spamming = You made a post asking the same exact thing other people have done. You show carelessness by either refusing to check the forum to see if your post will be a copy, or you simply didn't care.
ban avoiding = You logged into an alternate account to complain about the banning of your primary account. You were banned from the forums, not just your primary account. You demonstrated that you're the kind of person who will ignore a ban if you can. I think the CSGO forum has a way to appeal a ban without relying on the forum itself.
While your complaint is valid, your methods are worth banning for.
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People post the exact same thing as other people have hundreds of times a day, do they get banned? I don't think so. If it happens multiple times, yes, but for making 1 thread?
There's no way to appeal a ban. They don't provide any means to appeal a forumban.
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You can file a complaint with Steam Support, or you can contact a moderator; that's the closest anybody is ever going to get to an "appeal" in Valve's closed little world. Complaining doesn't do jack, though -- no matter who you go to, what kind of evidence you provide, or how lucid your argument is, they won't investigate. Steam's in-house community circles the wagons whenever complaints like yours come to light. They don't give a shit.
I went through the whole tiring process when I was banned for creating a thread linking to a non-referral sale at a competitor's site (this happened at the original forums). Nobody I talked to bothered with the evidence I provided, and support prematurely closed the case after I politely followed up a week later with a progress inquiry.
Steam's volunteers mods are, for the most part, petty little power-hungry skagsuckers. There's absolutely no oversight on Valve's part, so the mods can get away with whatever they want.
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Valve doesn't even seem to care when the mods are caught blatantly breaking rules. If anything becomes too public, Valve just tries to hush it up.
I do sometimes wonder how long Valve and Steam can coast on the reputation and good will they established over the years. Other sites directly compete with and sometimes beat the sales that garnered that good will, while Steam has been severely deficit in other areas. About the only thing they have left is inertia and easy updates. Valve doesn't seem to care about running or improving Steam, and instead focuses on the next new shiny gimmick. (Which is one of my bigger worries with SteamOS. What happens with it six months or a year from now, when the new shine has worn off and Valve employees start to lose interest?)
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I don't consider your question "spamming" as others seem to do. I think its all dependent on where the post is being made. Many Steam users do not engage with the community unless there's a problem and so many do not know or even think of to search for the same question, even though a Google search of a specific problem will probably bring up similar posts. IMO a game breaking problem SHOULD be posted about multiple times to wake the PTB up to it.
Where you fucked up was complaining on an alternate account. I can't have any remorse for you there. Take your punishment and if necessary, contact an admin or moderator privately to discuss it.
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elvper seriously bro those steam mods are morons im totally with u on this one
lets plan something against steam.. im good at this blackmailing against big corporations shit
add me on steam lets talk this out
were gonna get u unbanned. justice shall be served
pce
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_< I would like not to generalize what happened. Because one mod bans on emotions doesn't mean they all do.
I've seen forummod Frazier come by a lot, and he's cool, doesn't just ban wherever he can.
Also Steam support has helped me good and fast in the past. (But I doubt that they'll reply good and fast for this ban now).
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A couple of things. Valve's decision to have servers default to 64-tick rate is over a year old and lots of people have complained about it. It's possible to have a private server with a 128-tick rate if you feel that it makes that much of a difference (a lot of the time users just haven't upgraded their client-side configuration). That being said, you probably got the raw end of the deal for asking about it (no idea how you went about asking though, so who knows).
What you did next is a clear violation of the rules. In using a different account to bypass a previous ban (temp. or not) you went again the ToS and so whatever happened next is up to the moderators. Just saying.
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Why isn't it just part of the game? I don't know about anyone else, but if they do not want to fix their broken game and ban people for making their own fixes or asking for them, I see it as a blessing to no longer be part of their community and wouldn't buy a shitty game of theirs ever again.
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I wish mods on SG were like that :(
"My CV is n-"
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Make a petition, because it's not the mods you need to appeal to. ;)
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Throughout this thread I've noticed OP repeatedly trying to act as if the community ban was unjustified. Dodging a ban is never justifiable, and you can't defend it. End of story.
If you though the original forum ban was wrong you should have opened a ticket complaining about an abusive mod. But did you? No. You thought "Oh, I KNOW WHAT! I can just dodge the ban and further spam the forum!"
Suck it up and try not to behave in a way that gets you banned in the future.
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Didn't further spam the forum, only made one thread to complain about the ban. And if I want to I can still easely post on the forum with another account. Would that get me banned? No. I've just gotten the ban cuz the forummod can't handle his emotions nor seperate emotions from moderating.
You're acting all like you're mister perfect. Would love to see your reaction when you get an unjustified ban because some forummod has a crappy life and decides to work his frustrations out on you.
I've never seen a mod ban for stupid reasons like this. I've seen forummod Frazier a lot on the forums. Does he ban people immediately because they made ONE thread with a complaint (that could be considered spam by some). No he does not, he simply closes the thread and replies to not do it, problem solved. Would you throw somebody who has stolen an apple in jail? And what do you think, that asking somebody to not steal apples works best or putting them in jail? If you put him in jail you criminalize him and portray him as the big bad thief, stealing wil go easier for him because he has already gotten the label.
Did this experience made me want to follow the rules better? No exactly the opposite. I won't give a f*ck about rules in the future, I'll just watchout to not get caught. I've never broken any rule in 7y and then because some mod has a bad day I should just accept that, and let him treat me like crap and even threaten me?
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Get a grip man. You're comparing throwing someone in jail to getting banned from a, frankly, useless forum for a month. Seriously, what kind of charmed life have you been leading up to this point? How would I respond to an unjustified ban from a frigging forum? Compared to the kind of unjustified things that have happened in my life, (hell, anyone's life) a ban from that kind of forum would roll off my back like nothing.
And even if it did upset me so much, I'd handle it in a way that would be more likely to get the person responsible in trouble, rather than digging my own hole deeper. This has nothing to do with me being perfect, it's just me being normal. You understand what I'm saying here? You're failing at reaching the normal level of behavior. Shape up, be better. I guarantee this isn't the only place in life that you're acting like a self-righteous, entitled, whining baby. The sooner that you can accept that you screwed up, the better.
Take a look at how well your plea for sympathy is going here. Most people think you're in the wrong. And, guess what: You ARE in the wrong.
And I implore you to learn to live within the rules. If this thread is any suggestion of your capabilities, you'll just screw up and get into more trouble trying to break the rules.
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In Belgian law we've got something called incitement (not sure if it's a 100% correct translation). Which in legal cases is more than enough to avoid punishment. In this case, with the initial forumban I've gotten, it's incitement because the forummod banned me while I didn't break any rules.
In our law there's also something called: 'irresistible urge'. This is mainly used for very very bad crimes, and can reduce punishment by law for crimes you've comminted, after somebody incited you. Usely it more than halves the expected sentence, and can even cause acquittal. I think applies too, after the ban for not breaking rules and the forummod addig me to threaten me.
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First with the "hurr durr, it's like throwing someone in jail," and now incitement laws that are intended for cases like assault/murder? Are you ing me? Like I said: Get a ing grip. You're losing it man.
Getting banned from a forum for a month can hardly be considered incitement. Incitement is something like someone threatening/harming you -- not some petty forum ban. And no, the concept doesn't scale down in this way. You raged out because of something minor, and even if Steam were held to the same legal standards as a court, you'd still be viewed as having behaved outside of what would be considered normal.
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This sounds more like a cry to be unbanned then an actual problem with Steam. This is your problem making it public will help you in no way. Talk to Steam. Make a new account. Crying will do nothing for you at all it just causes more problems.
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Not crying, just making it as public as possible, tomorrow I'll post it on every possible forum that has any connection to steam, twitter etc...
This makes getting unbanned more unlikely because they gonna be mad that I portray them badly.
But I want to spread to word as much as possible, out of revenge for a part. If I had to choose between the forummod losing his powers or unban, I'd choose the forummod to lose his powers. Because moderating <-> emotions. Mods should be objective.
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First off please go back to some basic English classes. You need them. You are hurting your chances of getting unbanned. Talking to Steam and simply telling them what happened could possibly both get you unbanned and the mod in trouble. A lot of people, as you said, do say Steam support is bad but in the one major problem I needed help with the answered me within a day or two and had the problem fixed very quickly. Did I go out and post it and cry? No. While SG is not at all related to Steam and the chances of anyone that works for Steam seeing this is very unlikely but this is still uncalled for. Where do you take care of your personal problems? In private or out in a public park with a bunch of people? You are crying for attention. I personally think your ban should be longer just for this post. If you really want to take part in the winter sale that bad make a new account. I hope it gets banned right after the sale.
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The Op is just airing his grievances. He's allowed to do that, just like you're allowed to whine about it. BTW, there's nothing wrong with his English.
You're living in fantasy land if you think any further communication with Steam reps is going to get the OP unbanned (I'm referring to the forum ban, not the Community ban -- OP got what he deserved when he ignored the rules there). That's not how things work in Valve Land. It's pretty obvious you've never dealt with them beyond some kind of piddly account issue.
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Not like they reply to my support ticket (as I expected). Looking at what people with a ban have to say isn't a priority for them. The Valve employee that gave me the community ban most likely hasn't even looked at the thread I first made, which has gotten me banned. My english is fine, just haven't slept in 48 hours and I'm just typing everything fast.
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I take it your ban is from CSGO forums, not all forums. From the sounds of it you were reposting a well known topic that was being removed by forum mods. Which you can be banned for doing so. Just be happy it isn't a perma ban? Typically a ban is 3 days and then it becomes harsher depending on what you are doing.
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In the past I've had positive interactions with them. But I've only contacted them 3 times in 7 years time.
There are people who constantly spam them with questions that people aren't even supposed to send to them. Or they can't play a game for 5 minutes and already send a support ticket.
Like last time I had a billing issue, they replied and solved it within 24 hours. (was 25 hours to be exact, but I count that as the next day).
But yeah, for bans they just don't care I think, mosly because it's people that just did bad things like scamming etc. They aren't the ones that are going to miss the winter sale, so they probably don't even given the smallest fuck.
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OP decides to beat a dead horse that typically results in flame wars, receives a ban, circumvents the ban to complain and gets an additional ban.
I'm amazed you had a conversation with a moderator who you claim admitted that it was overkill among other things, yet you never took a screenshot to back up your statements.
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You suppose so? Because having owned several CS servers since 1.6, I've noticed that tick rate doesn't do all that much, other than cause stress on the servers which by the way are mostly virtual on a physical box, rendering their resources shared. Sure, having 128 tick may be a good way to compensate for packet loss, but really it's all down to your connection. I remember testing on a high tick server and finding that my bullets would still go through people's heads if my connection was being bottlenecked or used up in the background by an open browser (usually while listening to something on youtube, or just downloading massive amounts of music) or torrenting whatever I wanted to torrent at the time.
Your comparison to my suggestion is the only thing that's not how it works, and you should probably stop while you're ahead.
See there's this thing called Lag Compensation, incorporated into most shooter games, including CS:GO, which by the way is freakin' terrible to begin with. Even if your connection is godly, the people you play with may not be so lucky and so they can get lucky shots on you from 'round corners seemingly because of this. Likewise, because of the compensation, people with a slower connection will find they're shooting at something that isn't exactly there at that exact moment in time; so their bullets just seem to not register.
But it's cute that you think you're smart.
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it's cute that you think you're smart.
I'm always one of the people with the lowest ping, less significantly than on CSS but still good. Not to mention I have netgraph on all the time and never it shows any packet loss. The evidence is there, it's the low tick that causes (at least partially) the bad hitreg.
And 64-tick had better hitreg on CSS.
And the lagcompensation can be changed by settings. I've turned mine down because of my good connection.
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My advise is that you contact an online gaming magazine with your story (and screenshots, e-mails, and other proof to support what you said) in the hope that they will publish a story about it. (In the past, Rock, Paper, Shotgun has published stories of gamers who've been screwed over by Valve.) If something like this was published on a popular site, it could cause Steam to re-consider its terrible customer support system as well as the unwarranted power that Steam forum moderators wield. After all, according to a news story that quotes Gabe Newell on the issue of bans, Valve is "constantly re-evaluating its policies".
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+1
Do this OP. This kind of rampant abuse of power needs to be rooted out at the core.
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Do you have the exact thread content?
As much as we would like to give you the benefit of doubt, without any evidence it's hard to ascertain if you were the victim or culprit. The same message can always be put across and be perceived differently.
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Hi
For people who do not know what 128-tick:
I'll spare you the technical explenation. But 64-tick (what CSGO currently has) results in a lot of shots fired by players not hitting their target. The bullets basicly disappear. If you watch the demo from a game for example, you'll often see for example 5 hits to the ennemy, but the game says you've hit him only twice. It's possible to do 2 headshots in a row and not get a kill. With 128-tick way less bullets would get 'lost'. So if you shoot the head, the ennemy will die like he's supposed to.
A video showing 64-tick:
Compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6u26YTpIF0
2 deagle headies and sniper body shot all not registered:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4a0-W7iqwc
So 2 days ago I made ONE thread on the CSGO forum asking for 128-tick. No insults in the thread, nothing offensive.
I've immediately gotten a forumban... How is it against the rules to ask for 128-tick? It's not. My thread might be considered "spam" as others also asked for 128-tick. But is that enough reason for a forumban, just asking for 128-tick? My account is 7y old and I've spend like 2000 hours on CSS and CSGO together, and I'm not allowed to even make a single thread asking for 128-tick? Most likely it was an emotional ban from the forummod because srsly...if that's banable... Probably I was just the victim of the mods rage against people asking for 128-tick (I know more people ask for it).
After I logged in to my other account to complain about the forumban as it's obviously an undeserved forumban. Then that account got forumbanned too, for longer. And then the forummod added me to message me that he'd be taking action against me, basicly threaten me. He later kind of admitted that the forumban was kind of an overkill. He was suprised that I wasn't happy to get banned for making ONE thread without any offensive nor rulebreaking content. So he reported my profile (his words, dunno exact what he did).
So the next day I log in and...one month community ban... All I did was making ONE thread asking for 128-tick. Like seriously?
Later this forummod told me that the ban isn't because of the dispute I've had with him but must be because of something else they've found. Yeah right, I've been thinking about everything, I didn't break any rules. Even at steamtrades I don't accept paypal (unlike many others) just to prevent a suspension or anything else because it's against the rules to resell games.
The rule I'd have broken also isn't mentioned in the ban message. I think I just became a victim of mod rage. And this while I have a 7y old account, spent €300 the last few months etc... And this ban has come at the most important part of the year: Steam winter sale.
I've always been a fan of Steam and also of the support (while many people dislike the support). Atm I'm furious about this community ban. All because I asked for 128-tick... Can you believe it?
I went from an ambassador of Steam to a hater... It's not too late for me to become happy again about Steam; but that would require an unban. But we've all heard the storries of people who had similar problems: steam support doesn't reply to their questions, and certainly not fast. So it's very unlikely I'll have my community "privileges" (as they call it) back when the winter sale starts tomorrow.
I just wanted to share my experience. Have any of you guys had something similar happen to you? Any advice?
I'm very frustrated and angry atm. Because one month community ban is too rediculous for words for making a 128-tick thread. And there's nothing I can do, there's nobody I can contact for it... Yes I've contacted Steam support but based on the storries people tell about these kind of things, the chances are very slim something constructive will come from it. When I had a billing issue I had received a reply after 24h. For this, will I even get a reply? And Won't it just be "sorry we can't do anything about it".
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