Do you think betting in csgo is a problem?
Please take a look at this link and check video
http://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgolotto-csgo-gambling-tmartn-prosyndicate
What do you say about this.
I, honestly never took skins for serious since I'm poor and think that it's stupid to pay for something that will not improve gameplay unless you do it to profit.
Back when I was a teenager it was cool to bet in real life but when I realized that I'm losing my lunch money, obviously I quit. Today with csgo skins anyone can bet, and I think that's the problem (if you even ignore the fact that some of betting sites are rigged) because gambling is addicting and can cause serious problems to person addicted to it (or their parents credit card :D).
Valve should step in and do something to regulate this stuff but obviously that they would lose a lot of money doing that. If only they would invest time to improve csgo which is IMO in problems because of cheaters primarily and there is Blizzards Overwatch.
I love CSGO but I don't play it anymore (because I have real life stuff to do and don't have time to practice anymore) and it kinda feels sad to see streamers on twitch quitting csgo and switching to overwatch because of cheaters destroying matches in csgo (prime mm did nothing).
PS
Sorry for no giveaway, I bet my games away Kappa
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skins do impact players performances and gameplay. because it has no "stats" such as bullets damages or reload time does not mean that it does nothing
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I don't get it (pardon me for not noticing it if it's something obvious :P)
If they don't add any stats, then what do they do? I know stat trak skins, well, track your kill stats, but other than this, what else do they do?
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Arguably you would be an easier target if you're running around with a bright pink gun. Other than that though...
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it impacts the players psychological state. if you play soccer/football and some dude is wearing shiny pink dancing clothes all the players, this one included, won't be in the same mental state as if he was dressed like all others, therefore everyone's performance changes individually, and the game won't be played the same way and the final score outcome may differ
that's some basic example though. every alterated visual will change how a player performs. put a stat trak weapon in the hands of an otherwise good player and he might become very bad because distracted by its feature, just like make an other one play better than he would without it because he then would get motivated or something
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I like that you bring this point to the discussion. I remember how in an old MMORPG the sole view of a character with a "king's tunic" (which was only a visual cloth that didn't modify stats) made you think "ohh here comes a pro player!" and I tensed up because I thought I was dealing with someone experienced and skillful.
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Yeah i remember the shitfest reddit became when 1 Courier got sold for ~38k$ >.<
Check here :D http://imaginarymarkets.com/2014-top-10-incredibly-valuable-game-loot-rankings/
Also about the courier i mentioned http://imaginarymarkets.com/breaking-news-ethereal-flames-wardog-sold-for-38000-by-paada/
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Esports is kinda new thing and I believe that, as years go by, it will get regulated so that minors can't access gambling that easy.
About buying skins, I would love to own a great knife but I can't even afford a PC that can run CSGO at stable 60 fps. Hell I don't even make money and it would be brutal to ask my parents to give me money for skins while they work their asses off to pay for my education and apartment. I'd get my lazy ass slapped :D
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Get a job for holidays :)
You will enjoy the extra money. I'm a student myself, but I work for 450€ / month every now and then and pay rent and so on by myself.
If you buy cheap IG bundles during happy hour (group buys) and grab all the free games with cards, you can make a steam wallet. Idle them for the cards and then sell them for a small profit. Made slightly more than 100€ this way and bought some cheap csgo stuff. Then sell it for a profit and repeat :D
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You are a student that earns half of my mothers monthly paycheck, and she's been working for almost 40 years. I'm from eastern Europe that's for years in deep crisis and it's hard to find a job over here.
I'm very busy this Summer with internship (I will not get payed there) and exams which will leave me with only free weekends.
Thank you for leaving this tip for me and I will definitely check it out someday. Currently I'm "investing" money into twitch ($3 per month) for giveaways and skins that I win, I sell on steam market and collect money for sales. :)
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Sorry, I absolutely didnt want to offend you in any way :/
I know that germany is pretty good considering the average wage. But it looks like you are getting a good education, so best of luck when it comes to finding a job! :)
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I'm not offended in any way, sorry if I sounded offended. I just wanted to point out that things are slightly different here.
Thank you for spreading good vibes. I wish you best too :)
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Gambling shouldn't be easily accessible, like how online casinos are regulated, gambling in games should be the same (as long as the in-game items translate to actual real life money)
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VALVE is defending themselves as they don't sell their skins for real money (technically they don't, but they do xD)
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Its the dumbest thing ever .
Its Gambling , yet its not considered gambling in most countries .
Ppl can easily get hooked up on it after 1-2 Big wins ( depending on person big can be even 5$) and then continue to bet untill they lose everything .
In some worse cases then proceed to acquire skins in other legal or illegal ways or even just flat out beg for them .
Its not an issue Only in CS GO , it was a topic of discussion in dota aswel , but its not such a big deal there i guess since it doesnt get promoted all that much .
While in CS-Go almost all popular streamers go and bet Live on stream ( which is technically illegal in a dozen countries ) and flat out promote gambling sites via referal links and such .
And here is where the issue comes from , the whole referal thing is just to hook up more simple minded ppl into the sytem , who just bet away their stuff in hopes to get a 500$ worth of pixels knife .
Like i can post a wall of text on the matter , but TLDR .
Its just stupid , and ppl should stop doing it . There is a reason why underage ppl arent allowed to go and Gamble ... and thats what the betting is ... Gambling :)
Im completely against it , but as long as there are stupid ppl who fall for it , it will continue to exist and prosper , on the backs of them ...
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I once had few csgo cases and nothing to do with them. I put a single case in a pot and won about $5 with ridiculously low chance to win. Of course I continued putting skins and in 30 minutes lost everything l won. It was a stupid thing to do but it just keeps you going.
People on twitch win knives on giveaways and come back other day whining how they lost them by playing casino with csgo skins. It's insane.
Now I'm ranting against gambling lol but I don't have nothing against it, it's just killing me that minors can gamble and keep coming back after they lose way more then they win. Most of them use their parents credit cards.
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Thats my main issue with it .
10-14y old Kids go and gamble Hundreds of dollars worth of Pixels away on Twitch ... with no supervision or anything .
Like as you mentioned some ppl even just use their parrents credit cards , and getting refunds on the stuff your stupid kid spent 500$ on may sometimes be tricky ... if not imposible
Also the whole twitch knife giveaway thing ... i recall seeing on reddit how some kind won some Super expensive giveaway ... some awp worth like 1000$ or someshit .
he Instnatly , like 30 seconds later went and bet it on some site and lost it with 99.5% chance to win and started begging for more free stuff so he can win it back .
Like half CSGO Streams i seen ware just ppl watching someone either win 10k on pixels and lose it within 30Min , or just lose few K by default and proceed to rage and flat out beg for donations from viewers ....
So yeah its kinda cancerous to say the least , and there should be some regulations cus that kinda shit cannot continue the way it is going right now .
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You just explained majority of counter strike twitch streams in 3 sentences :)
Tomorrow is 1st day ESL Cologne, betting sites are rubbing their palms, if that's the right word :D
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Betting in csgo is not a problem but betting as an addiction is.
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That's true but I never considered opening cases as betting and if you watched that video I posted, it shows opening cases the same as playing on slot machine which in really actually might be the same. On the other side, I never got hooked on it. Opened a single case in 1500 hours of playing csgo...ofc I got a $0.16 skin :D
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Things like this are just another step towards the removel of the trading system. Call me pessimistic, but I think it's just a matter of time. Could be months, could be years, who knows... but in the end, that's what going to happen.
Btw, unboxing is pretty much a form of gambling as well (like they said in the video). If this issue goes big, Valve could be getting into some troubles.
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He's talking about VALVe getting into problems with some law enforcement bodies if they realize that this whole trading system is pretty close to having minors play freely in a casino.
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I was talking about the trade system, not the Steam Market. In the past few years, it caused them nothing but trouble (cross-region game trading, mass hijacks, and now 3rd party underage gambling). They considered shutting it down before (source), and even though they decided not to, they can change their minds any given time.
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...but that's the point. Why would they want to support these 3rd party sites? They absolutely make no money out of them, yet they're the ones getting sued when something goes wrong.
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That's a minor loss they most likely are willing to take. Valve lost some serious money due to the various trade/market restrictions they've introduced lately, and it wasn't enough to stop them.
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I think that valve should be ok with keeping case opening but they should try to block gambling sites from trading until some kind of regulatory body is formed to put some standards into betting sites because Valve is technically selling "coins" for gambling sites. Last thing you want as a gambler is that a system which was made for its owners to make profit is made to scam you.
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I personally don't think betting is a problem, but what they say in that video, is a huge problem. Underaged people should not be allowed to gamble and definitly not be encouraged to. And that those youtubers didn't disclose it is a real shitty thing for them to do and I seriously hope they get in trouble for doing so.
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no it's not , if people are 18+ and the site is fair i see no problem
i do have a problem with scammers and underrage gambling
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The whole idea is that the ppl are underage , and we are talking about some Shady sites here ...
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Why give a fuck if minors bet for pixels in a screen.
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Because people under 18 that don't own a creditcard but had pocketmoney from their parents simply run to GameStop to buy Steam Wallet to buy pixels, for... Gambling :)
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And they'll quickly learn how risky gambling is. A gambling adult can lose their income or even become indebted. What's a gambling brat going to lose? Their fucking lunch money? Better that they learn this lesson early, in my opinion.
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Cause gambling is illegal to minors in most countries on the planet :)
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Oh shit, you just tilted me and then you got pointed out as a troll.
Damn, now I need to release my VALVE in some other way. :D
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I feel like betting on roulette is completely stupid , meanwhile betting on csgo matches is less stupid but still risky..... but you can do your own calculations to it and it's way safer than the legit gambling that is csgoroulette etc.
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Betting on high profile csgo matches may actually earn you some skins but problem is that most of the time bets are already locked before you know the maps teams are playing on and outcome of the match is highly dependent on maps chosen, especially on "best of 1" format. Even that will not stop stupid kids to put very expensive skins on "low profit, low risk" matches. Then the upset strikes and RIP SKINS :D
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If you don't use your brain you lose money.... how bad !
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for sure it is a problem, these betting sites have no age restrictions and if they do its set real low and kids can lose a lot of money at such a young age their families might go into debt because of their kids mistakes or understanding of finances.
if these sites were 21 years or older i would not have a problem but for kids so young its a problem for them and needs to be monitored and regulated
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What's the difference between letting your kid spend $300 on skins and letting him bet $300 worth of skins?
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Problem is that they are minors and are naive, can't take responsibility. Just like alcohol and tobacco. If you start as a kid, you will most likely get hooked up. Grown-ass man is legally responsible one.
It's insane that sites can allow minors to gamble, put that as a rule in their terms of service (12 years and older lol) and that no one is reacting to it. Why do I think it's insane? Because I thought that kind of stuff is illegal. Obviously it's not...
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Of course they are naive, but it's not valve's job to educate them. What I was trying to point out is that their parents should watch what are they doing on the net, not anyone else.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support gambling sites, but I just don't see valve's fault here.
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I agree with you, and I don't blame Valve but they are involved in this and someone already filed a lawsuit against them because of this (which implies that they can be held responsible for this ).
And yeah, I don't get it how some parents don't react to a $500 bill on their credit card for a transaction their kid made, it's obviously not a video game.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/23/12020154/counter-strike-csgo-illegal-gambling-lawsuit-weapon-skins-valve
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"McLeod says he purchased skins from Valve, gambled them — both as a minor and later as an adult — and lost money. The suit is seeking class action status."
Frustration at its best.
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People acting like idiots and trying to blame everyone but themselves, it's like that in every aspect of life and it will always be that way.
But yeah it says he started as a minor and kept on going. Damn addiction.
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valve is the middle person in this, where a child buys a game, gets items, and then gambles those items on 3rd party sites for real money but children don't talk to their parents about what they do online and there is no barrier preventing children off these sites
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Well I guess it's a warning to us, future parents, to keep in track what our kids are doing on the internet :)
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