What do you think about people enetering VR game giveaways even though they dont have a VR headset?
Dude... keep group rants and complaints within the boundaries of the group.
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Rather than a rant this is a warning for other people who wants to make VR giveaways
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Just as an observation, and not to be critical: I'm unsure how it could be interpreted as anything other than a complaint about how members of a specific group lack either basic acronym literacy or basic respect for GA creators. As a consideration on your part, if you're not able to own up to something, and you can't explain how the matter is anything other than what it appears, then perhaps you should give perspectives such as jbond's some additional consideration, and address such concerns more directly.
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Hmm you know I heard there is an extension called ESGST wich has a hide button for discussions.
So if you think this is a trash topic just use it.
Steamgifts has other groups with play your won games rule.
I made this topic so people won't make the same mistakes I made. That is all.
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I think the only "problem" jbond, Sooth and yes, I, have is the title of the thread as it appears to bash one group in particular (as opposed to people in general). I understand your frustration and have often wondered myself how many people seem to have a VR headset. The sheer number of people entering a VR GA is astounding and would suggest that more than half of the players already have a VR (comparing numbers of various non-VR GAs with VR GAs - obviously, this comes with a caveat: it always depends on so many factors, including personal taste of potential entrants).
But to state one specific group name just comes across as petty instead of being a warning for other GA creators, regardless of groups.
Having said all that, I understand why you did it and that it was well-intended.
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I heard there are many groups with "play your won game" requirement. But I only know PA groups name. That is why I named it. As a matter of fact I am glad to be a member of that group. Almost half of my won giveaways are from that group. I had no intention of targeting them :(
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I realise that. :)
I was merely trying to point out how others, including myself, may perceive the initial statement in the threat title.
Let's try a short thought experiment:
Let us pretend you won one of my GAs and had a prior win which you had not activated, for whichever reason. I feel slightly annoyed. If I now started a thread "Check whether guys like alexan310 activated their games!", my intention may be to make sure that people check whether winners of their GAs have activated prior wins, but I chose you as an example thus pointing out that you, of all people, are the bad apple.
As I said, I can relate to your frustration (I had to reroll for various reasons, including the winner already owning the game or not owning the base game in case of a DLC). But your thread title doesn't properly convey your annoyance with the actual people disregarding the fact that it is a VR game. It comes across as if you were annoyed by the group Playing Appreciated, which I know you are not.
Never be afraid to voice your opinions, be it in real life or the internet. Just be aware of how your statements might come across to others, especially when made in a moment of utter annoyance and in an emotional state. ;)
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I understand that if I named an indivisual I would be targeting them but would the same aplly to groups too?
I just can't grasp the concept here. I did not complain about how that group was ruled. Said nothing about it's admins or mods.
But maybe you are right. I rewrote everything in a very roundabout way to avoid misunderstandings.
Also you are very nice and helpful. Thank you :)
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In my eyes the principal remains the same whether it concerns a single person or a group of people. As soon as we single out someone (again, not necessarily a single person but also a group of people), even as an example for a general problem, we must be aware that this can be construed as attacking this particular target.
It is a difference to say "Be careful of drug dealers" (where I target all drug dealers) or "be careful of people like these drug dealers from Austria" (where I specifically point out one particular group, despite saying you should be careful of all who are like them). There may be a reason why I included them specifically (maybe something really terrible happened lately and I want to draw attention to it), but the fact remains, it is now focusing on drug dealers from Austria. So Austrians (and not only the drug dealers) might feel offended because they were singled out as being bad or problematic, when in fact the problem isn't Austria or its people but the drugs.
You may have experienced the same in different variations. Either because of religion, culture, country, sex, ...
It is difficult to realise how something we say may be received by others at times, and often we end up being disrespectful or outright hurtful without intention. The important thing is to learn from these things and think about how it would affect us if we were at the receiving end.
But most importantly, do not take any of the things in this thread as personal criticism or the absolute truth. We all have our opinions and while they may differ, it is important to allow others to have their own opinions and try to have constructive discussions about it without being snide, arrogant or rude. It is so incredibly important, in these days maybe more than ever, to have your own opinion and not be afraid to state it in a respectful way.
My general rule:
First make up your mind and form an opinion based on as much diverging information as you can get.
Then form an opinion based on that, keeping in mind that you and your opinion are not worth more or less than anyone else.
Once you have reached that opinion, don't be afraid to defend it against others. But also don't be afraid to change it and admit that you were wrong about something. This is the only way to grow and evolve.
Sorry for the slightly off-topic philospohical meandering... :D
On a side note: You also seem to be a very nice and understanding person, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered writing these long responses. ;)
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Well since more people told me the same thing I guess you were right. At first I thought with this discussion I can prevent people making the same mistakes I made. Apparently just writing about problems you experienced is equal to ranting.
I will yield to majoritarian democracy and will not create another discussion like this :(
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Ok now I edited (rewrite) everything now it doesn't appear appear like rant or complaint. Maybe it was the frustration that got to me. I don't know.
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Well since more people told me the same thing I guess you were right. Maybe I really shouldn't create discussions like this since this is a appears to be a minority problem :(
Edit: I rewrote everything. Now it ishould be just an innocent warning.
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No worries - I get what you were going for, I think it was just a bit misleading and made a few people (including me) misunderstand your motives. Cheers. :)
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In a public giveaway, chances are even higher that the winner will be someone without a VR headset, but they are more likely to just keep quiet about it, activate it, and have another +1 win they will never play (except for idling it if it has any cards) ;)
At least the entrants in the group were honest, even though it's pretty low entering giveaways for stuff they don't even know anything about. Way too few ever bother with reading descriptions, sad.
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They need to be honest. Because PA group checks if winners played their won game within a month. If you just idle it and don't get even the simplest achievements you will be kicked from the group.
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I considered joining the group earlier, to give out games to people who would play them, so I checked in every now and then to see how it went, but I was discouraged when I saw that many joined the group, won 5-20 games in a month, which they never touched, and when they were kicked out for not following the rules, the damage was already done, since they tried winning as much as possible (and succeeded in doing so). So obviously some people didn't care, but maybe it's better today? Haven't checked for some time.
You guys should have a "hall of shame" or similar for those users :D
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Unfortunately it still happens :(
But I won some nice games from that group so I just wanted to give back. I guess VR games are a bad idea for groups like this.
Now that I think about it if they were just leechers who want to abuse the group they wouldn't care and want a reroll right?
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Yeah, my early impressions of the group were rather dubious, given how much grace was given even to users who had made it fairly clear that their intentions toward the group were purely exploitative. I certainly appreciate the concept, but at least earlier on it didn't seem to do an adequate job of protecting the GA creators within the group.
Personally, if I were running the group, I'd double-layer it, with a verified group and a probationary group, with the first group having access to both group sets. It'd minimize need for immediate management while allowing reputable group members better control over the risk associated with their giveaways.
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Try contacting the admins if you're still interested in the group, as far as the in-group discussions went,the problem is largely solved... or it's just under my radar. The staff surely will be able to tell you more about how is it going with the issue, but it feels leagues better than the initial 1-2months.
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I think it's hard to police a group like that. On the one hand, you want to make it accessible to as many people as possible, while on the other you want to shut out those that won't play their games.
They currently require that you play at one of your un-played wins as proof of your dedication to playing games, or create a giveaway, in order to join the group. You could certainly abuse that relatively easy entry requirement, but I don't know how you wouldn't feel terrible about yourself afterwards.
For what it's worth, the vast majority of the group do play their wins, and I've seen the group admins follow up with people who didn't play their wins, which directly resulted in those people apologizing and playing their wins.
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I had the same thought about PA at first, and withheld joining until months later. I think now the majority of the members are staying and playing the games. At least all the games I've given in PA has been attempted.
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I wouldn't make any VR giveaways at all, too few have VR sets.
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Actually if the person hasn't checked what they're signing up to, it's their fault.
I think as the giveaway creator, it should be made clear that this is a VR giveaway.
And then if someone wins and doesn't have VR gear, well they are fully responsible for their actions and will have 30 days to find a friend who has the Vive or Rift.
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I think as the giveaway creator, it should be made clear that this is a VR giveaway
The game's name was: Temple Raid VR
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It does seem pretty straightforward, but to make it perfectly clear maybe you could put in the description "This game requires a Virtual Reality headset to play. Don't enter if you don't own a headset". Then if they still enter there's no excuse.
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I can think of VRChat as a counter example, since many people play it without owning a VR headset.
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What exactly happens if they don't play it within a month? If they enter everything without checking, they're just in this group to win a lot and not for the cause of this group. The group admins should make a rule for it then ga creators know what to do. (IMHO they should get the same "punishment" as if they don't play it within a month)
But you should open this discussion on the group board and not here. :)
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If you don't play your win in a month you get kicked. There is a system for it and it works magically.
I also track the ones who got kick because of breaking this rule and blacklist them <3 Just like this guy but for another reason
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Seriously? You blacklisted me?
I play all my PA giveaways you know
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Olay oyunları oynamamak değil, burayı ağlama duvarı yapmak :)
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I also track the ones who got kick because of breaking this rule and blacklist them <3 Just like this guy
Yazdığınla yaptığın tutmuyor arkadaş onu diyorum. Şurada yaşadığımız sıkıntıdan başkaları ders çıkarsın diye birşey yazdık hemen ağlama duvarı diye yapışırıvedin gari :)
Sen bilirsin ne yapayım. Şu steamgiftste yazdığın herşey blacklist olarak döner diyorlardı da inanmamıştım. Ben de önceki mesajlarından seni yardımsever biri sanmıştım...
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You're still a member, not kicked, so I don't really know how morikalina's reasoning works.
edited because I barely use the group tool and I fucked up a date, sorry.
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Apparently he just blacklisted me because he thinks I was ranting...
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What exactly happens if they don't play it within a month?
They get kicked from the group after a month. Some people just use group as a one month booster. Get as many games as they can within a week.
But you should open this discussion on the group board and not here. :)
At first I thought with this discussion I can prevent people making the same mistakes I made but since you are the third person saying this to me now I guess I am minority among minorities. I won't create discussions like this anymore :(
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Don't get me wrong your discussion isn't as unnecessary as a lot of others here but I think those who you want to alert with this you'd better reach at the group itself. :)
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I rewrote everything. This is just a waning discussion now :)
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Why are you bothering with the rerolling? He has to play the game within a month. He doesnt have a VR gear then he is going to get kicked propably. You are helping the group I think...
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What would happen if the winner refuses my GA. Will it be "not received" or "no winner"
Anyway I created a ticket to delete GA. I will just lose a GA slot which can be earned easily :)
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It goes for a reroll again.
I hope it ends well for you :)
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A winner has the right to refuse a gift in any circumstances dawg.
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If he doesnt activate it sure. I dont think a person that enters a VR GA for this specific group didnt search the game beforehand.
I think it is his fault if he activates it.
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Hhrm? Well sure, but I mean activating the gift is accepting it so of course it can't be rejected.. I'm confused about where the idea of activation even pops up here. The original post was about rerolling twice, while your own post was saying to make them take it instead of rerolling, but in either situation the implication is its working course otherwise there'd be nothing to reroll in the first place and its a different discussion entirely.
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You are right. Apparently is not a good idea to answer in a post if you are tired enough to miss words! xD
I missed the "ask you to reroll" point of the thread. Sorry for the confusing answer.
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No offense, but from your story I clearly see those 2 is the type of person who's only aiming for +1
it's their fault for joining without thinking, and You don't really have to obligee their request
You can just reroll AFTER report them to the group leader
that's also the reason why I never touch PA group
I don't have the luxuries of time to play a game seriously for a month
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I think it should be impossible to refuse giveaways, outside special circumstances like already having the game.
Or maybe joining is too easy and we really really need captchas... I have also come across idiots who don't check what they join...
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I fucked up with a few giveaways - like joined a group only one alone (I don't even remember joining) but took it because I was the only entrant, another times (maybe 2 times) I just asked for a reroll because changed my mind on the run, and decided that I rather won't have the game. On the other hand I can see where you're coming from, it's surely not easy easy to give away a VR game if most people don't have access to the tools, but they are forced to play it and also have the right to ask for a reroll.
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Easily fixed.
Can't join the group without proof of VR. Picture of headset with your username written on paper with it.
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This is not a complicated question, so don't try to make it one.
If the group requires the winner to play the game then it is the responsibility of the members of the group to not enter giveaways without consideration of these rules. No exceptions.
There will always be freak accidents like some game just not working on a certain graphics card or a game having a gamebreaking bug you can't get past - and these exceptions are allowed for in the rules of these groups. Entering a game that is very obviously not compatible with your system on the other hand should be a one way ticket out of the group.
There is plenty of public giveaways for the people who just want a +1 or idle for cards. These groups are specifically for people who don't enter giveaways mindlessly.
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^this.
Although maybe the group rules should spell it out along the lines of
"Don't be a dumbass and enter GAs for games that you can't play because you lack the hardware. (VR sets, minimum specs for the game etc.)".
And then cross fingers that people follow that rule.
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Well, some VR games can be played without a VR, so I always check the steampage before entering. IF the VR is required, I hide this and future GAs for this game since I don't have one. But if you can play the VR game without the headset I enter. So really it's all about looking at steam first for me.
Also happy cakeday, awesome name!
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Exactly. The group requires you to play it, don't enter if you know you can't play it. Mistakes may happen but it's not the responsibility of the GA creator so there shouldn't be a rule excluding VR games.
If the user has redeemed the key and refuse the gift, report it (to sg and the group manager), he's breaking SG rules. If the key hasn't been redeemed, he may ask to reroll.
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Play your game for an amount of time isnt just opening it? I dontv have vr set and i have vr games xD.
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Think about a group that you need to unlock some achievements or get kicked from it.
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The creators should be able to decide for themselves. After all, if they get more reroll requests than usual in the end, it hurts them (having to file tickets etc.) so if they know the risks and want to share VR giveaways too, I don't see why they shouldn't. Also, the winners will face the usual punishment if they don't play them (unless they ask for a reroll in good faith of course). All in all, I don't see any problem here.
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Winners wanted reroll two times in a single giveaway that I created so I wanted to warn other giveaway creators of this risk. That is all :)
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Since people told me naming groups and whatnot is targeting and talking about my experience is ranting I am rewriting this.
When you make VR giveaways for a group that requires winners to play their won game within a certain amount of time there is a risk winner not having a VR headset. So they might ask you to reroll x2. All I want to say is if you are going to make a VR giveaway don't make it for groups like these. Make it public since not many people have VR headset.
This was supposed to be warning to other users at first but took a turn for entirely another direction so I am gonna close this discussion within a day...
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