Not sure about you, but I'd remove optical drive and opt for 2x 8 GB ram instead of 2x 4. Also, that MB has 10/100/1000Mbps LAN so why are you getting a separate one? I'm assuming you explained all of those in your previous thread... I do like the PSU, have the same one for years and love it.
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No one had mentioned to me before that it had a LAN, so I hadn't been aware to be honest :/ This is my first computer build and I have people who have built them in the past helping me put it together, but I don't know much about it myself. So thanks for letting me know. And I'll look into the 2 x8 instead.
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Well I googled the motherboard you had in the list and it shows LAN ports on board with support for 10/100/1000Mbps LAN. So you really need not waste money on a separate LAN adapter.
That said, I don't remember when I saw a MB without LAN ports on the back... Like, in the late 1990s?
Also, 16 Gb is a must now for short-term future-proofing. It will allow you to do creative work (photo editing, sound design... but it's already a bare minimum for video editing, for example) and it's also a golden middle for games. 8 is slowly becoming a minimum requirement.
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Shhh I'm just very not intelligent when it comes to computers, I've never built one before. I have people who are going to help me build it, but they haven't checked my build yet, so. But yeah, I removed the LAN adapter, thank you!
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Updated to the 8 x2
And thats good, then. My budget is kind of nonexistant? I don't want to go too high, because I'm a college student, but I also don't want to just have to replace it all in like, a year.
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Questions:
Why do you need the network adaptor? Can you not just plug your cable into the LAN port on your mobo?
Why do you need the hard drive? Can you not bring over the hard drive from your current machine?
Why do you need the optical drive? I have lived without one at home or at work for the last several years. Never miss it.
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You'd be surprised how many people require that you bring them your work on a DVD :/. It's also useful for old games, old family photos, watching a movie... But I understand that some people don't need it
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Why bother with the extra PCIe network adapter, the motherboard support a wired connection out of the box? I could understand getting a wireless adapter...
The main thing I think you should really consider adding is an SSD, even if its just a cheap 120GB one for the OS. They seriously make all the difference in the world these days when it comes to general computer performance.
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I'm very stupid is why :,)
Could I ask what an SSD does? I'm very stupid when it comes to this stuff, as seen before :,)
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SSD is a new type of storage device that replaces HDD. Instead of metalic plates that spin around and electronic "arm" with a "head" that moves around to write/read data, SSD has NAND type memory like an SD card just much much faster. So, Windows 10 boots in like 5 seconds from an SSD, while it takes 25-30 from a 7200rpm HDD with 32 MB buffer.
Negative side is that they are still a bit on the expensive side, so for the price of 1 Tb HDD you can get 240 Gb SSD. Best thing would be to have a SSD for system + core apps and a hard drive for data (music, movies, documents... even most of the video games).
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I'm not sure I'd call SSDs "new", I've been using them since 2011, and remember thinking about picking one up as early as 2007. But yea, compared to mechanical drives they're definitely new :p
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So would you say that they're defiently worth the extra price? And what minimum should I probably go for memory on them?
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Consider that they always need some 20gb of free space for internal functions. When you consider Win10 with couple of apps can reach 50 Gb easily, I'd suggest staying above 120GB line because 64 is simply too little, 240 GB is what I'd suggest for system drive.
You'd use it to install system, couple of apps you use all the time... and everything else would go on a 1 Tb HDD.
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Absolutely. Getting a good SSD to run your OS from is, without a doubt, worth every penny.
Mechanical drives are slow relics, and the only reason they're still used is because they're cheap for how much storage they offer, but they are the #1 bottleneck in most PCs performance these days.
As for which to get, I'd recommend a Samsung EVO 850 with either 250GB or 500GB of storage. I use a 500GB these days, but was using a 120GB up until less then a year ago (performance was fine, but 120GB is a bit too low these days unless you want to micro-manage what you have installed).
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Rise of the Tomb Raider, 8K resolution supersampled from 16K, at 240fps, with max settings.
I mean, what's even the point of building a new PC if you can't do that? ;)
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Amd is awful, wait for the new coffee lake cpus from intel, asrock is awful I always go for asus, newer games need more than 8gb of ram, wait for the 1070 ti, might prove to be the best money per performance card. Add some small like around 120/128gb ssd if you plan on playing open world and online games, makes loading so much faster.
If you are going for budget build ignore what I said above.
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Well, I've heard great about the AMD Ryzen, and I just updated to 16 gb. And I'm not willing to spend as much money as the 1070 ti will be to be honest.
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Ryzen isn't as good for games. Most games only use 2 cores, so despite more cores each one is less powerful than Intel.
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On the contrary, amd is better than intel as well as nvidia most of the time. The problem here is real life performance. Amd always uses more power(that's what lets it perform on par with intel/nvidia) which also produces more heat. The performance boost it delivers is insignificant compared to intel/nvidia when you take into consideration how much more power it sucks out of the grid and the amount of heat it produces. You always have to buy a custom cooler for amd cpus(which means extra watts to your pc build) and I've heard so many people complain how hot their amd gpus run. It's always better to get intel cpu and nvidia gpu in the long run and you will know they won't fail because of overheating, and you won't have to pay huge electricity bills especially if your pc runs 24/7 like mine. Games that use more than 2 cores are not that many so having more than 4 cores is a waste. After choosing a cpu with 4 cores, one needs to look for the best single core performance. Intel always wins over amd there. The upcoming coffee lake cpus will out perform the ryzens.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html - single thread performance in cpus, glorious wall of intels, and according to sources coffee lakes are outperforming the kaby lakes.
There is no such thing as "future proofing". There is always something new coming out each year or the year after(look at intel releasing 2 lines of cpus this year because of the ryzens). The next gen is like 4-5 years away or even less depending on how well xbox one S and ps4 pro will do.
Thanks to the amazing hardware from asus(including a monitor), intel, nvidia and a fractal design psu I barely feel my 24/7 running pc in the 15 euro monthly electricity bill. If I had been using amd it would be more and I would be getting the same performance in games. Not worth it if you ask me. And it can run any game on medium/high settings, enough for a game to look good while having good enough framerates.
So next time you use the pointless "intel fanboy" argument do some research into various hardware and every aspect of how to build a pc. The extra "50 to 100" affects only the highest end of hardware which nobody buys except pc enthusiasts. No such thing as "1% boost for 100 more" , the boost is usually 10-15% which in real life situation as in-game performance is 1-5% (+5 fps more while playing, if you are playing something with 100 fps it will run at 105 fps). Looks pretty insignificant that's why only pc enthusiasts buy those high end stuff.
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ASRock is bad but ASUS is good? wut? You do know that ASRock is an offshoot of ASUS right?
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Yes you are right it is an offshoot...
But honestly I've had so many bad ASRock boards it isn't funny - so many RMA'd because something blows - Yet I've never had a bad ASUS. I don't know if it's a separate sourcing issue for ASRock or if it's just a cheaper option, but they tend to blow caps or controllers.
I build 1-2 PC's a week for clients and now I refuse to use ASRock. I tell the buyer what I'd prefer to use for what they want, or if they really want an ASRock build to go to the guy up the road. A few have and after 6 months they've all come back to me.
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+1, you can see it in the price tag as well, asus seems to use better quality stuff hence the increase in price tag over asrock. Plus I really like how the bios looks on asus boards.
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Alright, thanks for letting me know, I'll look at those!
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Went with the Phantenks Enthroo Pro for right now I think :)
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I added a Samsung 850-EVO with 250g for an SSD on top of my 1 TB harddrive - I honestly don't think I'll need more than that considering how use to my 128 GB computer I currently use.
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Go for a gtx 1060 (6G) if you can, it's way faster, and in my opinion is worth the extra money
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It's $100 more than the one I have picked out now, which I have confirmed will be enough to play what I want it to be able to run :/
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if you have some space in your budget left, you really should think about getting a 1060 over a 1050TI. The 1050TI runs on a 128bit bus, while the 1060 runs at 256bits.
The bus is kinda like the road lanes where the info runs. 128 bits is kinda the lower acceptable bus you should run if you're interested in something more than simple games. There's no point (and people can correct me if I'm wrong here) to have that much amount of ram (6Gb? Damn) if you can't store all that info that quick. A 256bits card, even with less ram (let's say, 4, or even 2Gb) will perform better that 6Gbs on a 128-bit bus because that's more lanes for your card to send info to the ram.
To give you an idea, I own a VERY old card, a GTX 460 1Gb ram, 256 bits. That's a 7 year old card! I have a 3rd gen i3-3220 and 8Gb DDR3 Hyper Fury ram. Right now I'm playing Rise of the Tomb Raider with the settings on High, while my previous card, a GTX 550Ti 1Gb 192bits used to stutter when playing Gauntlet. I sold my 550 when a friend of mine gave me the 460 because it was just sitting in the dust in his locker.
So, from what you just described, you won't be dissapointed with the 1050Ti, but if you're planning to stick with that card for a long time, maybe you should consider getting the 1060 instead.
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OR, like MeisterLeuchte said a answers below, get a 770 or something like that. No need to get a last-gen card if you're not looking for extreme power. I'd get a GTX 580 myself if I could find it in good shape here.
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Looking at the latest Newegg ad, I saw the PSU you selected, and next to it a 550W Corsair, also bronze rated, for $10 less. There's nothing wrong with the SeaSonic choice, but since the newer graphics cards are more efficient, and you're not going to be installing a $700 monster, much less multiple cards to run in parallel, so you should be fine with the Corsair if you want to save $10.
In addition, further down in the ad, there is an ASUS external DVD writer for $11 after mail-in rebate. I went with an external drive for my system, as I wanted a 'clean' front (it has brushed metal panels where the drive bays would be, which look better than a black plastic drive stuck in there). It also lets me use the drive with other computers - the ASUS one is even Mac compatible (though recent USB-C only macbooks would require a USB hub or other adapter).
Going with a USB DVD-RW drive has one other effect: it lets you choose a case that doesn't have a 5.25" external drive bay. The Enthoo Pro has one, but if you remove that requirement it opens up your options and you may find something you like that doesn't have a bay for an optical drive. Phanteks Eclipse case, for example, is over 10lbs lighter (it's a midtower instead of a full) and has a sleek look with external lighting (which you can switch off). The gray / windowed version's on sale for $50 after rebate until midnight - that might be too-short notice at this stage, but I have seen this case on sale several times before, and it's just an example of an alternative.
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Ooh, thank you for letting me know, I'll definetly swap the DVD-RW out, and will look into the PSU~ I really appreciate the help :D
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So, I think I'm going to stick with the Enthoo Pro because it looks like the fans may be a bit better, plus honestly I like the look more xP Though I did like those lights on the Eclipse.
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i don't have the numbers at hand but i seem to recall that you should get at least 2666mhz ram. unless it's really way more expensive than the 2400 but it can't be that much. i guess...
instead of a crappy gtx 1050 you might as well get a used gtx 770 for about half the price but still more gaming power.
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linus about ram speed:
https://youtu.be/D_Yt4vSZKVk?t=4m27s
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Okay, I'm going to bring up something that might get me ethnically cleansed by the more extreme members of the PC Master Race, but: since you're getting up into the $860 range, take a look at a pre-built like the MSI Nightblade MIB:
It's $655 after a rebate and shipping, which leaves you $200 to get build it back up. You'd need to add an SSD and another 8GB of memory, but it already has an optical drive built in. The i5 would probably be a bit slower (I haven't looked too closely), but it's probably not going to make as much difference for gaming as the GPU, which is the same 1050 Ti 4GB. Memory's going to be a bit slower than the Corsair sticks you selected, as it's a single board (the Corsairs would work in parallel). Another drawback is the motherboard is proprietary, so if you ever needed to replace it, you might find a standard board won't fit. It fits only a Mini-ITX graphics card, if you ever want to replace that, and compared to the motherboard you've selected may be limited in other ways (you can upgrade the RAM and install an m.2 drive). On top of that, the PSU is lower-powered, but sufficient for what would fit into this small system. In a lot of ways, many of the components are somewhat less than those you've selected.
So, why am I even mentioning it? It sounds like you're new to system building, and if you want a relatively easy path, this is a working system right out of the box. You're looking at two upgrades: the RAM (easy-peasy) and the SSD (not too bad - just add the disk and migrate Windows over to it). You can even wait to do those, trying the system in its out of the box configuration first without ever opening it up.
Building a system's great fun - heck even asking yourself "am I ready for this" is the same kind of challenge that you get from gaming, so I think it is something you can do and would enjoy. However, I wanted to throw this out as an alternative if you'd rather hit the ground running, and just pull a system out of the box and get gaming. It comes with a keyboard, mouse and Windows 10 preinstalled, and I'd trust MSI with having spec'd out a gaming PC more than I'd trust throwing a 1050 Ti into some generic Acer or HP, and it's covered by a 1 year warranty.
I can't say I'm really recommending this, as I don't want to derail you from having fun building a system or plant any seeds of doubt, but I thought I should mention it as an option in your price range, with capabilities similar to what you have been looking at (though many of your parts will be more premium, for what it's worth - they're all good pieces going into it).
Devil's Advocate Mode: Off
[Edit: This version through Amazon is $145 more than the version at Newegg, but has a faster CPU and GPU:
MSI Nightblade MIB-246US
It upgrades the CPU (i7-7700) and GPU (GTX 1060 3GB). At $800 after rebate, upgrading the RAM with another 8GB module would put you around $875 - close to your price for building one, save that this doesn't have an SSD, which accounts for about $100 in the build.
It may be worth noting this prebuilt includes a 16GB Optane module. Optane is basically a hard drive cache that speeds up access when your PC tries to read from the hard disk, since it may pick that data up from the fast Optane memory first without having to wait on the spinning disk. It's not as fast as an SSD, which keeps much more data in flash memory, but significantly less expensive and can significantly improve speed over a regular hard disk, especially the time it takes to boot. Here's a YouTube video demonstrating an SSD, an unaccelerated hard drive, and one with an Optane module side-by-side. Since it acts like a cache, the biggest speed difference is seen after the information from the disk has already been read into the cache the first time.
I'm still holding back from recommending it over building your own, but I still wanted to highlight that a pre-built is an option if you'd be more comfortable with an already put-together system (aside from the RAM upgrade). It's still not very upgradable, but it's a quiet, compact system that would do an even better job of covering your needs with the upgraded CPU and graphics card. Also, see Banshee807's build for alternate parts that would save you $100+ and upgrade the graphics card to a GTX 1060, which would probably be a better basis for comparison with a pre-built system on the basis of price.]
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Thanks for the idea! I feel okay building one from scratch, if only because my dad and brother both have experience building them and offered to help.
And I have grabbed Banshee's recommendation :)
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I certainly don't want to hijack your thread but as you sound like your still learning about various build nuances here are some ideas,
-Need to know your primary purpose for the PC rig, I assume gaming is a bit part plus all the regular stuff. (I also assume you game at 1080p)
-Secondly are you looking at overclocking or want the opportunity to learn (Overclocking is running the CPU faster than the manufactures specs creating extra heat, sound dangerous but it is actually really easy and safe)
-Also are you dead set on an SSD, they are great as they speed up the windows experience and load times, but for the actual the gaming action portion of games they do very little. Thus if you don't mind a few extra seconds here and there loading you could save the money or add it to a better video card.
-Do you need a full tower case (they are huge) or could a cheaper case do Mid Tower is still plenty big
I put together this quick list, it'll save you over $100 from your build, actually game better (as it has the better 1060 gpu) and still includes an SSD
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/banshee807/saved/dYbhqs
Feel free to tinker, but really consider the SSD, case, and which motherboard you choose as you may pay a lot extra for a bunch of slots you'll never use. (I substituted a micro ATX board that can still overclock, 4 rams slots, LAN, 4 fan headers, and still has 3 pci slots for the GPU and whatever other cards you needs)
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You can install games to an SSD to improve their load times, certainly a 250GB is enough for that as long as he doesn't install a ton of them at once or the really huge ones. I never use my mechanical drive for game installs anymore, And I'm only running 500GB (half of which is normally empty). And since he's coming from a tablet (which all use solid state drives), running the OS on a mechanical drive would definitely feel slow to him, which is certainly not something you want to experience after having just bought a new PC.
Also, Samsung make the best SSDs these days bar none. SK Hynix is a weird off brand with some very so-so performance by comparison, and seems like a really weird recommendation given it wont even save him $15 by going with.
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Yeah, main purpose of the computer will be gaming as I use my laptop for most everything else.
Definetly want to be able to overclock.
I added the SSD based on other recommendations in this thread.
If the mid tower would still fit everything, I'd be completely fine with it :)
thank you so much for doing that for me!
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Either are fine, Hynix is certainly not as big a consumer name as Samsung, but they are a huge memory company. They are major memory makers for GPUs, cell phones, mac books, and commercial application (Hyundai cars for example).
I added it as it is typically cheaper than the 850 Evo and is similar in performance. Within 10% in most tests and faster in some.(Hynix is slower in total read/write, but faster in access times for example)
I agree if they were the same price I'd buy the EVO, but real world you would notice very little difference and if OP saves 15-20$ on a part here and there it could total $40 or $50 to throw at a GPU upgrade or something that is more noticeable. All depends on the OP preference if $15 is worth the very minor difference. (Basically saving a few bucks on each part is how I was able to upgrade to a 1060 from a 1050ti on the original build version)
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I think I'll stick with the EVO for now, but go back to Hynix if I find that I need to save some money to upgrade something else when the time comes.
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Yeah, always becomes a give and take game, as an extreme example I was playing around with various combos. I still like the direction of your current build but with all the variables things can get crazy.
For example (I gave myself an $800 budget for a solely gaming build) this build would max every game there is currently out at 60+fps and 1080p!
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/banshee807/saved/#view=FHK3FT I was able to add a 1070, but it's only within budget if I half the ram (8gb), drop the SSD, and save a few bucks on everything else. Plus I'd have to overclock 1500X to 3.9+ on all cores. For gaming only it would be superior but load times in-between levels and the windows experience (especially with multiple programs running) would be slower as compared to your current build. Always a game of give and take.
Hate to mention it but black Friday is only 8 weeks away depending on your timeline.
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Hopefully Black Friday will be atainable for me to get a lot, but we'll have to see :,) Might grab the case I have now actually, since there's a fair deal on it right now.
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Yeah it's last years model but the original price in 2015 was like $80, $25 seems like a good deal
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Yes a Mid Tower would fit it all and still have room for a reasonably easy build
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Personally I like a big case. It gives you more space to put in everything and can make it look nicer. I know with a smaller case you can save some money and put that extra into the graphic card. But that's just me. Good call on the power supply from Seasonic as they are the best.
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If it's more about appearance, then I think I'd rather save the extra bit of money - plus it'll make moving it easier.
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For comparison;
235 mm x 535 mm x 550 mm Full Tower sample size ($80)
205mm x 520mm x 515mm Mid Tower sample size ($25)
Really only a difference of an inch and a half at most, Full Tower is great for multiple GPU or custom water cooling but for a basic build they almost look too empty (especially with a mATX board)
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So, I had a thread here a month or so back asking about help for a computer build, and I think it's all set now. However, I wanted some feedback from you guys once more. I don't really want to pay more than I'm already at now, but I may be willing to if you guys think that it'll honestly be really worth it.
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