an i7 to play games ... whaddaya think?
Not for gaming. Hyper-threading means nothing in gaming. In some rare cases, it even results in worse performance.
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i'd say for hardcore gaming :P
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#The_case_of_Hyper-threading
example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fggKnvIHzHQ
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You buy the second most expensive desktop i7… and you want to put in in a mobo with H110 chipset? It's like putting a jet engine on a horse carriage.
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Not really if you're going to use jack of its "fancy" capabilities but play games/office with it ...
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then a 6400 would do the same job as good for a lot less
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…and don't care that it gimps the system? It doesn't even have 3.0 PCI-E lanes, only 2.0. H110 is made for budget builds running budget parts, not a 300-Euro beast of a CPU. At least get a H170 one.
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don't need a H170 Chipset, also it has 1x PCIe 3.0 x16, 2x PCIe 2.0
edit: oh shit, you're right :D - thanks i'll reconsider the MOBO for sure,
although it barely affects the GPU capabilities ... PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0
edit2: or does it ?? gotta read up on that and compare ...
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No, it does not. It supports an 1×16 configuration, meaning it can at least run a dedicated GPU. But it doesn't even support a M.2 SSD. And the H110 does not support PCI-E 3.0 by specification.
Edit: It's not exactly just about 2.0 or 3.0. It's about having 3.0 AND not just an 1×16 config. On a H110, if you add anything that uses PCI-E lanes, the bandwidth of the GPU halves. Even if the other thing needs 1 lane, it halves. But 8×3.0 speed is enough to match a card in a 16×2.0 slot, meaning a mobo with 3.0 lanes and a 1×16 maximum configuration won't have any performance loss. (Well, as long as you don't try to triple-SLI.)
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... hmm i honestly can't tell IF that effectively would affect the FPS in benchmarks/games -
but i will find out, thanks again for pointing this out
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now that i read more carefully as i initially found no "game effective differences"
and i couldn't find anything more relevant than this * highlighted parts in pic (CPU "adds"/handles 16 x 3.0 lanes)
still you're right about not settling for H110, even though there's enough lanes with that setup
and the gaming performance wouldn't be affected ... that's a load of features to have "for any case"
or am i still missing something?
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Happy to be shouted down but iirc 110 has 3.0 x16 for the graphics and 2.0 for the rest for... reasons I can't even. For some reason the ARK site only seems to list the additional PCI-E lanes beyond the graphics slot. But it's late and I might be wrong.
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the H110 is really limited tbh, it was designed to be bottom budget office PCs, consider at least a B150 if you are going for the 6700k
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Ya, I can see what you're saying there XD I myself probably would have gone with the Godlike (? I think that's the name XP I have only made 2 builds with this gen of CPUs so far).
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he meant "consumer mainstream" cpu's for sure :D ...
wouldn't consider LGA 2011 or XEON as consumer ones
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If I had the money, I'd slap a couple of the latest Xeons in a Mobo with two of the latest Quadros and 128 gigs of RAM X"D would it be OP and pointless as all hell, but hey, I'm sure I'd win any "my computer is better than your's" argument X"D
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Hmmm, well, it's a decent build, that's for sure. I'd keep the CPU for sure as it'll keep good for a number of years and upgrades. I can't honestly complain about anything on here, except maybe suggest go 1070 for the GPU if you can afford it. But ya, Other than that it's a great build that I would imagine would be able to easily play all modern games with a smooth 60fps, and probably even get some VR on it if you decide to jump on that bandwagon.
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Yup the GTX 1070 would be awesome, but unfortunately it costs a whooping 466€ / 518$ :-D
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in the US most probably - but here a decent GTX 1060 costs roughly the same as a i7 6700
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_> I bought a 5960x which is more than any Consumer CPU out there (minus the Titan series), and I don't regret it. Does wonders for my content creation.
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oh ... what a beast that 5960x is
also costs new 1200$ in EU :D
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Yup, my computer cost a total of $5k but my YouTube network covered it for a project I worked on for them XD so I got a major break in that~
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Well, lowering the mobo doesn't seem like a good idea honestly.
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love when someone asks for advice so then they proceed to ignore all my adivences, feel ya brah.
I say make it follow trough on his silly descicion of the i7, make him buy at least a B150 Motherboard, its just going to have a better experiece with that CPU too, the Gigabyte B150DH3 is miles better than any H110 and its not that more expensive.
graphics card, anyone more sensible would save 100$ on that CPU and put it on the GPU and go for a GTX1070, but if theres no other choice that 1060 should do fine.
Appart from that all seems pretty good stuff, good luck.
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finally decided on after checking a ton of products ... was too fixated on 3 years warranty
but i'd rather see good reviews for obvious reasons ... on the motherboard instead :
going with a B150 motherboard had good to great ratings everywhere (amazon.com/newegg/...)
in comparison to A LOT of ASUS/ASRock ones with H170 even Z170
edit: ay not lmao ... that's exactly the board you recommended ... i just copy pasted "Gigabyte B150DH3" once but it didn't pop up in my "cheapest to buy search engine of choice" so i didn't check on it until i looked through tons of H170/Z170 and B150's
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Good choice. The B150 is business level, but it has features that make it suitable for gaming, if needed.
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aye .... hope that system won't crash too many times and require require messing around in the BIOS ... (as he's not a very exp. user) - what it will surely require are Bios Updates if it does, at least Gigabyte is one of the easiest one to update + with that dual bios thingy fool proof (saved his previous pc i had built with a GB motherboard previously)
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BIOS auto update and double chips are fairly standard. Updating an ASUS or ASRock or MSI board is about as complex as Gigabyte's methods. :) Ever since UEFI become widespread, setting up the hardware is also super easy. Just don't forget to turn fast boot off until you are finished installing the OS…
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Mmm, except for the obvious "an i5 is enough", I would recommend the EVGA GTX 1060 instead of the Asus one if he's going Nvidia, it looks like he can get slightly better specs and cooling for just 10€ more.
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yup absolutely ... if it weren't for the "smaller" design (yeah just the looks of it) i would've put my sight
on that one first, will probably choose one with 2 fans slapped on it as long it has 3y warranty
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An i7 for gaming is definitly overkill in my opinion. There's no reason to take one unless you are doing other stuff that requires it. Kind of stupid of him not to listen to you.
I'm not a huge hardware expert, but the PSU is something you also don't want to cheap out on. That PSU looks a bit cheap to me. Maybe it's good, I don't know, but that's something I would look at if I were you. I personally got one for 90 euro (550 W I think, but top quality, don't remember which one though).
Also, if he asked for advise and then just totally ignores that advise, it seems kind of pointless to ask for advise in the first place...
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Yeah PSU is important ... and be quiet with most of its products is a good brand and "above average" price for 550W and 87% efficiency. Its not as if an i7 would drop a few fps more than a simple i5 6500 ... but never mind that when you could
get a much higher FPS by throwing more cash at a GTX 1070 instead lol.
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Get bigger PSU. 600W atleast,maybe even bigger than that. GPU that big will be power hungry as hell. Keep in mind that power reqs. manufacturer gives are JUST to run certain piece of hardware. Put some load on that GPU and it will start to strangle your PSU. Experienced this first hand for myself.
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Yeah 600W would be fine too, but it already has 40% more Wattage than it would require to run the stuff all at once. Even if i threw in a better a GPU (GTX 1070), PCIe Soundcard, DVD Drive and more active USB Ports it still would have 26% overhead.
Picking a more powerful one than 600W however would be a likely a waste, as the PSU's
don't run as efficient when not "properly utilized" below ~50% or something ...
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Hi,
been some time since i build a PeeCee, so i thought i'd post the config here and get some advice:
Naturally i tried to buy the best bang for the buck to save him some money (mainly by picking quality parts+assembly).
Couldn't change his mind on the i7 ... told him twice in full detail, not to waste money on it and settle
for a i5 4590+1150mobo. Which i acquired used on a decent motherboard with bills/warranty (1y) ...
for only 130€ - don't really care, i'll most prob will build a secondary PC with it.
Cooler - bought it "used" checked had everything even thermal paste ... great
SSD - bought "used" (2hrs) was from an upgrade to 256 GB, tested it extensively for errors ... great
HDD - had it for 3 years as backup one ... alright
1. Any improvements that come to your mind or suggestions?
Will add some GA soon.:
GA1: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ma78r/brothers-a-tale-of-two-sons
GA2: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/UU9Ga/read-only-memories
GA3: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Vl1r2/hitogata-happa
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