too many good steamgifts user are banned without reason, like posting forum posts etc. maybe the yshould unban all users ?
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or maybe there are too many people like you who only take and never giveback
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He/she's got a point though.
Personal attack won't change that.
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It's almost as if this isn't 4chan and there are guidelines for posting on forums and in GA comments too, and your GA stats don't give you immunity from getting banned for your posting.
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But just like on 4chan mods=gods.
Rules are still based on mod judgment and that leads to some really interesting interpretations. Especially if you just have to get rid of some users xD
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I've never seen an active online community where mods weren't accused by some users of the abuse of power. And it's almost always largely exaggerated, although I'm sure you're right about some questionable interpretations of the rules taking place. Still, the suggestion to unban all banned users is ludicrous, and it would only lead to forums turning into a complete shithole lol.
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Yeah! Let's bring Konrads back! /s
She's got a point with banning users part xD Can't imaginne unbanning them all though.
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One more post from me (I know you like to read those because of my brilliant humor).
I searched a bit, and latest mention of steamgifts dying I found it 6 years old: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/yAmSe5D
I didn't search thoroughly, so there may be even older records, but it's not important. My idea is that and even if SG is dying indeed - it may as well last for another 6 years, and we still may have some time to have fun here.
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Maybe but i would bet my money on a much shorter timeframe.
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Why? From your picture it seems that decrease is getting slower over time, not faster. And, from your picture, it seems that number of giveaways dropped about 5x times in 6 years, even if it does not getting slower as I said, it would mean that in 6 years we will still have about 5k giveaways per month - that's not so bad.
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2021 -> 2022 was a bigger jump than 2019 -> 2021 so I wouldn't say it's slowing. And while there are less giveaways I'm pretty sure there are more entries tho (at least on the middle levels).
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Why = The friendly, generous gifters go, the discussions are only a shadow of the past, more and more bottom of the barrel people join the site (multiaccounts, autojoiners etc.).
Which means lesser GAs, a lower quality of the GAs in general and more entires which means lesser chances.
Not to speak from people like me that do GAs nearly only in groups that not each one can join.
And that i stopped to write reports and stopped to hunt the cheaters, because it is wasted lifetime if the amount are so extreme high and the admin don't care, should say something too (at least the ones that know me a bit).
Some people think i am arrogant that i expect a visible difference in a few months but i think i am a realist and know very well which high impact my reports and hunting had and how much more the cheaters got over the last years (special in the last, i see 2 new autojoiners each week, and that are only the dumbest ones that do it absolute openly and jump into the spotlight. From my point of view is one guy or a small group of people behind dozens, if not hundred, accounts).
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Multiaccouners and bots were here always, even before you joined. And yet somehow the site was alive. Actions from steam side were much more sensitive to the site, imho. Indifference of cg is more important reason though. Well, we'll wait and see how it goes.
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Since other people and i hunt them, and catched a lot, they got more and not lesser. Nowadays i see two new autojoiners each week, of course the stupid ones that jump into the spotlight and do it public (much more are not so visible). And how many get catched each week ? Let me assume nearly zero, because the mods don't have the needed tools and permissions.
It's a fight against windmills with bound hands behind the back, because the admin don't care how much time the mods or members invest as long as he earn money with the site (on the back of each one that do something, not important if creating a GA or reporting a cheater).
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I don't think admin earn a lot from this site, but I agree that he does not care what happens here, that's true. Actually, that's why I believe he don't earn much, if anything - if it was a great source of income he might be more motivated to do something about autojoiners/multi-accounters.
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(I'm kinda afraid to post in a flame-y discussion like this at all, but I guess I should chirp in there.)
If you go by that logic then SteamGifts has been dying since 7 years ago and died probably about 5 year ago. (Granted that's when my depression peaked so maybe I've just been seeing things in a worse light since then. In retrospect, it was never all sunshine and roses but the darker aspects became more and more apparent over time.) Before that people just... kinda wanted to have fun. There were lots of puzzles, friendly discussions and most people gave away games because they wanted to, not because the precedent was that they had to.
Now look where we are... everything is about the numbers... Giveaways seem to be more about paying to be in the Cool Kids Who Make Giveaways Club than about the actual games. Or at least that's what the vocal side of the site seems to present (honestly, this thread is all over the place). The majority of people who were around back in the fun times have either left or don't really interact with the overall "community" much.
I mainly blame the shift on the "CV" system that changed the user-base's priorities over time... but also in large part on the people who abused Steam's regional prices back then which caused Valve to kill gifting directly through Steam (a lot of people became less active after that).
So, yeah, SteamGifts isn't dying. It's long dead...
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Does that count include invitation-only giveaways? because there were over 2100 invitation-only giveaways in just one train last month.
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I was level 7 in one single hour I become level 4
I sent 100 dollars of stuff but because low attendance it counts as 0 value to the system.
Not complaining this is the system and raffles will move accordingly.
I mainly send direct gifts from steam friends list
no humble no fanatical no bundle
just an example
elsewhere I am at top level and tomorrow will be at top level and forever will be at top level.
one guy threatened at one of the giveaway topic I have created (3 persons already got served at that raffle) and I refused to send him anything and 3 months later I get banned for 5 days for the reason creating a fake giveaway.
still not complaining just trying to give an example.
every action has a reaction and thats your stats.
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If you check their giveaways, they actually did. They gave away 4 copies of Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization Deluxe Edition, the problem was that the giveaway was only for Turkey and Level 7+ users... so it comes as no surprise that it didn't reach the needed 5 entries for it to count.
edit: As others pointed out down below, this isn't correct.
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its very normal for here and I underline again I am not complaining. I can send much more right this minute If I wanted too. I dont care about zero value of something here that I paid in real or levels that moves day and night. Just supporting the stats subject, stats represents what we all do, its like a mirror of the community.
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Have you thought about why it was restricted to Turkey only? Maybe because one copy cost the equivalent of just $1.20 in Turkish Lira at the time of the giveaway and it most probably couldn't be gifted to any other country (except for maybe Argentina) because of Steams 10%-rule? So: no, they didn't send "100 dollars of stuff". The interesting part about this is that - at least judging by their name on here - they might not even be from Turkey but rather from Greece, which has the € as currency, but also happens to be really close to Turkey. Coincidence?
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that is just one of my giveaways that guy mentioned here. Just one not all. many sent and counted as zero value. Underlining again not complaining but these things like looking a giveaway creator like a criminal, cheater, like a test subject will also affect stats on the long run.
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I did kinda think about it, but I just checked if it was bundled... should have known that something was suspicious with the region restriction.
Oh well, thanks for letting me know.
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Those copies cost them 1.23 EUR each because of regional pricing. Would have been typical exploiting of regional prices for fast levelling. Though I still don't support putting games on the reduced / zero CV list because of regional prices as it punishes other people in less cheap regions. Maybe heavy region restrictions should decrease the received CV instead so games don't have to be put on the list needlessly.
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Maybe heavy region restrictions should decrease the received CV instead so games don't have to be put on the list needlessly.
That would be a fantastic and fairly simple solution, but it requires new code on behalf of cg, so I put the odds of it ever happening at 1:8276167
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Simple yes, but not so fantastic. People will just create closed groups, take there only users from the same region and create giveaways without setting the region lock. Boom, full CV! It actually happened before, on SGv1, when region locked giveaways were forbidden.
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It does not explain 7->4 level drop. This giveaway just won't get any CV at all.
My doubt is based on the fact that level 7 is 1000$+ and level 4 is less than 250$. So, for this drop one need to either instantly get majority of giveaways added to bundled list, or 75% of giveaways added to no-CV list. It's kinda TOO GREAT coincidence when someone gives away non-bundled games and they suddenly become bundled all at once. To me it sounds like "I tried to abuse the system, but system was smarter".
Also, funny thing, I just realized that if they indeed spend 100$ on gifts - it means that CV system works PERFECTLY, because 100$+ corresponds exactly to level 4. They got all what they paid for!
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Most of the drop probably came from stuff like this:
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Tkuim/borderlands-2-mechromancer-pack#tVxCg3i
Apparently at the time of the giveaway, it cost 40P to enter although the base price has never been more than $10.
Also this is one of the apps that doesn't have its own price first on its Steam page but the price of the GOTY pack, which happens to be $40:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/213230/Borderlands_2_Mechromancer_Pack/
That has led to wrong CV on SteamGifts in the past. So it most probably gave (reduced?) CV calculated from $40 rather than $10 at the time. So at least 17 x 6 = $102.
(It might even have been full CV at the time which would have been $680. Is it possible to check when exactly the CV got reduced retroactively?)
Since it is now 10P to enter, this apparently got fixed and the CV probably retroactively got reduced to 17 x 1.5 = $25.50.
Also it happens to be the case that at the time of the giveaway (and to this day), keys for this DLC were / are around $0.40 to $0.50 a piece in the grey area:
https://gg.deals/dlc/borderlands-2-mechromancer-pack/
So they most probably paid less than $8.50 for that initial $102 CV (or even $680, if it was full CV at the time).
It's highly likely that by digging into the other giveaways one would find more stuff like this. And in combination with the (in parts only attempted) exploitation of regional prices, it is pretty safe to say that it was/is intentional behaviour.
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Is it possible to check when exactly the CV got reduced retroactively?
I was sure that it's possible, but either I'm wrong or it was removed recently when no-CV status was added to bundled games list.
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And suddenly there is a lot of giveaways for this DLC on IndieGala where apparently it still counts for way more value than it should. And of course there's some known names from here. Funny how that works. ^^
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That's not really fair because lots of bundles will get you 5+ CV for every 1 USD spent, sometimes even 10 CV. On the other hand Steam gifting is not only more cumbersome but inherently more risky, too. If you gift unbundled games that are 80-90% off to get the same value as an average bundle would give you then you can easily get screwed over if your gifted game gets put on the reduced CV list rectroactively just because somebody from Turkey or Argentina gifted it, too.
If I didn't have to fear that happening I'd gift a lot more from my Steam wallet.
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Why is this even posted here? It has nothing to do with the subject of "sg dying"
Is this the "general grievances" thread now?
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No. It always has been a "general grievances" from what I've been reading..
This is -almost- the most off topic one so far (if anything is even on topic xD This imo is a "topicless discussion" xD it's was just an observation)
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I was there when playblink died, I will be there when sg dies, listening to the violin players while the ship sinks
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Well, playblink was just turned off by admin "for maintenance" and then never turned on again (and admin never returned donated gifts, what a jerk)
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Changing? Sure, mostly because A) it's been around for a long time and everything changes over time and B) it's based on game bundles, and the world of game bundles looks a lot different today than it did ten years ago.
Dying? Nope.
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The giveaways are low because bundles now are scarce and expensive.
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SG will probably die the day after I hit level 10 on here >.>
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I think a lot has to do with Humble Bundle, how many people stopped doing giveaways once the $1 tier become the pathetic mess it is today.
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Holy crap, I'm glad I clicked on this topic. I haven't had this much entertainment in weeks. My favorite was the rabbit hole of the guy who pretended to be his own mom.
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the recent 2k+ giveaway train would say otherwise :P
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We should all post kitty gif before it is too late.
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They know the save spots.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574967312554131465/1026450534024089650/KittenCreator.mp4
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You have really a mental problem that should be handled.
You create a FAKE story with fake stats and infos.
I answered to a lot of the stuff you list (with facts that can be checked -not as your accusations that only exist in your head-) AND you still repeat the bullshit as it would be a truth now....
1.) Tickets number wrong
2.) To talk about someone and to ask others to help to report games of some specific user are 2 very different things (and the screenshot show very well that i have no problem with you).
3.) I bought the 10 booster packs (the games you talked about from lootboy) -check it in the lootboy thread as i said-. But you don't want to read something that don't fit to your crazy story.
4.) Build my account with free keys from lootboy = ROFL :D
5.) Complain to the mods, that have partly answered you before in other threads about games that got reduced to free or bundled. But you don't liked their answers so you ignore them too and pretend that all is a surprise, shady, hidden etc..
For more details read from here https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/el5yk8r down (if you really want to read all the bullshit...)
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I think the recent community train and events like that prove otherwise? Just my opinion.
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- hikes of prices messing up with the purchase power of the middle class in the western world
- bundles craze is over and a big reason for it is bigger companies buying bundlers over and grossly increasing prices while decreasing quality. less unwanted games to give away because the games are not purchased in the first place with the bundles because they all suck. and in turn less demand for the games given away. crap low-quality "games" flooding the market didn't seem to help in the long run
- amazon prime, microsoft game pass and other things became a thing and hijacked all the spotlight, retention and customer allocated time (likely not just bundles but steam itself is starting to stale or even flop)
- social media kept growing in the past years, along with it monetizations over anything. that's more time and money not spent on gaming, out of a pool of less available money
- game fatigue and just less good games being released overall
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Wow it's almost like people have less expendable income and time due to various personal and global circumstances. Also people really don't give out games when the incentive (levels and the ability to enter better giveaways) is diminished due to every single game being bundled and their value being reduced to one or two stars.
Also, sadly game devs nowadays don't really sell on other platforms besides Steam which means less keys for actual fully valued games which means resorting to the awful gifting system. If Steam let people to actually purchase keys instead of just gifts, then there would be more giveaways.
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