I have a quick hardware question. I know at least some people out there like to have opinions about this kind of thing, so I thought I'd ask. And maybe a few more people will be able to have fun mocking my shitty computer.

A while back my beloved Radeon 7750 blew up and due to being poor at the time I've been making do a with a temporary replacement graphics card that I got pre-owned for £25 (which has been about as shit as you might imagine). As I got a new job recently I decided to treat myself to a new graphics card for Christmas - as well as more RAM, etc so I can play Skyrim special edition. It turned up today but appears to need a 6-pin power cable which my PSU doesn't have.

I was just going to buy a molex to 6-pin PCI-E adaptor on eBay for a few £, but then decided I'd best buy the bullet and buy and decent PSU instead (I bought said PSU for £15 after I needed a replacement on short notice while I was again broke and I'm probably lucky it hasn't burned my house down yet).

So the question is what size PSU do I need? A few online calculators that I tried suggested around 350W to 375W but that seems a really low to me. Or maybe I'm just used to cheap PSUs that don't actually deliver their advertised power...

System is;
Gigabyte 970A-DS3 motherboard
AMD FX 4100 3.8 GHz 4-core CPU
2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM
Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti graphics card
PCI digital TV tuner card
Terratec DMX 6fire PCI sound card and audio interface
2 x 7200 rpm SATA HD
A couple of 120mm cooling fans
SATA DVD RW
Standard PS/2 mouse and keyboard
USB devices including 2 x gamepads, graphics tablet, MIDI control surface

I'm currently looking at some Corsair PSUs that I can get next day delivery from Amazon on my 30-day Prime free trial. They are within my price range, have all the connectors I need, have excellent reviews and I have a choice of 450/550/650 W. But feel free to suggest reasonably priced alternatives.

No giveaway at this time, I'll try and do something nice for Christmas once I work out how much money I have left.

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Budget?

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I was hoping around £40-50.

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I'd recommend you to spend a little more and get this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seasonic-Certified-Modular-Power-Supply/dp/B00918MQ8G/

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It's a bit more than I was planning on spending, but based on the reviews I'm certainly considering it. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Also, Corsair low tier PSUs are not worth the money. I own a Corsair but it is an RMx. It is more expensive than the Seasonic because they don't have a 450W version: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020090-UK-RM550X-Modular-Supply/dp/B015PWMRI0/

(I have the 650W model and it is the best PSU I've ever owned)

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I'm not the best at this kind of thing which is why I was asking for advice. This is the one I had been looking at which looked OK;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020097-UK-VS550-Power-Supply/dp/B00TE4XSMA/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=VTXG8B56PNTSMK44Y8CW&th=1

Do you think the 450W Seasonic would have enough power?

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I hope pcpartpicker is correct. Plus, these 1000 series cards are supposed to need less power. I would probably try to play it safe and go for 550W. I'm not really sure if 450W is cutting it close or if it would be more than enough, though. I think someone mentioned it's better to have 100W more than what you need, but I'm almost as clueless as you may be.

the 1050 Ti (just chose Gigabyte GV-N105TG1 GAMING-4GD) says it needs 75W (my old 660Ti needed 150W)

somehow the evga 1070 ftw is listed as 215W, though

edit: I just kind of assumed you were close to 450w, though. your pc may be using far less so you might be able to go with a 450w psu or lower.

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70W is what it says this 1050 should need. But the damn thing is huge, it's four times the size of my old 7750 but that apparently used far more power? Also if it is so efficient why does it need it's own power cable? Does it actually need a power cable plugged into it or will it work anyway?

I don't expect you to know, it just makes my head hurt...

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I can tell you that it definitely needs its own power (the 6-pin) but I probably couldn't give a correct answer for why. It won't have any power to operate if it doesn't have the 6-pin plugged into it >_>

It's probably a stability factor partly and then some other factors I have no idea why. Perhaps how monitors and some speakers need their own power cord..

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The answer is: for safety. 75W It is the PCI-E limit: https://www.asus.com/support/faq/104406/

When a card reaches that limit it could damage the motherboard so it has its own power plug to draw it from the PSU directly.

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450W would be around 100 Watts more than his system actually needs, just FYI ;)

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Heh. I thought about this and your comment below about how much the CPU/MoBO uses and for some reason I never bothered to register the fact my CPU uses 95W according to cpu-z (also I think it's been strongly advertised so it's likely right).

I kind of wanted to get a modular PSU, but I installed RAM which meant I had to remove the cpu cooler and replace paste to install because it was blocking. After doing all that and dusting out the system along with some minor cable management since I never bothered to do it before, I don't really want to bother.

I still think a 550W modular PSU would be nice, though..
my case look like this now

edit: I don't remember formatting..

View attached image.
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Yeah, those are the three major components to keep in mind, the rest use a lot less power. I really regretted not getting a modular PSU, specifically in my case where the PSU is kind of crammed now and the excessive cables take up limited space, it might not be such a big problem in your case.

I have the same CPU-cooler as you :D It does take up a lot of space and makes accessing my RAM difficult, yet fortunately not impossible, Noctua bro's! You also have the same brand of GPU and PSU as me :p

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That was the model I had in mind when I wrote that previous reply, don't buy it.

The Seasonic G-450 is 80 Plus Gold certified, it is a high quality PSU, that means it is very efficient and if your computer power consumption is 350-375W peak you have a ~100W margin until max power delivery.

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Thanks then - I appreciate the advice and the word of warning!

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You're welcome. Also, you should know Seasonic is probably the best PSU manufacturer in the world. They manufacture a lot of high end PSUs for several brands like Corsair, EVGA...

Look for AX series: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page447.htm
Look for GS series: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2293.htm

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based on what i have heard/read, a good 350w psu would work fine with your pc. that 1050ti consumes 70w.

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It was a good price on newegg, but shipping and taxes doubled it. Also I wouldn't have been able to play Skyrim until after Christmas :(

Amazon, eBay, and other local sellers seem to all be about the same (less appealing) price. But thanks for the suggestion!

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Well that sucks, wouldn't have thought shipping would be that expensive or take that long. Hopefully you can find something decent in your budget, as orono mentioned above, Seasonic, Corsair and EVGA are good brands. Maybe this will work, I count vouch for it though as I've never used it. However it has a lot of reviews with high rating, so I'd assume it's reliable.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CP-9020047-UK-Builder-Bronze-Supply/dp/B009RMP2VE/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1481846848&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=corsair+cx+500w+80+bronze+certified+semi-modular+atx+power+supply

Edit: Here's a slightly reduced wattage for the evga one at a better cost.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-100-B1-0450-K3-Power-Supply-Unit/dp/B01H3UA7XE/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1481847338&sr=1-1&keywords=evga+450w

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Decent 300W+ would be enough, 400W would be advisable (just in case), 500W if you want to upgrade in the future.

For entry to mid range systems:
https://skinflint.co.uk/seasonic-s12ii-520bronze-520w-atx-2-2-a497459.html
or fancy version (modular):
https://skinflint.co.uk/seasonic-m12ii-520-bronze-evo-edition-520w-atx-2-3-ss-520gm2-a1097136.html
Edit: be quiet straight is rather "cheap" as well, isn't modular, but a nice (and more silent) alternative:
https://skinflint.co.uk/be-quiet-straight-power-10-400w-atx-2-4-e10-400w-bn230-a1165465.html

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Can vouch for a Pure Power 9, not top end but it's solid and beautifully quiet. The 400w should do you, 500w will give you wiggle room for upgrades and that. Scooped up a 500w for £45 during Black Friday, think the 400w was a few quid less and there are modular variations for ~£5 premium.. Daresay you'll be able to do the same come Boxing Day.

And a +1 to those saying avoid Corsair, their lowend stuff really is the drizzling shits.

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be Quiet! PSUs are nice. If you can get that one, I highly recommend them.

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Bequiet PSUs are practically the standard in Germany. Nearly always come out tops in proper PSU reviews.
Whatever you get, make sure you check the warranty i.e duration,i in the case of failure do you need to send it in and pay postage yourself or does the manufacturer have a pick-up and return service? Or do you have to contact the seller?
450-550W is more than enough, more than that is overkill and possibly counter-productive for a given price-point as components may be of lesser quality. The higher the efiiciency rating the better. I would not buy a new PSU under at least a gold rating.
Edit:
Here's some food for thought. Also, check the comments:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/psu/90596-quiet-system-power-8-600w/
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/psu/91436-quiet-pure-power-9-cm-600w/
Reviews are from February and March 2016.
Edit2: Just one more thing about reviews. There are differences between EU and non-EU PSUs. Some were & are actually falsely advertised concerning their efficiency rating when only the US model was actually tested for compliance. The EU model may fail the specifications.

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Your GPU only uses 75W, your CPU 95W, your motherboard around 95/125W, the rest doesn't use that much power so you could just round all of it up to around an additional 50/100W, which is where the 350/375W comes from. You could go for a 450W PSU if you want to upgrade it further in the future. Anything above 450W would just be throwing away money unless you decide to add one (or more) GPU('s) in SLI mode. Uninformed people (no offense intended to anyone) will often overestimate the wattage needed. I would recommend going for a PSU with modular cables, since it looks cleaner and takes up less space in your case.

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I am absolutely uniformed! I have been stuffing things in tower cases and hoping for the best since I got a Voodo Banshess 16 MB 3D Blaster for my 486 - and I have learned very little.

My main worry is that I have an unusual sound card that drives an external audio/MIDI interface that I was worried might be using a bunch of power that the online calculators weren't taking into account. But when you put it like that I doubt it could make much difference. It's appreciated!

I'm not a hardcore gamer and I don't need the highest resolutions or framerates - I'm hoping not to do any more upgrading for some time.

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Haha, that's certainly one way of doing it, some of your components may not be running optimally but it shouldn't make a huge difference, just be careful if you ever change your RAM since you do need to know the specific type your motherboard can use. The sound card adds maybe 10/20W or so, in the big picture it's not that relevant. I learned most of it by assembling my own PC and upgrading. Your optimal PSU would be somewhere around the 350/450W range, you can always get more, it won't make much difference you'll only be paying more for your PSU.

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The new Corsair CX450M is much better than their old budget range, you might want to check the reviews on that too :)

edit: Some suggestions here are quite old models I think. The seasonic s12ii 520 for instance is from 2010...

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