become decadent and stuck in our ways, trying to solve today's problems with yesterday's tools, unwilling to accept that they probably don't work that nicely anymore. Divide and conquer, baby.
Well, I could write much more, but I'm fucking lazy and maybe it's already enough to get my point across and if not, I really don't care anyway :P.
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Oh, and that someone threatening you like that probably was a pussy at heart.
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Seriously, stop with "the media" rhetoric. Feel free to use specifics and criticize individual media entities. However, it is extremely dangerous to start lumping so many multitudes into one, blanket group. You do yourself a disservice to propogate this stereotype.
For efficacy: yes, I work in mass media
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But when there is one rhetoric every damn day on the news
This is my point. There is no "the news." Thinking it to be one singular thing is as dangerous as any other stereotyping.
I'm not saying you can't hate the media, quite the contrary. I simply think people would serve themselves better by being conscious about it. Blaming "all media" is no different than hating "all politics."
As an aside: despite popular belief, I am not a journalist.
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The left have only a tiny amount of the guns, so it is very unlikely you get the bullet, unless you are a cop. If you are a Liberal or left of center, then the saying goes, "Liberals get the bullet too" and you should re-evaluate your thinking to a less violent ideology and seek new friends. Stay away from violent mobs and let the police handle it (call the cops), unless you live in a Liberal place like Berkeley.
Social networks are a cancer on mankind and you should be playing games.
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I think most of us here live in first world countries where we try to be more civilized and solve disputes peacefully but I also try to remember that there are still those in very unfortunate environments or situations that may not have a choice. But yeah, mob mentality is dangerous in many ways even not related to violence.
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As someone who works for the department of justice: NO!
BTW: Stop with the left vs right, don't you guys see the bigger picture in all of this?
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Nope. I don't think anyone has ever considered the bigger picture. You're the only one.
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I dislike the wording of your answers.
Generally, disagreements should be resolved peacefully, live and let live and all. But, some people cannot be reasoned with, hate everyone who is different, and consider anyone who is different from them as inferior. These people should never be allowed to have power, and they will latch onto even the slightest sliver, slowly infesting government/society, until evil takes hold of the world. In that case, not only is violent resistance justified, but necessary.
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Dislike the wording? Cool, make your own poll, fam.
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Of course this isn't a new issue. People have been talking about peaceful and violent anarchy since Tolstoy and likely before then. Early 20th century America saw a spike of fear over the idea of violent anarchists trying to tear everything down - protests and demonstrations by workers interrupted or highlighted by a bomb thrown into a crowd, which, I don't know if you agree, is a pretty shitty thing to do. People have talked about passive resistance to tyranny as well as how some people find violent uprisings make their points more clear: American Revolution; Haitian Revolution; French Revolution (both of them); India and Algeria's independence; Russia's October Revolution; China's Great Leap Forward; America's Civil Rights Movement, etc.
As for me, I am unfortunately very unsure about everything going on between Fascists and ANTIFAs. I don't believe in using violence and I don't believe in allowing demonstrations to devolve into mobs, because that's what they tend to do if there isn't a leader to run things. That's the problem with communist and anarchist movements - there is no official leader so there is no official platform that everyone who follows him or her can subscribe to and present to the people they're trying to fight.
It is not in my nature to go with the crowd. I know what you're thinking "Wow, what a hipster" but the idea of being one with a "herd" scares me. Our ability to think clearly and rationally is dampened considerably when we are in the presence of others because the desire to conform is so great. That is why things can get easily out of hand, that is why when someone pushes too far, it often spills out and starts a chain reaction where innocent people can get caught up in it all and end up victims. Every single innocent person who is harmed in a demonstration due to violence committed by one side or another is a black mark on that group, to me.
And let us not forget that mobs often go above and beyond what they originally organized themselves for, because the high of being a cohesive unit that is seemingly unstoppable, all-powerful, and intimidating feels great, and it is there that one's personal feelings of being rejected or screwed over by society come out in the form of "justified violence". Is their anger valid? Yes. Should they just suck it up? No, I don't really think so, because that's an unhealthy alternative.
Are some people scum that deserve to get beaten? Yeah, I guess. Corrupt politicians run out on their asses? Yeah, totally, especially when they seem completely unapologetic about it. Should people who talk shit get hit? Maybe, but what is stopping you from getting hit by someone else? If it's fine for an ANTIFA to punch a Nazi, does that mean it's okay for a Christian to hit a person who wishes death upon all Christians (and trust me, there are all kinds that plague this world), even the Christians who actually follow the religious tenets of being a good person? Is it okay for a Muslim to hit someone who spits on their faith?
Ah this was a long post. All I'm trying to say here is that someone threatened to put a bullet in my head when the revolution came because I was against people punching Nazis in broad daylight without provocation. If everyone did that to people they didn't like, even if they were scum bags, it would be goddamn chaos out there. What's stopping someone from punching me in the face for wanting fetii to be screened for Down's Syndrome and autism with the option of aborting them? What's stopping someone from whacking me with a dictionary for my hatred of Missouri and South Dakota? Common sense? Rule of law? Manners? Who knows, fam, who knows.
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