I've already given ample opinion on leeching, though this isn't a topic I've covered in particular. I would voice my opinions on it, but seeing as they always seem to be wildly unpopular and you have already made it a case to refuse to engage in a serious discussion when seriously challenged, it seems rather futile to try. Instead, I'll pose the same argument which composed the core of your argument from before. Let's see how well you can argue against yourself:
Why should it matter to you? It's their money and they could do whatever they want with it. They can include or exclude whomever they please because in the end, they're still giving away a game, no matter the size of the pool of possible recipients. It's their right to do that and there are no rules against it. It doesn't matter if YOU think it's exploitation, since that's your own subjectivity and personal opinion about what constitutes exploitation talking. No rules are being broken and nobody is getting hurt. What matters is that they stay within the rules. So long as they do, why should it matter what they do with their giveaways and to whom it is offered?
Feel free to respond whenever, if you're up for the challenge. You have no obligation to do so, of course, though it would seem awfully odd that you dismiss your own arguments applied to a similar matter simply because they came from another.
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Here's your opinion on groups or rather your reply to what I've said about it in the thread and what you are referring to is my response to you saying blacklisting isn't right and I'd be obliged to let everyone enter, unless they're mass murderers, than it's okay to blacklist them.
I think you just do this for the sake of disagreeing with people, so there is no "serious challenge". Thanks for trying tho.
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I could expound on my opinions and develop a more cogent argument. Yes, I have declared my preliminary thoughts on it, but I haven't really developed those thoughts into a coherent whole. If you would like for me to, I can, but seeing as you refuse to even engage in a civil discussion, I'm inclined to believe that anything which does not conform to your cognitive paradigm is automatically disregarded as a metanoious threat. That's disappointing, too, since I suspect you are fully able to actually argue like a rational adult. I've been told that you can and I see through your writing that you can, despite being just the opposite. Why you choose instead to shun this attitude when your thinking is challenged is beyond me.
No, I'm not doing this just to be captious or contrarian. I'm raising legitimate objections which so happened to be the ones you've employed before during a similar scenario. You can evade those objections if you want, but doing so only weakens the integrity of your position both here and before. So again, unless you have a valid response addressing my points, you might as well not reply. Your antipathy towards me is already palpable enough, and you aren't keeping in the top three, so this exchange is doomed from the start unless you actually rebut or refute.
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There's quite a few points of discussion on here already, I only skimmed through most, so excuse me if my comments have already been made previously...
...I don't have issues with groups and how they choose to distribute GAs based on being a member on Steam.
What I stumbled upon recently is how these group admins are abusing their "power" to claim certain advantages. For e.g. a group with 1000s of members has more pulling weight, so often these guys request keys from game publishers and developers based on how big a group they have. Then, these guys get a key or two, use them for themselves, and then give a few away as a Group GA. Although this is beneficial to the group on some level, often I see a level of bullying these respective publishers and developers with bad reviews, etc. as an entire group if somehow they don't play ball. So ultimately, these guys getting free keys based solely on the numbers.
I wanted to post a separate discussion raising the same premise on whether Groups are good or bad on SG. If I now belong to 100 different groups, I potentially have more chances of winning keys, but then the potential for bullying on those groups continue to grow, the more people like me join. But the allure of a free key is often so great it doesn't matter what/how the admin run their Groups.
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Is this a majority of groups? The OTG or what they were called are the only ones I know doing so. Most groups on SG are smaller ones at least the private ones.
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".. how is it alright for them to decrease the chances of people that only enter public giveaways? I think this is almost exploiting the website."
and
"I will probably only make whitelist and invite giveaways in the future, because of this. "
are directly contradictory.
hypocrisy imminent
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I know, but when I joined this site I was naive enough to think this community would be genuinely good-minded, but I am tired that leechers always win my giveaways. That's why I'd rather choose the "audience" myself in the future, because if I could only create public GAs I would probably stop using this website instead.
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I was thinking "that why he blacklisted me, cuz I'm only doing whitelisted giveaways now" isn't that exact thing you'll become? (or maybe it was another reason why you blacklisted me :D.
But either way, it is simple statistics, some people have less games and usually enter every game even if they don't like it - basically these are so called "leechers" by majority. And then there are people that have more games and usually many spare keys from bundles and/or money to buy many games, they can't usually be leechers even if they would want to be. Because their huge library forbids them to enter 98% of giveaways here. There are exceptions of course.
That's why "leechers" always win those "98%" giveaways. And I share your thought, I created whitelist myself for very similar reasons. Although I'm still gonna make few public giveaways in future.
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I actually added you on Steam to talk to you about that, because I can't remember the reason I blacklisted you and this something that bothers me, because I blacklisted a lot of people when I started out on SG and I could easily unblacklist a lot of them because they either turned their ratio around or simply because a level 1 leecher can't access my giveaways anyway.
Either way I don't have anything against whitelist GAs, so you're unblacklisted.
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I'm fine with groups existing. I join ones that are open to the public. I have no real interest in more exclusive ones, as all I can give away are a few cheap bundle keys now and again. But I contribute what I can.
I don't really find groups so bad here. There's a massive number of public, non-group giveaways here. On the other hand, Steam Companion should really change their name to "join my crappy Steam Group".
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This might be a bit controversial because some people already disagreed with me, but I want to know what you guys think
[This part distracts people from what I am actually wanting to discuss, so it's removed.]
Groups in general are okay, but I think it is a pretty bold move to only give away games within this exclusive little group and proceed to enter public giveaways as well. When groups are about increasing chances, how is it alright for them to decrease the chances of people that only enter public giveaways? I think this is almost exploiting the website.
Made it bigger to emphasize what this thread is about. :P
I will probably only make whitelist and invite giveaways in the future, because of this.
What's your opinion on this?
I believe that this has been discussed before but I rather start a new thread than necroing an old one.
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