Should this be punished?
My backlog is so big that I play some games after months or years after getting them. xD
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+1
Some games I'd like to experience with someone(like to play them with your friends or gf), but you rarely get to have a lan party(ts does not quite cut it) or a singleplayer run.
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My backlog > yours :p
I mean, I know the feeling! I genuinely do intend to play all games (Except maybe some games I bought in a bundle, or people trollgifted me) but I simply lack the time.
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Good Sir/Madam
You don't know the meaning of Backlog.
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Me too. For example though, I'll never play Gun Monkeys. xD But I want to play most of my other games. Does it matter when? My steam account will be there, waiting for me. And there are people that have a lot more games than me. I avoid to participate in giveaways for games that I'll surely never play.
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Same here, I don't really expect to win anything either, but I only join GA's for game that grab my interest, for whatever reason.
...I've got that problem with Dino D-Day. The concept is fun, but uurgh, the last time i checked there was no singleplayer mode :(
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Don't play multiplayer. Every multiplayer game has a toxic community. XD
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That's not true, there are some multiplayer communities that are too void of players to be toxic.
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Void or not, 2 players are enough to make a toxic party. Just add some alcohol, stippers, music, etc. to make a great party. :P
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Well you could just play in an empty LAN server of an old game, but if you're doing that you probably have enough self hate to be toxic to yourself.
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What are you talking about? Which communities?
I don't think that 'toxic' is an appropriate description, for any gaming community, ever.
I don't know, I never had any problems
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Gun Monkeys is fun for a day though (if you have someone you can play with :D).
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Wow, so there are 2 people that play it already? o.O
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I've played Gun Monkeys with a friend. It's quite fun!
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Well, you are not alone. Some times years indeed...
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And imagine the fact that now I have free time. In some months, I won't. :P
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I am with the same problem i have over 300 games that i want to play... i have less than a hour on Witcher 3 and i dont find the time to play it, but still he's not the next one on the list.
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Why so negative? It sounds as same as people should be punished for buying bundle games, but not playing it either
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And because I enter for game X that looks good to me, but I never ever played it (HENCE I'M ENTERING), I should automatically like it, even if it turns out to be a total crap?
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What if I can't play a game because it for example doesn't support my OS, or my PC requirements, and I didn't know that before?
I'll drop game in first 15 minutes because it's unplayable, or because I won't be able even to run it. What then? Am I guilty?
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HERESY!
(Maybe, but then, not really. I doubt anyone much cares to check.)
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He seems like the kind of guy who would buy socks for christmas and force everybody to put them on right in front of his face. And not because he has a foot fetish or anything.
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After all it is a user who decides, so entering a giveaway for game they don't want shouldn't really happen. When it comes to gifts from friends or family there is no choice. Despite that, the idea is indeed pointless to say the least.
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The thread creator has serious mental issues, to be overreacting over a bloody giveaway site and to judge the 'crapsack world we live in' based on the rules/community here.
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No. I don't agree with that idea, but even if I did I don't see a way to implement it. How much time must they play the game for it to count, because a person could just avoid punishment by idling or playing one minute. Having the requirement to have achievements would also be unfair because not all games have them and it isn't accurate. In some games people who suck (Like me) can play for hours without getting any achievements.
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some games also don't need Steam open to run, for example, I've put hundreds of hours into Hearts of Iron 3 and War Thunder, yet because I couldn't be bothered with Steam ('cause of mods and modding HoI3) it doesn't show. Also, often if I'm playing a game during a weekend, I just don't close the game at all, meaning it probably gets a dozen extra hours logged than there should be.
I don't think it's feasible to control it, as it would take a lot of computing to do, nor necessarily accurate.
Though one could speculate a reason for many to be against such control is that they might want to be able to do so themselves, just as such things may happen in the "real" world. (but shhh! we must not speak of it!)
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or if you know that you wont be online with pc for a couple of days (vacation) and gop offline with steam so you can play something. that playtime wont be logged
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+1
Then there are also games like Dungeon Defenders or To The Moon where the achievements just don't work or only under certain circumstances.
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Another issue is that for some people when they play in offline mode it doesn't seem to register some achievements or the time played.
Yet for others this doesn't seem to be an issue at all. Moral of the story, steam is buggy as fuck.
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Even then, a game in a library not being played wouldn't necessarily mean that it's not being played at all... with family sharing it can always be played on a different account or by a different person it's shared with
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Also ... even if there was any way to say for certain if someone played a game and for how long.
what if someone found out that after winning something that the game really isn't like they expected
it to be? Would they still have to play a game they don't even like, just to be able to enter more
giveaways?
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If you want to control what ppl are doing with their winnings you should have never given it away. Water under the bridge my friend.
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Fo real! A gift is a gift, you aren't entitled to attach strings. For some of us, the meta game of collecting is a joy quite separate and as much fun, if not, perhaps more, if my wildly hit or miss backlog is at all typical. Are we wrong? I've given stuff away, I'm not just leeching from the community. Is the satisfaction I get from collecting somehow less valid? I see where OP is coming form, to a certain extent. I often wonder about people who give away gifts with high level restrictions, I get that they want to reward people who have given a lot to the community, but aren't those generally speaking the people least in need of free games? And the people who would least appreciate and value the gift? I don't quite get it, but if that's what makes their boat float I am not going to condemn them, nor do I think that feature should be removed.
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Someone can easily launch a game and not play it, are you going to count that as playing it?
Edit: mostly ninjad by TreeB
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The fact is: you can't know if someone played a game. Offline play is not counted towards playtime, and many games don't have working achievements in offline mode...
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We are a community of hoarders! Nice words, I really wonder if you've played the 74 games that you are win in this community of hoarders... and for your concern I hope one day play every game that I received in this great community. Welcome to my BL.
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One needn't wonder, at least assuming that online playtime accurately reflects playtime. (And Geosmin seems to implicitly make that assumption, so it seems reasonable to apply it here.) Given that assumption, the answer is no:
Geosmin has various won games which haven't been played at all from Sports Friends (won 1 month ago), to Relativity Wars (3 months ago), to Shadow Puppeteer (10 months ago).
In addition, it seems that many of the games Geosmin has won haven't been more than sampled. (There is some question as to what qualifies as actually playing a game. If you've messed with it for twenty minutes was it played?) Here are some won games for which less than half an hour of playtime has been logged:
Sanctum
Megabyte Punch
ThreadSpace
We are Legion
Last Horizon
Trainz Trouble
Is all that a problem? Well, it's a similar pattern to me--though Geosmin won a bunch more games--so I'm disinclined to throw stones. Perhaps Geosmin's critique of our community is partly self-criticism. But, at any rate, the sanction of the rules Geosmin proposes would potentially fall on Geosmin.
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Very good analysis of the situation... and you have reason the word could be used here, but the form in that he exposed it was a little rough (at least for me)..
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Maybe he edited the post, but I don't see him suggesting this is implemented, but merely creating a discussion.
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Yeah, the post has been edited extensively. Among other things, the version I was talking about said outright that SG is a community of hoarders. It made a variety of other statements that are gone now. And the 'most' that's currently in the OP is new.
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Oh, sorry. Yes, I realized it has been edited after reading more comments. Regarding hoarders, there is some truth in that.
For example, I don't have much time to play right now, but I'm still entering giveaways. It's addictive like gambling! And others just want +1.
Personally, I will try every game I win out of respect for giveaway creator when I have time (or in some cases I won't play a game because it's #2 or #3 in series and I want to play #1 first) and most of the giveaways I enter are for the games that look really interesting to me (though some cheap ones I enter for trading cards - but if I win, I'll play them too).
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Since you can't expect all people to be unemployed / students or simply people that devote their lives in games, be realistic instead. Besides, the older we get, the less free time we have. Being a gamer in heart is what counts, but this doesn't mean that it's always possible to play games faster than acquired. It all depends.
Seriously you can't expect everyone to play games every single day, no ? Making huge backlogs is especially easy when someone gets bundles etc or gets sidetracked by less wishlisted games, that are some times fun to try, or prove to be much better than we initially thought they would be when seen in trailers/screenshots.
It's almost like making a law to prevent people from playing games as much "as" they want "when" they want. :P It's just crazy and unrespectful of people's rights if you ask me...
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And therein lies the issue. Like with some of the other posts similar to this one the gist seems to be that if people that represent a certain attribute would not enter / benefit from GA's then others (notably usually the poster themselves) would have a better chance at winning.
While disguising the desire to win more themselves. They're making it look like its an issue in the best interest of the community.
But at the end of the day the goal seems to be "How can I increase the odds of winning by cutting out as many people as possible.
Course, how such an attempt would ever be 'policed'? The fact that that would require a large amount of effort and time invested?
As you say, backlogs are a thing. And the idea of the post above seems to be that unless you intend to play the game right away you should not be allowed to enter a giveaway.
Which is ignoring the possibilities of family sharing, offline play and so on.
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People do play them through family sharing...
Once the game is given away it's no one's business whether they play it or not. ;)
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I disagree, but then again, I am kind of a bundle/impulsive sales hoarder.
Anyways, like TreeB said, even if it's implemented, how would you measure it?
Not to mention some 'games' (cough, the interview) last only 10-15 minutes, whereas with others you can easily spent 50 hours in them without completing it.
Also: What about games you do win and really think would be fun, but they turn out to simply not being your 'thing'?
Not to mention, you don't know how someone's personal life looks like, how they manage their time, what their priorities are, etc.
|Even if such a system would be implemented, I think the risk of it punishing someoneone for one of the above reasons is just to great.
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Geo, re-reading the now changed OP and your comments have spiked my interest:
What was the purpose of this little experiment? :) Also, what do you study/work/whatever it's related to?
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Site's like this have more power to make things change than single individuals. From the original idea of giving away games, a hugue community grew here, making great threads about almost anything and having really nice ideas to keep you around; so people can distract themlselves instead of watching TV or playing COD.
Most communities I've been part of, either died from success or are full of nasty people and 'elite groups'.
I mean, if we make things nicer, they will be more relevant for many people that want to stay away from mainstream toxicity.
TLDR: Humanity is sick.
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I get what you mean, and it reminds me of my sociology intro class.
Anyways, thank you for the answer. :)
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people can distract themlselves instead of watching TV or playing COD.
lulz :D So far I'm pretty successful at distracting myself from COD ^^
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So you're praising this community for its ability to "distract people from playing CoD" by suggesting a sanction for not playing games?
Stop trying to make it appear like you're in the middle of some philosophical study or a great thinking process because:
- if you can't even notice that you're very obviously contradicting yourself, I don't see how you could bring anything valuable to this conversation
- you complain about 'mainstream toxicity' but it seems you're the one bringing a lot of toxicity here
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Dumb questions would be just ignored. It's been 24h and the bandwagon effect still lives.
And mixing different statements at your will is not what I said, sorry.
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Get off your moral high horse and stop going to Baby's First Philosophy class mate.
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No. I mean it sounds like a good idea in theory, but it wouldn't work in reality.
I mean I have slow net, it could take me months to just DOWNLOAD some titles (FF13 took me 4 months to download). Some games I have in my library but have played in another way, either downloaded outside of Steam for "reasons", or on a console, etc. What if I don't enjoy the game and only get a little bit in? What if the game won't work on my system? What if real life strikes? I had a family emergency a few years back and didn't look at games for over a year.
You'd end up punishing people that don't deserve it.
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It's always up to the winner what they do with a game, but of course it's always nice to see that a game that you did a giveaway for got played and enjoyed... and not only gametime from idling cards, some winners play the game, get achievements, uploads screenshots, those kinds of things. Always nice to know that your gift is appreciated.
I don't see not playing a game for a year as something bad, most of us have backlogs, and some games will probably take a while to get to. If it's a brand new highly rated €60 game (that many people would want to play soon), then it would of course be nice if it got played in less than a year, while I would be OK with a cheap bundle game with bad rating being left alone for a longer while than that.
There will always be users who for one reason or another won't play the games they win. If you come across those and don't want them to win the games you do giveaways for, the best you can do is to blacklist them.
Or do it the other way around, add users that you like (and know are more likely to play the games you give away) to your whitelist, and only do whitelist giveaways.
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Oh, and this thread is probably a good place to do a shameless plug for the Backlog Cleaning Marathon ;)
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Nope. You can't force anyone to enjoy the game you're giving away, if somebody decides to turn it off after 5 minutes of playthrough, it's his choice, and you can't expect from him to like it only because he got it for free.
If you want to ensure that your giveaways will go to the people that deserve them, build up your whitelist or a group, and invite people that you consider worthy. If you decide to give opportunity to everyone, respect that whole population includes also people who may not like the game (and how would they know before trying it?), and people who are not even going to try them, be it because of backlog, "just collecting games" behaviour, or for whatever silly reason, even as stupid as steam cards one.
I'd say, just include a note stating that you expect from a winner to play a game if he wins, some good folks like me respect custom rules, even if they can't be enforced by the site neither support, just because it's you who is giving away the game, and you should be able to choose whom you want to give it to, even if the rule doesn't make sense or is silly in one's opinion.
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If I got spankings,
I'd never play any of my wins. :X
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All giveaways that I enter (with slight exception, when GA creator miss the 5 entries and ask me to join) are games I truly am interested in and at some point I would probably buy them anyway. Some of them ends up in my backlog (especially since my PC broke down and currently I cannot play any games with big requirements), some of them I end up not liking (like Uncanny Valley or Deadly Premonition) and I won't force myself to play them any further. Do I feel bad? No, because I was honestly interested in those games and at some point would try them anyway. The others I will play at some point, so I don't see an issue here.
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The feeling of guilt when you see your backlog grow is enough of punishment D:
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i play some games when i dont have internet. My play time is low at Tomb Raider/bioshock/fallout new vegas/Broforce and maybe some others but i complated them
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Just checking it out is accepted? I don't have too much free time, so when I win something, I usually play it later. Or when it's a weekend :)
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I've got it - figure out how to use sgtools to disqualify any person with a backlog or without enough free hard drive space to immediately install your game. Maybe that'll make you happy.
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There would be if he was able to set a custom rule. F.e."at least 20% of games won have playtime of >0.5h"
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I was about to reply with a serious comment, but then I realized you were being sarcastic.
r-right?
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Well, apparently I'm in the 8% minority on this. As usual.
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Let me think…
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Nope, the usual would be the exact opposite.
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I'd want to see that as well, although I don't have anything against as long as the guy is not trying to trade the game away or regift it.
We both know that it's sad to see good games being "wasted", especially unbundled stuff one paid some money for. But if you expected from me to play all the 476 games I won here, you could as well blacklist me right away because it's physically not possible, at least in my current situation.
Willing to play something and actually doing that are two different things. I have a willing to play everything, my whole 2,8k library. Problem is, I'll never achieve it, so I maintain short eternal backlog of games, that I plan on completing in near future. For example I'm still finishing fallout 4, even though I should be done with it long time ago.
I don't feel bad for joining the giveaways, even those who I will not be playing anytime soon. However, I always respect creator's decision, and if somebody clearly states that he expects from the winner to play the game, then if I want to join I'm forced to put that game on top of my backlog and finish it, even if I'm not done with the current titles. Sometimes I accept the challenge, sometimes I'm feeling like nope, but both you and me know the rule - you set it, I'm supposed to follow it.
So again, statement stays the same. If one expects from the winners to play given game - add people to whitelist or to the group, state it clearly in giveaway description, and you'll be happy. Punishment is not a way to go.
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Heh, I had a lengthy clash with zelg about this, and I don't want to get into a deja vu about tha same topic with another Pole. ^.^ Let's just say I maintain my policy on entering for games only I know I would have time within two months to start playing them with the intent of one full play through minimum, but with the realistic goal of 100%ing all SP content.
(Well, unless I win Fallout 4. My current rig cannot play it, new one is bound to be bought in late May, and I already have a non-SG gift waiting for the new PC… sadly I found out that despite its age, it is rather demanding. :S)
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That's the matter of using the website. My opinion about something often does not equal your one, that's why it's important to understand that if you expect from winner to do thing A, you should state that in giveaway description, so if somebody doesn't follow your rule you can legitimitely blacklist him without feeling bad.
I'm not a good example to follow, collecting games is nearly the same as collecting coins or other things, with one difference - you can actually use those games for having fun. If I knew that by now i'll have 2,8k games and over 450 wins on SG, I'd most likely stop when I had 100 games on account and felt that it's already too much for me to finish (I mean, everyone of them).
But well, I never had money to buy games I wanted as a child, so now when I have quite decent situation I just tend to enjoy simply adding +1 to my account.
And there's nothing to argue about, because we both know that what you're doing is right, and what I'm doing may not be considered proper for everyone. I'm not defending my games collecting habits, because it's like shouting that you didn't kill the guy next to you, while holding still hot gun in the hand.
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i think it't not ok. i for exempel enter only at games which i wanna play. but there is not so much time for all games.
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Having a huge steam library - I view like a book library.
I might own a thousand books. There is nothing to say I have to read every page of every book.
But having a large selection of books means when I feel like gardening there is a book for that. A book for cooking, a murder mystery, a book on roman history.
Now I might not feel like cooking, or planting in the garden - but having those books means that should that mood hit me, I have the option.
Games are no different - having a large library of games means I have a wider selection to fit my fickle moods of what I feel like playing on the day.
I don't subscribe to the idea that I must complete one game a week, and I'm not to look at any other game until I finish the one I've started. I might want to play a game for 10 minutes and then change to something else when I feel like a change. Expecting that someone is watching over my shoulder demanding I meet the deadline they have set to complete a game in my library, is unreasonable.
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I usually try to play a game for as long as it's enjoyable - eg - i still play Evil Genius - one of the first games I bought on steam years ago. But in saying that with every release that comes out, like most people I develop a backlog - I took me 13 different campaigns, and 4 months to finish X-Com - Enemy Unknown (Had to get that full Psi team going lol). During that 4 months, I finished Fallout 4 once. I started Fallout 3 again. I started a new campaign in Warhammer 40k, Again.
As BuBBy stated, it depends on what I feel like playing on the day. How much time will I have? How long does it take me to bathe and dress and get my 4 kids to bed? Is my wife up to practicing making another? (Only practice from now on thank god... and the doc with the scissors :P).
Life, Circumstance and Emotions can get in the way.
I have not won a lot on here, but every one I have one is a game I've wanted to play and I have enjoyed them if only for a short while, but with intention to play again sometime in the future.
Hell - everyone on the net over the age of 10 knows how to go to certain sites and um... obtain... latest release or other games for free.
As I support publishers and developers who keep me entertained, like many gamers, I refuse to do this and prefer a legally obtained version.
Just because I win the game - that someone else gave away, does that mean I have to play it immediately? And if so, for how long? Is there a Maximum time that I have to play it then? Must I delete it and completely remove it from my library after playing it from start to finish too?
Some days I don't even feel like playing the PC - I might sit down when all the kids are at school and omg... I might go old school and read a book!!
Punishing people for not playing something they won in a certain amount of time is like fining a lotto winner for not going on a spending spree and blowing all their cash in a certain amount of time.
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If anyone is wondering what happened here:
Moral of the history? We deserve the world we live in.
You like edits? It's sunday and this is still active
PS: to celebrate the witch-hunt, now my BL is empty, now many will need to support their arguments in another way.
The metrics to fill my BL were diverse, I spent months giving away games to leechers, so I tried to fix that on my own with limited success...
CV from russia is not real, you get to high ranks with very few gifts.
I gave away recently 3 non-bundled games, none of them were played yet. What are we doing here?
Should winners that don't play won games be able to enter more GA's?
Technical issues are just goals for coders, a matter of time if you will. The ignorance about this on SteamGifts was unexpected and all over the place.
As a human being in the 21st century, you may be interested and want to learn something useful here https://www.coursera.org/course/cs101
Standford University, for free. You have no time? Even next summer break? I figured.
Also, complexity is not an excuse to deny a problem. SteamGifts is full of bundles, poorly rated games, very few gifters and plenty of us.
After the poll got over 100 votes, I claimed most of you are hoarders and leechers, you got mad and replied deviating the conversation. Everything else followed.
The truth is in the poll and in the comments in many forms and very few facts, I should have forseen that, my fault.
Though, using your very arguments, we should still be in the dark ages, where most of your thoughts, rethoric and ethics belong.
Let's use our time to read and gain some ethics:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
If you pay attention, anything with several people involved can show patterns, individual behaviours and basically useful data that may explain some things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect#Use_in_politics
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
According to the DSM, I'm probably wrong about the hoarding thing though, the reason it's quite scary as most may suffer something else that is causing it... :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding#Human_hoarding
If you feel any kind of distress frequently, please, go see your primary care physician, and talk to someone else too.
Regardless, everyone should work out, get some sunlight weekly if you can, eat well, have personal projects...
Anything that gets you away from collecting game licenses and projecting hate towards others.
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