Is Humble Monthly the reason behind why Humble Bundles & Weekly Bundles are declining in quality?
i dont think it is, but iam a bit bumped that the focus seems to shift from steam mostly to uplay and even other places...
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I could care less whether it's uplay or not. My issue is that if you're going to put the humble bundle on break for two weeks, then you should put in an original weekly bundle, not an encore bundle.
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i agree with that,
but personally i like to keep all my games at one place.. i dont mind having like uplay or rockstar or anything else behind it but i want to have and keep steam as my base account were i keep my game collection... already have origin to cope with also cant keep focus everywere iam getting old :P
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this how we got the steam monopoly and valve being powerful enough to just ignore a massive personal data leak without so much as apologizing for it.
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Yeah, their "apology" was a crock when they finally said something official.http://store.steampowered.com/news/19852/
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Same here, I like to have all my games on Steam, that's why I don't got this UPlay bundle
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I guess everybody wants to place their games in the $12 bundle that gives a more or less known amount of sales than into the more random and lower priced bundles. I wouldn't say that it has a direct influence, but it basically a competition within HB.
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IF this is the case, some of these game creators are in for a rude awakening. If the crap is bubbling up to be more expensive, people are going to stop paying $12 a month for what then would amount to a sack of crap.
Most Humble Bundle games I'd get in the lower tiers for those cheaper prices, but the $12 Monthly should be exceptional games. Take that away, and the entire house of cards collapses.
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I don't think so. I think is not humblebundle's fault that bundles become worse, it's because of greedy game publishers.
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Yeah man them utter bastards, letting you pick up games with massive budgets for a dollar.
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Ryz is talking about the utter bastards who are NOT letting you pick up the games.
And to be fair, I rarely see any games with massive budgets in $1 tier. At least not the ones that are new.
Dont forget, even if the devs are giving you a good deal, its because they are still getting the better end of it.
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The last one I can think of was in the Squeenix Bundle. Murdered: Soul Suspect.
But otherwise, you'd only get AAA games from there if they're about 3-4 years old at least.
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Yeah. And that game was a horrible port. I wanted to play it but the number of bugs I encounteted made it impossible. It was litrally unplayable for me and seemed undeserving of even that $1.
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No, I agree, it was quite mediocre, but what I said was that it's the newest AAA game I've seen on a bundle, since otherwise they're usually older AAA games or Indie games.
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It can't be... because there's no quality there either.
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Subjectively? no, you're right, the games haven't been that great. Of three Humble Monthlies, December was the strongest with Rust and Chroma Squad.
In terms of numbers? yes, there is quality, you're paying $12 for games that are worth $30+ in total and most have never been bundled.
But if the games are crap to you, then it doesn't really matter.
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I hope you mean more than $30 in total, though the figures are a little sketchy.
Let's take the latest bundle. Talos Principle has been $3 because of stacking coupon and sales, while the other games have been varied prices (The Masterplan was $2, Mushroom 11 was $10, Spelunky and Grim Fandango were $3, and a Fistful of Gun was apparently .01 on GMG (though it was also in an Indie Game Stand, probably for $1-2), meaning that essentially you could have assembled the bundle for $20ish. Now, the real store prices for each rest significantly higher, making the bundle, not on sale, about $100, but that's still only a discount of 90ish percent. That price is acceptable for a bundle, but not great and with the blind random aspect the deal is much worse (especially because it seems that new games in the bundles will be bundle listed, like Alien Iso) and by and large the benefit of bundles is that you know what you're getting (the exception being Groupees preorders, but those are not quite the same because the preorder is a discount, not an exclusive offer) and can make the choice. The problem is you may get games you either already own, don't want (I like Fistful of Gun, but that's the only one I would buy out of January's bundle on its own) and now you don't even make a CV profit off of the games compared to other bundles, so I think the deal is pretty bad, especially when Bundle Stars offers a 95% or more off bundle for $5 every month or two with a bunch of solid, unbundled games that I don't have to gamble on. So yes, for $12 it's worth it, maybe, but those $12 could go much further and quite frankly even the deals offered aren't that impressive or great.
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I completely agree, if I knew what January's bundle was going to be, I would not have subscribed. Oh, and yeah, I meant $30+ in total for all of the games.
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While this is true it may miss the point slightly, a subscription model seems to be a clear shift away from the avid bargain hunters. Were you someone who just wanted something fresh to play for an hour after work, rather than a dedicated follower of discounts, they've been dirt cheap, decent quality and zero effort.
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A 90% discount is not great? Rather demanding, imo.
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For a bundle, particularly one we can't see ahead, the monthlies actually have really bad value. 90% is basically a minimum, and the first monthly wasn't even that (to make it worse, it was right behind the Humble Jumbo, which was iirc $10 for $300 of games). I'd rather wait for a bundle that I can know and that has better content.
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I would pick Fandango and Talos over Rust bundle any day...i am just saying lol
I think people expect to much for a few bucks most will not bat an eye at buying a pizza or some over price pair of shoes like Nike that prolly cost 10 bucks to be made but happily pay 60 bucks no questions.But be damned if they have to pay 10 bucks for a bundle and not get at least 3 games that cost 60 lol
I am not saying this is how all people think or feel,it just makes me think that by how some people react lol.Like if not all bundles have AAA games or high value games that are just crap or repeats,well quit buying every bundle and game on sale and maybe some of these actually might be worthwhile lol
I would get this bundle if it had GRAW and the BTA was a bit cheap i could have swore the last BTA was cheaper i must assume because of the DIVISION beta more people are shellling out extra for it.
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well, maybe, I'm wrong but I doubt a year from now, you'd be getting DOOM, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and FarCry Primal in January 2017's Humble Monthly Bundle. I think you're expecting quite a bit, 3 $60 games for $12, I wish lol.
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Well the 3 for 60 was just me being extra sarcastic,i just really meant i think people expect a lot value for little money,the Uplay bundle over all if you have none of the games or missing a few of them still well worth the price,given that 2 of them in the 10 tier would set you back that much most likely even on sale.
I look at a bundles worth as to how it compares to sales,if i can get the games i want on sale cheaper then getting the bundle then it not such a great deal,but if it has one game i want and it say 5.00 on sale and BTA is say 7.50 and has other games that i want,then i would say great deal,but for me the 7.50 is a great BTA if i wanted the games in the BTA but i do not desire them that much.
Also if they have a lot good games and one i really want sometimes i will pay the extra for it and just use the other games for GA's like i did with the code master bundles thing,i paid 4 something BTA and gave away most of it,but it was worth it for me because of Auto sport,Over Lord II and some of the dlc for grid,the rest i saved for GA's
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oh, I get where you're coming from. sorry, hard to read sarcasm in text, LOL, but - yeah, I completely agree with you, it's your hard-earned money, nothing wrong with wanting the most bang for your buck
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It is alright it happens without seeing people reactions or faces it can be hard to tell at times if someone is being serious or not..
I was not trying to say it was bad that people want the best deal for as little money as possible,i am just saying imo you can not go through life always expecting that,and just because it not the best deal on earth does not default it to being a bad deal.
I will pay more if i think the bundle is worth it and like i said if i can get most of the game i want on sale cheaper.If ireally want the bundle to say do GA's or give to a charity, trade or what not it would be foolish to buy a bundle for games i want that are cheaper on sale.
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I wouldn't get worked up over the PC versions of GRAW, at least if you played the console versions and want that. They're rather poorly ported, suffer from Ubi's terribad netcode, and don't follow the story or really have the same gameplay as the console version. Though, in this day and age, any contemporary rig should be able to run them well enough (provided they actually run).
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Well if that is the case then i guess i am not missing much,though i was not to worried about the net code,though i thought co-op was a blast when i had it on the console.
Maybe that why it has been missing from the bundles so thanks for the heads up so i know to think twice if it ever does show up cheap lol
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I think It's a little early to come to that assumption. Yes,the weekly and general bundle was a disappointment. But further months will give us the answer I believe.
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you're most likely right, we'll probably have a better idea after July, since that'll be the 9 month mark.
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I think it has. The games added to the monthly bundle would normaly part of another bundle and the titles are often good. Mostly they would be part of T3 and some of T2, but at the end they are not that special so that they could be bundled at weekly bundles
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yeah, if they fit into the theme/publisher behind the bundle, yeah, for sure, I completely agree.
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I don't agree with this. The majority of the games in the Monthly would not be put in a normal, cheap-ass bundle.
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Maybe it's because the normal Humble Bundles don't make enough money for the game developers. If the company can't get developers to sign up for awesome bundles because the profit is too low for them, the last few months are basically the result. The Monthly Bundle gives them a fixed share of 2 dollars and not just pennies.
I had rather Humble Bundle dropped the regular bundles and just released the info about the games in the Monthly Bundle before. It would increase their Monthly Bundle sales a lot. And for all the "medium to good quality" titles you can still make Weekly Bundles with quality content. Right now they release too many bundles.
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I am on the fence as if it would increase sales if they said what was in it ..
I mean it could also lose just as many as it gained,given if they reveal it and it games a lot do not want then they would not buy it,but then again if it was ones you wanted more would buy it.I know if they revealed it now and it had decent games i would buy it just for Alien and trade/sell the rest
Though i am afraid this months bundle might be harder to deal with unless it has some great games,giving the early access to Alien Iso. i bet a lot people bought it for that,given it was about the sale price over winter sale of 12 something and the bundle being 12 that it was not a bad purchase at all,You could sell the other games or trade them for keys to make said game even cheaper,but that might also flood the market with left over bundle stuff.
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If they said what was in it the monthly subscription model wouldn't work, because people would just sign up for a month if they liked the stuff and then cancel if they didn't like what was coming next.
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Fixed share of roughly $1.45, is more like it- it's 7 games per bundle [if you assume the carryover game gets paid for twice] and at least 10% cut for Humble, and 5% charity cut.
There's a reasonable chance you'll get more per copy of a game in a high bundle tier, due to getting a static cut of all giveaways purchased, regardless of tier purchased.
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I wonder if HB monthly games will end up in regular HB later on.
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I think that's a guarantee since they already repeat bundles and content on a regular bases. Just give it a few months, maybe a year.
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maybe that.
or maybe because 99% of the games released are greenlight/cash grab trash, and hb has nothing else to offer.
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I think HB has done it to themselves, too many bundles too fast. look at the mobile bundle, sales declined and they had already bundled all the decent mobile games, so they had to close it down.
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Humble are pretty much the only group who don't touch Greenlight, with good reason. They tend to be pretty discerning about what Indie stuff gets added.
Publisher-led stuff, however...
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Hmm, I wouldn't agree about declining quality... How would I even measure it?
We all like different games. Do you mean judging from the Steam store price, metacritic score, your wishlist, something else? Is a bundle full of great games you already own a great bundle or a terrible one? :)
Generally if I already own all the games in a bundle I skip it. Otherwise I buy it. It's stupid but it saves time. :) And If you're never going to play the games, there's not much difference between a great one and a terrible one anyway. :)
So far I've purchased all the Humble Monthly things, each one has had some good/great games I already owned, plus some other games I'll probably never even remember buying. Valkyria Chronicles is great, Talos Principle is great, Alien: Isolation is great, etc. :) For me, the December bundle was iffy, but that's only because I've never tried any of those games. I assume people would call Banished, Rust or Payday 2 great, but I have no clue myself. :)
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Aha, thank you but I don't eat cookies. :) Can I regift it? My niece has a birthday coming up... :)
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Gotta be pretty soon, homemade cookies don't really last well past a week and a half. :X
Maybe you just gotta be real positive, right before her birthday, and convince me to whip up a fresh tray? :)
Alternatively.. :eyes the cookie hungrily: Tell you what, you give me that one, I'll give you a cookie on credit to be redeemed whenever..
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Nah. Humble has been consistently good quality since they launched, IMO.
Just like how they introduced price tiering, which helps offer a form of price-crash protection to developers who would otherwise refuse letting their games be bundled, the monthly bundle price-point will allow them to reach higher up to other games that wouldn't normally get bundled at all.
I mean for crying out loud, Alien Isolation.
Humble have been putting up bundles for years, and there are only so many 'quality' games you can bundle before you venture into either repeats, or certain forms of price-tiering to tempt people into the bundle scene.
This, like all the "[good service here] is dying!" before it, is a bit hyperbolic.
A much hated word comes to mind : "entitlement". We're so used to being showered with the bundle-gaming equivalent of expensive imported candy chocolate that the moment someone offers us a fruit basket or a slice of mere gateaux cake, we start to feel cheated somehow. Rather than bemoan the temporary absence of bundles that tickle you personally, perhaps take a moment to realise how we're still in a golden age for gaming, where you can literally get a cluster of legit games for dirt cheap, and where we get holiday sales that drive the prices down through the floor. A little patience goes a long way. Even if humble's general quality really was dropping, that's money you can then invest in other bundle sites or just straight game purchases. It's only natural that some developers are unwilling to bundle up unless they have a certain guaranteed price-point. Had the monthly bundle not been a thing, there is absolutely nothing to say those games would be bundled at all.
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A much hated word comes to mind : "entitlement".
That says it all for me right there. Bundle buyers have become so used to high quality bundles from HB that when they do take a break or bundle quality slips a little, consumers don their tinfoil hats and begin theorizing the downfall of Humble Bundle.
I may not like/purchase every Humble Bundle, but it's not due to "low quality" games -- it's due to having a good number of games already. Even on a bad day, HB is still offering people quite a lot for their money. $1 for $30+ in games or $5 for $100+, etc, is an outstanding deal, no matter how you look at it.
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+1 on entitlement. Fuck Humble and those greedy developers for not just giving away the games for free, apparently.
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Naturally I can't say for sure. But I do suspect that they are trying to move focus on to the monthly bundle by giving the main bundle a break. I don't find anything particularly odd about having a rebundle in the weekly one. The weekly one is usually lower quality. No need to panic.
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And something people who complain about rebundles don't consider is that some of us only recently found out about HB. There are a bunch of old bundles I'd snap up if they came up again. Shame they don't do the flash rebundles anymore, which is probably a better way to do it.
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A lot of the HB monthly games haven't been bundled in HB before so rather than saying they're taking away quality I think they're bringing in more with the monthlies. Repeats are bound to happen since not all publishers will agree to be sold in a bundle.
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The argument people are making is that the games in monthly bundles would instead have gone to non-monthly bundles, if monthly didn't exist.
Maths and stuff, oh noes!
That seems like a rather baseless supposition to me- if for no other reason, since all the games we've gotten so far in Humble Monthlies are tier 2, 3, or even 4 games (regardless of how much you personally dis/like them (stupid trashy Payday 2 0;'P )).
so, lets say we'd manage to see 2 of the 6 games in a single bundle. Lets say we could get 4 total, and 2 were added to monthly solely because it was monthly.
Humble typically offers 2.5+4.5 (7) bundles per month.
If we estimate it, we're basically losing a single weekly bundle with two tier 2 & two tier 3 games (or better tiers)- with all the tier 1 components in that bundle still being typically worthwhile.
On the other side of it, if we round up in our expectations of the significance of the games as much as we can, we're losing all the quality games of two weekly bundles.
Meaning at least 5 bundles per month would still have to be of typical quality.
tl;dr, even in the most generous estimations of the matter, Humble Monthly couldn't possibly be affecting overall bundle quality to a significant degree-
Unless overall quality itself had dramatically diminished, and those monthly games would have been the only good games out of 7 bundles to begin with.
At which point it'd still not be an issue of Humble Monthly, but of the default release schedule of Humble having become too demanding for their supply to keep up with.
Moreover, I think people are confusing a start-of-year decline in bundle quality that is likely due more to publishers renewing contracts and working up new marketing plans and so forth, with an issue Humble itself is having.
Prior to that, bundle quality has been fine- hell, we've had some amazing AAA bundles like the Capcom bundle- and it all seems really baseless so far.
Nevermind that worrying about a sale site's quality going down seems a bit silly to begin with.
We're going to keep buying whenever we see something we like, and not buy when we see something we don't.
And yet, somehow, people keep wanting to make big deals each time the latter occurs, which I find confusing. :X
side note: Ignoring these recent, whoppingly-significant-to-the-whole two weeks of bundle events, I personally think bundles have been as awesome as ever lately.
Rebundles have been more frequent, sure, but that's not a bad thing persay, as others above have mentioned, and again, is likely more symptomatic of the time of year than of anything else.
tl;dr version
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The HWB is missing Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow!
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AFAIK due to issues with modern Windows Ubisoft is not selling it at all.
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I actually think it's a licensing thing - it's never been released digitally, even when we all had Windows XP. It's not due to Starforce, because they've succeeded in releasing Chaos Theory digitally.
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Googled a bit, long story short, until last year there was no way to make shadows appear, due to modern hardware not being compatible with how Pandora Tomorrow was coded.
Last year some modders made a fix, so if it works 100%, then maybe Ubisoft will hear about it and re-release it.
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Eh, i didnt bought almost any HB lately but honestly some of their offerings were astonishingly crap
like that parody movie bundle: i mean seriously? didnt they learned from that infamous comedy bundle they made and which (to my best of knowledge) was selling like crap?
Im npt expecting triple A titles for pennies but at least they could try and offer something that isnt more expensive than buying those games elsewhere.
Regardless of whether or not citicism against them is justified: they certainly need to do some improvement.
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on every module that involves gambling in it you lose at the end - its the same thing here.
so the only good thing in HB-monthly is if you like to gamble (i dont know what about you - but i dont)
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they've been hit-and-miss every since the first indie-only bundles. Monthly is just another series of hit-and-miss bundles from what I can tell after 3 months, but has more "first time bundled" content and bigger games.
I see the monthly more as competition with consoles - specifically the Xbox "games with gold" and the Playstation Plus freebies.
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The "quality" has no longer been that of the golden/olden days for a long while, it's just a matter of economics. Humble has given up on their status as a "bearer of values" (like DRM-Free, multiplatform, true PWYW and so on), in favor of maximizing profits. OTOH successful indies don't find much of a reason to be featured in Humbles anymore, it no longer adds to their visibility or status, it simply eats away at profit.
Humbles have turned mostly into the land of the the not so well known, the so-so, the odd combination of repeats and new stuff, and the long, long tea-time, sorry, tail of sales. Doubt you'll ever see anything close to HIB IV or anything like that.
Humble Monthly is yet another attempt(*) to extract value by playing on repeats and a calculated bet on people forgetting to cancel their subscriptions.
"that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back"
(*) can you tell off the top of your mind what was the last bundle that didn't have a top tier priced in the two-digits as to boost the average?
or the last time you saw the average jump wildly, the way it used to do? because I can't.
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I don't mind as much since this means my wallet gets more breaks in between the good stuff. Uplay can go die in a fire
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How is it taking quality again? People complaint that the monthly is not good enough and now it's taking the quality of the regular and weekly one?
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Definitely. I own too many games to merit paying US$12 a month for a bundle sight unseen. Chances are that a good proportion will be duplicates, and with the normal bundles getting suckier, Humble have lost my custom.
This subscription stuff is bollocks, and they can go fuck themselves. There, I said it...
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No, the quality isn't declining.
These are very-good to fantastic bundles from the last couple of months:
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Wr1Fm/humble-bundle-capcom-bundle-omg-two-more-bonuses-added
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Hjevl/humble-bundle-humble-jumbo-bundle-5-bta-bonuses-unlocked
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/ZeiUd/humble-bundle-codemasters-bundle-bonus-games-added
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/5XBeZ/humble-bundle-square-enix-bundle-3-bonus-games
It's actually the Monthly bundle that's been mostly a disappointment from my view, other than the first one which I liked (unlike most people).
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Quality is mostly fine in my opinion, it's really rare to see the ripoff kind of games - but that's up to the publishers/developers.
When one deal is not a breathtaking one, that doesn't mean it's not good - we indeed have a little too high standards when it comes to more and better but for the cheapest possible.
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