More Superhero Talk Cap v Iron Man or well Civil War

DC has the same problem more or less these days. People like crossover events. Though they don't do it nearly as often at least I don't think they do. I didn't even really understand the last two major story arcs in Marvel. I'm not a hundred percent sure what I'm reading in Marvel Now either. Like Hulk, or the new female thor. But at the same time I am enjoying some of the other comics as well.

There's a difference between asking a maligned group to register, and face it people loathe mutants, which is problematic given the hate groups that Mutants are forced to deal with on a day to day basis. How many times has the government wanted to create a sentinel program or some religious group gone after the mutants in general. Having a list of every single mutant will lead to lynchings. For a mutant being a mutant is the same thing as the color of your skin. They really are just born that way. And the vast majority of mutants do not have some awesome power. Despite what the X-men will lead you to believe, the people like Jean Grey and Cyclops and Rogue are really just about 1-5% of the mutant population. They aren't super powerful, and they aren't running around trying to save people. Say what you will about the X-men but being untrained was not one of their problems. You want to register mutant criminals in a sex offenders registry list sort of the thing, or the people who break laws or they are terrorists? Yes go ahead and watch them, but registering all mutants when the vast majority of them simply can't be weapons of mass destruction because they're powers are absolutely harmless then that's a problem. They will be lynched, which also reinforces Magneto's talking points. Registering mutants disastrous idea.

Superheroes such as Spider Man and Jessica Jones, Dare Devil, Luke Cage are street level heroes and for the most part vigilantes. Let's not even begin to deal with what having a Frank Castle or a Hulk running around does to the general scenery. So yes. I think if you want to call yourself a superhero you need to register, you need to have a license and be trained how to effectively disarm a threat without collateral damage. Say what you want about the DCEU at the very least they got that part right. When Superheroes brawl in the streets people and buildings get destroyed in the process, and if we insist that police get training, if we insist that people in the military get training to protect us or to go fight in wars or what have you asking a weapon of mass destruction who wants to protect people to do the same. The x-men and any other mutant group would have to register but I'm not for a blanket all mutants must register. I'm for superheroes having to register, if you put on a costume and want to be a vigilante of sorts then you need to be held accountable. If you're just some schmuck with super powers and you want to mind your own business maybe save a cat from a tree or rush into a burning building to rescue that basket of puppies then it's different then having a superhero brawl in downtown Manhattan.

Right. And I don't think Cap woulda had problems with that outlook- he's been extremely hard on [eg, the Young Avengers, the Runaways, etc] about needing proper training and so forth. He's certainly not a fan of letting people run out into that world carelessly or recklessly- he cares far too much about who could get hurt, on both sides of the matter. I think he'd have loved the idea of a required training program for superheroes. :P

But clearly, the registration act ended up going well past 'enforcing rules on vigilantes and on high-power super-beings' (nevermind only minimally touching on the 'training to use powers appropriately' bit) and straight into brutal violation of civil liberties.

The thing to remember is, superheroes are already acting as vigilantes, and further legal restrictions can already be placed on them just through expanding anti-vigilante laws.

If the legislation had based solely of vigilantism and high-power threats, and approached it more civilly [I mean, they told Deadpool that if he joined them he could be a bounty hunter and shoot anyone he wanted that didn't join. That gives you an impression of how "awkward" their approach was.] then it likely would have gone through a lot smoother than their "Okay, super-beings are now being registered and processed and will be forcibly managed to that effect, and treated without regard to their expected legal rights."

Nevermind that you don't need to have your secret identity revealed to undergo a mandatory training program, so that association was nonsensical :P

I don't think too many people'd argue that superheroes oughtn't be held accountable to if they want to be treated as anything but vigilantes, and there's a certain expectation of a government taking certain measures to protect its citizens,
At that point, you can argue safety of family and all that as much as you want [and certainly, in a sense even registered superheroes ought be treated like undercover detectives in that regard], but there's at least strong foundational basis for the actions.

But basically establishing the Mutant Registration Act 2.0 (complete with sticking all actual mutants in a relocation camp!) was just... repeating past mistakes, to put it graciously.

Whether Tony was on the 'right' side or not, his arrogance, carelessness, and eagerness to approach the matter forcefully definitely made a complete mess of any merits his side may have had.