I don't think lowering the points would be a good idea. 100-150 points would only allow you to enter 2-3 big giveaways that you might not have a chance of winning, and leave you with no points. 200 is better, but around times like Christmas and similar sales, there's a large influx of giveaways. That means that stored points get used pretty fast, normally on games the people actually want.
I think 300 works as a good limit anyways. It's not like you can enter for a giveaway of a game you own.
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"but around times like Christmas and similar sales, there's a large influx of giveaways. That means that stored points get used pretty fast, normally on games the people actually want."
I disagree. During the last Christmas Holiday sale, I found I had too many points because so many giveaways were being created. At one point I spent all 300 points then about an hour and a half later I come back on SteamGifts to find I had already accumulated another 300 points. I actually found it difficult to spend points as they were coming in so quickly.
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Lowering max points only penalizes those who can't be around very much. There's no reason to.
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That one made me laugh: so lets the limit is unlimited so everyone can enter every giveaway and winners will be super happy because they'll win with supergreat luck - but more probably games they are not interested in (if they ever win something). I think you absolutely don't understand what lowering the number of entries mean...
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HERPADERP
I didn't mean that they should increase the entries available, but rather that they should maintain status quo. You'd know that if you'd read my other posts in this topic. Unlimited entries would clearly be insane, as people wouldn't even have to pick games they'd like or choose which games they'd most want of the ones they like.
Again, if you don't like things here, you're absolutely free to make your own site, where I can come and complain about your hard work and dedication to making sure everyone gets the best experience possible as a collective.
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Obviously, I signed up after the site went public, and I've only held one giveaway (and I'm hoping to hold more, once I get my college tuition refund), but I feel like the site needs a way to balance "points earned vs. contribution". I don't know how it would work, but I'd say most people that enter giveaways haven't held any of their own.
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As someone who signed up before the site went public, but didn't enter giveaways until after, this is generally been spoken of as "the wrong way of looking at it." Any time I've seen the "management" of the site talk about rewarding gifters, they've said they don't want to because it isn't in the spirit of SG.
My personal opinion is that many of the entrees into the giveaways aren't in the spirit of SG. The Reddit threads that lead to the creation of this site always focused on wanting to gift games to people who will enjoy it, cherish it even. Now, on these forums, people are baffled that they can't trade away their winnings. And no one has a problem with someone winning a game and never even installing it.
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Some people just like to give away something. Maybe they are generous, maybe they have too many copies and are thinking BAH SCREW IT or you just want to make someone's day. If I set a giveaway and no one installs it I'm perfectly ok with that. After all, if you win the lottery is it fair if they tell you it's only ok to spend your winnings on whatever they say?
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As one of these "leeches" that you seem to detest so much, I can tell you that if I wanted to buy stuff and exchange it for other stuff, I would just do it through a direct trade via SteamTrades or the Steam Forums.
Also, as said by TheEgo, this goes against the spirit of gifting that this site is intended for. Again, this is a gifting site, not a gift exchange site. I see this as a chance for people to try to get games they can't afford themselves and for people who can afford extra to give a blessing to some of the less fortunate. Everybody wins.
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I admit too, that I signed up after it went public. And that I'm only here for free games... especially since I'm broke, unemployed, and can't afford to get the games that I want. I personally think the point regain is a little slow... but I'm also locked into a few that will be going for a long time. Now, I haven't won anything yet... and it will be some time before I can even begin to think about starting giveaways, but the points balance and everything else seems rather fair right now. To be quite honest, I've had more fun out of trying for the "Puzzle" giveaways (few of which I've fully solved), than I probably would have out of the games. The only thing I'd wish for is a special forum section for the puzzle giveaways so that I could find them easier. :D
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lowering the cap does nothing but makes everyone check the site more often. which probably results in the site getting slower
what they need to do is to lower the number of points given. so people would have to choose what giveaways to enter instead of just entering every single game they don't own. overall there would be less entries across the board and higher chances of winners actually playing their games. but that will never happen
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Right now it's 300
If I had to decrease, I would say 250 at maximum.
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At the moment, lowering the max points would penalize only those that are not on the site everyday. In effect what you want is to decrease the number of entries overall which would actually require the number of points overall to be lowered. Lowering the max points held would do nothing to combat the number of entries since the rate of point gain remains the same and most people like myself seldom reach the max threshold anyway. I personally suggest that the point gain is lowered to .5% (from 5%) and to offset the dramatic decline to perhaps include private/group giveaway as well to the point totals, though I would think that private/group giveaways account for a far greater number then public giveaways making my suggestion moot.
tl;dr. Your point is moot, you want to lower the point gain not maximum threshold.
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no he's not insane. he is obviously mentally retarded.
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Nice rebuttal. Please present your argument that would allow everyone to enter giveaways while also increasing everyone's individual chances of winning a single game (lowering the number of entries per game) Ill wait.
I presented an alternative, lowing the point gain to 1/10th its current value but increasing the total base may either offset it mostly or completely figuring in that private/group giveaways current add 0 points to users. In any case the only solution is to either 1. Allow limited entries (already discussed), 2.) Move back to invite only (HAHA not gunna happen), or 3.) Lower the number of points each person "earns" per day, and 4.) Force everyone to give a game away once a month (not in the spirit of the site AT ALL).
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.5%? So... basically every game is worth 1 point given to people. Uh-huh... no.
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Even if you will cry much louder it won't mean the system cannot be better. I am also thinking lower points and especially much lower point addition would be better for everyone because everyone would have better chance to win something because there will be much less of entries to every giveaway. But you can cry WHAAAAAA! SOMEONE WANTS TO WIN SOMETHING, THAT'S HORRIBLE! all day instead if you prefer.
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took me 384 entries to win and I won on a gift with only 79 entries, was awesome
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Instead just limit the number of entries of users each day, like limiting between 3 or 10 would be interesting. Sometimes, as a student, we may have very though weeks, and we forget to visit here or even forget many things to do. So we don't want to loose points :) Point limit should be unlimited, but the number of entries not :)
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I feel that this thread really needs to be closed or axed sometime soon, as the only thing I see it being good for is causing argument over personal beliefs of what the site should be like. I see the requests to lower point maximum and point production as thinly veiled whines that they haven't won yet/enough. People will always complain about wanting more, as that is the way a materialistic society operates. There are many less fortunate than you, so be thankful. If you can't understand this, then tough luck
Besides, if you really don't like the way things are being run, you're perfectly free to make your own site with your own rules and have people complain about your hard work.
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Agreed. It only takes about three to five business days of inactivity to hit 300 points, so the cap's good where it is; lowering point regen just cripples people's ability to enter contests in the first place, and half the giveaways on the site only last for an hour or two, so there's no point in that either.
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That is interesting: Because you think everything is perfect then every thread with ideas other than yours should be closed? Really great approach. It was done before because admins thought it is a good idea, now you think it is not a good idea so you recommend to close this thread. I think you should make your own site in the first place.
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Seriously, man? You just don't get it!
Firstly, I recommended that the thread be closed because I knew I'd get into petty arguments with nitpickers like you who would consistently read a post, then ignore everything you find reasonable just to pick out a straw man to play with. This type of response to discussion annoys me to no end.
Next, the reason why I insist status quo is fine as it is... I've seen several times in the S. Gifts chat where these exact issues have been discussed and every time most of the members members and the admins pretty much agree that this is currently the best system available. If what you suggest was clearly better, wouldn't they have already changed it?
Finally, I believe that, no matter how good something is, somebody will find a way to complain about it. You can't satisfy everyone, so you just have to settle for pleasing the most people possible... and I only see a couple people here and there truly complaining.
And cut it out with the personal attacks. They make the user look like a fool, if anything. Thanks for sarcastically using my friendly recommendation to make another site to try to spite me as well. Seems like it worked. Congrats.
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As steamgifts.com has gone completely public, the number of members and consequently the number of entries on each giveaway has gone up greatly. To combat this, I believe the amount of points that a member can have from 300 to 200, 150 or even 100. This would mean less entries and leveling of the number of entries on the cheaper games versus the number of entries on the more expensive games.
Just a thought. Discuss.
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