Do you think internet should be censored at all for kids to prevent access to sites like 4chan, or whatever else has disgusting stuff on it?

EDIT: Also what do you think will happen after the UK is done with monitoring the internet after 2 years?

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Not censored, but law abiding. And if a kid goes to 4chan or whatever I think it's their parents' fault, not the provider of the content.

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yeah...parents should be aware of what younger kids are going on

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What does it matter who's to blame? I'm talking about preventative measures, not punishment.

How would you stop your kid from visiting certain sites?

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There are many ways. First of all actually caring about the child then having a look to what he does and getting to know his interests and what can be harmful for him. Then if you don't want to do that there are many services by ISP and programs to block certain sites.

I never liked forbiding things and lessening individuals freedom in order to make us stay safe

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So monitoring? The problem with ISP blocks and stuff is that parents aren't as tech savvy as their kids in this generation.

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So they should get into it. I've always thought that a parent should have some sort of interest in his children activities. But it's quite easy to buy your kid an XBOX and let him play whatever game he asks for no matter which contents it has. Or letting him surf the internet without acually caring about he's doing.

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But if the kid already knows more he'll likely always be a step ahead.

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Yeah, that could be a problem certainly. But I don't really think that forbiding things is the solution to that.

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Thats not an excuse at all. If the parent cared at all, they have the means to easily find out about tools and services as well as general knowledge about how things work. If a parent cant be bothered to learn how to protect their child or more likely, enforce their own ideology, then do they really care?

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Well, for that generation of parents is too late. but for THIS one, I mean people who start to become parents now... Well, look at us. Technology is with us, everyone uses a PC now. We can and will know better then our parents

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Have you ever used Google?

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I used to, not anymore. Why?

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God forbid a parent spends some time to teach their kids. Instead they just want block everything that's bad in the world so the kid can just run around willy nilly and the parent doesn't have to worry. Sorry folks, parenting doesn't work that way

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You've never disobeyed your parents? Never?

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this is why I have a password on my router and can black list sites at will.

I'm also a one of those parents who says my house my rules and have key loggers installed on MY computers and smartphones that I LET them use.

While I can't stop them all the time, I can know what they are doing when they think I'm not looking and I can talk about it with them.

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Well this seems a bit to strict IMHO. It's a good way to keep their monitored but I do think that everyone should have a tiny bit of privacy. And, what is more, if I had realised that I was being kept track of using a similar system to yours I would have felt deeply dissapointed towards my parents. I think that through trustiness and communication we could achieve better results. It is true too that that is REALLY difficult to achieve.

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*privacy ;)

My father had a similar setup, except that my phone was my own. I knew the workarounds, since he didn't know about router-level blocking. At the end of the day it's your parents stuff and if you're doing anything illegal (piracy) they are liable.

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Yes, I meant privacy, sorry for the typo.

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lol no problem, you're probably pirating something so it's on your mind...hahahaha

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Well I'm watching Minnesota-Chicago through an arabic stream because there's no other way of currently viewing it. So I guess I'm pirating things :-(

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It's ok buddy, I was only having a laugh. Not like you're the only one who does.

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I knew, but I feel shocked as I was actually pirating :^P

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So monitoring is the best way? I suppose it would be impossible otherwise to find out which sites are bad.

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Not very often, and not in any major ways. I respected my parents. Now that I'm older, we're friends. I like my parents. They never blacklisted any websites, or censored my life in any way, but explained to me why I should not do things in a reasoned manner and treated me like a thinking person who could make decisions my entire life. And in return, I thought, and made rational decisions. Everyone screws up, but that's another part of growing up. And I'm proud to say I've screwed up a lot less than most people.

I think it's incredibly lazy for parents to demand for the world to change to suit their children, rather than teach their children to experience the world.

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So you have. If you don't censor or take preventative measures to stop your kids from doing something, then you'll likely be playing damage control most of the time.

If an 8 yr old stumbles across a porn site then what? How would you make sure they didn't go on there before without explaining what porn is, or without them knowing what it is?

Surely you don't think it horrible for a parent to want to wait until a kid is a bit older before explaining that type of stuff?

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It may sound strict but its a mix of both approaches. My children are all under 13. If you believe that I will hand them internet accessible devices and not have the ability to rein them in I believe its irresponsible on my part. The porn example is perfect. Too often they hide their content on other less offensive sites and blaw!, 12 yr old is watching 2girls1cup.

I recently had to stop one of my kids from accessing youtube on his own. There is plenty of content that is age appropriate but without constant supervision things can go south quickly. (Which I caught it and why they don't have unrestricted access.)

As for the right to privacy, its a good lesson. Don't put crap out on the internet you don't want someone else to see.

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Of course I have, that's a stupid question. Everyone has, it's a part of life. It sounds like you're trying to imply that if we censor everything then our kids wont disobey us. It's actually the reverse, because if you just censor everything and don't explain anything to your kids, they won't know whats going on and ignorantly make even more poor decisions.

You don't have to explain what porn is, you just say that some parts of the internet are dangerous and not intended for kids. There's an intelligent way to do these things. If your kids respect you, and trust you, they will listen. And if you don't, then you talk to them THEN, and explain what just happened. I'm just saying that you should TALK to your KIDS, and not force the rest of society to bend to your particular whims. Seems like that's a foreign concept to a lot of parents, however.

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Bah, Tor, proxies, VPNs, governments will never be able to successfully do that

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Service providers should be able to.

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Service providers can only inconvience us, not actually block us. My earlier used example of pirate bay, is still accessible to me, despite the ISP block, but I have to go through a proxy. The other method of me evading this, would be to change my DNS settings, and use something such as Google DNS, but the problem there is that I have no wish in messing around with that stuff.

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I thought that was because PirateBay changed their server address.

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Nope, it is definitely a block. Allow me to show you. This is what I see when I try to go to it.

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Huh, I thought Australia had stronger censorship than UK. Guess not.

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Nope. It's pretty bad in the UK, but fortunately our games aren't censored as much.

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;)

Different kind of censorship. With our porn and games being heavily censored it just means they can't legally be sold here. The internet being completely open means we can still access it if we wanted to.

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I was under the impression that Service providers could see everything, but weren't allowed to by law.

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OK, thanks for the info.

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I think that the UK government is far less concerned with stuff like 4chan, and far more concerned with stuff such as piracy. I literally can't get on the pirate bay through my ISP anymore, without using a proxy, and the proxy is rather unreliable, despite thepiratebay having some legitimate content.

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I suspect they're equally, if not even more, excited about building up detailed profiles of their citizens, particularly under the convenient guise of fighting a war against "terror", whatever that is supposed to equate to...

Big brother is in ur computer, harvesting ur informatiunz, as the memesters might put it.

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Yes, but I already know that. Unfortunately, I have to say that their anti-terror methods are actually working, and I've seen this first hand, and even if the methods are a bit draconian, they fucking work.

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They might work but are the results worth the sacrifice? Just asking as I'm not really into that, I have little information about it.

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I've seen the results, and I've seen what it has stopped. In all seriousness, I know that it has saved lives. It's an inconvenience, that is for sure, but the important thing is, that it has saved lives.

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"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

The UK has suffered significant erosion of freedom and privacy in recent years. Maybe it's a necessary evil in terms of preventing deaths and property damage, but in some ways the fanatical religious zealots (I don't like the word "terrorists" - it's too loaded) have won, by successfully biting a chunk out of some of the core tenets of British society which they stand against.

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Still they are fighting the consequence not the reasons. Which is stupid...

And there is always ways around any technical solution...

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Yeah, but I think that's because their not enough research/ exposure to the negative effects a completely uncensored digital world has on our society.

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Well in my opinion ____ . And further more __ _ ___ in _____ . damn their on to me

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Well in my opinion students shall eat apples. And further more visit non porn sites in america . damn their on to me

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you broke the code.

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No, that is just stupid.
You know ,you can block certain contents with the options of your browser....

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Censorship is? Wait, blocking content through the browser (besides being easy to bypass) would still be censorship...so still stupid?

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There is a difference between a optional one and a mandatory one, that seems to be the one you talk about in the OP.

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I never mentioned any methods in the OP. I wouldn't even know how such a thing would be implemented and remain acceptable to society.

I guess I am stupid.

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I think its the difference of Censoring the Internet versus Censoring YOUR computers access to the Internet.
Censoring your computers access is optional. Censoring the Internet itself removes any option.

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I'm not asking who should do the censoring, rather whether it should be done at all.

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There is already software available for concerned parents who want to limit their kids' access to the internet.

I suppose if you're going to legally age restrict films, magazines, etc, you could also construct a convincing case for limiting access to games and websites containing similar material. There isn't really any logical difference. Either you should be "protecting" kids against such material (whatever the format) or you shouldn't.

Where do you strike the balance between allowing parents bring up their offspring as they see best, and attempting to protect kids from parents who simply aren't fit to be looking after children though? Total Freedom (rarely as good as it sounds) vs the Nanny State?

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The problem is most people aren't aware of it, kids being more tech savvy would know how to bypass it.

As for your last paragraph, too deep for this topic I think. Go a little further and you could ask whether everybody should be allowed equal rights to have children.

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Indeed. "Human rights", once you scratch the surface, are all somewhat subjective and deeply problematic. To grant a particular "right" to one person, and treat it as inalienable, may fundamentally infringe on the "rights" of another person.

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I think that problem comes from our ethics as a society. A community should have a similar idea of what a community should be.

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I don't disagree, but it's very difficult to establish a set of inalienable human rights which are independent of behaviour, and the impact of that individual exercising those rights has upon others, and that is the same when applied to any culture or community which seeks to uphold such a premise.

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nah,that's their problem. We don't need the gov't stuffing their noses were they don't belong.

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True, but they do already.

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It beats tv at raising kids.

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Not at all if kids get on games that are rated M i dont give a shit they have the rating and i swear and im not going to stop just cuz a little kid gets on it was his choice.

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I won't block anything from my kids. I used to look at nude photos of woman at grade 4, and watching cartoons like futurama. And hey, I'm not
messed up or anything.

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I don't think there should be any official censorship. That being said, the parents should be able to censor if they feel the need to.

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Likewise, though if my parents were to censor my computer... my life would be over ORZ

and I'll be in BIG trouble xD

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Don't censor internet, don't allow kids on internet until they are 21 ;D

Censorship is bad always.

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Nope. Censorship is bad, mkay

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