[COVID] Explanations about COVID deaths ?!? (2 GAs inside)

in which country ? You mean then that the situation is lowered then ?

In the U.S., the rumor is that they mark it as a "COVID-19 death" if the deceased had the disease, period. That counts even when the person was shot to death. I have not been able to verify this for myself, but it is already well-known that some agencies are "playing fast and loose" with our numbers.

Thaht is great .And it is ?

true I found this as the only "easy" way to compare, meanwhile i know that some contries are lying on the figures for many reasons...

This is further compounded by how some countries are under-reporting deaths, as only cases where they can beyond a shadow of a doubt show that Covid was the leading cause gets reported. The UK is an example of a country that themselves believe that there are more Corona-related deaths than is being reported, among the elderly in particular, due to this. So comparisons are really hard to do.

That is sad to ear. I am found of Portugal; People are very keen. Crossing fingers

Sweden has really handled this really poorly. Due to the similarities between the Nordic countries, you can get a pretty good idea of how well different strategies work, by comparing Sweden to Norway. Sure, Sweden is not identical to Norway, but their performance should be in the same ballpark if you compare the two.

Also, hello from Stockholm, the place in Sweden that's having the most issues!
It's not nearly as bad here as we've seen in places like New York, but that's likely more down to how spread out the population is, than any other factor. Had the population density been higher, there would be a lot more issues. There are still a worryingly large amount of ambulances that keep passing by every day here, far more than there ever were in the past.

indeed that is really cheating on the reality ...

My sincere condoleances. That is a sad thing. In France it was the same situation in many elder "houses"...

My sincere condolences. One thing that is sad is that Sweden doesn't test enough. You can argue about closing shops and those things, but if you don't test you are 'blind' to where the virus is.

Some comparision

Sweden has a more deeply rooted issue than just a lack of PPE for staff working with care for the elderly. My mother works at a retirement home, so I get some of the insider info from here.
One major issue is how a large portion of the staff is employed. Rather than having permanent employment, you've got a lot of people who are employed by the hour (I think that's how you translate timmanställd), who move between units. They can work at one place before lunch, and then another after lunch, and in many cases (including in my municipality) they've been allowed to go straight from a place with confirmed cases, to a place with no confirmed cases, thus spreading the disease.

I'm really sorry to hear about your grandfather. It did not have to happen :(

Brazil does not deserve what is happening that is really sad.... =\

Many choices of the governement in the world have made the differences in my opinion

I would put Merkel in a better positon in your list ;-)

That's what I was thinking, I've been using this website since it started here.

Just the official information. In Brazil, at least, the reallity is even worse.

TKS

"COVID-19 seems to have a death rate similar to Influenza, but it spreads much more easily and is a danger for a much narrower range of people."

It does not. "April data from New York suggests that the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 was between 0.5 and 0.8 percent, which matches international estimates. Estimates of case fatality rates are higher and vary quite a bit country by country.

That infection fatality rate for Covid-19 is much, much higher than the flu, which has an infection fatality rate of around 0.02 to 0.05 percent, according to infectious disease epidemiologist Adam Kucharski on Twitter. This means Covid-19 may be more than 10 times more deadly than the flu." Source

"They are not meant to be worn by healthy people, nor do such masks protect their wearers from becoming infected."

Problem is that you are infectious before you are 'sick'. So 'healthy' doesn't mean 'not infectious'. That's why face coverings are required/encouraged to wear in certain situations even if you feel 'healthy'.

"Deaths related to COVID-19 are being overreported." [citation needed]

Deaths related to COVID-19 are being overreported.

They're also being under-reported. Some US states and countries are purposefully under-reporting Covid-19 deaths to make the situation look better than it is.

Survivor rates of those infected with COVID-19 are being underreported.

It's not so much that they're being under-reported, as that with limited testing asymptomatic cases get missed entirely.

COVID-19 appears to have a death rate similar to Influenza, but it spreads much more easily and is a danger for a much narrower range of people.

It's actually much higher, along with being far more infectious, and with having a longer incubation period during which people may be asymptomatic but still capable of infecting others.

The various "shut downs" do not prevent people from getting COVID-19, but they do "stretch out" the period of time it takes to infect the population and thus delay the time it takes for "herd immunity" to assert itself. "Flattening the curve" also prevents hospitals from being overwhelmed with patients who need intensive treatment.

It absolutely can prevent people from getting infected. If you're isolating at home and not coming in contact with others, your chance of being infected is close to 0. The only reason it doesn't stop the infection is that people are either unable or unwilling to isolate themselves. Regardless, flatting the curve is the overall goal so that hospitals do not become overwhelmed.

A surprising percentage of the population is still clueless when it comes to "being safe." Aside from the specially designed masks which are used by doctors and nurses when treating infected persons, masks are meant to be worn by sick people to help prevent them from infecting others. They are not meant to be worn by healthy people, nor do such masks protect their wearers from becoming infected. Proper "distancing" and the regular washing of hands is the primary method to avoid contracting COVID-19.

Masks are meant to be worn by everyone. You are correct in that masks are there to keep people from infecting others, but given that you might have Covid-19 and be asymptomatic for 2 weeks or longer, everyone should be wearing masks when going out in public. If everyone wears a mask, then everyone with Covid-19 also ends up wearing a mask. If only people with symptoms wear masks, then you're guaranteed to have asymptomatic carriers continue to spread the disease.

The fact that you seriously saying "If you are listening to "the news media," you will likely be hearing a lot of conflicting information. Sifting through available information, there are some things we may safely conclude." doesn't tip you off already is just disappointing.

I saw so many people repeating these conspiracy theories and Elon Musk hearsay, so I was thinking that I might've missed out on something major... but this really is some anti-vax and flat Earth level ideas. I'm glad I didn't miss anything so major, but I'm also disappointed that people like you are just chomping at the bits here.

You have rightly received some criticism already, but this questionable point wasn't fully covered yet.

The various "shut downs" do not prevent people from getting COVID-19, but they do "stretch out" the period of time it takes to infect the population and thus delay the time it takes for "herd immunity" to assert itself. "Flattening the curve" also prevents hospitals from being overwhelmed with patients who need intensive treatment.

You present the main reason for lockdowns as a secondary "also prevents ..." argument, while you almost seem to complain that herd immunity is delayed by these lockdowns.
Not to mention that herd immunity never was a justifiable alternative to shut downs, as nobody knew (and mostly still don't know) if previously infected people will be immune or how long an immunity might last
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And last but not least you didn't mention lockdowns buying us time to develop vaccines or find treatments which ease the sickness, like recent reports about Dexamethasone.

Deaths related to COVID-19 are being overreported.

Not really sure how we can "safely" conclude that, considering a lot of countries affected (and that's a fact) didn't have enough test kits so a lot of the early deaths, as well as many deaths that could be attributed to other lethal diseases, "old age" and other weakening conditions were not counted as COVID deaths so I think on the whole it evens out.

There is apparently a substantial percentage of people who have had COVID-19 and gotten over it without ever realizing they had it. The exact numbers of such cases are unknown at this time.

Yup. A lot of people I know who had it only figured out that's what it was when they hit the anosmia phase.

My sister, her boyfriend, several of their friends and colleagues, as well as a number of my colleagues and friends were infected. They were never tested as they were told "just take aspirin for the fever and only call emergency services if you're suffocating" (I'm not kidding) and as their symptoms went away, they were never hospitalized or tested so the number of reported cases is most likely way inferior to the actual number.

I imagine if someone had died, they could have been tested but considering the number of tests available at the beginning of confinement, back in March when they were all sick, it would most likely have been written out as something else.

The various "shut downs" do not prevent people from getting COVID-19, but they do "stretch out" the period of time it takes to infect the population and thus delay the time it takes for "herd immunity" to assert itself.

The issue is they still don't know if there is such a thing as "herd immunity" when it comes to this virus. All they can say right now is that some people, not all of them, who contracted the disease have developed some antibodies but they don't know how long they will be efficient and protect from contracting the virus again.

masks are meant to be worn by sick people to help prevent them from infecting others.

Most people I know who ended up sick at the very beginning of confinement propagated the disease to coworkers and friends before they even knew they were sick. You don't have to be experiencing symptoms to benefit from a mask. Even an allergic sneeze can contribute to propagation without the person knowing they are sick.

Yeah so many inputs and with figures that are altered.
I just wanted to discuss the subject :-)

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

But sometimes we can just follow the money. (Especially useful when the healthcare system is for profit.) https://medcitynews.com/2020/05/heres-what-hospitals-got-in-the-first-round-of-cares-act-payments/

Can you prove this overreporting claim ou is just a Trump quote?
I ask because you say Brazil is under reporting, but here our president/federal government says the same as Trump, that "Deaths are being overreported".
It seems like is just a tactic to mask their incompetence.

Sweden is trying the herd immunity route with social distancing rather than cause non Covid-19 deaths and financial ruin.
I havent seen any media talking about any spikes in non Covid death. People are not seeing their doctors and having life threatening signs spotted. Along with other physical and mental health issues of shelter in place.