Which one should I go for?
true 100% mine is like 10 years old with 6 years of work time and still doing fine lol
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It wasn't just WD. Seagate and Toshiba got caught doing it too.
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HGST is really good too. I think I remember reading that HGST was the most reliable, not sure if that has changed.
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I've had tons of WD and Seagate HDDs go bad on me, they're both terrible brands.
Bought a Samsung 2TB HDD about 5-10 years ago though and it's been working fine ever since. Longest lasting HDD I've ever had.
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I have a Seagate HD that still works really well even after 12 years so maybe you just had bad luck or something with the HD.
Off topic a friend of mine once bought a new pc and then had to send it to warranty because the graphics card was malfunctioning so like I said it could be just bad luck
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+1
Seagate?
There are four things I use as a paperweight in my house.
Why is it a paperweight? Please don't ask.
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Well.... I have this one https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H2RR55Q which is not sshd but having 7200rpm and 256 MB cache. I have it two years, the first one, and no problem detected. Max temperature I get were 44 celsius. Hope I help.
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SSHDs are not really worth it unless you are stuck with a laptop that lacks M.2 slots and you desperately need a lot of internal storage. Buy an SSD for the system and just use an HDD for games/storage. SSHDs are sometimes marketed as gaming HDDs, but unless you literally play a single online game all the time (Valorant, Apex Legends, or gods forbid, Overwatch, CoD, or LoL), it won't help but hinder you a lot.
Seagate, Toshiba, or WD hardly matters these days. Heck, WD is louder nowadays with scandals than anything else, so not like they can actually show anything beyond their very old (and, frankly, worn-out and barely justified) fame of being the only reliable brand—but the thing is, they aren't anymore.
WD Blue or Black, Seagate BarraCuda, Toshiba P or X series are all almost equally good. The 5400 rpm desktop-grade drives are not terrible as they have good speed for low noise. The 7200 rpm "gaming" grade ones are often loud (frankly, I think WD Blacks even nowadays are loud as fuck). 64 MB cache/buffer is a good place to start, but do not overthink it much as it only helps with small-file operations, and only marginally.
You only need to look out for one thing: avoid anything that gas SMR. It is an abomination that destroys speed (and it is also suspected that it murders longevity and reliability). Seagate and WD can be notorious for that, I am not sure about Toshiba.
Also, a tip, since many people seem to get it a tad wrong: HDDs do not need cooling and keeping them cold damages them. Keep them around 40–45°C if you can since that helps the bearings to remain smooth and the head to keep moving nicely. I saw a lot of people actively cooling them by putting a fan on them on ATX cases, and the HDDs were worn out because they were never on operating temperature. (Same goes for SSDs, by the way, they feel the most comfortable around 40°C for better electric flow in the silicone. M.2 drives need cooling because they can get above 80°C.)
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I got green, purple and blue and never had any problems (And knock on wood they still keep running, some for 5+ years), granted i got 5400RPM and a very quiet 200 euro be quiet! case. My dad also never had problems with WD. Overall we used them for 20 years.
Also got like 9 elemental desktops, and 1 passport.
From what i read about other brands atleast 2-3 years ago still had a lot of issues, so even when they might be cheaper i went for WD, maybe things are different now though.
I got a WD green SSD though which life expectancy dropped to 53% in 2 years (games i put on hdd), but mweh only costed 50 euro, and m2 will be quicker, for those i am pro samsung evo.
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So far I never had a single WD that survived over 7 years. WD Green turned out to be an abomination as six of them died on me, all under 4 years. After that, I bumped down my Blue as an external storage-only drive for non-essential stuff.
SeaGate is a mixed bag, I had three drives die under 3 years and one that is still in operation after 8.
Toshiba is now my go-to brand, six years and counting, none died thus far. My primary backup for the important stuff is now Toshiba.
(Also, yes, I may have gone through thirty-odd HDDs in the past 12 years, for my builds and the ones in friends and family. :D)
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SSHD can help with reloading speeds - if you're dying in a game and loading the same level repeatedly, subsequent reloads will become much faster. They won't really hinder you in any way, aside from costing more.
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Are you sure about that temperatures? All i heard is that its best to keep hdds in 25-40°C range, also Google did a test on ~100,000 consumer hard disk drives and numbers above is what they discovered.
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More or less, yes. SSDs need 40–60°C for a good conductivity, but since they are in large houses for SATA3 ones, they usually stay too cool—whereas M.2 drives tend to get too hot. This is one of the reasons, ironically, why they wear out a bit faster than they should.
HDDs start to feel cold under 30. HDD motors have fluid bearings and they are not exactly mineral oil (where the operating temperature is closer to 80–90°C) and it needs to be heated up to maintain good viscosity. But the disks also get uncomfortable over 50 degrees, so it is usually around 40 that is a nice spot for them.
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Eww. Just looked at the specsheets.
https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-2-5-sshd-DS1908-2-2006US-en_US.pdf
2TB 2.5" FireCuda uses SMR, Shingled Magnetic Recording, which means your write speeds will tank after you exhaust the small amount of write cache.
https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-3-5-sshd-DS1903-2-2006US-en_US.pdf
2TB 3.5" uses CMR.
Avoid the SMR drive at all costs.Your write performance will be terrible, and your drive will thrash and Steam freeze when you download updates for games.
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The cache of a hard drive won't really make a noticeable difference in a desktop PC. I wouldn't worry about the cache size in a potential drive.
Higher RPM will be faster, run hotter, make more noise. How much faster, hotter, noisier is very hard to say since few places do hard drive reviews anymore. It's generally a slight difference, as opposed to the night and day difference that an SSD makes - so much faster, and completely silent.
I would get a 1TB SSD - Samsung 860 Evo or Crucial MX 500 - for 1/3 less money, or get a 2TB SSD for only 1/4 more money.
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SSHD's are borderline a scam. Absolutely not worth it for the price they ask (at least in my country).
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I am a long time fan of Seagate hard drives (been using them for nearly 20 years with very few iissues) but that is for traditional disk-platter drives that I trust them. Solid state drives are physically similar to USB flash drives (or to RAM). While I'm sure Seagate SSD's are ok, there are more reliable SSD brands (Samsung is pretty much the king of SSD. SanDisk is now owned by Western Digitial and I've heard they're pretty solid as well). And then you have the Solid State Hybrid Drives. Personally, I am not a fan of them because I have heard they do not have as good of performance as SSDs and are more prone to failure than HDDs. Not sure if the last part is true or not but the consensus online seems to be that SSHD's are barely faster than traditional HDDs but cost enough more to make it not worthwhile.
The best recommendation I can give is neither: either buy 1 SSD + 1 HDD or if you are on a budget, pick the more important of the two things (performance vs space). Since it sounds like the main issue is space, I would assume an HDD would be the better fit. But if you are going to ignore this advice go with an SSHD anyway (despite the list of issues with SSHDs here), then I would say at least go for the 7200 RPM one.
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Don't bother with SSHD, I got one and its just as slow as my regular HDDs.
Get yourself a cheap 4TB HDD or a more expensive 1TB SSD.
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Neither. Get an actual SSD instead. If you need storage, get an additional traditional platter HDD to accompany it.
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I used to have a 2TB Seagate SSHD and it was the worst drive I ever had.
Unlike with ssds, there wasn't any noticeable performance boost compared to a regular hdd, the drive was just as loud as a regular hdd and could get hot enough to use it as a frying pan. Apart from that, the part that handles that synchronization of the ssd cache with the hdd internally is prone to failure, which is exactly what happened in my case as well and which eventaully killed the drive after a little more than 2 years just when the warranty was over. It's very nasty as well, because you don't notice any bad sectors and yet it's gradually getting unreliable, writing or reading corrupted data.
I've replaced that drive with a 4TB WD blue desktop hdd, which performs well and is noticeably cooler. Later on I added a Crucial MX500 ssd. That combo works very well for me.
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I need a new HDD, soon I'll get a Seagate or Western Digital 3-4TB. I don't know anything about these hybrid drives and I don't care either. Get a SSD or a HDD not a hybrid I'd say and skip the hybrid drives period.
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Based on this article (https://www.extremetech.com/computing/313890-nand-flash-ssd-prices-now-expected-to-drop-through-q4-2020) I would wait until the Black Friday sales and then get a SSD.
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Thanks! After seeing the 2TB SSDs prices I instantly thought about Black Friday so I guess I will try to save a little more and maybe get more space if the price on +2TB drops big time
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Glad to be of help!
I'm hoping the price on a 970EVO will drop enough that I can afford it, but I'm not holding my breath, either. 🤣
One thing to keep in mind with SSDs, is that they tend to show little warning before they go all at once. With HDDs, you can run CrystalDiskInfo to get a health report. One way to offset this is to use TRIM and to keep 5% of the SSD empty at all times (for sector reallocating and garbage collecting). [I even went so far as to de-allocate 5% (iirc) of mine.]
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I'm curious, how does TRIM help for the lifespan? I though it was just about performance 👀
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Im going for a 870 qvo not as good but the 970 evo for me costs 490€ while the 870 qv0 is only 260€. I can see the speed difference(more than 6x faster) but I can also see the price difference xD
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yes. For me the 970 evo will only fit correctly and is $170 (regular price), while the 860 evo not only doesn't come in the 1TB size, it also has two slots in the NVME version compared to one slot in the 970 evo NVME. That one extra slot means the difference between being able to not put it in upside down vs putting it in upside down and frying it. (I saw a picture of someone who installed a brand-new NVME upside down and powered on. The melted, twisted mess of plastic and metal was not pretty to see.)
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That must have hurt having a brand new SSD just melting like that, I feel bad for him, I guess he probably watched The Verge for installation tutorials
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if you dont already have SSD, get one.
if you do, and just need storage why not get normal HDD
im assuming you are not using a laptop and physical space is plenty
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I have a SSD for Windows and apps and then an HD for storage and now I need another drive for games so hdd cant do due to extreme loading times on games
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I had problems with WD green 2TB during 3 year (1st series)
I had NO problem with WD red 3 TB:
5 years of using WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 =42.5k hours (movies, music + other long store + some torrents)
6 month WD30EFRX-68EUZN0 =3.3k hours (series + other not so long store + many torrents)
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I find the difference in load times between SATAIII and NVMe to be noticeable, so the main games I'm playing stay on the M.2 SSD.
For me the ideal would be 2TB NVMe, but a 2TB SATAIII SSD "storage drive" isn't a bad compromise.
I would never personally put a HDD in my computer, I have a network server with HDDs for big and slow stuff like videos.
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Good afternoon everybody!
So time has come for me to get a new HD as games just keep getting bigger and bigger and so I need an extra HD to "save" my current one for being overloaded thus increasing its lifetime. I have 2 options both around the same price there is only a 10€ dif between them and my problem relies on whether RPM matter the most or is the cache that matters the most or if being 2.5" will make it hotter easier than the 3.5" one.
If anyone could shed a light on this I would appreciate it because I really need a new HD
PS: After reading your comments and learning that I should stay away from SSHDs I think I will wait a little bit to see if the prices on the 2TB SSDs drop as they are over my budget right now and 1TB just isn´t enough so I guess I have to keep some games on hold for now. Anyway thank you for your help and I will make sure to keep this informations on a notepad or something stored for other HD related questions I might encounter.
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